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Tune Req: Perth Glovers March

02 Oct 06 - 03:29 PM (#1848548)
Subject: Tune Req: Perth Glovers March
From: Ian Burdon

Can anyone point me in the direction of the dots for the Perth Glovers March?

Thanks

Ian


02 Oct 06 - 05:01 PM (#1848644)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Perth Glovers March
From: GUEST

"There is still a tune known as the 'Perth Glovers' March,' said to have been heard in 1559; and if this is genuine, it may be looked upon as the oldest dance music in Scotland. When Charles I. was in Perth, in July 1633, he was entertained by a sword dance performed by thirteen of the company of Glovers, perhaps to the tune named above; they wore green caps and silver strings and ribbons, and white shoes with bells about their legs, so it was, perhaps, a kind of Morris dance. At any rate, they danced with many difficult knots and 'alla fallagessa.'"

from

memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?ammem/musdi:@field(DOCID+@lit(M07724))


02 Oct 06 - 05:15 PM (#1848652)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Perth Glovers March
From: GUEST,Jack Campin

I can't see an identifiable source for that passage. Anyone know where Mrs Grove got it?

There's no Glover's March or Perth Glover's March in Gore's index.


02 Oct 06 - 05:22 PM (#1848657)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Perth Glovers March
From: Q (Frank Staplin)

Tune lost or guessed at?


02 Oct 06 - 05:37 PM (#1848668)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Perth Glovers March
From: Peace

155. "Varia atque breviora: The Perth Glovers." Journal of the English Folk Dance and Song Society. Vol. 3 (Dec. 1937), no. 2, pp. 153-54.

Comments on surviving costume from the glovers' dance of Perth.

156. Wood, Melusine. "Some Notes on Trade Tools and Ritual Dance." Journal of the English Folk Dance and Song Society. Vol. 4 (Dec. 1945), no. 6, pp. 247-53.

Begins with a description of the Perth glovers' dance of 1633. Speculates about tools of different trades as originals of sword dance and rapper implements. (Reprinted in Allsop, Longsword Dances).

157. Wood, Melusine. "Varia atque breviora: Bells and Rapper at Perth." Journal of the English Folk Dance and Song Society. Vol. 3 (Dec. 1936), no. 1, p. 79.

Comments on evidence concerning the dance of the Perth glovers' guild.

from

www.efdss.org/sword.htm


02 Oct 06 - 07:03 PM (#1848745)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Perth Glovers March
From: Malcolm Douglas

No tune is given with the Journal pieces cited above.


02 Oct 06 - 07:44 PM (#1848785)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Perth Glovers March
From: GUEST

Right, Malcolm. Was just to indicate that other sources had at least mentioned the song. I was going to write that but was interrupted by a fire call.


02 Oct 06 - 08:44 PM (#1848845)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Perth Glovers March
From: masato sakurai

GUEST's quotation above is from Dancing, by Mrs_ Lilly Grove (Longmans , Green and Co., 1907), p. 196.


02 Oct 06 - 09:13 PM (#1848867)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Perth Glovers March
From: Q (Frank Staplin)

The 1st ed. of "Dancing," by Grove, is 1895; no earlier ed.
Apparently the tune has not been preserved.


02 Oct 06 - 09:48 PM (#1848883)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Perth Glovers March
From: GUEST

'"Sword dance and Hieland Danses" were included at a reception for Anne of Denmark at Edinburgh in 1589 (6) and a mixture of sword dance and acrobatics was performed before [[James VI]] in 1617 (New Statistical Account of Scotland Edinb. 1845 x, pp. 44-45) and again for Charles I in 1633, by the Incorporation of Skinners and [[Glovers]] of [[Perth]], "his Majesty's chair being set upon the wall next to the Water of Tay whereupon was a floating stage of timber clad about with birks, upon the which for his Majesty's welcome and entry thirteen of our brethren of this calling of Glovers with green caps, silver strings, red ribbons, white shoes and bells upon their legs, shearing rapiers in their hands and all other abulzements, danced our sword dance with many difficult knots and allapallajesse, five being under and five above upon their shoulders, three of them dancing through their feet and about them, drinking wine and breaking glasses. Which (God be praised) was acted and done without hurt or skaith to any."'

from a google of

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03 Oct 06 - 06:52 AM (#1849102)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Perth Glovers March
From: manitas_at_work

I just asked Colin Messer of North British Sword about this. Andrew Kennedy, their leader, has recreated the dance. Here's Colin's reply:

"When I looked into this some years ago googling gave references to a Perth Glovers March, but I've never found the music. There is no record of the music played for the sword dance. We use a Scottish Buttered Peas that to my ear is completely different to the English Buttered Peas."

I don't know if this means he didn't search the archives or not.


03 Oct 06 - 08:03 AM (#1849123)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Perth Glovers March
From: Ian Burdon

Many thanks for the posts so far. I had done the Googling but reckoned that if anyone would know where to find the music it would be someone here.

Ian