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BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....

07 Jan 05 - 11:21 PM (#1374320)
Subject: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Bobert

Seems that Amos and Martin Gibson think each other is a wacho...

Your choice? Pick one (only), please....

Bobert


07 Jan 05 - 11:40 PM (#1374329)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Bill D

is a 'watcho' some sort of Mexican snack that stares at you?

Neither one of them are insane....they have different ummmm....'attitudes'


07 Jan 05 - 11:42 PM (#1374331)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Teresa

Just the sort of discussion I might observe from afar, but *try* to stay out of. :> ;)

Teresa


07 Jan 05 - 11:47 PM (#1374338)
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From: harpgirl

yes


08 Jan 05 - 12:15 AM (#1374355)
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From: GUEST

It's easy to throw the "insane" word around.

Amos is a scholar and a gentleman.

Martin G is an exhibitionistic hothead.


And they are both members of our Mudcat community.


08 Jan 05 - 12:18 AM (#1374359)
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From: The Fooles Troupe

I think I'd prefer to know as a person the one that doesn't always resort to 'potty mouth' behaviour when on a losing streak... As for insanity - I won't say any more, lest I have more of my posts deleted... :P

"Will he who is without windows be the biggest pane"


08 Jan 05 - 01:33 AM (#1374393)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Amos

Gee, thanks for stepping forward, asll you clear minded patriots. Let he who is without neurosis cast the first polysyllabic aspersion.


A


08 Jan 05 - 01:52 AM (#1374403)
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From: Teresa

Ok, I'll bite: ... Amos ;)

T


08 Jan 05 - 02:03 AM (#1374408)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Amos

Teresa:

Could you clarify what you are voting for? Thanks.

Amos


08 Jan 05 - 02:09 AM (#1374410)
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From: Cluin

I think she was just deciding who to bite.


08 Jan 05 - 02:59 AM (#1374421)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Teresa

Ah, insanity. but then again, I'm not too much of a judge, living in a glass house and all. However, it takes one to know one?

As for any other qualities mentioned, if they were ... I'm confused. I don't feel qualified to vote in those areas, whatever they might be. :)

Ah, forget it. I'm in a Scotch haze, and everything I've said should be taken with a large block of salt. Off to bed I go. :)

Well, Amos, you opened up the poetry corner. How could we do without that? :)

Teresa


08 Jan 05 - 03:03 AM (#1374422)
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From: Metchosin

What's the choice Bobert? Do I think Amos and Martin Gibson are wacko or not? Is Amos wacko or is Marin Gibson? Do they "seem" to think each other wacko or do they "really" think each other wacko?

I know which one, if I had the opportunity, I would rather spend time getting to know personally, first, because they spent a great deal of their free time helping me out when I needed it and secondly, because we seem to have some commonality of ideas regarding American politics amongst other things.

I have friends that others may regard as wacko, but I've just viewed them as some of the more interesting, human and approachable of my fellows.


08 Jan 05 - 03:03 AM (#1374423)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Chanteyranger

I think Bobert means for us to take his thread with a grain of salt, right? It does, though, have the potential to hurt the "candidates" if people take this too seriously and start really throwing the wacko term at these guys (and I don't think Bobert means for that to happen). BTW, for whatever it's worth, I've met Amos, and he's a great guy. That's all. I'm out.

Chanteyranger.


08 Jan 05 - 03:10 AM (#1374425)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Teresa

Or ... if you took the s out of the appropriate word in the subject in this thread,it certainly wouldn't be Amos.

Ok, off to bed with me; I've gotten into enough trouble. ;)

Teresa


08 Jan 05 - 03:16 AM (#1374427)
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From: MudGuard

My choice: Bobert.
Proof: this thread ;-)


08 Jan 05 - 11:03 AM (#1374441)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Amos

Well, since both DougR and Martin think I am mentally ill for maintaining the "Popular Views of the Bush Administration" thread, I have reflected on it serriously. And it is true that I have shown bias in that thread. It is harder to find pro-Bush articles, and I haven't posted many. Like two.

On the other hand, I would add that neither DougR nor Martin have posted any qualifying artciles to the thread. They have had rather scurrilous comments, hazings and bashings of a rather uninspoired sort, but no views on the topic as such.

I think the kind of obsessive irrelevancy they have both demonstrated in this wise is a symptom of mental illness, especially when it is accompanied with crude and barbarous potty-mouthisms as in Martin's case.

A


08 Jan 05 - 12:11 PM (#1374448)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: BaldEagle2

Do please Martin Gibson alone, now.

Almost all observers come to the conclusion that Martin lost his religious beliefs a long time ago, and now rants and raves like all others who had faith, and now deny themselves the comfort of the faith that they once had.

One day he will rturn to being the kind and good gentleman he used to be.    You can see signs of this starting to happen when you read any of his threads in the non-B.S. section.

Screaming abuse back at him in this section will not help him in any way, and may actually worsen his condition.

He is a member of our community, and therefore deserves our understanding and our patience.

Amos, on the other hand, has no excuse, and is fair game for tormenting in any way you can think of.


08 Jan 05 - 12:24 PM (#1374452)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: John MacKenzie

I believe Amos to be sanitary, while MG is sometimes extremely insanitary.
Thank you for asking.
Giok


08 Jan 05 - 12:31 PM (#1374457)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Amos

I have to especially thank Bald Eagle 2 for his kind remarks, his compassionate understanding extended to those less fortunate than himself, and his vote of unqualified confidence. He is a true gentleman.

A


08 Jan 05 - 12:37 PM (#1374468)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Áine

Well gee whiz, Bobert. I don't know Martin; but, I do know Amos quite well, and have shared a plate of bean and cheese wachos with him on occasion. Don't know if he's insane or not -- if he is, well, I guess that makes me crazy, too. Oh, we happy band of Mudcatters ;-)

Oh, and please let me know when we get to vote on Most Handsome and Miss Congeniality . . . and don't forget that cheerleader tryouts start on Monday, OK?

All the best, Áine


08 Jan 05 - 12:37 PM (#1374469)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: SINSULL

One definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome. A careful reading of the BS threads will show that we are all guilty not least of all Bobert who refuses to see the outcome of his exchanges with P-Vine when we all know what is going to happen...again!


08 Jan 05 - 12:37 PM (#1374470)
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From: John MacKenzie

Give him back his support when you're finished with it Amos.
Giok (¦¬]>


08 Jan 05 - 12:41 PM (#1374474)
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From: Stilly River Sage

And his typo? Wasn't "leave" omitted from the first line of BE2's post? It renders the rest of the remarks senseless without it.

There has been a glimmer or two from Martin, but they are so few and far between that they are too dilute to amount to much.


08 Jan 05 - 12:42 PM (#1374476)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Dave Swan

Friends, this is not for us to judge, for who among us have not worn our underwear outside our pants, or barked to get the attention of a waitress, or eaten chewing gum off the sidewalk? To say that Amos is 'round the bend because of these behaviors is to minimize a man of talent and integrity.


08 Jan 05 - 12:43 PM (#1374478)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: John MacKenzie

Amos wears underpants?
Giok


08 Jan 05 - 12:53 PM (#1374497)
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From: Jerry Rasmussen

Insanity I can deal with. It's inanity that gets me. Drives me absolutely wacho!

Jerry


08 Jan 05 - 12:57 PM (#1374507)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Amos

Oh, thank you, David! I feel so...so....forgiven!!!. If I ever take them off I will send them to you. Thanks for understanding....(sniff)!


A


08 Jan 05 - 01:12 PM (#1374525)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: DougR

Neither. I think Amos shows signs of obsessive behaviour, but since I am not a qualified psychiatrist or psychologist, what do I know?

Since you introduced the thread creep, though Amos, the reason I have not posted references to counter the arguments you make in your thread that Bush is dumb, ignorant, a liar, a killer of babies, etc., is because it would be a waste of time. I have never looked favorably on those who post articles from magazines, newspapers, or other publications that support their point of view expecting that those who have a different point of view will accept the evidence offered as truth and the last word on any subject. Anyway, were I to expend the effort, it would not convince anyone on the Mudcat to change their POV. As I've already said, waste of time.

DougR


08 Jan 05 - 01:14 PM (#1374528)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Bassic

I think they are both nuts..........as am I, as are most people on here. I am sure it is no coincidence that new members are frequently greeted on their "welcome new catter" threads with phrases like "welcome to the nut house", "leave your sanily at the door" etc etc etc.
I my view, insanity is now a required life skill in the modern world.........cos it sure as hell dont any make real sence to anyone I know! Banning live music from Sam Smith`s pubs........QED!!!!!!! Is it time for the meds yet nurse?


08 Jan 05 - 01:38 PM (#1374547)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Megan L

Hmmmm are they nutters well lets look at the evidence, if you can answer yes to more than one of the following then beware.

Do they hae opinions?
Do they frequent strange sites (anything to do with folk :))?
Do they hae ideas that arny yer own?
do they ever deserve a guid skelp on the lug?

oh heck i'd better stop an book masell intae Cornhill :)


08 Jan 05 - 01:46 PM (#1374554)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Alba

Aye hen thirs twa like us aboot eh!
I dinae ken daft fay mental masel:>) so dinae be booking yersel intae Cornhill jist yet....
Jude ( aff mae heid n' proud o it!!)


08 Jan 05 - 02:19 PM (#1374587)
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From: Rustic Rebel

I don't 'suffer' from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it.

Since I know Amos more than I do Martin, I vote....Myself.


08 Jan 05 - 02:19 PM (#1374588)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: John MacKenzie

Aff yer heid, we used tae dream o' bein' aff wir heids. Whin ah wis a wean the wummin doon the road, hud a season ticket fur Gartnavel so she did. An' Harthill, se yon Harthill dinnae talk tae me aboot thon place, even ra big clock oan the too'er wis wrang.
Giok


08 Jan 05 - 03:50 PM (#1374663)
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From: McGrath of Harlow

"Bush is dumb, ignorant, a liar..." - are any of those things considered controversial? I mean Bush isn'tthe only one like that, but surely that is part of what he does for a living.

Amos has written some pretty good songs. I don't know if that other bloke in the thread heading has that to say for himself.


08 Jan 05 - 03:55 PM (#1374669)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Once Famous

Actually, I did show the bug Amos Bush bashing thread to a friend who is a qualified clinical psychologist who did say upon reading it, or attempting to read most of it, that it was compulsive, repetitive behavior. Serial killers also suffer from the same infliction.

As far as people think I'm crazy for being such a "potty-mouth" (a juvenile term that right away invokes someone who is squeemish and limited in real world experience) I will only say that using profanity is most effectively used in getting your attention as you are so uncomfortable in it's precense.

Doug R. is correct in saying thoughtful response to Amos is really just not worth the time. There is more entertainment value in it for me to do everything opposite. It's more fun to have Amos be my Margaret DuMont.

Finally, in the words of the late, great country singer Waylon Jennings, "I've always been crazy, but it's kept me from going insane."


08 Jan 05 - 04:04 PM (#1374675)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Bert

Amos is a man with a name and gives his opinions openly.

Kay Harmony is of unknown gender and speaks from behind a cloak of anonymity.


08 Jan 05 - 04:14 PM (#1374682)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Once Famous

Amos is also of unknown gender except to Bert, who has first hand apparently seen Amos' genitalia.

As well as Ernie's from behind.


08 Jan 05 - 04:19 PM (#1374690)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Georgiansilver

Who are we to judge? "Let he/she who is without verbal fault cast the first stone" Martin G and Amos are two people with opinions...no more no less! Are you any better/worse?
Best wishes.


08 Jan 05 - 04:21 PM (#1374692)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Amos

Martin:

Each of those posts is about a different subject on the general theme. Each was found at a different point in time. Calling me obsessive for repetitive behavior is indicative that your friend is a fraud -- he would make the same diagnosis of a cowboy who keeps on rounding up cattle over and over again, or a worker on an assembly line, or a weather station operator who obsessively goes out and measures rainfall over and over again, or a surveyor who keeps asking the same questions of people on the street over and over and over. They all must be nuts. I started, and am maintaining, one thread. The thread contains appropriate clippings from the world on one theme over time. The fact that you and your friend try to take this behavior and force-fit it into an inadequately understood definition of a poorly-defined pattern of aberration reflects more on your nuttinesses than on mine.

If you support George Bush, you are going to have to get used to the notion that there is a lot of information out there that disagrees with you. Sorry you don't like it; perhaps you would prefer to bury it in order to be right, but those of us who are honest don't resort to that sort of neurosis.

A


08 Jan 05 - 04:32 PM (#1374705)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Bill D

Martin...I'd LOVE to see what this "qualified clinical psychologist " would say if he were shown a selection of YOUR posts, with their various scatological and insulting references! Might be an eye-opener....then again, he might suddenly become an EX-friend...


08 Jan 05 - 05:34 PM (#1374745)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: GUEST,Dr. B. F. Skinner

Amos quite probably thinks that Martin Gibson is wacko. Martin Gibson has solidly established that he IS wacko. That seems to make it unanimous.

Amos is an intelligent, well read gentleman who is political aware and politically active, calling attention to articles he believes will be of interest to those of all political persuasions who are also politically aware and active. Dedicated, yes. Wacko, no.

At various times, Martin Gibson has claimed that he is an attorney (while displaying a total lack of debating skills other than foul mouthed abuse), a published writer (while demonstrating only rudimentary knowledge of spelling and grammar), employed by a major corporation (a checker at Wal-Mart, perhaps?), and several other things for which he has demonstrated a total lack of aptitude (with the possible exception of that last). Hardly grounded in reality (meaning "wacko").

Now he says he knows a clinical psychologist. That is probably true. But what I wonder is this: how well did Martin Gibson learned to run the maze?


08 Jan 05 - 05:55 PM (#1374759)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: robomatic

I've grown accustomed to his posts.........

I think this forum has kept both of 'em from getting into even MORE trouble on the outside.

Amos is doing exactly what he SHOULD be doing given his point of view. Our boys are risking their lives in foreign climes for just that right (I'm including Afghanistan, I'm not lookin' for a whole new fight, here).

Martin has shown a verbal consistency of approach which can 'butt' endear him to one over time (not that there's anything WRONG with that).

There are plenty of other folk, Bobert included, myself possibly, even, barely, who can be plenty irritable each in his/her own way. There's one guy from the other side of the pond wot is alluz callin' ever'thin' rot, which I found pretty awful until I realized his ineffable curmudgeonly brilliance. He can punch the horse for all time as far as I'm concerned.

"You all look like happy campers to me. Happy campers you are, happy campers you have been, and, as far as I am concerned, happy campers you will always be."


08 Jan 05 - 05:56 PM (#1374761)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Once Famous

Skinner, you are a fucking quack. I have never claimed to be an attorney. I do know a few good ones though. You might need one for impersonating a doctor. You however, do not need one for impersonating a douche bag.

Bill D, big difference is that I just don't take much of it all that seriosuly as our analyzed compulsive friend Amos does. Calling someone a cockbreath when I seriously do mean it can not qualify me as insane.

Someone posting for YEARS a one sided political agenda with such hate or should I say disdain for an American President on a folk music Internet forum beckons to be honored with the compulsive liberal whining award of the year. It's really not a service to anyone except to Amos' own ego.

What if Kerry had won? What would have this meant for Amos? It's very sad in a way, but it gives personalities like Amos a daily will to get through another day, feeling that he has this purpose for his <5 or 6 followers.

I merely shake by head and mutter "loser" under my breath.


08 Jan 05 - 06:00 PM (#1374765)
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From: Little Hawk

I have been looking all over for a totally inane thread today, one that veers shakily from gross insensitivity to hysterical hyperbole, then takes a detour into snide dismissal just before verging into rabid abuse and mutual contempt, amidst accusations of insanity.

Have I found it here? :-)


08 Jan 05 - 06:06 PM (#1374769)
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From: Once Famous

Little Hawk, you are obviously coo-coo for Cocoa Puffs.


08 Jan 05 - 06:09 PM (#1374773)
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From: Little Hawk

Yes, and this forum is very much to blame for that!


08 Jan 05 - 06:10 PM (#1374777)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Amos

Carry on, Martin; by your abuse they shall know ye.

A


08 Jan 05 - 06:13 PM (#1374780)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Bill D

"Calling someone a cockbreath when I seriously do mean it can not qualify me as insane."

...never faintly suggested that you were insane. Suggested that you have a personality problem. Wouldn't waste 10 seconds commenting on someone I thought might be insane.
A few well-known sports stars have recently demonstrated personality problems that got them fined, but I'd hardly call them insane. Howard Stern got taken down a peg or two on commercial TV/radio for excessive nastiness....

...but all THOSE guys used their real names, like Amos & I & Ron Davies & Don Firth do...


08 Jan 05 - 06:21 PM (#1374789)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Once Famous

You and Amos are such real men with a lot more hair on your ass for using your real names Bill D. Buff thing to do, I'm sure.

I in turn prefer to keep my Mudcat life separate from my 3-D life which will allow me to have more fun here. However, for your own satisfaction, I am quite outspoken in real life, also. Please qualify your degree in clinical psychology before you start judging people for your personality analysis.

As I look at the cast of characters here, I see very few "real" names.

Oh yeah, Christopher Guest seems to post here a lot.


08 Jan 05 - 06:40 PM (#1374813)
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From: Bill D

"outspoken in real life.."

by whom?


08 Jan 05 - 06:45 PM (#1374816)
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From: Little Hawk

His wife?


08 Jan 05 - 07:14 PM (#1374848)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Once Famous

No, not her.

I don't like the doghouse or the couch, either.

My professional contemporaries, on the other hand.........................


08 Jan 05 - 07:40 PM (#1374864)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Bill D

" As I look at the cast of characters here, I see very few "real" names."

but 95% of those 'handles' are just that, and can easily be linked to a real person, in necessary.

"I in turn prefer to keep my Mudcat life separate from my 3-D life which will allow me to have more fun here"

why IS it more fun to be obnoxious anonymously? Perhaps 'fun' is a euphemism for 'safer'? In any case, you sure have a curious notion of fun....ask your 'friend' about it.


08 Jan 05 - 09:06 PM (#1374912)
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From: s6k

ah the humour of this thread


08 Jan 05 - 11:25 PM (#1374939)
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From: Once Famous

Bill D. just why is it so important to you?


09 Jan 05 - 02:46 AM (#1375008)
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From: Bert

Why IS it more fun to be obnoxious anonymously...

I don't know that it's a mater of Fun Bill, chickenshit is the word that I would use.


09 Jan 05 - 05:10 AM (#1375017)
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From: John MacKenzie

Whoever started this thread should be sent straight to bed without any supper, as should some of the contributors.
Children, children, play like big boys why don't you!
Giok


09 Jan 05 - 10:18 AM (#1375047)
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From: Megan L

ach john the puir wee laddies couldny play the game at aw wioot each other. mind you theres ane oh them seams suitable fur woodilee.


09 Jan 05 - 10:55 AM (#1375051)
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From: Amos

I think I understand the charges against me. I have borrowed a paragraph from Melville who knows a thing or two about obsession, changing the names to protect the innocent. It seems to me that Gibson's complaint runs along these lines:

The Stupid President swam before him as the monomaniac incarnation of all those malicious agencies which some deep men feel eating in them, till they are left living on with half a heart and half a lung.... All that most maddens and torments; all that stirs up the lees of things; all truth with malice in it...all evil, to crazy Amos, were visibly personified, and made practically assailable in George Bush.

And to this I can respond that although I am not THAT guilty, I am somewhat guilty. My attention returns tot he problem of George Bush over and over. One reason is that his war, started and designed under his control, belonging to him, is chewing up a thousand dollars a second.

More important, though, is that every day, death is stalking the Americans in Iraq, as well as the children. We have laid down the lives of 1100 soldiers in this cause of taking on Saddam's regime on fictitious pretexts. Iraq has now become a battle field between bloodthirsty extremisms, with no clear political prize to be won except possibly a local government that combines the best principles of democracy with a talent for licking American boots on important issues.

I am not a bloodthirsty extremist. More of a detente-addicted democrat, as one pundit put it.

So I plead guilty to blind spots and deep concern for the mad path the world is taking under George Bush's leadership. I should look on the bright side and calm down. Lives are being lost and treasure is evaporating in this abyss, sure. The nation's repute has declined dramatically -- the Bush Doctrine of pre-emptive warfare shows so little sensibility to our previous national character that we have taken on the colors of a war-monger. But at least he isn't getting intimate with an intern as far as we know. There's more than one way to defile the Oval Office, huh?

Guilty, too, of worrying about how we as a nation will get out of this war, preferably in "winning" mode, and undo the damage caused by our cross-eyed leadership.

If these things are madness, then, let it reign.


A


09 Jan 05 - 11:11 AM (#1375058)
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From: Amos

I also think, on reflection, that I am a little bit insane for returning so devoutly (or may be it is obsessively?) to this community day after day to read the views of others and add my two bits worth of comment to them. I notice for all his crude anti-social style, that Martin shares this insanity with me. Odd, huh?

But I like coming here a lot more than the kinds of communication available in meat-space, just because the participants are pre-qualified here. Excuse me, I have to go clean up my drool now.

A


09 Jan 05 - 12:12 PM (#1375084)
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From: Cruiser

I am amazed that both fellows are able to devote so much time to Mudcat. The back-and-forth between them at least opens one's mind up to the extremes of about every issue discussed.

I am favorably biased towards liking Amos because he researches his posts and those posts, although often biased, condense information that many of us can't take the time to do so ourselves.

Never fail, Martin Gibson will rebut whatever Amos says. His rebuttals would be meaningful if he took the time to research the contrary position and post it in a fair manner, even if he combined learned refutations with his usual scatological retorts.

Insanity is far too extreme a term for either; strong personalities would probably be fitting appellations for both.

Cruiser


09 Jan 05 - 01:27 PM (#1375140)
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From: Once Famous

What you don't keep getting Cruiser is that I just don't really give a flying fuck.

This is Internet sport for me below the line.

Amos is anquishing about his image and justifying everything, why he's here, etc.

I just blow my wad and see what happens.

"And to this I can respond that although I am not THAT guilty, I am somewhat guilty. My attention returns tot he problem of George Bush over and over. One reason is that his war, started and designed under his control, belonging to him, is chewing up a thousand dollars a second."

Amos, you are so frustrated that it controls you. Please believe me when I say that you have zero impact on your concerns about George Bush.

This is not some kind of contest for me. Martin Gibson exists on Mudcat, not for Mudcat.


09 Jan 05 - 01:34 PM (#1375146)
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From: John MacKenzie

What's the difference between chutzpah and arrogance?
Giok


09 Jan 05 - 01:45 PM (#1375155)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: CarolC

I'm not going to comment on the original question. But on the question of Amos' thread about GW Bush, I appreciate the fact that there is a thread I can go to for information about the Bush presidency that I would probably not have the time to keep track of myself. Amos' thread is a very interesting compilation of articles on one particular subject... the presidency of GW Bush.

The fact that he is putting the majority of the articles and editorials he provides in one thread, instead of scattering them about in numerous threads, is a courtesy that I think many people might appreciate if they took a moment to think about it.

DougR, you are correct... you are not qualified in any way to assess Amos' mental health (or lack of it), or to even make implications about it. It might be useful to remember that before you go around suggesting that Amos has any kind of mental health disorder on other threads.


09 Jan 05 - 01:52 PM (#1375162)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: akenaton

I dont think either Amos or Martin are mad, but I do think that Martin has latched on to what has always been the achilles heel of the left, hypocrisy.

Martin always says what he thinks, and likes to twist the knife in that tender place.
Most of the rest of us are afraid to say what we really think ,because we dont want to give "bad " immpression.

This applies to all areas of our lives ,personal and political..Ake


09 Jan 05 - 01:58 PM (#1375167)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Bill D

" just why is it so important to you?"

because words have always had the power to stir emotions, and we have real people reading them. Many people here use this forum to learn, interact with others with like interests...often including RT meetings and music. Most of them do NOT condsider it a place to conduct a personal game of seeing how much dissention and upset they can cause by gratuitously (look it up) entering threads with insults and crude remarks.It makes me sad ...and angry..to see anyone making a special effort to be nasty to to "see what happens".

that's sorta why...

of course, I have no notion that my explanation will make any difference to someone who's idea of 'fun' runs in such strange patterns in the first place...


09 Jan 05 - 02:08 PM (#1375171)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Bill D

"Martin always says what he thinks" ..that IS what is scary..
"...and likes to twist the knife in that tender place." ...this is a VIRTUE?

Amos is at least willing to thoroughly study, research and note data to support his 'concern'...which many of us share.

ake, if you suppose that "most of us" really HAVE thoughts like MG...(and perhaps, yourself?), I'd suggest THAT indicates a personal problem with your attitude toward human nature.


09 Jan 05 - 02:15 PM (#1375177)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: akenaton

Bill...You completely misunderstand my post


09 Jan 05 - 02:21 PM (#1375182)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: CarolC

I think I probably misunderstood your post too, akenaton. It looks to me like you are suggesting that hypocrisy is more prevalent among "liberals" than among "conservatives" (or whatever other groups of people we might consider in this context). From my perspective, hypocrasy is every bit as prevalent among "conservatives" as it is among "liberals".


09 Jan 05 - 02:22 PM (#1375185)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Bill D

oh?..well, I'll go read it again...


09 Jan 05 - 02:28 PM (#1375189)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Bill D

I guess I'm just dense....can't find the deeper meaning.

...and I also wonder why you'd paint "the left" with the broad brush of 'hypocricy'...don't we find a few hypocrites in every area?


09 Jan 05 - 02:31 PM (#1375192)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: John MacKenzie

It must be a US political leaning thing because I don't get it. Why does Amos annoy MG so much, is it just different politics and the age gap or what? I find both their posts interesting, but I don't like MG's or anybody elses use of unnecessary strong language to make a point. Lenny Bruce and Frank Carson or any other foul mouthed comedian you can think of, are notorious for their foul language, and not famous for their jokes, and a swear word in place of a punctuation mark won't help your grades.
Giok


09 Jan 05 - 02:31 PM (#1375193)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: akenaton

Bill...You completely misunderstand my post.

I dont see the behaviour of Amos or Martin as "vice or virtue".

Most of the argument between Martin and others on this forum originate from political differences, and very often Martin is baited by democrats.

I was simply pointing out that although Martins political opinions are against all that we espouse, Martin is not afraid to defend his opinions in a forthright manner, he believes in these ideas and practices them daily, whereas most of us on the left neither believe what we preach or practice it.
This leaves us wide open to Martins charge of hypocrisy...Ake


09 Jan 05 - 02:36 PM (#1375195)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Cruiser

Okay Martin Gibson, I understand.

Have fun!


09 Jan 05 - 02:53 PM (#1375205)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Bill D

a 'forthright manner' I can live with...I thought *I* defended my own opinions in a forthright manner.

I don't quite agree that "Most of the argument between Martin and others on this forum originate from political differences"...note that although a lot of folks disagree with Doug R., we basically respect him and there is much good natured bantering goes on. Doug R. does not go out of his way to insult and be obscene, just to 'get a rise'.

and..."...whereas most of us on the left neither believe what we preach or practice it." ??? I'd sure be curious how you determine that, ake! Voting habits? Personal experience? Mind reading? I try not to say anything that I do not actually believe, even when I don't have time to express it well. Perhaps Martin's way of 'succinctly' ridiculing someone else's position is something I should experiment with...*grin*


09 Jan 05 - 03:07 PM (#1375222)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: GUEST,Dr. B. F. Skinner

"Skinner, you are a fucking quack. I have never claimed to be an attorney. I do know a few good ones though. You might need one for impersonating a doctor. You however, do not need one for impersonating a douche bag."

An interesting outburst, especially for diagnostic purposes.

As a behavioral psychologist of some reputation (world renown, I believe, if I say so myself), I don't believe anyone but Martin Gibson, and perhaps a few of my more emotionally and financially invested colleagues who disagree with some of my theories, regard me as a "quack." There is no questioning of my right to claim the title "Doctor," because, although I am not a medical doctor, I received a PhD in psychology from Harvard, and have taught the subject in several universities, including Harvard, and have conducted laboratory experiments in behavioral psychology under the aegis of these institutions. With that settled, let me go on to other matters.

If pressed, I believe I can find the posts in when Martin Gibson did imply that he was an attorney, and others in which he claimed that he was a published writer (although I believe someone pointed out that spray painting obscene graffiti on the sides of buildings does not qualify as being published). He also claimed that he was employed by a major corporation, but as noted above, this may actually be true (yet, he does seem to be able to spend an inordinate about of time during normal working hours throughout the week posting frequently inappropriate remarks on this forum; so the matter of his employment, if any, remains in doubt).

The fact that Martin Gibson mistakes me for a douche bag, or for someone trying to impersonate a douche bag, is reminiscent of some of the findings of my colleague, Dr Oliver Sachs, who published a book entitled "The Man Who Mistook His Wife for a Hat." However, I do not believe that Martin Gibson's problem is autism, although it may be related to a form of semi-controllable Tourette's syndrome.

The fact that he attacks me personally is not at all unusual. When a patient displays hostility toward his therapist, it is a common stage in that therapy and is to be expected. What does concern me is his persistent separation from reality, claiming that he is various things that he is not, his claim to possess special knowledge (acquired, presumably, by supernatural means) about the personal habits, sexual behavior, and personal hygiene of people he has never met, and his obsession with things scatological, a phase most children pass through at approximately age 3, and which, if it continues into adulthood, indicates a particularly serious infantile fixation. I am most deeply concerned about his persistent maintenance that the personality he displays when he is hiding behind anonymity is not his real personality. It is obvious that while he is anonymous, this is the time that he feels most free to let his true personality emerge. It is then that he can indulge his compulsion to behave in a manner that would be completely unacceptable to his family and social circle. Perhaps he needs this outlet as a sort of safety valve in order to maintain his tenuous grasp on reality.

Although there is no guarantee of a cure for this condition, a rigorous program of operant conditioning and behavior modification is indicated. A good beginning, perhaps, would be to have him sit on a stool while facing a corner and wearing a dunce cap.

Diagnosis:   wacko.


09 Jan 05 - 03:11 PM (#1375225)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: GUEST,Sigma Fender

Meanwhile, how do we determine what a REAL semite IS, so we can come to an understanding of whether we really ARE anti-semitic or not? And when we do...then what? I am hoping that Martin will clear this up, so we can get on with it. If I find out that I actually AM anti-semitic, after Martin explains what a real semite is, then I am going to probably undergo some lengthy penance or else do myself in by swallowing goldfish until I expire horribly.

I just couldn't live with the shame!


09 Jan 05 - 03:17 PM (#1375230)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: akenaton

Bill, Like your sense of humour.

Regarding hypocrisy ,you need look no further than the representatives of the left for proof.

New Labour in UK and the Democrats in America. Do you really think either of them represent left wing values?

In my personal life Im surrounded by people who profess to be left wing, but behave in right wing way when it benefits them.
I suppose caring for others doesn't come naturally to our species, so maybe im being a bit harsh.


In this forum, there are too many so called lefties who continue to support the Capitalist parties to be trully left.
Before the last election, there were only two people on this forum speaking against the two party system   Bobert and GUEST, both were ridiculed by the "democrats".
The people who ridiculed Bobert and GUEST were certainly not unintelligent....draw your own conclusions....Ake


09 Jan 05 - 03:18 PM (#1375232)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Guy Wolff

BARKING MAD POST AHEAD !!!!!                  
             I know its scary to look at a matter from a few sides and THEN come up with a conclusion but it is the best thing America has to offer and our responsability. It is the essence of freedom . Being a raving liberal flip flopper means your actually looking the thing over from a few angles before making an EDUCATED decision.I am proud of my flipping & flopping but I also see how vulnerable it leaves my conclutions to anyone trying to think in a two dementional world.Two dementioal thinking looks good its easy to dijest but the reality is we do not live in a two dementional world as ALL our leaders must truly know ... I have freinds in China who wonder at us and brag how for them it is all "predestened" . No worries at all .(Would that be one dementional ?? . )
                The great problem at the moment is both points of view are seeing the other as arrogant and dangerous .
                We have a group of Americans terrified that BIG BUSINESS will take over the world and steal all our freedoms . Then another group of people are terrified BIG GOVERNMENT will take over the world and steal all of our freedoms . Both have valid concerns and are slightly correct and at the same time misled . Both , at the moment are being led by a form of fear . Not good .

        Good Will, a Cultural Existence and a responsible freedom for the "Pursuit of Happiness "
            


            By the way I've played music with Amos and he definatly seemed male to me .Lots of testosterone makes that rich singing voice. I hope I get the chance to play music with Martin Gibson as well .. I like both of his guitar companies very much !!! All the best to those of good will .    Guy


09 Jan 05 - 03:23 PM (#1375240)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Little Hawk

Akenaton - I have always spoken out against the 2 party system. I despise both the Republicans AND the Democrats and consider them to be the right and left arm of the same unholy monster. I see massive hypocrisy on both the right and the left. I'm not surprised they see it in each other (but not in themselves). That's how the ego works. It sees its own faults clearly...in others.


09 Jan 05 - 03:30 PM (#1375244)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: akenaton

Bill ....I forgot to mention, Doug is a *tame* capitalist...A


09 Jan 05 - 03:30 PM (#1375246)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Little Hawk

And basically a nice guy, by all appearances...


09 Jan 05 - 03:33 PM (#1375249)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: akenaton

Sorry Hawk.. you are of course exempt from any political or personal criticism....Ake


09 Jan 05 - 03:42 PM (#1375256)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Little Hawk

Heh! :-)


09 Jan 05 - 03:47 PM (#1375262)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: akenaton

LH...I cant agree with you about Doug.
He supports a war which nearly all of us see as basically criminal.
This war has caused the deaths of thousands of innocent men women and children.

I have no time for people who blind themselves to the consequences of their beliefs.

I also dont see the right as hypocrites.   evil, mercenary, greedy, but not hypocritical.
They truly believe their doctrine, reinforced with a large shot of religion ...Ake


09 Jan 05 - 03:56 PM (#1375274)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Little Hawk

Well, yes, Ake, but he honestly believes that the War on Anti-terrorism is a legitimate defence of the USA against evil foreign religious fanatics, and he probably honestly believes also that the USA went into Iraq to "help the people" and to "create democracy". (Ha! Ha! Gasp! Snort! Cough!)

So, given those beliefs, Doug's opinions seem entirely just and proper to Doug. Therefore, he can still be a nice guy.

The hypocrisy of the right is different from that of the left. The left hides behind illusions of soft moral superiority ("we're kinder and more idealistic than they are"), while the right hides behind illusions of hard moral superiority ("we're tougher and more realistic than they are"). Both illusions cover over extreme vanity and self-interest in action.

The left is the archetype of the Protective and Indulgent (yet subtly controlling) Great Mother, the right is the archetype of the Strong, Authoritative (outwardly controlling), Disciplinarian Father. What society needs is a harmonious, healthy, and balanced marriage of those two principles, which is based on mutual respect and cooperation....not mutual hatred and competition.


09 Jan 05 - 03:59 PM (#1375278)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: CarolC

Before the last election, there were only two people on this forum speaking against the two party system   Bobert and GUEST, both were ridiculed by the "democrats".

This is incorrect. I was speaking against the two party sysytem prior to the last election, as was Little Hawk. And I believe there were other people who spoke against it was well. I was never ridiculed for doing so, and I don't recall seeing Little Hawk being ridiculed for doing so either.

You're making broad sweeping generalizations based on incorrect and incomplete information.


09 Jan 05 - 04:10 PM (#1375288)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: akenaton

Apologies Carol, I do regard both yourself and LH as true lefties..Ake


09 Jan 05 - 04:18 PM (#1375293)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: CarolC

LOL. I'll take that as a compliment, akenaton, even though I choose to not apply any labels to myself and/or my political perspective.


09 Jan 05 - 04:39 PM (#1375308)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: GUEST

Sigma Fender says
"how do we determine what a REAL semite IS, so we can come to an understanding of whether we really ARE anti-semitic or not?"

It's easy dude. If Rabbi Sol bugs you as much as Martin Gibson does, then you're anti-semetic. If you find MG to be an irritant, it doesn't mean you're prejudiced. I find both Martin and Amos to be egotistical bulllies if you cross them. Only difference, one uses big words to pick on his adversaries, the other dirty words.


09 Jan 05 - 04:49 PM (#1375316)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Once Famous

"Docktor Skinner:

My professional analysis of you: cocksucker

You have way to much time on your hands. Ever try cutting your pubes until you find one that bleeds?

Oh my God, Giok, don't fall over.

Guy, maybe one day our paths will cross picking some hott bluegrass, traditional since 1948.

Hey everyone. Thanks for the discussion. Stop by tomorrow for more of it.

Always in your face, but not on it............Love, Martin


09 Jan 05 - 05:07 PM (#1375330)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Once Famous

Oh my! Dirty words. Yecchhhhh. I must go wash. They are so dirty. Such filth.

Amos, doesn't it bother you what they are saying about you?

Sure, don't bother me any.


09 Jan 05 - 05:25 PM (#1375342)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: GUEST,Dr. B. F. Skinner

His level of hostility seem to be increasing and he continues to claim special knowledge about people he doesn't know. This graphically confirms my diagnosis, but some revision may be in order. Symptoms of paranoid schizophrenia are beginning to appear.


09 Jan 05 - 05:28 PM (#1375346)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Once Famous

Not as fast as the stains in your shorts, Doc!

LOL! You are a riot!


09 Jan 05 - 06:01 PM (#1375374)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: s6k

too much time on your hands


09 Jan 05 - 06:04 PM (#1375377)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: GUEST,Dr. B. F. Skinner

There it is again. The scatological fixation.

I'm sorry, but I'll have to get back to Martin Gibson tomorrow. I do have other patients; ones whose prognosis is more hopeful.


09 Jan 05 - 07:15 PM (#1375428)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Bill D

well, ake...I freely admit that our US system does not easily allow for 'lefties'...OR 'righties' to find a party that really represents their views. I am a registered Democrat, but not an extreme left sort, and even have 'some' conservative values of certain issues....but there is no Centrist Party for me to join, nor even much of a Left Wing party to bicker with...without basically wasting my vote. Therefore, I support the Democrats STRONGLY, because of what the Republican party has become. 20-30 years ago, I disagreed with much Republican theory, but except for Nixon, I didn't see the rigidity and extremism, combined with radical Christianity, that worries me today.

But, as to Doug R and Martin Gibson...although they might vote in similar ways, their approach to discussion is pretty different. If I met each of them in a bar and they behaved much as they do in this forum, I might talk to Doug for a long time before we managed to discover that we disagreed on politics....but if Martin approached things they way he does here, I wouldn't give him 5 minutes. (He says he doesn't, in fact...but the point is, HERE he is obnoxious 75% of the time, and makes special effort to offend people in threads which are unrelated to political/economic bickering. I have not seen Doug call anyone a 'douche bag', no matter what he thought of their political views.

I wish Doug did NOT support this stupid war with silly rationalizations, but I can at least argue with HIM about it, as a person.


09 Jan 05 - 07:33 PM (#1375447)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: akenaton

Doug wouldn't know what a douche bag was!!
And stupidity is not an excuse. (about the war, not the douche bag).


09 Jan 05 - 07:56 PM (#1375455)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Bill D

being an ex-philosoper, I even differentiate between 'excuse' and 'explanation'. I don't dare assume that anyone who disagrees with me is 'stupid', so I have to look elsewhere for an explanation for views I consider indefensible. Some people just develop some emotional/social/religious/fiscal..etc. attachment to a set of beliefs so deep they they are unable to see other viewpoints. They decide what the answer MUST be, then twist all logic, facts and discussion to fit. This is pretty shallow reasoning, but it 'explains' why people who are pretty smart can hold stupid opinions.

It is one of the mysteries of life how folks can look at the same set of facts and come up with totally divergent opinions.


09 Jan 05 - 07:56 PM (#1375456)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: GUEST,maybenotallofHitler'spaintingswereshite

anybody heard any of Martins music ?

is it any good ?


09 Jan 05 - 08:01 PM (#1375459)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Bobert

Well, not that this has anything to do with either Amos's of MG's sanity, or lack thereof, I agree with ake in that ignorance is not sufficient defense...

Hey, don't get me wrong. I like Dougie's style. Just not his lack of willingness to walk that extra mile in examining his carte blanche support of anything that Bush does... That's scarey.

Bobert


09 Jan 05 - 08:03 PM (#1375465)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: beardedbruce

". Some people just develop some emotional/social/religious/fiscal..etc. attachment to a set of beliefs so deep they they are unable to see other viewpoints. They decide what the answer MUST be, then twist all logic, facts and discussion to fit. This is pretty shallow reasoning, but it 'explains' why people who are pretty smart can hold stupid opinions."

Hey, don't get me wrong. I like Amo's style. Just not his lack of willingness to walk that extra mile in examining his carte blanche tion of anything that Bush does... That's scarey.


09 Jan 05 - 08:06 PM (#1375470)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: beardedbruce

rejection...


09 Jan 05 - 08:07 PM (#1375471)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: akenaton

Interesting view Bill, but how does one become an ex philosopher?

Surely that would require some major surgery?...Ake


09 Jan 05 - 08:17 PM (#1375479)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Little Hawk

One could only become an ex-philosopher by rising to an even higher level of consciousness, in which case philosophy would become redundant. This can happen, for example, in the case of enlightenment.

Most people, however, are at a considerably lower level of consciousness than that of a serious philosopher...and they also consider philosophy redundant. :-) This means that the company of genuine philosophers is restricted to a pretty small group of people.

You can confirm this by attending events such as the Superbowl...


09 Jan 05 - 08:27 PM (#1375492)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: akenaton

Thats good LH...but I thought maybe Bill had retired from philosophy and taken up some other pursuit?


09 Jan 05 - 08:33 PM (#1375502)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Little Hawk

Such as...?


09 Jan 05 - 08:47 PM (#1375514)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Once Famous

The fact of the matter is I don't want to have the type of discussions so many of you feel is necessary.

It's like, why bother?

Please be my guest and discuss with Doug R all you want. Be my guest and post your opinions. I can either like them or say they are complete bullshit. I do not owe you a reason why either way.

On the other hand, if you are going to dish out complete bullshit, you have to be able to take it.

Doktor Skinner BTW is best at analyzing his foreskin.

Little Hawk has got it right to a degree about the serious philosophers as far as I am concerned. I can assure you, no one here is going into the philosopher Hall of Fame.


09 Jan 05 - 08:51 PM (#1375516)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Little Hawk

Anyway, Bill, it's not so much that they are looking at the same set of facts as it is this...

They have an emotional position already, and that establishes the vantage point from which they look. They then look FOR what supports their emotional position, with great attention. They give very scant (if any) attention to what does not support their emotional position. They filter "facts" and only injest the ones they like.

People want to be right, and that is the primary thing standing in the way of their ability to look at things in an unprejudiced fashion. They're rather be "right" than be open-minded. They're rather be "right" than be at peace with others. They'd rather be "right" than be kind or tolerant or fair-minded.

And therein lies the problem. Virtually all strong opinions are, at some level, a form of vanity. And they are, at some level, arbitrary.


09 Jan 05 - 08:53 PM (#1375517)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Bobert

Danged...

Say it ain't so. Martin... Say it ain't so....

B~


09 Jan 05 - 08:58 PM (#1375524)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: GUEST,heric

Some people want to be right for their own satisfaction. Their built-in biases would logically be of a different nature than people who want, consciously or not, to be viewed as right. You have failed to make a requisite distinction; I am right about that.

Some peole can be rude as hell, or direct, or probing (I hate to give martin that word), to try to get the best arguments out of another person, if only to help themselves decide an issue.

Many other people think they are right and that is the end of the story.


09 Jan 05 - 09:00 PM (#1375525)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Once Famous

it's so.

So what?


09 Jan 05 - 09:02 PM (#1375528)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Little Hawk

Ah! I see what you mean, Martin, about not wanting to have these kind of discussions. That's why you and Amos are like oil and water. He loves the kind of discussions that don't interest you in the least. I can sort of go either way on it, depending on the subject...and my mood at the time, I guess.

Me, I like spiritual and philosophical discussions for their own sake. I also like wacko humor. Obviously.

Chongo likes classy dames, fast cars, and good cigars.

BDiBR likes beer, pot, easy girls, and fast food.

William Shatner likes barbecued steaks, horses, acting, good looking women, and show business.

Everybody's gotta find what they like in life.


09 Jan 05 - 09:17 PM (#1375544)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: GUEST

So there's no point in trying to discuss anything with Martin Gibson. Just let him blather on. Rather like a barking dog.


09 Jan 05 - 09:20 PM (#1375550)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Little Hawk

There can be a point to it if you find one, but that's up to you.


09 Jan 05 - 09:20 PM (#1375551)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Bobert

Yup, GUEST....

But he does it better than anyone here...

Bobert


09 Jan 05 - 09:22 PM (#1375552)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Little Hawk

Ever tried to get a dog to stop barking? There are only a couple of ways I know of that work.


09 Jan 05 - 09:31 PM (#1375560)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Bobert

The 12 guage is outta the question, LH....

Bobert


09 Jan 05 - 09:34 PM (#1375564)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Little Hawk

You got my wavelength there, Bobert. :-) The other way is to throw the dog a bone, a sausage, something good to eat...

Works every time!

No dog cannot be bribed with food.


09 Jan 05 - 09:34 PM (#1375565)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Bill D

I didn't use the right punctuation...I am an ex-Philosopher. I am still a 'philosopher'...the difference being I spent 2 years as a graduate student getting paid for it, but soon determined there were VERY few Philosophers required out in the world. I did larn me some innerestin stuff, though...and now I come here to give all these folkies the benefit of my great erudition on a wide selection of important....uh...what was the question?....

oh, well...Little Hawk has affirmed my attainment of a "higher consciousness"...whatever that is, it sounds good!

and LH...I assume that analysis of "emotional positions" is self-inclusive? I, being a certified 'Philosopher', claim the right to stand outside the usual reflexive self-incrimination.


09 Jan 05 - 09:39 PM (#1375569)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Peace

Both of these fellows have never been anything but polite to me--and extremely helpful on more than one occasion. I agree more with Amos' political views than I do with Martin's, but I also know that Martin considered long and hard about where his vote went. I know Amos did, too. Martin has made some great statements 'up on the porch'. I have many friends from different walks of life; from different political camps; from different 'worlds'. These guys are two of 'em. Subsequently, I am off this thread. Behave yourselves, OK?

BM


09 Jan 05 - 09:39 PM (#1375570)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Little Hawk

Yes, Bill, it's self-inclusive. However, I am at the stage where I can usually observe my own typical emotional reactions and positions with a certain measure of detachment and humour...which helps to lessen their grip on my thinking. Usually. It's an ongoing challenge.

I find lately that there are very few people whom I cannot find something likeable in, Martin included.

There's simply no sense letting his coarse language get you or anyone else bent out of shape. Actually, it doesn't matter.


10 Jan 05 - 02:58 AM (#1375720)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Dewey

Cocky Conceit vs. Potty Mouth Name-Caller.

Cocky Conceit is the biggest offense, a gentleman who thinks himself and his opinions, more valid than the rest of the world's is certainly not behaving as a "Gentleman" towards anybody.

I have many friends who were Potty mouths and name callers, but they didn't think themselves superior to me. So their name calling never bothered me. I had friends that called me "fatboy" d...head etc.

What IS the most unforgivable sin is making yourself out to be a somebody, by sincerely believing IN YOUR HEART, more than JUST your actions, that the other person is INVALID.


This is ego centered destruction and is the LOWEST LEVEL OF SPIRITUALITY.

The potty mouth name caller is MORE of a gentleman in deed however, because one feels that in the harshness of his attitude one is on equal footing with such a person.

The person conversley that TALKS DOWN TO THE OTHER PERSON SELDOM MAKES FRIENDS, who would ever listen to, or tolerate, or cooperate with such a so-called SUPERIOR ACTING "friend". The other friend thinks, "why should I consider him a friend, when he think so little of me!"

Dewey


10 Jan 05 - 03:08 AM (#1375727)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Dewey

AS far as political opinions they're like ******** everyone's got one.

So what's the point in wasting space on them here?

Dewey


10 Jan 05 - 09:45 AM (#1375760)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: GUEST,Amos

Gee, Dewey, I don't know much about you, and I certainly don't recall saying I was superior to you in some way. Do I owe you am apology or something? Tell me what it was, if so.


Sorry if my language strikes you that way. You might say something to me about it.

A


10 Jan 05 - 10:14 AM (#1375766)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: GUEST,Giok

LH I think you put an accidental comma between the words horses and acting in your earlier post. The reason WS likes horses acting is because they're about the only thing he thinks he can act better than, and he's wrong there too.
Giok ;~)


10 Jan 05 - 10:35 AM (#1375771)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Peace

Hey, Dewey. Relax. No one died and left you boss.


10 Jan 05 - 10:50 AM (#1375786)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Little Hawk

Giok, you are being quite unfair to the esteemed Mr Shatner. He can act much better than the average horse can.


10 Jan 05 - 10:52 AM (#1375789)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Amos

Only the average horse, though, mind you. AN excellent horse make shim look wooden and uninspired.

A


10 Jan 05 - 10:59 AM (#1375793)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Little Hawk

LOL! Just can't resist sniping at the Great Bill, can you, Amos?


10 Jan 05 - 11:47 AM (#1375842)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Amos

I'm just jealous of his money, LH! :)


A


10 Jan 05 - 01:38 PM (#1375982)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Pied Piper

I'm still recovering from Shatners rendering (in it's meat products sense) of "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds" but he was the best James T Kirk I ever saw.

PP


10 Jan 05 - 01:45 PM (#1375990)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Bill D

I been tellin' you for AGES, Amos, that all them big, fancy words was gonna get you in trouble! We want to be clear to all levels of our membership, don't we?
Now, fer Pete's dewey's sake, stop the hypersyllabification and eschew obfuscation!


10 Jan 05 - 02:02 PM (#1376014)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Teresa

Bobert, you've created a difficulty in starting this thread.

There are so many insane folk around here who deserve this honor, myself included.

Please, I vote to open up the floor to further nominations.

Teresa


10 Jan 05 - 03:07 PM (#1376064)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: GUEST,Bones

I wish Martin and Doug would just fuck and get it over with.


10 Jan 05 - 03:08 PM (#1376067)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Jerry Rasmussen

I'd like to say a word on behalf of my friend Amos. Amos IS a gentleman. I don't believe that he ever means to condescend. I'd wouldn't confuse politics with real life, even though I mostly agree with him. I must say though, Amos my friend... you do have a tendency to call a spade a long, wooden handled, steel bladed digging implement... :-)

Jerry

Still obfuscated after all these years


10 Jan 05 - 04:17 PM (#1376126)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: s6k

yeah i agree with Guest Bones, I think they fancy eachother!


10 Jan 05 - 04:35 PM (#1376136)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Amos

But Jerry!! A spade IS a long, wooden-handled, steel-bladed digging implement!!

LOL

I know I wax sometimes. It's the way I yam wired. I'll try to simplify.

A


10 Jan 05 - 04:37 PM (#1376141)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Jerry Rasmussen

Criticizing Amos because he uses a lot of big words is like critizing Chongo Chimp because he has fleas. Each of us has our defining characteristic that makes us so charming..

Jerry


10 Jan 05 - 04:41 PM (#1376146)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Peace

". . . stop the hypersyllabification and eschew obfuscation!"

My G A W D! LH does THAT? I am either really impressed or very disgusted. He's Canadian you know.


10 Jan 05 - 05:26 PM (#1376186)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Georgiansilver

One who uses a complicated vocabulary and one who presents many expletives but I don't think either is insane...just different!
Best wishes.


10 Jan 05 - 05:40 PM (#1376197)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Bobert

Sorry, Teresa, but I ain't into them "open" threadsa about who is the craziest of all Mudcatters, who is the purdiest, 'we nuthing like that. Them threads is what I "slam book" threads and tend to be at tad junior hogh schoolish in general...

Not that you ain't wacko, mind you, 'cause I'm sure you can hold yer own with the best of 'um...

Nah, this is just a thread for Martin and Amos who have been dueling it out for some time and both accused each other of being insane, 'er nyso, 'er... about the same time so I figured we'd limit this one to them...

Now, if you would like to take on the winner, 'er looser, than maybe we can do a "Insanity. Teresa or _________" thread...

Bobert


10 Jan 05 - 06:40 PM (#1376229)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Amos

Gee, Bobert, sounds like you believe in the anti-Darwinian "Popular Acclaim" model of mental health, which holds that sanity is defined by the number of agreements it can muster.

That's a hard one to defend rationally, but I ams ure you get lots of people to agree with you, so you'll be ok!


A


10 Jan 05 - 07:05 PM (#1376241)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: John MacKenzie

Who are we to say somebody is mad just because there are more of us than there is of them, we could still be wrong!
Giok


10 Jan 05 - 08:32 PM (#1376288)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Bill D

brucie, brucie, brucie...no, no...AMOS does the inflated word bit, LH inflates concepts!


10 Jan 05 - 09:00 PM (#1376313)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Once Famous

Dewey is a cool dude in my book.

Sounds like one streetwise guy.

I guarantee that less than 20-25% of all my posts have used any profanity. The ones that have had some major impact.

Thank you!

BTW I did not write the song "I Want To Talk About Me."


10 Jan 05 - 11:51 PM (#1376395)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Little Hawk

You're so right, Bill! That IS what I do. Most people are far too narrow-minded and literal in their approach to concepts. For instance, they think religion is something that only occurs in churches! Whereas it actually occurs practically EVERYWHERE! And that's just the start...

:-)


10 Jan 05 - 11:54 PM (#1376399)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Peace

Thank you for making that clear, Martin. And thank you for not writing that song. It is bloody awful.

And thank you Amos for your vocabulary. Other than the 'hypersylabilic/hypersyllabelic/hypersyllabbleic/word with many parts thing', I understood the rest except for "eschew obfuscation" which I think may be illegal in Canada.

So, let me see if I got this right: Everything is undergoing inflation except the blow-up dolls. BILL! TALK TO ME! Is what LH's doing a good thing?


11 Jan 05 - 10:05 AM (#1376542)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: GUEST

Dewey, you get the prize forl humor--you are a laugh a minute--as for Martin, you're always welcome here, because there is something reassuring about people who are consistant--


11 Jan 05 - 10:10 AM (#1376543)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Amos

I think we really need to make the point here that inflated words are the harbingers--nay, the veritable handmaidens--of inflated concepts. If hyperbolic vocabulary appears, can hyperbole be far behind?

A


11 Jan 05 - 10:28 AM (#1376557)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Bill D

brucie..that Little Hawk feller..*tsk*...he gets by with a lot, being from Canada and all. (You know how that is!)...

Is he doing a good thing? Well, lemme see...it just depends on whether you WANT to feed yer mind on conceptual cotton-candy .. ;>).

I guess it ain't a bad thing...like, it won't wear out the seat of yer skivvies to go 'round contemplating the multiplicity of the universal Godness of all cogent things what walks 'n crawls....prob'ly won't even cause yer hair to fall out.

Now, me, I just cain't seem t' get aholt of whatever it is he's a mumblin' about....but I don't spect it'll cause the downfall of civilization or nothin'......not right away, ennyhow...(well, unless G.W Bush gets wind of it and tries to integrate it all with the rest of his furrin' policy!) .....but don't try to winter over with nothin' ELSE to chew on....

ok? that do it?


11 Jan 05 - 10:29 AM (#1376558)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Peace

Or even hyperspace and travel into the past, future or present. I think yer onto somethin' here, Amos.


11 Jan 05 - 10:48 AM (#1376575)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Stilly River Sage

Amos, if you keep that up I'll feel compelled to enter the fray. . .you're squandering perfectly good BS over here.

SRS


11 Jan 05 - 12:19 PM (#1376650)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Amos

Don't report me, please, Stilly. I didn't start this thread, IIRC -- I only spoke up in my own defense, usually a mistake, but it didn't see fair to go on the offensive against an unarmed man.

A


11 Jan 05 - 12:32 PM (#1376667)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Little Hawk

And we can't have that, can we? No, BS is too valuable to be squandered, heaven knows!

Bill, I am going to quote to you from a book I am presently reading (and it's the best book on the process of developing expanded consciousness and spiritual realization that I have EVER read yet)...

Ahem!

"The problem with the ego is not that it is wrong; it is just that it is limited and distorted. To conceive of the ego as an enemy is to become polarized, bringing forth conflict, guilt, anger, and shame. Positionalities [ideas based on the concept of duality and separation] support the ego. By enlarging context opposites are transcended and problems are dissolved."

The italics, and the part in the brackets were added by me, for emphasis...

Now, I'll give you an example. People in different religions fight over petty points of doctrine, such as whose prophet is the REAL prophet or the best one, whose book is the REAL book or the best one, whether one should eat pork or not, etc...

That's because they are ignoring huge areas they share in common and obsessing over details. They fail to enlarge the context.

I look at religions, and I see a common thread running through all of them, which if seen ends forever the religious quarrels and religious wars. I see the eternal truth in EVERY holy book, every great prophet, and every sacred tradition. I don't care about the minor difference, which have all arisen through the development of unique cultures under different historical conditions.

I enlarge context, and that eliminates conflict and produces brotherhood.

Another example: People look at politics and obsess over the details, by narrowing context again. They blithely ignore the fact that they have far more in common with one another...all the same basic concerns, in fact...and go out and attack one another over petty details, such as...political party alleigances, financial opportunities, national identity, flags, anthems, past grievances, and other superficial nonsense like that.

They have failed to enlarge context to include themselves among ALL humanity. They have sunken into a tribal, utterly parochial and childish consciousness. I see one single humanity, all of whom love their children, seek self-expression and freedom, and want to live a peaceful, happy, productive life free of fear. I enlarge context. No one stands outside my tribal identity, because my trive is the Human Race, and beyond that...the whole biosphere.

Enlarging context is exactly how to produce peace and prosperity on Earth. Narrowing context is how to produce division, fear, cutthroat competition, and destruction.


11 Jan 05 - 12:34 PM (#1376673)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Don Firth

In my observation, Martin Gibson is insane. Amos is in sane.

The difference may appear subtle, but it is all-important.

Don Firth


11 Jan 05 - 12:38 PM (#1376679)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Don Firth

Hmm. And the book you are quoting, Little Hawk is. . . ? And by whom?

Don Firth


11 Jan 05 - 12:40 PM (#1376681)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Amos

Don:

Very kind, but I don't think the adjective takes a preposition! :D


A


11 Jan 05 - 12:41 PM (#1376682)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Little Hawk

The differences are illusory. At a higher level of awareness, Amos and Martin Gibson and yes, even Don Firth, are one and the same Spirit, manifesting in 3 very unique and juicy roles, for the pleasure of indulging in controversy! It is their individual egos that can't deal with such a notion of Oneness. They're afraid they might die and cease to exist, if they surrendered to the notion of peaceful Unity.

LOL! That statement oughta drive at least a few people up the wall.


11 Jan 05 - 12:41 PM (#1376683)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: John MacKenzie

President Chirac is in Seine.
Giok


11 Jan 05 - 12:47 PM (#1376689)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Amos

Little Hawk:

I am sorry to tell you this, but the Big Pool Union of All in One SPirit thing is a misnomer. It is just subtly wrong enough to ensnare millions in the belief they are One when they are not.

As for They're afraid they might die and cease to exist, if they surrendered to the notion of peaceful Unity. you may keep your opinions of others' beliefs to yourself. Because vociferous condescension is not exactly a trait of enlightenment either, now is it?

A


11 Jan 05 - 12:49 PM (#1376690)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: s6k

yeh but you still fancy eachother


11 Jan 05 - 12:51 PM (#1376694)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Peace

"vociferous condescension"

That happened one time when I had a bad cold. I sneezed on the windshield. WHAT A MESS.


11 Jan 05 - 12:56 PM (#1376700)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Little Hawk

I wouldn't dream of standing in the way of whatever you wish to presume, Amos. :-)

Tell me what would get humanity farther...Oneness or division? Of what avail is it for you to quarrel with Martin Gibson? Or with anyone?


11 Jan 05 - 01:01 PM (#1376707)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Little Hawk

And, Amos, the number of people I have met who honestly believe (and PUT INTO PRACTICE THE BELIEF) that we are all One...I can count easily on the fingers of one hand.

They do not number in the millions, my friend. They are one in a million.


11 Jan 05 - 01:16 PM (#1376724)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: freda underhill

please keep the noise down. i'm trying to sleep.


11 Jan 05 - 01:17 PM (#1376727)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Little Hawk

Yes, it's rather late right now in Oz, isn't it?


11 Jan 05 - 01:30 PM (#1376747)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Jerry Rasmussen

I am the walrus.. Koo koo ca Choo. Or is it A-Choo? A walrus with a runny nose is not a site to cherish.

Jerry


11 Jan 05 - 01:31 PM (#1376749)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Peace

If everything is all one, why do we have the number two.


11 Jan 05 - 01:36 PM (#1376754)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Don Firth

One small problem with that. Since everyone on this human level is limited in their perceptions and can rarely grasp the total picture of anything, be it the cosmos as a whole or a political issue, if everyone agreed on everything, stagnation would be the inevitable result and there would be no point in the possession of our unique gift of individual consciousness. It is through the exchange of different viewpoints that knowledge, both individual and collective, advances. To attempt to suppress the expression of any individual's unique viewpoint is to embrace not just ignorance, but evil.

I am an Ancient One and I have read much and I have given a great deal of thought to this matter. Oneness exists in the sense that we are all one with the Cosmos. We are all one in that we are part of Life. One can find manifestations of Unity everywhere. But--on this human level, we are all individual consciousnesses. And this is where we are now supposed to be.

Achieving Oneness, in the sense of attaining Nirvana, is actually to become non-existent.

Don Firth


11 Jan 05 - 02:11 PM (#1376784)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Little Hawk

2 is what you have when you decide to divide the One into 2 observable parts...an arbitrary, but possible decision. If you decide to divide the One into trillions of observable parts, then you have the observable Universe. It's still One Universe.

A jellyfish is one jellyfish, but if you look at it under a microscope you will find that it is many millions of little cells cooperating efficiently together in a common purpose. They cooperate effectively because they are One in consciousness, and they naturally accept that they are One. We would be well advised to do the same, rather than fighting against one another.


11 Jan 05 - 02:19 PM (#1376792)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Little Hawk

I am not suggesting agreement on everything...I am suggesting goodwill on everything. There will always be differing viewpoints, differing proposals, and differing choices...and that's good! It leads to innovation and advancement.

Peace is established by people of goodwill, and can be maintained despite disagreements, provided one is willing to live and let live.

So, Don, I believe we are actually in agreement on this matter...individuality is indeed a splendidly valuable thing, and should be encouraged.


11 Jan 05 - 02:20 PM (#1376794)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Peace

So, there is either a universal oneness or there is a universal collection of a trillion onenesses.

Grasshopper, take the pebble from my hand . . . .


11 Jan 05 - 02:20 PM (#1376796)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Amos

Golly Gee, Polka Dottie!! Didja hear what Rootie Kazootie said about the pursuit oF Cosmic Oneness? Mebbe you and me should go down to that Krishna temple and get some free food, big boy, and after we can find ourselves a sweet little corner somewhere and grab some of that transcendental nookie, huh? How's about it? I get SO close to being One with All when we ...well, you know...c'mon, c'mon!!!

Seriously, brother Hawk, let me re-word what I yams aying so as not to be misunderstood. When you transcend your current identitiy and find out the fullness of all you are, your self, THEN you can explore the willing union of self with others and with All, because you won't have an ego. But merge as you might, you will still be you. Being you does not mean you have a Terran-type ego at all. The scope of the intermediary ground is mindboggling.

A


11 Jan 05 - 02:25 PM (#1376801)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Don Firth

I believe that's what I said. . . .

But the individual cells of a jellyfish are not conscious in the same way that we are conscious.

There is only one way that we, on this human level, can accept this kind of "oneness" That is to completely suppress our individual consciousness (and conscience) and obey our leaders. In that way, we can, indeed, become a single unit, like a jellyfish (the consciousness of which is in doubt). But do we really want that?

Don Firth


11 Jan 05 - 02:26 PM (#1376805)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: GUEST,John Hardly

sheesh. Go away for a few months and now we're voting on Amos' sanity.

Or was that "Santatee"? A Santatee is an endagered species that, when not frantically spending late December delivering gifts world-wide, swims gently around the Gulf inlets of Florida. Like a walrus without the tusks -- all blubber and no bite.

As I've never seen Amos on Christmas Eve, I'm inclined to believe that he may be a Santatee. Of course, I've never seen him swim either.


11 Jan 05 - 02:28 PM (#1376811)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Little Hawk

And...achieving Oneness is not to become non-existent, it is to become existent in a far fuller sense of the word. It is to become existent with expanded awareness...while still functioning as a unique expression in manifestation.

I can play "Hamlet" in the Earthly play if I want to...and yet become aware that I am not just "Hamlet". I am the actor, and I will still be the actor after Hamlet is dead and the play has ended!

Most people lose themselves in the part. They become convinced that they ARE Hamlet or Ophelia or Rosencrantz, etc...and get caught in the emotional dramas of fear, excitement, ambition, tragedy, despair, conceit, jealousy, desire, lust, romance, revenge, and so on.

Emotional dramas can become very convincing, very entertaining, to the point where they completely devour the participant...who forgets that he is in fact an actor playing a part, and he will not die in the play nor will he lose his love or his reputation.

Martin Gibson's part in the drama is quite interesting, and often very amusing to me. To some people, it's just bloody annoying. But look at the zest he gives to the part! Amos's part is far more likable by most people's standards. I think they are both playing parts which have considerable merit.


11 Jan 05 - 02:34 PM (#1376821)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: John MacKenzie

Quote "A walrus with a runny nose is not a site to cherish.

Jerry "

A Mudcat with a runny anything, is that a sight to cherish?

Giok(¦¬]>


11 Jan 05 - 02:43 PM (#1376835)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Little Hawk

Now you guys are getting silly... :-)

Don, my "leader" is within me, not vested in somebody outside of myself. Same goes for you. But...if I want to learn a new guitar technique, I go to someone who can show it to me. He's more experienced than I am in that particular matter. If I want to learn more about meditation or quieting the mind or moving kundalini or a new healing technique, I do likewise. I go to those who are more experienced at it, and have demonstrated it in a way that I can appreciate.

That does not mean that the practitioner then becomes my "leader" who then dominates the whole rest of my life. I have no such leader. I am my leader.


Amos - I do not intend to leave my ego behind or to destroy it. I intend to master it, instead of letting it lead me around by the nose for the rest of this mortal life. I intend the ego to become a useful servant, not a petty tyrant, as it is in most people. I intend to enlarge my awareness, not obliterate it in cosmic Oneness. I still have enough ego left, believe me, to get just a tad annoyed at your attempts to ridicule what you have seemingly only the vaguest notion of...given that you mentioned the "Krishna temple", of all things...and it's your little ego that prompts you to engage in such ridicule in the first place.

Zing! Little Hawk's ego and Amos's ego stalk portentiously into the ring, waving their little fists as the crowd roars for blood! (chuckle...) Little Hawk looks very fetching in a harvest-gold lycra Star Trek outfit, while Amos is clad in his armour of intellect, emblazoned "I cogitate, therefore I am!".

I hope Martin gets a laugh or two out of this...


11 Jan 05 - 02:46 PM (#1376837)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Peace

. . . when you can take the pebble from my hand it will be time for you to leave.


11 Jan 05 - 02:47 PM (#1376840)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Little Hawk

I've been taking some Qi Gong, Bruce, but I'm not that advanced yet. Not nearly so, in fact.


11 Jan 05 - 02:57 PM (#1376846)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Peace

OK, best two outta three?


11 Jan 05 - 03:07 PM (#1376855)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Jerry Rasmussen

Remind me.. what was this thread about? Maybe you're right, Amos. A shovel is a long, wooden-handled digging impletment. Or perhaps it's a fignewton of our minagination, as Pogo would day.

Jerry


11 Jan 05 - 03:24 PM (#1376864)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: pdq

If our struggle is to achieve the number one, then this entire thread is number two.


11 Jan 05 - 03:45 PM (#1376881)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: s6k

this entire thread IS a number two... you know what I'm talking about!


11 Jan 05 - 03:49 PM (#1376883)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Bill D

you all know MY habit is to go Googling to see if I can find what the heck we're talkin' about....so I tried my hand at "oneness"..

and lo 'n behold!, it was there! Wid pichers and everything!

all umpty-'leven varieties!

I don't know if my poor atrophied sensors will ever find 'oneness', but I get the feeling from lookin' that it's all swirly & hazy and colored funny, and I might get queasy from just being there...or maybe I AM there...I mean here...and THAT'S why I feel like this!


11 Jan 05 - 03:55 PM (#1376889)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Amos

Ah, mein freunde Leedle Hawk!!

I am witchoo pal, not agin ye.

I just didn't want to have any expectations levied on me, is all. Thanks for stepping into that ring in that Lycra thing for all the world to see. And this armo is actually trompe l'oeil body paint, exquisitely rendered by a 30 year old artist -- ex-Miss-America-- who has been coming to me for consciousness-raising lessons and offered to do the paint job in exchange. Pretty neat , innit??

:D


A


11 Jan 05 - 04:01 PM (#1376897)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Don Firth

Ah, but Little Hawk, at the moment, I am playing the part that has been given to me. In the same way that, say, Sir Laurence Olivier was fully aware that he was Olivier while on stage playing Hamlet, I am equally aware that I am playing a part while in this world (that, as Shakespeare so aptly said, is but a stage [perhaps in two senses of the word "stage"]). While I am here, I would be remiss not to play my part as well as I possibly can, and if that part calls for occasional confrontation, well, that's the within nature of the play. To deviate from the role I am called upon to play would be to fail to adequately present the work of the Author of that play, n'est-ce pas?

Another way of putting it:   if, while in the eighth grade, I was so intent on getting into the nineth grade that I neglected the full and proper pursuit of my eighth grade studies, I might discover that I must repeat the eighth grade. Counterproductive.

Perhaps this was best expressed by Rabbi Zusya of Hanipal. He said, "In the world to come, they will not ask me, 'Why were you not Moses?' They will ask me, 'Why were you not Zusya?'"

Don Firth


11 Jan 05 - 04:04 PM (#1376907)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: freda underhill

for all we know, the Oneness could be a big, muscular, sweaty, idol who smokes and has smelly armpit hair. and thats why its taking so long for all those Buddhist monks to attain Oneness, because they're ideating on something swirly n hazy without form or body odor.

maybe its time to stop washing armpits in the name of Oneness.


11 Jan 05 - 04:07 PM (#1376913)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Amos

Well, all things considered, folks, this has been an interesting and even humbling thread, I gotta say. I seriosuly had to examine my own arrogant, loud-mouthed, polysyllabic ways to see if they were as insane as some folks reckoned. I have given it much thought, and I have thought as well about the kind and humorous and many-faceted personalities that I know as my friends here at the Mducat.

I have thought about it hard, and I submit to you that even saying as much is prima facie evidence that insanity is not my category. I think it is a truism that reflecting on your own sanity is not a luxury the insane can really afford.

But I have gone further and reached a second conclusion. When I look at my friends and the roles we play here on the 'Cat, I realize I could be badly and madly mistaken, and I in fact might be insane, but given the places I hang out and the souls I call friend, it really doesn't matter to me if I am!!

Hope this puts the matter to rest. Monosodium will have to answer on his own behalf.

A


11 Jan 05 - 04:08 PM (#1376915)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Peace

But, sister underhill of the OZite realm: there are TWO armpits.


11 Jan 05 - 04:14 PM (#1376921)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Amos

Yeah, and besides, armpits have names (mine, for example are called Izzy and Wiffy). Even if you don't name yours, they are your "left armpit" and "right armpit". How in the name of all that is perfect you gonna find ineffable ineluctable transcendental union with some Nameable Thing, when everyone knowns the It that is All is No It, Nameless and Perfect in its luminescent Allness of Permanent and all-Transcending Out-Thereness beyond all lines, degrees, kinds, dimensions, names or categories known to us lesser mortals.

No way does it have smelly armpits!!!

A


11 Jan 05 - 04:15 PM (#1376923)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: freda underhill

yes, each armpit is a parallel universe, and we are the mites crawling on the hairs.



Sister Freda of the Little Sisters of the Armpits.


11 Jan 05 - 04:23 PM (#1376929)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Don Firth

"But . . . there are TWO armpits."

That would seem to negate the concept of Oneness. Perhaps that is an illusion!

Don Firth


11 Jan 05 - 04:34 PM (#1376941)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Peace

Must be, Don. Are there not "Twice-told Tales", "Two Years Before the Mast", TWO humps on a Bactrian camel, one lump or TWO my dear, etc? However, are not the above encapsuled in a single post? If there is no tree falling in the forest, does that then mean the lumberjacks are on strike? Are these questions simply facets of a whole? Is this the yin-yang of which our ancestors spoke? Did I do lots of things I shouldn't have in the 1960s? Funny you should ask.


11 Jan 05 - 04:58 PM (#1376959)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Once Famous

Well, I am not at all humbled.

But I could go for a candybar or something about now.


11 Jan 05 - 05:09 PM (#1376968)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Don Firth

"Tea for Two," "A Tale of Two Cities," "It takes two to tango," "Twa Corbies. . . ."

Don Firth


11 Jan 05 - 05:13 PM (#1376973)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Once Famous

Two boots up your decrepit ass.


11 Jan 05 - 05:16 PM (#1376974)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: DougR

LH: your post, January 9, 3:50 PM, first paragraph. You are correct.

DougR


11 Jan 05 - 05:20 PM (#1376977)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Peace

This is the post to which Doug refers:

"So, given those beliefs, Doug's opinions seem entirely just and proper to Doug. Therefore, he can still be a nice guy."

Doug IS a nice guy. I would second that motion anytime.


11 Jan 05 - 05:41 PM (#1376992)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Little Hawk

Yes, Bruce, but the part he was alluding to was the first paragraph, which says:

"Well, yes, Ake, but he (Doug R) honestly believes that the War on Anti-terrorism is a legitimate defence of the USA against evil foreign religious fanatics, and he probably honestly believes also that the USA went into Iraq to "help the people" and to "create democracy". (Ha! Ha! Gasp! Snort! Cough!)

Only I think Doug meant without the laughter at the end... :-)

You see, that is the sort of thing that good citizens and loyal soldiers of aggressor powers usually believe...in all good conscience, given their understanding of the situation. It's the kind of thing Germans believed in 1940, the kind of thing Britons believed when they were exterminating African tribes, the kind of thing the Japanese believed in 1941, the kind of thing loyal Iraqis believed when they attacked Iran, etc, etc, ad infinitum. Nice people can be misled by propaganda and fear tactics again, and again, and again. And their natural instinct is to support their government in what it does overseas or across the border, generally speaking.

It's basic tribal mentality.

As I said before, my tribe includes all people on this planet, not just my own nationality. Therefore, I tend to be a bit unconventional when it comes to things like lining up automatically behind the "home team". (Anyway, I consider it fairly likely that high-up elements in the American government either let 911 happen...or helped it to happen...because it allowed them to scare their public into sanctioning foreign oil wars in strategic areas. I think Bin Laden is an employee and a good buddy of the very people who are pretending to hunt him.)

Well, this thread has been great fun lately.

Don Firth - Your post of 11th Jan at 4:01 was spot on. Very well put!


11 Jan 05 - 05:49 PM (#1377002)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Peace

"Well, yes, Ake, but he (Doug R) honestly believes that the War on Anti-terrorism is a legitimate defence of the USA against evil foreign religious fanatics, and he probably honestly believes also that the USA went into Iraq to "help the people" and to "create democracy". (Ha! Ha! Gasp! Snort! Cough!)

Only I think Doug meant without the laughter at the end... :-)


OK, LH. However, Doug does on occasion get his facts mixed up. Witness the following:

"LH: your post, January 9, 3:50 PM, first paragraph. You are correct.

DougR"

The time of the post was 3:56. (Sorry, Doug, I couldn't resist.)


11 Jan 05 - 06:08 PM (#1377021)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Don Firth

Little Hawk, my tribe also includes all people on this planet—and the peoples of other planets as well, should that prove to be the case, as I don't doubt that we will eventually learn. I am an American by virtue of the fact that I was born in this country, not by blind allegiance. I do not belong to any political party. If I subscribe to a progressive political viewpoint (which I do), it is because I am convinced that this is in the best interests of all peoples. If I rant against the machinations of the Bush administration and similar regimes, it is because I am convinced that they are detrimental to the life and well-being of my tribe. Our tribe. All humanity (not to mention all species).

But this, of course, is only one facet of the role I find I have been given to play.

Don Firth


11 Jan 05 - 06:17 PM (#1377028)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Little Hawk

Yup. That's right, Don.


12 Jan 05 - 01:43 AM (#1377246)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Dewey

Brucie,

I am the Boss of my opinion, DOn't know why you asked for it here?

If wnat you mean is that I should not have given so many paragraphs and analogies to make my point I will concede you are RIGHT!


Amos, sorry! I am a sucker for your posts. Usually when you say something arrogant or condescending, I usually end up saying something arrogant and condescneding in return.

The one post you made that offended me was the follow, "Thanks for the VIVID EXPOSTION DEWEY........ HMMM!!!!!

Like you didn't see any value to anything I had to say. I thought to myself well if he think he is the only one capable of saying anything intelligent let him do all the talking.

After responding with condescencion myself, I eventually wound up back to blogging.

Martin is more consistant than all of us, so I agree with Little Hawk, everyone has their good points.

Amoses education I admire. I am only a school teacher by training, and my education is limited as is my spelling and typing skills. ACtually Amos has a cooler head than me, I am sesentive, ifthe right buttons are pushed you can milk me for all I am worth. And yes, I too still have a problem with ego, If I didn't, I wouldn't have even bothered to reply to this post.

Thanks for the calm and thoughtful reply Amos, I didn't post here outof hate, just agitation as we ALL like to think that what we have to say is important or at least just as importnat as someone else.

No offense, but I know tons of big words too! but knowing them does't make me more intelligent I use them instinctually when I blog from the higher mind, in that way I think they can create intelligents, on a message board they just leave everyone else out of the picture.

Words are no big deal, but its the thought behind the words that matters, chain words together and you have a thought. That's instintually what I do when I write, but htrough all those words, but behind all those words comesthat thoughts and intellignets behind those words, and often those can reflect a thought towards another human bieng that is not always positive.

Dewey


12 Jan 05 - 01:55 AM (#1377250)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Peace

"Brucie,

I am the Boss of my opinion, DOn't know why you asked for it here?"

Dewey,

I am aware you are the boss of your own opinion. However, I don't recall asking for it--although you have every right to give it.


12 Jan 05 - 02:03 AM (#1377253)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Dewey

you asked for everyone's opinion, Didn't you? it is an open forum. If it ISN't OPEN, why did you open up this can of worms in the first place, I gave my reply to thread, if you don't like it well tough beans, your the one that started it for everyone esle.

No hard logic there, so lose the ego trip!

Dewey (and his opinion to this thread posted by the prince of peace BRUCIE)

See I'm starting to sound like martin all the time (less swearing)


12 Jan 05 - 02:09 AM (#1377255)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Amos

Dewey:

I axtually was impressed in the first place.

Not to worry, you're doing great!!

A


12 Jan 05 - 02:13 AM (#1377257)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Dewey

Opps! Bobert started the thread, the wise and humble Dewey will retreat to his cave tonight for much needed rest and deep meditation.

Sorry Brucie!

Dewey (the vibes starved crow eater)


12 Jan 05 - 02:56 AM (#1377268)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Peace

No problem, Dewey.

Bruce


12 Jan 05 - 03:00 AM (#1377270)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: freda underhill

..the whole POINT of the muscular, sweaty hairy entity with two armpits is that there are TWO armpits and that it has a BODY..

b/c oneness is an idea, just an idea.


12 Jan 05 - 03:17 AM (#1377276)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Peace

So that then makes THREE.

"..the whole POINT of the muscular, sweaty hairy entity with two armpits is that there are TWO armpits and that it has a BODY.."

...YDOB a sah ti taht dna stipmra OWT era ereht taht si stipmra owt htiw ytitne yriah ytaews ,ralucsum eht fo TNIOP elohw eht.. I just wanted to see if something would happen if I wrote your post backwards.


12 Jan 05 - 03:27 AM (#1377278)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Peace

Ya know, I am reading many fairly smart people talking about the ego as if it's necessarily a bad thing. Why? As in, 'Who said the ego is a bad thing, and what the heck did they know?'


12 Jan 05 - 03:29 AM (#1377279)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: freda underhill

.eicurb ereht a tniop tog uoy


12 Jan 05 - 07:18 AM (#1377303)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: GUEST,Giok After the power cut

I like a girl with a nice pair of pits;~)
Giok


12 Jan 05 - 08:19 AM (#1377317)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: GUEST

WE have just the religion for you, Giok!!

A


12 Jan 05 - 08:58 AM (#1377328)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: GUEST,JennyO

Amos, would you by any chance be referring to the Temple of the Golden Globes?


12 Jan 05 - 09:06 AM (#1377334)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: GUEST

I am, indeed, ma'am! I am a fond supporter, as well as being one of their foundation garments.


A


12 Jan 05 - 09:11 AM (#1377336)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: GUEST,JennyO

That must have been a very uplifting experience for you...


12 Jan 05 - 09:20 AM (#1377340)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: GUEST,Giok After the power cut

Thank you for your warm support, [supports?];~)
Giok


12 Jan 05 - 09:20 AM (#1377341)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: GUEST,Amos

I'll say!! It was a handful, not to put too fine a point on it. Took me a while to get my wits around it and realize how blessed I was!! A sensitive subject, for me, but a delightful one.


A


12 Jan 05 - 10:24 AM (#1377355)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: GUEST,Brucie

And we think it's a bad thing for someone to act like a boob. Huh.


12 Jan 05 - 11:26 AM (#1377369)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: GUEST

Some days you feel like a boob,
SOme days you feel one.

Pierre Mammaire, 1902-1986, Institiute of Mammary Joy founder


12 Jan 05 - 11:51 AM (#1377382)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Georgiansilver

BRA-vo! Support where needed I say!
Best wishes.


12 Jan 05 - 11:59 AM (#1377391)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Don Firth

I just checked in this morning to keep abreast of the discussion. . . .

Don Firth


12 Jan 05 - 12:20 PM (#1377417)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Bill D

*cue background music*..John Hartford singing "I'm Gonna See You Get That Golden Globes Award"

followed by his rendition of "Have Mercy on My Poor Old Prurient Interest"


12 Jan 05 - 01:23 PM (#1377471)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: John MacKenzie

My wife has just traded in her 'Upper decker flopper stopper' for one of those new fangled 'Over the shoulder boulder holders' I was confused enough first time I met one that fastened at the front, and the young lady who was wearing it laughed at me!! As Bing used to almost say, 'Fangs for the Mammaries'.
Giok


12 Jan 05 - 01:25 PM (#1377473)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: John MacKenzie

P>S> Have we drifted from one pair of tits to another?
Giok (¦¬]>


12 Jan 05 - 01:31 PM (#1377481)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Amos

Giok:

That's the whole idea of the Temple, mon!! :D

A


12 Jan 05 - 02:46 PM (#1377542)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Once Famous

Nice to see this is now about tits.


12 Jan 05 - 03:16 PM (#1377577)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Little Hawk

Oneness is not an idea, freda, it's a fact. Multiplicity could just as well be called an idea...an idea in the Mind of Oneness. Or multiplicity could be called a fact. Or it could be called many facts. All such descriptions would be accurate from a particular vantage point of perception.

One vantage point of perception see Oneness, another sees multiplicity, and still another sees BOTH of those simultaneously.

The sum of all the separated things is the Oneness that they all are. Existence itself is the Oneness. Perception is the Oneness. Without perception you would be completely unaware of the multiplicity of apparently separated phenomena all around us and within us. To be aware of them ALL simultaneously would be to experience the Oneness that they are. And that is exactly what occurs at a certain stage of enlightenment, according to what I know. I haven't yet achieved that, but I know about it.

Similarly, I haven't yet achieved the ability to play the Mark Knopfler guitar solo in "Sultans of Swing", but I know about it. It's real, and so is the Oneness. The Oneness is an enlarged state of awareness that reaches out way beyond normal ego identification.

Martin - I like female breasts best when they are in the moderately small to medium-sized range, with fairly prominent nipples. How about you?

(something for everyone, right?)


12 Jan 05 - 03:25 PM (#1377587)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: freda underhill

"even if the lotus born brahama says something illogical, it should be rejected like a straw..."


12 Jan 05 - 03:32 PM (#1377594)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Little Hawk

Fine. Say something illogical, and I'll reject it. :-)


12 Jan 05 - 03:35 PM (#1377597)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: John MacKenzie

I'll vote for the prominent nipples.

>>>>>>>>

Giok


12 Jan 05 - 03:37 PM (#1377601)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Little Hawk

I thought that would ring a few familiar bells out there...


12 Jan 05 - 04:19 PM (#1377640)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: GUEST

"Nice to see this is now about tits." says mg. When wasn't it?


12 Jan 05 - 04:22 PM (#1377646)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Once Famous

When it was about Amos' scrotum, of course.


12 Jan 05 - 04:38 PM (#1377662)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Rustic Rebel

I thought it was about a pair of boobs. (smile...)


12 Jan 05 - 05:13 PM (#1377695)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Bobert

Well, well, well...

Looks as if there quite a number of folks posturing to take on the winner of the Amos/Martin whacko match...

Quite a few...

Bobert (who originated this thread with the thought(?) that it would get a half a dozen hits and drop off the bottom into Max's black hole of crappy threads...)


12 Jan 05 - 07:37 PM (#1377744)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: beardedbruce

but we have shown that Amos and Martin are ONE....


12 Jan 05 - 09:26 PM (#1377850)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: JennyO

I thought it was about the Oneness of giant hairy armpits and other things that come in twos - or was that the Twoness?....


12 Jan 05 - 09:51 PM (#1377867)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Peace

But Grasshopperette, can there BE a Twoness in the Universal Oneness? For example, what WOULD chairs look like if your knees bent the other way? What DOES the owner of a Xoloitzcuintle do when he has a hangover? These are questions of great import. I have no answers except to opine that the Twoness of the Oneness will provide for a sense of Threeness. Eventually, we will discover there is a Lochness, and then this thread will become totally incomprehensible.

Play ball!


12 Jan 05 - 10:12 PM (#1377878)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: JennyO

Ah, but of course there is a Twoness in the Universal Oneness! It's the Yin and Yang, the Light and Dark, the Male and Female, the Good and Evil, the Left Tit and Right Tit, and all that sort of stuff! And what would chairs look like if kangaroos sat on them (before they break)?

I can't quite imagine a Threeness. There doesn't seem to be any sense of Balance to it. On the other hand, the Fourness of the Great Turtle A'Tuin is something on which to ponder.

So many things to think about - the Loch Ness, the Inverness, the drunkenness, the Eliot Ness - my head hurts and I hear ringing - no wait, that's the telephone. Do you think it's a case of Hyper-Cerebral Electrosis? Do you think my head is going to spontaneously combust?

Suddenly I have an uncontrollable urge to go and eat donuts. Excuse me while I..........


12 Jan 05 - 10:25 PM (#1377886)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Peace

"combust"

A word expressing Oneness about a Twoness.

You have DONE it.


12 Jan 05 - 10:32 PM (#1377888)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: JennyO

Why, so I have, she said, picking herself up off the floor.


12 Jan 05 - 11:10 PM (#1377912)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Amos

Well, excep that when you notice that the twonesses you list above have all been identified by Thou, you notice the essential third part, and thus Threeness.


A


12 Jan 05 - 11:13 PM (#1377915)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Peace

Oneness and Twoness and Threeness is Sixness. My G A W D! Where will this LEAD?


12 Jan 05 - 11:28 PM (#1377921)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: pdq

'the difference between essence and quintessence is quadressence'


12 Jan 05 - 11:37 PM (#1377925)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Peace

Every now and then someone says something that ya look at and go, "Wish I'd said that." Nice one, pdq. Brilliant. BM


13 Jan 05 - 12:17 AM (#1377936)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: JennyO

Then it must follow that quintessence + essence = sexessence, and there you have it - the sixness. Ah, it all starts to make sense now! I knew sex had something to do with it.


13 Jan 05 - 12:24 AM (#1377939)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Peace

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


13 Jan 05 - 12:32 AM (#1377942)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: JennyO

You know, I'm beginning to think that this is BS worthy of

THE MOAB!!!


13 Jan 05 - 12:51 AM (#1377949)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Peace

So, like, I gotta see if I got this right.

One tie and Two ties and Three ties would be the Six ties.

Yeah. GOT IT, GOT IT, GOT IT. It's the SIXTIES.


13 Jan 05 - 12:57 AM (#1377956)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: JennyO

WOW!!!!!!!!

COSMIC, MAN!!!!!!!!!!


13 Jan 05 - 02:12 AM (#1377974)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: dianavan

I think Amos has a lot of friends so if he is crazy at least he is in good company. If he's rich we can call him eccentric, if he's poor we can call him crazy. He would never be mistaken for insane.

Martin claims he is, "... quite outspoken in real life..." but it is hard to believe anyone would want to be associated with such negativity, especially women (of any age). I hesitate to say more because I don't want to seem like I'm bullying him as I think he has had his fair share of rejection in his life. He is so needy that he relishes any attention he gets whether it is negative or positive. He he has stated this himself.

He was probably bullied and/or abused as a child. His behaviour is learned behaviour. He wasn't born that way. Pity him and if he bothers you, ignore him. He hates being ignored. Just be happy that he is confined to the net and not living next door.


13 Jan 05 - 08:42 AM (#1378047)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: GUEST

What about the Irties I take one every half hour myself, and by half past nine in the morning I'm on my ninth Irty.

Giok
I'll get my straightjacket.


13 Jan 05 - 08:49 AM (#1378052)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: GUEST,Wolfgang

What is more than a sixness or a sexessence?
A sexexcess.
And what part of that do I have to give the government?
The sexexcise.

Wolfgang


13 Jan 05 - 09:07 AM (#1378059)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: GUEST,Giok After the power cut

Do you mean f**k the government?


13 Jan 05 - 11:44 AM (#1378078)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Once Famous

dianavan can speculate and guess all she wants.

For me, I know for a fact and reliable sources that she is a nasty and bitter old witch of a man hater.

Had a shitty divorce, was dumped, and is still acting it out.

Know it for a fact.


13 Jan 05 - 11:45 AM (#1378079)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: pdq

patchouli oil, thought by some to be 'the sex essence' of the sixties, comes from a plant in the family Labiatae


13 Jan 05 - 12:20 PM (#1378128)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Don Firth

I don't know about onenis and threenis, but Tunis is the capitol of Tunisia, and it's located quite near the site of the ancient city of Carthage. Hail Sneezer!!

Don Firth


13 Jan 05 - 12:25 PM (#1378134)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Amos

Martin:

Your notion of fact is shaky.

It is confused with opinions and evaluations and plain old reactionary knee-jerk negative emotions.

Facts are things that are real and can be detected by others.

Never mind. I am sure you don't understand what I am saying, even though I do not knwo it for a fact.

A


13 Jan 05 - 12:43 PM (#1378157)
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From: Once Famous

I understand complete what you are saying, even when you can't spell properly.

Your notion of life outside of the Internet is even shakier.

Just because I have facts doesn't mean that you are entitled to them.

Too bad.


13 Jan 05 - 01:16 PM (#1378192)
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From: GUEST,Diogenes

"Just because I have facts doesn't mean that you are entitled to them."

What the hell does THAT mean? Facts are facts, and they belong to everyone. Or is Martin Gibson just talking about "facts" that he makes up?

Martin Gibson's posts contain all the intellectual content and social grace of a loud belch.


13 Jan 05 - 01:19 PM (#1378198)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Amos

Martin:

You are even more mistaken than I thought!!

Too bad.

For the guy who invvented the "sceptic pencil", I don't see where you have grounds from which to criticize typing errors. Not that that has ever stopped your bludgeoning and abuse in the past.

Hey!! I got an idea!!! I should buy you a copy of Dale Carnegie for Passover. Just the thing, man!! Right up your alley!! And you know which alley I'm talking about, right?

A


13 Jan 05 - 01:49 PM (#1378251)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: s6k

why do ytou make a big deel of speeling? its not importent its a website, not a speelign competishion


13 Jan 05 - 02:08 PM (#1378271)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Amos

Exackerly, s6K. Its kno big deel, an martin shuld just shut up abou t it.

A


13 Jan 05 - 02:22 PM (#1378287)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: GUEST

Martin Gibson is our resident psychopath. He knows very little about music, doesn't actually play much and is not a jewish married man from chicago. He has been here many years pathetically trying to belong after railing at the regulars for a long time. His psychopathy is the only consistent thing about him. He is a pathetic shell of a near-human being who needs to walk in front of a bus.


13 Jan 05 - 02:51 PM (#1378327)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Once Famous

right, Guest

and you are a hermophodite capable of fucking yourself.

LOL

Amos, you are a snob and a real life Internet loser. BTW, it's a folk music website, not a political website and your politics mean less to the world than to even to me.

Amos, you are about as intellectual as a used condom.


13 Jan 05 - 02:58 PM (#1378335)
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From: freda underhill

these comments are disarming. i myself think martin is pretty armless.

its amazing how a group of random people speculating on the computer can resolve the great questions of the universe - and so logically.

which brings us back to the sixties.


13 Jan 05 - 03:00 PM (#1378341)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Once Famous

I'm not armless.

Freda, do you smoke as much dope as in the 60s?


13 Jan 05 - 04:11 PM (#1378404)
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From: Amos

Martin, I am open to suggestions.

If you have anything constructive to say, then say it.

Are you capable of such a thing?

Anyway, if you ever get tired of inventing groundless and abusive remarks to throw at others for sport, or whatever your twisted motiviation is, do let me know.

Until then, I yam done with you.


A


13 Jan 05 - 04:28 PM (#1378421)
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From: Once Famous

Thanks, Amos

I never even began with you, Amos
Here's something constructive:

dump truck
steam roller
power shovel
building materials

Also, a napkin for the spittle on your chin.


13 Jan 05 - 06:29 PM (#1378531)
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From: Amos

Go pull chains somehwere else, Martin. All I have for you is a sorry sigh, and a teaspoon of tepid spittle. You are worth no more while you maintain this antisocial veneer, which you so pathologically enjoy.

Some day, wake up.

Some day, notice that the people you reach out to here are mostly decent and mostly deserving of better than you give them, and in no way needing or deserving to be harassed for your criminal amusement. Why does it benefit you to laugh at other people? Where's the strength in violating others' trust and openness, in making the world a little nastier than it would be otherwise?

Seems sick to me, is what.

A


13 Jan 05 - 06:37 PM (#1378539)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Little Hawk

If only, if only Penelope Rutledge and Martin could get to verbal grips with one another!

Alas, she does not seem to be interested in him. Or else she has somehow missed his presence, but that hardly seems likely.

She has sparred with Amos on at least a few occasions.


13 Jan 05 - 06:42 PM (#1378544)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Amos

I think by training and inclination as a privileged Brit is inclined to avoid stink and bad odour wherever she encounters it.

A


13 Jan 05 - 06:43 PM (#1378547)
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From: Georgiansilver

This thread seems to have degenerated into its own brand of insanity.
Is everyone enjoying themselves? Call it fun or sport or whatever..I'm not too sure that it is useful for anyone.
Perhaps it should die a death...........
Best wishes.


13 Jan 05 - 06:45 PM (#1378553)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Little Hawk

"Useful"??? WE don't need no steenkin' usefuls!


13 Jan 05 - 06:58 PM (#1378575)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: beardedbruce

"Some day, notice that the people you reach out to here are mostly decent and mostly deserving of better than you give them, and in no way needing or deserving to be harassed for your criminal amusement. Why does it benefit you to laugh at other people? Where's the strength in violating others' trust and openness, in making the world a little nastier than it would be otherwise?

Seems sick to me, is what."


Very good, Amos. Now try applying it to your closed-minded, bigoted comments about anyone who dares to have an opinion that does not support your own warped view of the world...


13 Jan 05 - 07:00 PM (#1378578)
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From: Little Hawk

Zing! Whack! Biff! Slap!


13 Jan 05 - 07:20 PM (#1378598)
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From: Donuel

I'm not good with names but a name like Amos really clicked since I always felt entertained and in the presence of a very clever intelligence.

Martin reminds me of some former clients in therapy that would dare me to help them and would then try to make me feel sorry for trying.


13 Jan 05 - 08:37 PM (#1378650)
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From: Amos

Unless you can offer specifics, Martin, I don't think there is any merit to your remarks, just more of that ugly "nullify vibe" that you seem to live with in your head. My harshest comments are reserved for those who cause hurt to others in the world without cause, such as yourself in your little way and your Fur-less Leader in a much larger way...a man who cannot make his peace with horses, and yet has no compunction about bombing his own species all to hell and gone is a pretty messed up man.

ANyway, this is the last of your ugly communications I am going to answer. You never address my points, nor try to understand my view, nor try to get anyone else to truly understand yours. So you're not here to communicate, you're just jacking off in your own perverse way. I wish you the joy of it.

A


13 Jan 05 - 08:45 PM (#1378655)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Amos

Sorry -- my error -- it was BB who made the hostile remarks, not Martin.

I think somewhere back down the trail, Bruce, I said something that you found hurtful, and if so, I apologize.

ANd that's about all I have to say here.

A


13 Jan 05 - 08:54 PM (#1378665)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: dianavan

I've never met Martin so I don't know why he thinks he has the facts on me.

I did divorce (30 years ago) but I still spend time with my ex. I don't think anyone would call our relationship shitty or bitter. Don't remember being dumped by anyone significant either.

Martin seems to live in a world where the facts are based on his    limited imagination.


14 Jan 05 - 11:11 AM (#1378936)
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From: Georgiansilver

"All part of the rich tapestry that is life"
Best wishes.


14 Jan 05 - 11:50 AM (#1378972)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Once Famous

dianavan, right you've never met me yet you sure have dished itout against me and my family and have made some wild speculations about MY life. so take some of your same medicine, bitch.


amos

beardedbruce has a problem with you. Others do also. tou have a head like a brick.

anyone with any degree of sanity has a problem with your doper politics and obsession with them.


14 Jan 05 - 12:08 PM (#1378989)
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From: Once Famous

Amos for someone who says they are "done with me" you in your obsessive doper political cloud sure came right back for your dose of masochistic tush whipping.

I would say that your compulsive habits need some help.


14 Jan 05 - 12:33 PM (#1379017)
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From: Little Hawk

Whacko! Kick! Gouge!

Will Amos step back into the ring yet again???? Or will this grudge match be stopped by the ref? Tune in in a few microseconds and find out!!!

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14 Jan 05 - 12:39 PM (#1379025)
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From: Once Famous

I'll take a mangoshake. sounds good.


14 Jan 05 - 12:48 PM (#1379030)
Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: John MacKenzie

We've had quite nice weather today, a bit of early frost that was gone by lunchtime. The forcast for the weekend is for some rain and high winds, still another 3 months at least before we can say goodbye to winter. I'm looking forward to my trip to Portaferry Norn Iron in 3 weeks time.
Giok


14 Jan 05 - 01:20 PM (#1379057)
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From: Alba

It has rained all day here in Maine John and now the temps are dropping quickly...from 50s to 20s before late this afternoon...hope the weather stays clear of snow though before I go to Denmark on Wednesday...yippeee... to sing and Play my head off for 3 weeks to finish "The CD"
Have a great time at Portaferry and say hello to Skarpi for me eh!
Blessings
Jude


15 Jan 05 - 12:10 PM (#1379420)
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From: Georgiansilver

We have had blue sky here today...a little on the cold side but well bearable..better than snow and ice like last year.
Best wishes.


15 Jan 05 - 12:19 PM (#1379428)
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From: Little Hawk

It's cold here, but not bad. Fairly sunny today.