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12 Nov 05 - 11:13 PM (#1603427)
Subject: BS: Michael Moore...a phony!!
From: GUEST,Martin Gibson

Michael Moore
owns Halliburton!
Posted: November 1, 2005
10:23 p.m. Eastern


2005 WorldNetDaily.com


Michael Moore

"I don't own a single share of stock!" filmmaker Michael Moore proudly proclaimed.

He's right. He doesn't own a single share. He owns tens of thousands of shares including nearly 2,000 shares of Boeing, nearly 1,000 of Sonoco, more than 4,000 of Best Foods, more than 3,000 of Eli Lilly, more than 8,000 of Bank One and more than 2,000 of Halliburton, the company most vilified by Moore in "Fahrenheit 9/11."


12 Nov 05 - 11:16 PM (#1603431)
Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore...a phony!!
From: number 6

Yeah I heard that, and they aren't part of mutual fund either .... ya can't trust anyone anymore ... we live in the 'age of the lie'.

sIx


12 Nov 05 - 11:16 PM (#1603432)
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From: Peace

Martin,

Quote a creditable news sourse, will ya? Friggin' comics I can get in a second-hand store.


12 Nov 05 - 11:19 PM (#1603434)
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From: bobad

Jesus saves....shit disturbers invest!


12 Nov 05 - 11:22 PM (#1603436)
Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore...a phony!!
From: number 6

Another exagerated scenario that disturbs me about Moore are his scenes in Bowling for Columbine about Canada ... it was baloney, especially about no one locking their doors .... sorry, when we lived in Toronto we certainly locked our doors ... we were broken into twice, so were all are neigbours on our street ... in fact violent street shootings are a concern back in T.O. now .... hell, even here in friendly little 'ol Saint John I have an alarm system to keep the crack addicts from breaking in.

sIx


12 Nov 05 - 11:24 PM (#1603437)
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From: number 6

Apparently is true Peace.

sIx


12 Nov 05 - 11:28 PM (#1603440)
Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore...a phony!!
From: Peace

I visited the WorldNetDaily.com site. Looks like The Midnight or National Enquirer. However, Michael Moore doesn't speak for me anyway.


12 Nov 05 - 11:28 PM (#1603441)
Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore...a phony!!
From: pdq

Heck, guys, what did you expect him to do with the $100 million he made from the Bush-bash movie, feed the poor?


12 Nov 05 - 11:30 PM (#1603442)
Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore...a phony!!
From: pdq

Besides, Michael Moore is a genius. Invented a whole new category of entertainment: Docufiction.


12 Nov 05 - 11:32 PM (#1603443)
Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore...a phony!!
From: Peace

Between him and the White House, they have THAT market tied up.


12 Nov 05 - 11:33 PM (#1603444)
Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore...a phony!!
From: bobad

Not to mention Martin and his brilliant musicianship which no one can get to hear.


12 Nov 05 - 11:42 PM (#1603449)
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From: GUEST,Buffy

Yeah, and he liiks loke a tub of shit with legs.


12 Nov 05 - 11:44 PM (#1603452)
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From: number 6

HuH ?!?!?!

sIx


12 Nov 05 - 11:47 PM (#1603456)
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From: number 6

"Docufiction." ... I like that ... good one pdq.

sIx


12 Nov 05 - 11:49 PM (#1603461)
Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore...a phony!!
From: bobad

Someone get Buffy another drink.


12 Nov 05 - 11:49 PM (#1603462)
Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore...a phony!!
From: pdq

Sorry, Peace (in our time) but the White House has nothing to do with Docufiction. Moore's patent doesn't run out for another 20 years.


13 Nov 05 - 12:10 AM (#1603479)
Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore...a phony!!
From: pdq

sIx,

Hate to tell you this, ol' buddy, but that is the term used by the entertainment industry to describe what Moore does: mix truth and fiction until the line between them is obliterated. I make up stuff for the purpose of humor quit often, but I did not come up with this one. There really a new category and it really is credited to Michael Moore.


13 Nov 05 - 12:17 AM (#1603483)
Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore...a phony!!
From: bobad

Yeah pdq you really do make humor quit often.


13 Nov 05 - 12:21 AM (#1603485)
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From: Ebbie

It is not quite as simple and blatant as The WorldNet scandal sheet would have it. They evidently took material from Peter Schweizer's book and put their own spin on it.

Basically what Schweizer says about Michael Moore's stock ownership is that in order to protect the money he has made he has formed a foundation; the foundation in turn has bought stock, including in Halliburton. A stockbroker's first duty is to diversify, and I can easily believe that a broker will buy stocks that are pegged to keep climbing in value. If ethics were not an issue, you can't beat the current desirability of war materiel and all of its accompanying support systems. Same is true of pharmaceuticals and a half dozen other thngs. Moore may quite legitimately feel that he doesn't own stock and doesn't dabble in the stock market, even if he has authorized his brokers to use their own judgment.

Then Schweizer makes the claim that Michael Moore is racist because "Moore almost never hires black people." But that is not what racism is. If he hires SOME African Americans, it is up to the accuser to prove his point.

He also claims that 'conservative hypocrites' and their families are hurt when their inconsistencies are discovered by the media. 'Liberal hypocrites', on the other hand, he says, have a different experience. "When the liberal-left abandon their principles and become hypocrites," he says, "they actually improve their lives. Their kids end up in better schools, they have more money, and their families are more content."   With that, I think he is actually telling us that conservatives' kids do end up in better schools, that the conservatives do have more money and their families are more content. He doesn't address the question of whether conservatives and liberals alike should apply ethics in attempting to make life more equitable in a society.

Some People Won't Read This


13 Nov 05 - 12:21 AM (#1603487)
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From: Peace

Peas
LOL


13 Nov 05 - 12:22 AM (#1603488)
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From: Stilly River Sage

Another aspect of this genre is called Creative Nonfiction. It's considered quite a credible source of information these days.

Just so you know.

SRS


13 Nov 05 - 12:23 AM (#1603489)
Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore...a phony!!
From: Stephen L. Rich

So he's a phony. Why is everybody acting so surprised about it? People who push thier political agendas that hard are usually missing or hiding, at least, half the truth.

Stephen Lee


13 Nov 05 - 12:24 AM (#1603490)
Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore...a phony!!
From: bobad

Maybe he owns the stocks so that he can get into the shareholder's meetings and raise a little hell.


13 Nov 05 - 12:38 AM (#1603494)
Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore...a phony!!
From: GUEST,Martin Gibson

Michael Moore is a big, fat liar.

I love truth.


13 Nov 05 - 12:40 AM (#1603497)
Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore...a phony!!
From: Peace

Well then, love this, Martin.

I think you'll find that Moore--while being just a tad devious--doesn't personally own any stock. You might find, if you dig a bit, that he and his wife have a non-profit organization that DOES.


13 Nov 05 - 01:08 AM (#1603518)
Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore...a phony!!
From: GUEST,Buffy

Moore is a tub of shit with legs.


13 Nov 05 - 01:11 AM (#1603523)
Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore...a phony!!
From: GUEST

You talk about blow and zipper and ass very often. What do you really want here, Gibson.


13 Nov 05 - 01:13 AM (#1603527)
Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore...a phony!!
From: GUEST,Martin Gibson

To make Mudcat a fair and balanced forum.


13 Nov 05 - 01:14 AM (#1603529)
Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore...a phony!!
From: Peace

"Oh, blow it out your ass, Peace. He should sit on your face on a hot summer night."

Jeeze, just when I was getting to like you, too.


13 Nov 05 - 01:15 AM (#1603531)
Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore...a phony!!
From: Peace

"To make Mudcat a fair and balanced forum."

Oh, blow it out your ass, Marty.


13 Nov 05 - 01:20 AM (#1603536)
Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore...a phony!!
From: Clinton Hammond

There's a shock... Martin Gibson can't tell fact from fiction...


13 Nov 05 - 01:20 AM (#1603538)
Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore...a phony!!
From: Peace

Well, Marty, you be polite with me and I will be polite with you. You started with the shit. I will finish. Always been that way for me, pal. So you have the choice--back off or fuck off. Your call, hotshot.


13 Nov 05 - 01:23 AM (#1603543)
Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore...a phony!!
From: Peace

OK, then. Martin, fuck you for good.


13 Nov 05 - 01:26 AM (#1603550)
Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore...a phony!!
From: Peace

No. You just lost the only person who ever stuck up for you on the Mudcat. You just let me know what kind of person you really are.

Bruce Murdoch


13 Nov 05 - 01:28 AM (#1603552)
Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore...a phony!!
From: Amos

Martin:

Your real trouble is you don't know the difference between the two.

A


13 Nov 05 - 09:23 AM (#1603700)
Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore...a phony!!
From: number 6

Actually ... I think the subject of this thread is interesting ... too bad it has drifted into this rabble.

sIx


13 Nov 05 - 09:44 AM (#1603711)
Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore...a phony!!
From: Donuel

Even I wrote here of my remorse in NOT buying Halliburton stock after Cheney made 14 million dollars on his options this year ( mostly from Katrina contracts).


13 Nov 05 - 09:49 AM (#1603715)
Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore...a phony!!
From: number 6

The info regarding his stock ownership as mentioned in the book by Peter Schweizer "Do As I Say (Not As I Do): Profiles in Liberal Hypocrisy." is supposidly sourced from Moore's own signed Schedule D declaring his capital gains and losses where his stock ownership .... how Schweizer obtained this info is unclear .... I dunno, I watch Moores Website to see what his defense is.

sIx


13 Nov 05 - 11:23 AM (#1603778)
Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore...a phony!!
From: Clinton Hammond

So now you're doing your typical cowardly backpedalling....

"Oh, I was only joking"

Ya... whatever MG... if yer gonna pretend to be a bad-ass mo-fo, at least have the stones to own it...


13 Nov 05 - 11:29 AM (#1603783)
Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore...a phony!!
From: GUEST,Guest

Blah, blah, blah, another boring Martin Gibson ad hominem tirade. What else is new?

He may skillfully weave facts together to paint a picture. But has anyone ever caught MM in an outright lie? OTOH, the Busheviks and their cheerleaders lie routinely. And dare anyone call them on it, they shout over the opponenets, cut off their calls or questions and once again repeat the bogus mantra of "Liberal media control." Blah, blah, blah...


13 Nov 05 - 11:49 AM (#1603794)
Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore...a phony!!
From: McGrath of Harlow

Didn't ** swear he was leaving us for good? Promises, promises...

Proverbs 26:11 seems an appropriate text. (And that link gives eight versions of it.)


13 Nov 05 - 02:49 PM (#1603910)
Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore...a phony!!
From: Amos

Our loss, Martin. You're wrong about PEace AND you're wrong about Michael Moore, who is much less of a phony than you yourself are.

Go be wrong somewhere else. It might get you interested in music.

A


13 Nov 05 - 05:12 PM (#1604018)
Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore...a phony!!
From: GUEST

Who's Michael Moore?

Seriously - Is it someone important or someone from America?

:D


13 Nov 05 - 08:27 PM (#1604156)
Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore...a phony!!
From: GUEST

I hope ya all realize you sound like a bunch of old coots arguing in a small town barber shop.


13 Nov 05 - 08:30 PM (#1604158)
Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore...a phony!!
From: Peace

I had cooties once. Anybody want to hear the story?


13 Nov 05 - 08:34 PM (#1604161)
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From: kendall

I'd be suspicious of ANY list that had only liberals on it.

G.W. Bush is the ultimate phony. The only thing he ever succeeded at is the moral and financial ruin of this country.


13 Nov 05 - 08:36 PM (#1604162)
Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore...a phony!!
From: Peace

I don't think you can say that and mean it, Kendall. Halliburton is doing VERY well.


13 Nov 05 - 08:47 PM (#1604173)
Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore...a phony!!
From: GUEST,Martin Gibson

No, amos you are wrong. He is fat, a slob, and he owns plenty of Haliburton stock. He is Michael Moore, spokesman for the left and as phony as can be.

Anyone who posts a thousand times to his own thread probably should have his head examined. Just think how much more time you could spend on music if you weren't so obsessed with being so radically left winged.

Hi Peace. Shalom.


13 Nov 05 - 09:04 PM (#1604189)
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From: Peace

Shalom, Martin.


13 Nov 05 - 09:47 PM (#1604207)
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From: pdq

Aaah. Was that a Hallmark moment or what?


13 Nov 05 - 10:17 PM (#1604227)
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From: Peace

"I like to believe that people in the long run are going to do more to promote peace than our governments. Indeed, I think that people want peace so much that one of these days governments had better get out of the way and let them have it."

Dwight D. Eisenhower


14 Nov 05 - 01:57 PM (#1604788)
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From: Amos

Excellent remark, Mister Eisenhower.

A.


14 Nov 05 - 02:02 PM (#1604794)
Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore...a phony!!
From: kendall

It aint government that is in the way, it's greedy fat cats who control out supply of oil. 25 billion dollars in one quarter in profits!
And, Senator Stevens from Alaska in charge of the Senate panel who were trying to get the truth out of the oil magnates decreeing that each Senator only had 5 minutes to question the pigs!

I say vote AGAINST all incumbents! The republicans are ruining the country and the democrats are watching them do it, afraid to speak out for fear of being labeled anti American.


14 Nov 05 - 02:24 PM (#1604824)
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From: beardedbruce

"I say vote AGAINST all incumbents!"


Now, this I can agree with.


14 Nov 05 - 02:25 PM (#1604826)
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From: GUEST

I don't know if he's a phoney but I have always felt that he is a "fake" and that the films are really about him and not the causes he claims to champion. Guess he's just anothet stupid white man.


14 Nov 05 - 02:52 PM (#1604852)
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From: number 6

'Guess he's just anothet stupid white man.'

That about sums him up Guest!

I can appreciate Moore investing ... but attacking a company such Haliburton, the flagship of Dr. Evil (Cheney) himself and then taking advantage of the profits of it, that I find is unacceptable and blatantly hypocritcal.

sIx


14 Nov 05 - 02:54 PM (#1604856)
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From: beardedbruce

"I am shocked- shocked- to find that gambling is going on here!"






Casablanca


14 Nov 05 - 02:59 PM (#1604862)
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From: number 6

' I came to Casablanca for the waters. '



'The waters? What waters? We're in the desert. '



'I was misinformed. '


sIx


14 Nov 05 - 03:13 PM (#1604872)
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From: Amos

I respect Michael Moore for one thing above others: when the whole country was swarming with the buglike echoes of the Bush Gangsta Line on WMDs and everyone was slapping "patriotism" stickers on their foreheads, Michael Moore stood up and pointed out succinctly that not only did the emperor have no clothes, he also had no conscience and no integrity.

He broke a logjam of unexpressed worry that was widespread but suppressed among thousands of thinking citizens who saw the contradictions but could not find a focal point to communicate what they saw.

At that time, in that context, he was a moral voice in a jungle of opportunistic compromises and immoral war-mongering.

He deserves a vote of thanks for that.

A

If he has a non-profit foundation that has invested in Hallburton, it is perfectly possible that he is not making those decisions himself. NFP organizations often have their own boards and their investments are often made by even more removed decisionmakers in the invenstment communioty. Has anyone bothered to isolate the facts around this slander? Or are we just beating drums and dancing around the campfire here?


A


14 Nov 05 - 03:16 PM (#1604875)
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From: beardedbruce

"Has anyone bothered to isolate the facts around this slander? Or are we just beating drums and dancing around the campfire here?"


This phrase may come back to haunt you, Amos....


14 Nov 05 - 03:40 PM (#1604889)
Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore...a phony!!
From: number 6

"I respect Michael Moore for one thing above others: when the whole country was swarming with the buglike echoes of the Bush Gangsta Line on WMDs and everyone was slapping "patriotism" stickers on their foreheads, Michael Moore stood up and pointed out succinctly that not only did the emperor have no clothes, he also had no conscience and no integrity."

I agree Amos, and I thought highly of Moore on his efforts ... but I now question Moore's integrety. I have not heard any defense from Moore yet, but I am waiting.

Investing in Haliburton (for profit) is as immoral as one can get. Don't forget where those profits are coming from. Sorry.

His non-profit organization is listed as his home ... he is close enough, and the ones who are investing for that organization are close enough to understand what is going on.   

I don't beleive one can use which wing you are, as an excuse for immoral hypocracy.

sIx


14 Nov 05 - 03:47 PM (#1604893)
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From: number 6

Beardedbruce .... I like that 'Casablanca gambling' Post ... Moore will probably use that "I was misinformed" excuse, it has worked well with Bush and his cronies so far.

sIx


14 Nov 05 - 04:16 PM (#1604911)
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From: GUEST,Martin Gibson

Amos, you get an A in Denial 101.


14 Nov 05 - 04:47 PM (#1604945)
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From: TheBigPinkLad

Denial runs through Alexandria, not Casablanca.


14 Nov 05 - 05:24 PM (#1604993)
Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore...a phony!!
From: Amos

You know how to whistle, don't you, Martin? Just put your hemorrhoids together and blow.


A


14 Nov 05 - 06:45 PM (#1605048)
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From: GUEST

Denial couldn't get a visa for Alexandria, that's why Denial went to Casablanca.


14 Nov 05 - 07:24 PM (#1605087)
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From: The Fooles Troupe

Marty Toonhead is so far in denial he is in de Mediterranean.


14 Nov 05 - 07:29 PM (#1605091)
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From: The Fooles Troupe

... and hey! Proverbs 26:11 is so appropriate for him, that now I have a mental image to go with his Mudcat name... ROFL!


15 Nov 05 - 04:07 AM (#1605301)
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From: GUEST,noddy

NO! He is real! I saw him on TV.


15 Nov 05 - 10:20 PM (#1606082)
Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore...a phony!!
From: GUEST,Martin Gibson

Stupid, Amos

A terrible comeback. Lame, even. But I love when you come out of your intellectual put-on to show how really low class you are.