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Joe Hill song (not the usual one)

13 Feb 99 - 05:22 AM (#58405)
Subject: Joe Hill song (not the usual one)
From:

Last night in a folk club I heard a wonderful song about Joe Hill. It's not the usual one - 'I thought I saw . . .' etc.. The singer didn't know noticed in another thread that some folks are con


13 Feb 99 - 05:32 AM (#58406)
Subject: RE: Joe Hill song (not the usual one)
From: Joe Offer

If you put [Joe Hill] in square brackets in the search box on this page, you'll find a lot. I'm thinking it might be the song about Joe's Hill's last will that you heard.
-Joe Offer-


13 Feb 99 - 12:12 PM (#58426)
Subject: RE: Joe Hill song (not the usual one)
From: Big Mick

If you don't find what you are looking for using the search engine, drop me a line at mlane@accn.org and I can probably help you.

Mick


13 Feb 99 - 01:53 PM (#58439)
Subject: RE: Joe Hill song (not the usual one)
From: Ian HP

Thanks, Joe, I did that, but the song isn't on DT. I can't remember the words, but the description of the song's meaning is above.


13 Feb 99 - 02:15 PM (#58441)
Subject: RE: Joe Hill song (not the usual one)
From: Barbara

Ian, check out your "description above". You might want to repost it. The Mudcat has been hungry recently is eating the ends of people's posts.
Blessings,
Barbara


13 Feb 99 - 02:34 PM (#58445)
Subject: RE: Joe Hill song (not the usual one)
From: rick fielding

If "Joe Hill's Will" is not the song in question, I urge folks to hear it. The tune (by Ruth Rubin I think) is wonderful, and Joe Hickerson's recording of it on Folk-Legacy still gives me the chills!


13 Feb 99 - 11:47 PM (#58507)
Subject: RE: Joe Hill song (not the usual one)
From: Nathan Sarvis

Woody Guthrie wrote one called "Joe Hillstrom". Fourteen verses telling of the events leading up to his execution. Could that be the one you're looking for?


14 Feb 99 - 01:52 AM (#58517)
Subject: RE: Joe Hill song (not the usual one)
From: Rick Fielding

Wouldn't be the Phil Ochs one would it? To the tune of "John Hardy".


14 Feb 99 - 02:55 AM (#58522)
Subject: RE: Joe Hill song (not the usual one)
From: Gene

Check - * HERE *


14 Feb 99 - 04:32 AM (#58523)
Subject: RE: Joe Hill song (not the usual one)
From: Ian HP

Thanks, folks, but it is none of the songs you have mentioned or directed me towards. As I remember it, it has the imagery of walking through a forest, and it is as if Joe Hill's character has been absorbed into nature. It is not an overtly political song. I don't think anyone who didn't know of Joe Hill would learn anything about him from it. It is, though, a beautiful song. The person I heard it from said his wife taped it from a radio broadcast of a Roy Bailey gig, if that's any help.


16 Feb 99 - 12:08 PM (#58832)
Subject: RE: Joe Hill song (not the usual one)
From: rick fielding

Ian, Roy Bailey just sent me the words to the "Joe Hill song", but I'm not sure if you still need them. Let me know and I'll re-type them here. I know there's an easier way to do this on computer, but my wife's not here to show me how!


18 Feb 99 - 03:39 AM (#59085)
Subject: RE: Joe Hill song (not the usual one)
From: Jon Bartlett

I can't tell from this thread what the song is - but I thought I'd pass it along that "Joe Hill's Will" (by Joe Hill) was collected orally by Phil Thomas in northern British Columbia, as a recitation, in the early '70's. The informant was sure that Joe Hill himself had been present at the building of the line (the Grand Trunk Pacific, c. 1914). He had, after all, been preent down south in the Fraser valley when he wrote "Where the Fraser River Flows".


18 Feb 99 - 10:25 PM (#59222)
Subject: RE: Joe Hill song (not the usual one)
From: Susan A-R

Received an entire recording of Joe Hill songs/stories from my husband, but same husband has put it away somewhere (sorry to say he's better at putting things back than I amO and can't lay my hands on it. When I get a chance, I'll forward title/label, etc.

Susan


22 Feb 99 - 01:59 AM (#59539)
Subject: RE: Joe Hill song (not the usual one)
From: Joe Offer

There are several songs about Joe Hill at Manfred J. Helfert's excellent History In Song (clickclickclick) site. Don't think the site has the song Ian is looking for, and I don't know if it has any songs that aren't already in our database. The songs are presented very nicely, though, and the background information is excellent.
Rick, Rick, Rick - How are we going to go about make you computer-literate? It's a little tough to talk you through the process from here. If that wife of yours can't teach you, I'd be willing to try. But yes, I think there are several of us who would be interested in seeing the song. You will note that I rarely type lyrics for the database myself. My basic function here is to shame others into providing information. I think I do that quite well....
-Joe Offer-


22 Feb 99 - 11:48 AM (#59582)
Subject: RE: Joe Hill song (not the usual one)
From: rick fielding

Joe, Joe, Joe! Your ability to shame someone into action is second only to Catspaw's and for all I know he may be huge and frightening. (you too, actually) I'm trying to learn the computer as fast as I can, but there's so much of it! I still get at least one surprise a day. The latest: Trying to find some info on figure skater Ocsana Baiol (the tiny Russian orphan) I was confronted with: BEAUTIFUL RUSSIAN GIRLS WHO WANT TO MARRY YOU! Three hours later when I managed to escape from that hell, (none of them were looking for a married folksinger) they got me again with:KATERINA WITT..ON THE ICE, IN THE WOODS!

I'm learning Joe. Hoo-Boy am I learning!


22 Feb 99 - 03:36 PM (#59634)
Subject: RE: Joe Hill song (not the usual one)
From: Philippa

Joe, thanks for that History in Song site; I know where I'm going on the web next time I can't get through to the Mudcat Caf‚!


22 Feb 99 - 05:12 PM (#59642)
Subject: RE: Joe Hill song (not the usual one)
From: Sandy Paton

Has anyone checked out the recent Billy Bragg song about Joe Hill, possibly based on a Woody Guthrie poem? I've heard about it, but I've yet to hear it. It might be the one that was recently played.

By the way, the tune most of us know for "Joe Hill's Will" was written by Ethel Raim, not Ruth Rubin, and has been recorded by both Jonathan Eberhart and Joe Hickerson for Folk-Legacy. Wonderful tune, too!

Sandy


22 Feb 99 - 06:00 PM (#59652)
Subject: RE: Joe Hill song (not the usual one)
From: Teresa

Yes, Sandy--the Billy Bragg song is on an excellent recording: Don't Mourn; Organize!: the Songs of Joe Hill. The tune is from Woody Guthrie's song about Tom Joad (sorry; forgot how to spell that.) Cheers, Teresa


23 Feb 99 - 03:48 PM (#59865)
Subject: RE: Joe Hill song (not the usual one)
From: Ian HP

Rick, thanks for the posting, which I have just seen. No, I do not yet have the words and yes, I would still like them. Ta!


24 Feb 99 - 01:07 PM (#60018)
Subject: RE: Joe Hill song (not the usual one)
From: Big Mick

Hey Ian,

I have not forgot ye, lad. This day job is just killing me lately, and I have not been able to find it. I am on the trail though. I have gone through a number of my books and have a few to go. I am trying to dig through my collection of "The Little Red Songbook". These are published by the Industrial Workers of the World, more commonly known as the Wobblies. Hill was a wobblie organizer, and as we all no it appears he was shot more because of that than the offficial charge. It would help me somewhat if I knew about what era the song is.

All the best,

Mick


24 Feb 99 - 01:40 PM (#60034)
Subject: RE: Joe Hill song (not the usual one)
From: Ian HP

Mick, I am sorry I can't help you with the era. All I know is what is above: that it has nature imagery and that Roy Bailey used to do it live (I don't know if he ever recorded it).


25 Feb 99 - 12:18 AM (#60127)
Subject: RE: Joe Hill song (not the usual one)
From: Sandy Paton

Might just note that Woody Guthrie used the tune of the traditional "John Hardy" for his song about Tom Joad. I understand that Woody hadn't read Grapes of Wrath, just saw the movie, which was one of the truly great ones.


27 Feb 99 - 05:53 AM (#60564)
Subject: RE: Joe Hill song (not the usual one)
From: Ian HP

Mick, any news yet?


27 Feb 99 - 09:28 AM (#60582)
Subject: RE: Joe Hill song (not the usual one)
From: Big Mick

Not yet, my friend, but I am going to call the Wobblies in on it next.

Mick


04 Mar 99 - 07:50 PM (#61327)
Subject: RE: Joe Hill song (not the usual one)
From: Ian HP

Mick, are you there . . . ?


26 Jul 04 - 08:22 PM (#1234346)
Subject: RE: Joe Hill song (not the usual one)
From: GUEST,rtstaf@yah00.com

I'm interested in learning to play the W. Guthrie song Joe Hillstrom, the lyrics of which I can easily find, but the melody of which seems slightly more obscure. Any tips on where I can find a snippet, a MIDI, some sheet music, or the like?


27 Jul 04 - 11:20 AM (#1234799)
Subject: RE: Joe Hill song (not the usual one)
From: GUEST,woodsie

Here's the lyric to Phil Ochs song Joe Hill

Pure excellence from the master!


27 Jan 13 - 11:48 AM (#3472068)
Subject: RE: Joe Hill song (not the usual one)
From: GUEST

http://sniff.numachi.com/pages/tiJOHIWILL;ttJOHIWILL.html