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Author: I'll Take You Home Again Kathleen

16 May 02 - 04:44 PM (#711844)
Subject: Author:I'll Take you home again Kathleen
From: Seamus Kennedy

Hi. Sorry to bother you again. I checked in the DT and found the lyrics, but not the author.
I believe it was a German American doctor. Any ideas?
Thanks.

Seamus

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16 May 02 - 04:50 PM (#711848)
Subject: RE: BS: Author:I'll Take you home again Kathleen
From: McGrath of Harlow

Thomas Westendorf. And "home" means Austria, I think. Think in terms of the Sound of Music.See here for a bit more.


16 May 02 - 04:51 PM (#711849)
Subject: RE: BS: Author:I'll Take you home again Kathleen
From: GUEST,Bill Kennedy

no, not Austria, Plainfield, Illinois, USA, he was a schoolteacher, wrote it for his wife I believe


16 May 02 - 04:57 PM (#711851)
Subject: RE: BS: Author:I'll Take you home again Kathleen
From: McGrath of Harlow

Who came from Austria, as I'd heard it, back in the old country.


16 May 02 - 05:22 PM (#711854)
Subject: Origins: I'll Take You Home Again Kathleen
From: Joe Offer

Hi, Seamus -
Here's a quote from The Book of World-Famous Music (James J. Fuld, 1966, 1971):

music and words by Thomas P. Westendorf. The first printing of this song was in Church's Musical Visitor (Supplement), Cincinnati, March, 1876.
The history of this song has been ably written by Richard S. Hill in "Getting Kathleen Home Again." The song is at times mistaken as an Irish ballad. That it was written in Kentucky to cheer up a homesick wife who wanted to return East is shown by Hill to be unlikely. Westendorf, a musician and composer, was born in Bowling Green, Caroline County, Va., in 1848 and died in Chicago in 1923.
-Joe Offer-


16 May 02 - 06:24 PM (#711889)
Subject: RE: Author: I'll Take You Home Again Kathleen
From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca

We had a thread on this subject

Take Kathleen Home to Where?


16 May 02 - 08:46 PM (#711957)
Subject: RE: Author: I'll Take You Home Again Kathleen
From: Seamus Kennedy

McGrath, Bill, Joe , George, thanks a million. You guys are great. Now why did I not get a reference to the threads when I tried earlier? I typed in I'll Take You Home Again Kathleen, and nothing came up. I got the lyrics from the DT alright. Thanks again.

Seamus


17 May 02 - 02:57 AM (#712113)
Subject: RE: Author: I'll Take You Home Again Kathleen
From: Genie

I LOVE it when you guys talk song etymology!

Genie


18 May 02 - 09:29 PM (#713190)
Subject: Parody: I'll Take You Home Again Kathleen
From: Hrothgar

I don't think this is in the DT:

I'll take you home again, Kathleen,
You'll never make it on your own.
Oh, what a night it might have been,
If you had left the grog alone!

I've often told you, Kathleen, dear,
That drinking cider, beer, and gin
Will land you on your pretty ear (rear)
Far sooner than a Mickey Finn.

I'll take you to your home, Kathleen,
To where your head will feel no paid,
And when the party's on again,
You can damn' well stay at home, Kathleen!

Last heard around 1965. Maybe it died a natural death....


19 May 02 - 04:00 PM (#713638)
Subject: RE: Author: I'll Take You Home Again Kathleen
From: GUEST,beachcomber

Just lately on Radio One RTE I heard a programme called "Rattlebag" presented by Miles Dungan. It was one of a series about the origins of "Irish" songs and , among others such as "My Irish Molly-O" (often attributed to the Flanagan Bros who were Irishmen performing in New York of the twenties) "I'll take you home again Kathleen" was also revealed to have been written by a non-Irish person. It seems, if my memory holds true) that the name in the title was changed to Kathleen by the publishers to fit in with an "Irish song vogue" of the time and originally was a more common Eastern European name. Perhaps you can look up the archive for the programme in RTE's web site (www.rte.ie) Beach


19 May 02 - 08:58 PM (#713728)
Subject: RE: Author: I'll Take You Home Again Kathleen
From: Malcolm Douglas

Sheet music of 1876, published by John Church & Co., 66 W. Fourth St., Cincinnati, can be seen at the Lester Levy Sheet Music Collection:

I'll Take You Home Again Kathleen.

Westendorf was a fairly prolific composer of popular songs (Levy has 37 examples, including duplicates), many of which were in the "plantation" line, like I'll Nebber Leave Old Dixie Land or De Little Cabins All Am Empty Now. In Kathleen he was simply writing another cod-ethnic song for a guaranteed market.


19 May 02 - 10:55 PM (#713741)
Subject: RE: Author: I'll Take You Home Again Kathleen
From: masato sakurai

Heard in the John Ford movies Rio Grande (1950) and The Quiet Man (1952).

~Masato


29 Jul 11 - 07:58 AM (#3197838)
Subject: RE: Author: I'll Take You Home Again Kathleen
From: GUEST,Don Stevens

Westendorf was a Teacher at the Indiana Boys School, in Plainfield, Indiana, where he wrote the Song. He, and his wife, were from the Northeastern U.S.


19 Oct 16 - 11:57 AM (#3815519)
Subject: RE: Author: I'll Take You Home Again Kathleen
From: Thompson

But what was Mrs Westendorf's actual name?


19 Oct 16 - 12:31 PM (#3815532)
Subject: RE: Author: I'll Take You Home Again Kathleen
From: GUEST,Peter C

Thompson - I am sure it was not 'Kathleen' I think his wife's name was Mary - always raises a laugh when we do that song!


19 Oct 16 - 05:22 PM (#3815568)
Subject: RE: Author: I'll Take You Home Again Kathleen
From: Steve Gardham

Thomas Paine Westendorf was his real name and although he tried to get other songs popular this was really his first and only success. He continued as a teacher after it became popular. There is no reason to believe it was anything other than a fanciful piece trying to cash in on the general longing for home of emigrants. Whilst Malcolm was correct when he says W was prolific Hamm states none of the other pieces took off and the publishers eventually gave up on him. Of his 300 or so songs only this one achieved copyright renewal. Unfortunately W sold the rights of the song to publishers but the John Church Company recognised his contribution and sent him regular cheques, plus admirers of the song also sent him money. He achieved a fairly high status in education in Washington State, and Hamm suggests the appreciation of the American people was reward enough for him.


19 Oct 16 - 05:52 PM (#3815571)
Subject: RE: Author: I'll Take You Home Again Kathleen
From: Brakn

1880 census
Name Age Birthplace Occupation Father's Birthplace Mother's Birthplace
Thos. WESTENDORF 32   VA   Teacher/Officer   GER   VA
Jennie WESTENDORF 31   Ogdensburg?NY   Teacher/Officer   NY   NY
Jennie WESTENDORF 18M   KY      VA   NY
Louisville, Jefferson, Kentucky


19 Oct 16 - 06:08 PM (#3815572)
Subject: RE: Author: I'll Take You Home Again Kathleen
From: Brakn

THOMAS P WESTENDORF Birth: 23 FEB 1848 Bowling Green, Caroline, Virginia


20 Oct 16 - 01:39 PM (#3815716)
Subject: RE: Author: I'll Take You Home Again Kathleen
From: Seamus Kennedy

I wonder was he an ancestor of Omar Westendorf, author of many Catholic hymns? Joe Offer??


21 Oct 16 - 07:37 AM (#3815817)
Subject: RE: Author: I'll Take You Home Again Kathleen
From: GUEST,George Frampton

This song was in the repertoire of traditional singer Charlie Bridger from Stone-in-Oxney, Kent, who Mike Yates and Andy Turner recorded in the 1980s.

I also heard an amplified an elderly autoharp player performing its melody in Week Street, Maidstone over ten years ago. Sadly, I never had the time nor gall to talk to him about it,