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Recording of Golden Vanity

29 Sep 98 - 04:55 AM (#39868)
Subject: Recording of Golden Vanity
From: skw@

I have 'The Golden Vanity', sung by Gordon Bok, taped from the radio in 1978 or so. I love the recording and would like to find the album or CD it is on. I've tried the Forum Search and Universal CDs (I think) in vain. Can anyone point me in the right direction, or perhaps just give the album title and year? Thanks! - Susanne


29 Sep 98 - 07:35 AM (#39877)
Subject: RE: Recording of Golden Vanity
From: Ralph Butts

Folk-Legacy Records has lots of Gordon Bok. You can find The Golden Vanity on "The First Fifteen Years, vol 2" (Bok, Muir, Trickett). See the description at:

http://www.folklegacy.com/cd/tbm.htm

....Tiger


29 Sep 98 - 08:20 AM (#39882)
Subject: RE: Recording of Golden Vanity
From: Bob Schwarer

Rory Block does a great version. I don't know which recording tho.

Bob S.


30 Sep 98 - 01:39 AM (#39996)
Subject: RE: Recording of Golden Vanity
From: Craig

The Brothers Four(I believe) also recorded another version. I think I have on a CD,but it's at my brothers.


30 Sep 98 - 01:53 AM (#39998)
Subject: RE: Recording of Golden Vanity
From: Terry

Rory's is on her compilation CD "Best Blues and Originals"


30 Sep 98 - 01:59 AM (#40001)
Subject: RE: Recording of Golden Vanity
From: BSeed

I think I first heard it by Burl Ives about 40 years ago. --seed


30 Sep 98 - 02:57 AM (#40004)
Subject: RE: Recording of Golden Vanity
From: Tim Jaques tjaques@netcom.ca

In some versions the ship is called The Sweet Trinity.


30 Sep 98 - 12:27 PM (#40030)
Subject: RE: Recording of Golden Vanity
From: folk1234

The Chad Mitchell Trio did a faster and more bouncy version of this on one of their albums of the mid-late 60's. Their harmonies, of course, were great. I have it somewhere.


30 Sep 98 - 05:14 PM (#40057)
Subject: RE: Recording of Golden Vanity
From: Bruce O.

The Sweet Trinity is the name of the ship in the original broadside, ZN2370 in the index on my website. It was printed June-Nov., 1685. (Child #286)


01 Oct 98 - 12:01 AM (#40115)
Subject: RE: Recording of Golden Vanity
From: Craig

folk1234-I believe your right. It is the Chad Mitchell Trio version I have. Sorry to try to steer you wrong.

Craig


01 Oct 98 - 05:04 PM (#40213)
Subject: RE: Recording of Golden Vanity
From: rechal

Caryl P. Weiss also sings it (accompanied by Dennis Gormley, who occasionally posts on Mudcat) on her album (which is probably out of print) entitled, "With Her Head Tucked Underneath Her Arm."


01 Oct 98 - 05:37 PM (#40222)
Subject: RE: Recording of Golden Vanity
From: greg

Steeleye Span have done a great version of it (I'm not really biased!) its on an "various artists" album called "The Best of British Folk Rock" by Park Records (www.parkrecords.com) nice plug there.


06 Oct 98 - 05:06 AM (#40526)
Subject: RE: Recording of Golden Vanity
From: skw@

Thanks to you all. I've no doubt there are great versions around - it is a very colourful song, and I also have 'The Sweet Kumadie' by Ewan MacColl. However, all I want is a decent quality copy of Gordon Bok's version because even in the very bad copy I have the combination of the events and the voice makes my hair stand on end every time I listen to it. I should be able to find it now! - Susanne


06 Oct 98 - 10:31 AM (#40546)
Subject: RE: Recording of Golden Vanity
From: Stacy

Has anyone heard the version of this song done by 'Three Sheets to the Wind'? What a great name for a three person band whose focus is sea shantys! I forget the female vocalist's name, but she has a powerhouse of a voice!

Stacy


18 Oct 05 - 08:39 PM (#1585782)
Subject: RE: Recording of Golden Vanity
From: GUEST,phloodleduck

I heard the golden vanity recorded on the very first record I ever owned. It was sung by a man I think was Paul Evans. There were other ballads on the record, but I can't get them off the tip of my toung into this message. The singer played a a regular guitar and had no back-up singers. I really miss that record. A large part of the attraction was the fact that another song had the phrase "damn his eyes" which was really racy in my conservative upbringing. Does anyone have an idea about the record, singer, or a web site and key phrases that I should enter. I'm not computer smart and would appreciate any help.


18 Oct 05 - 09:43 PM (#1585835)
Subject: RE: Recording of Golden Vanity
From: Maryrrf

I remember that record. My dad had it. The song you're referring to is "The Ballad of Sam Hall". I think the words are in the DT. I found Paul's website http://www.paulevans.com . Looks like he did a lot more pop than folk, but the album you're referrin to is "Folk Songs of Many Lands". I loved his version of "The Golden Vanity". As a matter of fact I recorded that song on my CD and it's very similar to Paul's version - you can listen to a couple of lines here: http://www.maryfsmith.freeservers.com/recordings.htm .


18 Oct 05 - 09:45 PM (#1585837)
Subject: RE: Recording of Golden Vanity
From: Peace

I entered

golden vanity, recording, evans

in a Google search. See if that helps you. If I can help further, post back here.


18 Oct 05 - 09:47 PM (#1585840)
Subject: RE: Recording of Golden Vanity
From: Peace

Sorry Maryrrf. Cross posted. The google I did took me to the same site.


19 Oct 05 - 12:12 AM (#1585916)
Subject: RE: Recording of Golden Vanity
From: DonMeixner

My favorite Golden Vanity is the version Art Thieme sings. Just different enough to be memorable.

Don


19 Oct 05 - 01:35 AM (#1585941)
Subject: RE: Recording of Golden Vanity
From: Roberto

Among the many recordings of this ballad, The Sweet Trinity (The Golden Vanity) (Child #286), I would suggest the following from traditional and revival singers:
Traditional singers:

The Golden Victory (Dodie Chalmers)
The Golden Vanity (Bill Cameron)
The Golden Vanity (Johnny Doughty)
The Golden Vanity (Duncan Williamson)
The Golden Willow Tree (Justus Begley)
A Ship Set Sail For North America (Ollie Jacobs)
Merry Golden Tree (Almeda Riddle)
Lowland Low (Frank Proffitt)
The Lowlands Low (Warde Ford)
The Golden Vanity (Doug Wallin)
The Merry Golden Tree (Jean Ritchie)
The Turkish Rebelee (Horton Barker)

Revival singers:
The Golden Vanity (A. L. Lloyd)
The Golden Vanitee (Tony Rose)
The Sweet Kumadee (Ewan MacColl)
The Sweet Kumadie (Ian Manuel)
The Sweet Kumadee (Tom Spiers – The Gaugers)
The Old Virginia Lowlands (Martin Carthy & John Kirkpatrick – Brass Monkey)
The Golden Vanity (Jez Lowe)
The Green Willow Tree (Brian Peters & Gordon Tyrrall)
The Turkish Revery (Daithi Sproule)
Turkey Reveille (Barbara Dane)
The Golden Vanity (Paul Wilson, Dead Maid's Land)
The Golden Vanity (Martyn Wyndham-Read)
The Turkish Revelee (Paul Clayton)
Sinking in the Lonesome Sea (The Carter Family)
Sinking in the Lonesome Sea (The New Lost City Ramblers)
The Golden Vanity (Jody Stecher)
The Golden Vanity (Alan Mills)


19 Oct 05 - 08:48 AM (#1586118)
Subject: RE: Recording of Golden Vanity
From: bill kennedy

Susan Reed did a lovely version on one of her albums


19 Oct 05 - 10:46 AM (#1586194)
Subject: RE: Recording of Golden Vanity
From: GUEST,Art Thieme

Don, thanks. That's nice to know. My rendition of the Golden Vanity (recorded live at the Walnut Valley Festival in Winfield, Kansas) will be on a planned CD to be called "Art Thieme--On The River" which Sandy Paton will be issuing down the road on Folk Legacy Records.

That will be after the CD called " A.T.--Chicago Town And Points West" comes out.

Art Thieme


19 Oct 05 - 07:34 PM (#1586598)
Subject: RE: Recording of Golden Vanity
From: Peter T.

Not to mention Richard Dyer-Bennett.

yours,

Peter T.


19 Oct 05 - 07:49 PM (#1586609)
Subject: RE: Recording of Golden Vanity
From: GUEST,Scott S.

both Joan Baez and Carolyn Hester did lovely versions of this song in the 60's.


19 Oct 05 - 09:07 PM (#1586659)
Subject: RE: Recording of Golden Vanity
From: Stilly River Sage

My father sang a very nice version of the song. Often times it was while he was sitting on the side of the bed at bedtime, and he sang several requests for each of us (he also had us pinned by the sheets as a captive audience when he was learning new songs).

SRS


19 Oct 05 - 09:26 PM (#1586666)
Subject: RE: Recording of Golden Vanity
From: Stilly River Sage

I should add that he learned the words he sang from the Penguin Book of English Folksongs.


19 Apr 09 - 08:55 PM (#2614718)
Subject: RE: Recording of Golden Vanity
From: GUEST,spiriteagle20

Paul Evans Folk Songs From many Lands includes Golden Vanity


19 Apr 09 - 09:18 PM (#2614724)
Subject: RE: Recording of Golden Vanity
From: GUEST,Frank Lee

Lonnie Donegan recorded this. I had a copy, on a 78 I think.


20 Apr 09 - 03:07 PM (#2615033)
Subject: RE: Recording of Golden Vanity
From: Leadbelly

Frank, thanks for mentioning Lonnie's version! Where have all british mudcatters been from 98 to 05?


20 Apr 09 - 03:16 PM (#2615040)
Subject: RE: Recording of Golden Vanity
From: Zhenya

Bruce Molsky's version of this is called The Golden Willow Tree, and it's on his album Soon Be Time.


20 Apr 09 - 03:25 PM (#2615051)
Subject: RE: Recording of Golden Vanity
From: GUEST,Doc John

There's a rather odd version by Woody & Cisco. The best imho is by Jez Lowe.
Doc John


20 Apr 09 - 06:24 PM (#2615183)
Subject: RE: Recording of Golden Vanity
From: Stewie

The rendition by Babara Dane, listed above by Roberto and titled 'Turkey Reveille', is first rate.

--Stewie.


20 Apr 09 - 06:32 PM (#2615187)
Subject: RE: Recording of Golden Vanity
From: bodgie

There is a wonderful Australian version recorded from Simon McDonald and released as a field recording in the late 1950s on 'Traditional Singers & Musicians of Victoria'. It has been reissued. I subsequently recorded his version on my 1969 LP 'Limejuice & Vinegar' (EMI then reissued on Larrikin). It has (last week) been included in my 10CD set 'Australia: Its Folk Songs & Bush Verse' (ABC Music). The tradition lives and rolls down through time.


20 Apr 09 - 06:35 PM (#2615190)
Subject: RE: Recording of Golden Vanity
From: Murray MacLeod

Roger McGuinn's version of Golden Vanity is superb, as of course is everything that Roger McGuinn has ever recorded.

Most of what Martin Simpson has recorded is magnificent as well, but unfortunately not his rendition of Golden Vanity, about which the less said the better.


20 Apr 09 - 06:38 PM (#2615191)
Subject: RE: Recording of Golden Vanity
From: GUEST,TJ in San Diego

I have been told that the late John Jacob Niles recorded this one, probably in the 1930's or '40's. Can anyone confirm?


20 Apr 09 - 06:59 PM (#2615200)
Subject: RE: Recording of Golden Vanity
From: Don Firth

"The Golden Vanity" was one of the first songs I learned back in the mists of antiquity (early 1950s). I learned it from one of Richard Dyer-Bennet's records. Nice version. But I had to sing it about seven octaves down.

Don Firth


19 Aug 10 - 02:05 AM (#2968377)
Subject: RE: Recording of Golden Vanity
From: tdcrjeff

Version by Crooked Still on their new album "Some Strange Country."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4J9ZV62vBs


19 Aug 10 - 04:41 AM (#2968438)
Subject: RE: Recording of Golden Vanity
From: MGM·Lion

A propos this & another current thread, Folk Learned At School: The Golden Vanity was in one of the school songbooks ~~ I think one edited by Walford Davies, Master Of The King's Music in 1930s ~~ in use at Northampton Town & County School in about 1942. It is a widespread and well-known [even to children] ballad, by no means obscure, and so of course much recorded.

~Michael~


19 Aug 10 - 07:13 AM (#2968500)
Subject: RE: Recording of Golden Vanity
From: kendall

Does anyone know what happened to Caryl P. Weiss?


19 Aug 10 - 07:28 AM (#2968510)
Subject: RE: Recording of Golden Vanity
From: Zen

I quite like the version sung by Rory Block as well.


19 Aug 10 - 10:51 AM (#2968631)
Subject: RE: Recording of Golden Vanity
From: alex s

Brian Peters does a great version of this


19 Aug 10 - 01:32 PM (#2968732)
Subject: RE: Recording of Golden Vanity
From: GUEST,Paul Slade

Loudon Wainwright IIi does it as "The Turkish Revelry" on Hal Wilmer's magnificent Rogues' Gallery compilation. And Alisdair Roberts has an excellent version on his new CD, Too Long in This Condition.


19 Aug 10 - 11:35 PM (#2969104)
Subject: RE: Recording of Golden Vanity
From: Larry The Radio Guy

The first version of the song I ever heard was Lonnie Donegan's. I think it was the "b" side of either My Old Man's a Dustman, or Does Your Chewing Gum Lose It's Flavour.


20 Aug 10 - 10:43 PM (#2969799)
Subject: RE: Recording of Golden Vanity
From: Anglo

To answer Kendall above:

Caryl P. Weiss lived in Texas for many years but moved back east not too long ago, 2 or 3 years maybe. She lives around Annapolis now and is still singing. Possibly she has done the odd reunion gig with the Liverpool Judies, but I heard Teresa Pyott just had bypass surgery.

Caryl was a featured performer at the Chicago Maritime Festival this last February, which is where I last saw her.


20 Aug 10 - 11:43 PM (#2969823)
Subject: RE: Recording of Golden Vanity
From: Mike in Brunswick

To add yet another name to the list of those recording The Golden Vanity - Pete Seeger on one of his American Ballads records.

Mike


20 Aug 10 - 11:50 PM (#2969826)
Subject: RE: Recording of Golden Vanity
From: raredance

Australian folksinger Lionel Long had a version on his 1964 "Songs of the Sea" LP


23 Jul 18 - 10:22 AM (#3938966)
Subject: RE: Recording of Golden Vanity
From: Jim Carroll

There's a bit of serendipity if you like - even if it is only from someone trying to sell something

I am at present assembling a file of recordings of Irish versions of the Child ballads for distribution to interested parties
I am told there is a recording of an Irish source singer singing The Golden Vanity - damned if I can find it
As I'm trying to show the historical existence of these ballads in the Irish tradition, I'm not interested in modern renditions which are copies from other traditions
I would also be happy to find a published text and tune
I wonder if any ballad buff can help
I thought there might be an American version taken ove by Emigrants -drew a blank on that too
I know there is an early 20th century parody of the ballad from Joyce's Ancient Music of Ireland entitled 'Lowlands Low' but nothing more
Any help would be very much appreciated and anybody interested in a copy of the project is very welcome to have on - PM me
Thanks
Jim Carroll


23 Jul 18 - 11:16 AM (#3938986)
Subject: RE: Recording of Golden Vanity
From: Pamela R

>I thought there might be an American version taken ove by Emigrants -drew a blank on that too

Jean Ritchie had it as "The Golden Vanity"
Alameda Riddle had it as "The merry willow tree"
I'm not aware of whether either of them was descended from Irish vs Scottish ancestry.

I can't recall a primary field recording from Ireland offhand, the geographically closest I can think of is Dodie Chalmers of Turriff, Aberdeenshire.   But it could be under so many different names it's hard to search for it. See the long list at:
http://www.fresnostate.edu/folklore/ballads/C286.html

P

Also


23 Jul 18 - 11:48 AM (#3938999)
Subject: RE: Recording of Golden Vanity
From: Jim Carroll

Thanks Pamela
I don't think either had roots in Ireland
I've been though all the major American collections we have on the shelf
I'll check though your list
Much appreeciated
Jim


23 Jul 18 - 01:18 PM (#3939016)
Subject: RE: Recording of Golden Vanity
From: Reinhard

When I search for "Roud 122" and "Ireland" in the Roud Database, I find only one entry of The Golden Vanity:

The Golden Vanity
Roud Folksong Index (S384021)

First Line
    There was a gallant ship sailed on the Lowland Sea
Roud No
    122
Other nums
    Child 286
Source
    Kane, Songs & Sayings of an Ulster Childhood (1983) pp.130-131
Performer
    Kane, Alice
Place
    Northern Ireland : Belfast / Canada : Ontario : Toronto


23 Jul 18 - 01:36 PM (#3939018)
Subject: RE: Recording of Golden Vanity
From: Jim Carroll

Reihardt
I found that one (we have the book) Extremly frustrating - it quotes a conversation including a couple of verses - no information of souce
I think what I am going to have to do is wait till the Irish folklore department comes out of hinernation I am going to have to ask them which one Tom Munnelly (my source and late friend) was referring to
For anybody interested, i've now found over fifty examples of recordings of the Child ballads from the tradition and several in print
A little overwhelming
Thanks for your help
Jim


24 Jul 18 - 06:25 AM (#3939122)
Subject: RE: Recording of Golden Vanity
From: GUEST,Martin Ryan

Jim

The one in Joyce is the well-known “men enough in Galway/Galloway...” song. It’s in his “Old Irish Music and Song” and notes its earlier publication in Ancient Irish Music.

Regards


24 Jul 18 - 07:39 AM (#3939131)
Subject: RE: Recording of Golden Vanity
From: clueless don

So - going back to the inquiry in the original post in this thread:

Did Gordon Bok ever record it?


24 Jul 18 - 08:47 AM (#3939137)
Subject: RE: Recording of Golden Vanity
From: Manitas_at_home

Lankum (formerly Lynched) have recorded this as The Turkish Reveille but I notice a version by Barbara Dane has already been listed above.


24 Jul 18 - 09:28 AM (#3939145)
Subject: RE: Recording of Golden Vanity
From: GUEST,Reinhard

The Golden Vanity feat. Gordon Bok


25 Jul 18 - 08:30 AM (#3939327)
Subject: RE: Recording of Golden Vanity
From: clueless don

Thank you! Good grief, I have that album! Guess I haven't listened to it in a while.

Don


25 Jul 18 - 08:53 AM (#3939336)
Subject: RE: Recording of Golden Vanity
From: Jim Carroll

“men enough in Galway/Galloway...”
That's Lowlands of Holland' Martin - a relation of Bonny Bee Hom (Child 92)
A lovely version of one of the Tunney family singing that in the box already (Brigid sang it, but all her grandchildren make a nice job of it so I might use one of them
I came across a nice Wexford version of 'Captain Ward and the Rainbow' in Ranson's 'Songs of the Wexford Coast' - unfortunately no tune, but I'm working on that
I'm staggered at what's turning up - 'Queen Eleanor's Confession, and Broomfield Hill f.c,o,l
Thanks
Jim


25 Jul 18 - 11:54 AM (#3939384)
Subject: RE: Recording of Golden Vanity
From: GUEST,Tunesmith

The first time I heard "Golden Vanity" was on a BBC radio show in 1960 sung by Pete Seeger. It was an hour long show featuring just Pete his banjo and 12 string guitar. I taped the show but it's on a reel to reel tape.


25 Jul 18 - 12:03 PM (#3939389)
Subject: RE: Recording of Golden Vanity
From: Jim Carroll

An American version contains two lines that justify claims the folk song is high art

"Some were playing cards and some were playing dice
And some were standing round giving good advice"

Anybody who has worked in a factory or on a building site and watched the men playing cards or dominoes during the dinner break, must visualise that scene as clearly as I do
Brilliant!
Jim Carroll


25 Jul 18 - 12:08 PM (#3939391)
Subject: RE: Recording of Golden Vanity
From: GUEST,Martin Ryan

Jim
Agreed re Lowlands of Holland, of course. Does that mean there’s a version of Golden Vanity in Joyce also - or have I lost the plot?

Regards


25 Jul 18 - 01:36 PM (#3939425)
Subject: RE: Recording of Golden Vanity
From: Jim Carroll

No No version unfortunately - it seems to have sunk without a trace
You can't trust these feckin' apprentices!!
Jim


25 Jul 18 - 07:17 PM (#3939503)
Subject: RE: Recording of Golden Vanity
From: GUEST,Spot

There is a version 'feat' Gordon Bok on Spotify. You can download Spotify free and listen to the song free. Just search under Gordon Bok, artist.

It is from a Minneapolis concert.

Not sure if this is the one you are looking for.

Surprising how much 'folk' there is on Spotify.


27 Jul 18 - 04:18 AM (#3939760)
Subject: RE: Recording of Golden Vanity
From: The Sandman

Sara Carter, what a singer"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQLLRQNaVxg">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQLLRQNaVxg


27 Jul 18 - 04:20 AM (#3939761)
Subject: RE: Recording of Golden Vanity
From: The Sandman

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQLLRQNaVxg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQLLRQNaVxg">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQLLRQNaVxg


01 Dec 18 - 05:14 AM (#3964126)
Subject: RE: Recording of Golden Vanity
From: GUEST,Musikverlag Mittelgebirge

Hello everybody,
I just uploaded a vinyl rip of "The Golden Vanitee" by Tony Rose and "his distinguished singing friends" to Youtube. It was released on the Trailer LP "Young Hunting" in 1970.
The "distinguished singing friends" are identified on Mainly Norfolk as Peter Bellamy, Heather Wood and Royston Wood of The Young Tradition - who may or may not have broken up at the time of the recording - plus June Tabor, John Kirkpatrick, Dave Calderhead and Kevin Sheils. What a lovely chorus!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJZl_tmnyfk


01 Dec 18 - 11:05 AM (#3964171)
Subject: RE: Recording of Golden Vanity
From: Dave Hanson

Lonnie Donegan did a good recording of this song, he was very well into folk music and very knowlegable.

Dave H


02 Dec 18 - 03:24 AM (#3964252)
Subject: RE: Recording of Golden Vanity
From: Reinhard

I do like young Scottish singer Iona Fyfe's version of The Golden Vanity from her forthcoming EP Dark Turn of Mind. Her 800 words essay on the song's history alone is worth perusing.


02 Dec 18 - 03:21 PM (#3964345)
Subject: RE: Recording of Golden Vanity
From: r.padgett

Yes I sing the Golden Vanity learnt from the Tony Rose vinyl ~ I sing two verse before the chorus although Tony does sing it at a fair speed ~

Could get rather long with one verse I feel

Ray

Tony Rose was fine singer, concertina player and guitarist with mastery of Traditional ballads and songs