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Small Victory in Copyright War

26 Feb 02 - 03:09 PM (#658386)
Subject: Small Victory in Copyright War
From: SeanM

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/zd/20020224/tc_zd/5103674

For those disinclined to open, this is a decision stating (taken from the banner headline) "Makers of a recording by country-pop singer Charley Pride have agreed to stop tracking most listener habits and to warn consumers that the CD is not compatible with MP3 and other players, according to attorneys for a woman who sued the companies."

This is not a Napster issue or suchlike, though that is an offshoot. This is a decision that seems (to me) to simultaneously bolster privacy rights and re-affirm the public's rights under copyright law.

As a purchaser of a recording, part of my rights are to make archival copies (so that the original may be kept relatively pristine) for personal use. The law doesn't make provision stating "copies so long as they aren't digital" or "copies so long as they only are on magnetic audio tape" or "copies so long as they can only be played by being inserted up your dog's ass".

Nice to see that this may be explicitly stated. Again.

M


26 Feb 02 - 03:25 PM (#658394)
Subject: Small Victory?
From: Clinton Hammond

So, what? Now they have to put a warning on the CD case that it's unplayable in CD-Rom, DVD, and MP3 players?

1) Who'd bother buying it then?

2) Just sitting here, I can already think of at least 3 ways to 'rip' it and reburn it that I could set up in about 5 minutes... so where's the victory?

I don't get it...

;-)


26 Feb 02 - 05:29 PM (#658488)
Subject: RE: Small Victory in Copyright War
From: Rollo

Yeagh, who would listen to charley pride anyway? *GGG*


26 Feb 02 - 05:41 PM (#658500)
Subject: RE: Small Victory in Copyright War
From: Uncle_DaveO

Who's Charley Pride?

Dave Oesterreich


26 Feb 02 - 05:59 PM (#658517)
Subject: RE: Small Victory in Copyright War
From: McGrath of Harlow

If anybody sells a CD that cannot be played by the CD drive in a PC and fails to tell the purchaser, surely that cannot be legal. Like selling a car and not telling people it uses Diesel and not petrol.


26 Feb 02 - 06:16 PM (#658531)
Subject: RE: Small Victory in Copyright War
From: artbrooks

...copy onto a cassette...copy that into the PC...

...if you really want a Charley Pride MP3.


27 Feb 02 - 10:35 AM (#659023)
Subject: RE: Small Victory in Copyright War
From: McGrath of Harlow

Or have a link from a CD player to your PC line-in.

I can't see ths kind of sharp practice by CD makers taking off. If it does I imagine it would be easy enough to have an extra exclusively CD Drive installed in the computer to take care of business. Easy enough, but a drag.


27 Feb 02 - 12:25 PM (#659115)
Subject: RE: Small Victory in Copyright War
From: Mrrzy

How does it protect copyright if it can't be PLAYED?


27 Feb 02 - 12:39 PM (#659126)
Subject: RE: Small Victory in Copyright War
From: MMario

the theory is if you can't play it you can't duplicate it.


27 Feb 02 - 12:48 PM (#659131)
Subject: RE: Small Victory in Copyright War
From: Murray MacLeod

Dave O, Charley Pride is a mainstream country singer, one of the few who could never be described as a redneck.

Murray


27 Feb 02 - 12:53 PM (#659137)
Subject: RE: Small Victory in Copyright War
From: Nigel Parsons

Mrrxy: "how does it protect copyright if it can't be played?" Perfectly


27 Feb 02 - 01:30 PM (#659170)
Subject: RE: Small Victory in Copyright War
From: SeanM

And the point isn't that the 'protection' can be defeated. The point is that the protection was installed without notifying the consumer. As pointed out above - it's not likely you'd buy a car if you found out it couldn't use fuel from 90% of the filling stations in the country.

Any protection can and will eventually be circumvented by 'interested parties' with sufficient knowledge, time and equipment. Unfortunately, that means very little to the average consumer.

M


27 Feb 02 - 01:39 PM (#659177)
Subject: RE: Small Victory in Copyright War
From: Mrrzy

Very funny, Nigel! But what's the point of making music that can't be played just so it can't be copied? I guess I don't have the right priorities... sounds like throwing out the baby with the bathwater, or cutting off one's nose to spite one's face, or some such cliche...


27 Feb 02 - 01:45 PM (#659187)
Subject: RE: Small Victory in Copyright War
From: SeanM

The 'point' that I've heard argued by the music industry is that the CDs were meant to be played on CD players, and that they were not originally to be played on CD drives or the like.

I do not buy it, personally. In my view it's a quite blatant attack on consumer rights.

M


27 Feb 02 - 01:50 PM (#659192)
Subject: RE: Small Victory in Copyright War
From: Clinton Hammond

"consumer rights"

What kind of bollox is that???

caveat emptor!!!!!


28 Feb 02 - 04:32 AM (#659708)
Subject: RE: Small Victory in Copyright War
From: GUEST,eoin

Maybe Charlie Pride didn't sing on the CD and it's a blank one, then nobody would know the difference. HEY! I WANT MY MONEY BACK!!


28 Feb 02 - 07:44 AM (#659795)
Subject: RE: Small Victory in Copyright War
From: McGrath of Harlow

It's a bit more comprehensive than "caveat emptor bollox". There are some limits on how far we can be ripped off by crooks in suits.

Consumers Rights, USA, and Consumer Rights UK


28 Feb 02 - 08:30 AM (#659827)
Subject: RE: Small Victory in Copyright War
From: greg stephens

Anyone explain in words of one syllable what this is about? I make CD's and people buy them, but I haven't a clue whether they can be played on computers or not. How do you tell? Does it matter?


28 Feb 02 - 12:32 PM (#659985)
Subject: RE: Small Victory in Copyright War
From: GUEST,Charley's Mother

<< Maybe Charlie Pride didn't sing on the CD and it's a blank one, then nobody would know the difference. HEY! I WANT MY MONEY BACK!! >>

You forgot to read the fine print on the label:

Pride playble only on registered dog-ass players.


28 Feb 02 - 12:38 PM (#659989)
Subject: RE: Small Victory in Copyright War
From: Clinton Hammond

"There are some limits on how far we can be ripped off by crooks in suits."

You can think that, but they win hands down all the time...