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Lyr Req: Mothers, Daughters, Wives (Judy Small)

31 Mar 98 - 07:32 PM (#24856)
Subject: Lyr: Mothers, daughters, wives
From: Bill (Scotland)

Can anyone help me find the lyrics for the great anti-war song "Mothers, daughters, wives"?

Bill


31 Mar 98 - 07:41 PM (#24857)
Subject: RE: Lyr: Mothers, daughters, wives
From: dick greenhaus

If you mean Tommy Sands' "Your Daughters and Your Sons", it's in the database. As sung by Dick Gaughan.


31 Mar 98 - 08:31 PM (#24864)
Subject: RE: Lyr: Mothers, daughters, wives
From: Joe Offer

Bill, can you give us a few more words or think of somebody who recorded it? It's floating around in my head, and maybe a couple more phrases will draw it our or remind me where to look at it. My mental database search engine is a bit less efficient than the Mudcat database. This might be the song you're thinking of, but it's not what's floating in my brain.
-Joe Offer-


31 Mar 98 - 09:30 PM (#24866)
Subject: RE: Lyr: Mothers, daughters, wives
From: S.P. Buck Mulligan

Ronnie Gilbert recorded this tune; at some point she may also have recorded it with Holly Near - who also probably recorded it on her own.


31 Mar 98 - 11:08 PM (#24879)
Subject: Lyr Add: MOTHERS, DAUGHTERS, WIVES (Judy Small)
From: rich r

MOTHERS, DAUGHTERS, WIVES
Words and music by Judy Small
As recorded by Judy Small on "Ladies and Gems" (1984)

CHORUS: The first time it was fathers; the last time it was sons,
And in between your husbands marched away with guns and drums,
And you never thought to question; you just went on with your lives,
'Cause all they'd taught you who to be was mothers, daughters, wives.

You can only just remember, the tears your mothers shed
As the sat and read their papers through the lists and lists of dead,
And the gold frames held the photographs that mothers kissed each night,
And the doorframes held the shocked and silent strangers from the fight. CHORUS

And it was 21 years later with children of your own
The trumpet sounded once again and the soldier boys were gone
And you drove their trucks and made their guns and tended to their wounds
And at night you kissed their photographs and prayed for safe returns.

And after it was over, you had to learn again
To be just wives and mothers when you'd done the work of men
So you worked to help the needy and you never trod on toes
And the photos on the pianos struck a happy family pose. CHORUS

And then your daughters grew to women and your little boys to men
And you prayed that you were dreaming when the call-up came again
But you proudly smiled and held your tears as they bravely waved goodbye
And the photos on the mantelpieces always made you cry.

And now you're getting older and in time the photos fade
And in widowhood you sit back and reflect on the parade
Of the passing of your memories as your daughters change their lives
Seeing more to our existence than just mothers, daughters, wives. CHORUS

And you believed them.

Printed in Rise Up Singing
Recorded by Judy Small, Priscilla Herdman, and Ronnie Gilbert.

rich r



31 Mar 98 - 11:42 PM (#24885)
Subject: RE: Lyr: Mothers, daughters, wives
From: Alan of Australia

G'day,
Judy Small is an Aussie, a descendant of the First Fleet.

Cheers,
Alan


01 Apr 98 - 01:00 AM (#24892)
Subject: RE: Lyr: Mothers, daughters, wives
From: Joe Offer

OK, I gotta ask, Alan.
First Fleet?
I can guess from the context, but what's the official definition and history?
-Joe Offer-


01 Apr 98 - 01:34 AM (#24894)
Subject: RE: Lyr: Mothers, daughters, wives
From: Alan of Australia

G'day,
The first fleet was the fleet of 11 British ships under the command of Captain (then Governor) Arthur Phillip which sailed into Botany Bay on 26 January 1788. Many Australians proudly trace their ancestry to transportees of the first and subsequent fleets. Many were transported for trivial crimes.

Cheers,
Alan


01 Apr 98 - 01:38 AM (#24895)
Subject: RE: Lyr: Mothers, daughters, wives
From: Joe Offer

Thanks, Alan, I guessed right. A distinction like our D.A.R. (Daughters of the American Revolution) or the descendants of the Mayflower passengers.
-Joe Offer-


01 Apr 98 - 12:16 PM (#24911)
Subject: RE: Lyr: Mothers, daughters, wives
From: Bill (Scotland)

Rich R.

These are the lyrics I've been looking for, thanks very much. Thanks all for the info and help.

Cheers Bill


11 Aug 99 - 03:15 PM (#104020)
Subject: Mothers, daughters, wives
From: Edi

I'm looking for the lyrics of "mothers, daughters, wives". I've heard it from the McCalmans and from the Sands brothers but I think it's not written by them. Who can help me? Thanks


11 Aug 99 - 03:16 PM (#104021)
Subject: Mothers, daughters, wives
From: Edi

I'm looking for the lyrics of "mothers, daughters, wives". I've heard it from the McCalmans and from the Sands brothers but I think it's not written by them. Who can help me? Thanks


11 Aug 99 - 03:23 PM (#104023)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mothers, daughters, wives
From: Marion

Edi, I have this in a book at home (Rise Up Singing) and can tell you in a couple of days if someone else doesn't get it first. I love the lyrics - cry every time I read them - and I'd love to know the tune.

Marion


11 Aug 99 - 03:28 PM (#104025)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mothers, daughters, wives
From: Frank of Toledo

It was written by Judy Small and the chords ands lyrics are included in the "Rise Up Singing" Book" on page 162. If you don't that book let us know and i'll copy the words here for you.........


11 Aug 99 - 03:34 PM (#104028)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mothers, daughters, wives
From: Barbara

Give me a day or so and I'll try and transcribe the tune from my Judy Small LP.
Blessings,
Barbara


11 Aug 99 - 03:35 PM (#104029)
Subject: Lyr Add: MOTHERS, DAUGHTERS, WIVES (Judy Small)
From: Wolfgang

MOTHERS, DAUGHTERS, WIVES

CHORUS: The first time it was fathers,
The last time it was sons
And in between your husbands
Marched away with drums and guns.
And you never thought to question.
You just went on with your lives.
Cause all they taught you who to be,
Was mothers, daughters, wives.

You can only just remember
The tears your mother shed
As they sat and read their papers
Through the lists and lists of dead.
And the gold frames held the photographs
That mothers kissed each night.
And the door frames held the shocked
And silent strangers from the fight.

It was twenty-one years later,
With children of your own.
The trumpets sounded once again,
And the soldier boys were gone.
And you drove their trucks and made their guns
And tended to their wounds.
And at night you kissed their photographs
And prayed for safe returns.

And after it was over
You had to learn again
To be just wives and mothers,
When you'd done the work of men.
So you worked to help the needy
And you never trod on toes.
And the photos on the pianos
Struck a happy family pose.

Then your daughters grew to women
And your little boys to men.
And you prayed that you were dreaming
When the call came up again.
But you proudly smiled and held your tears
As they bravely waved goodbye.
And the photos on the mantel pieces
Always made you cry.

And now you're getting older
And in time the photos fade.
And in widowhood you sit back
And reflect on the parade.
Of the passing of your memories
As your daughters change their lives.
Seeing more to our existence
Than just mothers, daughters, wives.

And you believed them!



11 Aug 99 - 04:28 PM (#104039)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mothers, daughters, wives
From: McKnees

I think this is one of the most moving songs I have ever heard and when I saw this thread I wondered if anyone could tell me who wrote. I saw it performed by a woman but I cant remember who.it might have been Barbara Dickson Knock kneed one


11 Aug 99 - 06:12 PM (#104055)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mothers, daughters, wives
From: bbc

It's by Judy Small, knock kneed one. I have a lovely version of it by Priscilla Herdman on her Seasons of Change recording.

bbc


11 Aug 99 - 07:18 PM (#104068)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mothers, daughters, wives
From: McKnees

Is Judy Small Australian for some reason I always thought it was written by an Australian woman bbc? Knock Kneed one


11 Aug 99 - 07:57 PM (#104079)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mothers, daughters, wives
From: John in Brisbane

What am I offered for an LP containing this song and signed by this great Australian singer/songwriter? Only kidding - it's one of the few mementoes I have of the now defunct Troubadour venue in Melbourne, in my opinion one of the best folk venues in the world. Regards, John


11 Aug 99 - 10:13 PM (#104113)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mothers, daughters, wives
From: bbc

As I believe John was implying--yes, KK'd one, I believe Judy Small is Australian. She has another wonderful song, Walls & Windows, which is on Priscilla Herdman's Darkness into Light recording.

bbc


11 Aug 99 - 11:47 PM (#104151)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mothers, daughters, wives
From: Edi

Thank you for your efforts. There is no need to copy the words. I will get them from a friend.


11 Aug 99 - 11:52 PM (#104154)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mothers, daughters, wives
From: Edi

Thanks to everyone for the efforts and immediate help. You are all great.


12 Aug 99 - 04:07 PM (#104421)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mothers, daughters, wives
From: Sue Dyson

You will find everything you want to know about Judy from her home page (the lyrics of her some of her songs are there too, including Mothers, Daughters, Wives) at http://www.judysmall.net/


26 Nov 03 - 05:23 PM (#1061557)
Subject: RE: Lyr: Mothers, daughters, wives
From: swampy-the-spark

I used to sing this around the clubs in Brum
I hadforgotton how fabulus it is and had lost my copy of the words
thancks to mudcats it now going back in my song book
and yes I am a bloke but I still sing it because its great song

Clive


26 Nov 03 - 06:24 PM (#1061606)
Subject: RE: Lyr: Mothers, daughters, wives
From: Menolly

On the last chorus it can be finished off with an additional line -

"And you believed them when they said you were just Mothers, Daughters, wives.


27 Nov 03 - 04:23 PM (#1062182)
Subject: RE: Lyr: Mothers, daughters, wives
From: GUEST,Spot

Menolly.... Have you The McCalmans version, by any chance???

                   regards to alll    Spot


27 Nov 03 - 07:43 PM (#1062275)
Subject: RE: Lyr: Mothers, daughters, wives
From: bbc

Priscilla Herdman has a very nice version on her recording, Seasons of Change.

best,

bbc


27 Nov 03 - 11:35 PM (#1062335)
Subject: RE: Lyr: Mothers, daughters, wives
From: cobber

Judy Small is not as well known as some other Aussie folk song writers but to my mind there are none better. When I first heard the song she ended it "and we believed them" but when she toured Australia with Ronnie Gilbert ten or so years back, they did it as a duet and finished with a last line of "but we are learning". I thought that was a nice touch. She doesn't tour much these days, though I saw her a few months ago in Adelaide and she was as great as ever. Don't miss it if you get a chance to see her.


29 Nov 03 - 04:16 PM (#1062923)
Subject: RE: Lyr: Mothers, daughters, wives
From: Helen

I totally agree, Cobber. One of the best live performers I have seen, and a very talented musician & songwriter. Also an ambassador for gay and lesbian culture.

Judy Small Web Site

Helen


03 Feb 08 - 03:12 PM (#2252579)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mothers, Daughters, Wives (Judy Small)
From: GUEST

The McCalmans version of this beautiful song is excellent, unfortunately it is very hard to obtain


03 Feb 08 - 07:42 PM (#2252799)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mothers, Daughters, Wives (Judy Small)
From: Tattie Bogle

Hard? Where are you then guest? Can be got by mail order from www.musicscotland.com
Either on the "Peace and Plenty" CD of the McCalmans (14 copies currently in stock), or on the 3-CD set of "Scotland - the Music and Song - 20years of Greentrax" - many other amazing tracks from many artistes on this compilation. Neither of them hugely expensive either even with P & P added.


03 Feb 08 - 07:57 PM (#2252811)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mothers, Daughters, Wives (Judy Small
From: GUEST,Gerry

It's very strange to see being a descendant of a First Fleet arrival likened to the D. A. R.
Those who arrived on the First Fleet were convicts, transported to a penal colony. For most of Australian history, this was considered to be a stain, something to be hidden, not something to be proud of.


03 Feb 08 - 11:47 PM (#2252919)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mothers, Daughters, Wives (Judy Small
From: Sandra in Sydney

it was amazing what lengths some convicts & many of their children/grandchildren went to hide the convict "stain", and a few generations later THEIR descendants shout it from the rooftops!

sandra


03 Feb 08 - 11:51 PM (#2252921)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mothers, Daughters, Wives (Judy Small)
From: Bob Bolton

G'day Gerry,

Well ... there were also a bunch of the usual invasion troops and officers - and many of those did well out here ... beyond the tiresome reach of civil laws. Many ot their progeny might see themselves in terms closer to the DAR ... but Australians who have compared the achievements of both sides of the ledger - especially in terms of benefit for the modern society - would be very happy to be descended from the First Fleet convicts.

My earliest known arrivals to Australia were free settlers ... but 'economic refugees' ... a bit before the Irish Famine. However, at least one of those fed her rebellious views on British rule to her family ... in ways that still resound in our folk memory.

Regards,

Bob


04 Feb 08 - 02:03 AM (#2252947)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mothers, Daughters, Wives (Judy Small
From: Jim Lad

Remarkable: I listened to The Corries version of this yesterday and it's been running around in my head all day.
Then I find this thread.
Great song. The tune is a lot like the verses to Three Score and Ten.


06 Feb 08 - 02:07 PM (#2255162)
Subject: RE: Guitar Chords for Mothers, daughters, wives
From: GUEST,Malcolm

Does anyone have the guitar chords for Judy Smalls Mothers daughters wives, hope you can oblige. many thanks Malcolm


10 Mar 19 - 08:55 AM (#3981272)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mothers, Daughters, Wives (Judy Small)
From: GUEST,henryp

Bill (Scotland) asked; "Can anyone help me find the lyrics for the great anti-war song "Mothers, daughters, wives"?" But I'd say that this song is about women's place and voice in society.

In the UK, there were conflicting views. The Suffragettes certainly did not agree with the pacifists. Emmeline and Christabel persuaded the WSPU to stop their suffrage activities until the war was over.

The Suffragette, renamed Britannia, matched the popular press in its support for the war. And the WSPU, now calling itself the Women's Party, campaigned for compulsory national service for women.


12 Mar 19 - 01:57 AM (#3981580)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mothers, Daughters, Wives (Judy Small)
From: open mike

Is the title song for the Maura O'Connel album the one by Judy Small?
https://www.nodepression.com/album-reviews/maura-oconnell-walls-and-windows/


12 Mar 19 - 03:30 AM (#3981585)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mothers, Daughters, Wives (Judy Small)
From: GUEST,Gerry

The song Walls and Windows doesn't appear on the Mauar O'Connell album, just a song called Walls.