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Wildwood flower lyric question

22 Aug 01 - 03:17 AM (#533033)
Subject: Wildwood Flower lyric question
From: GUEST,JennieG

Looking at the lyrics of Wildwood Flower in the Digital Tradition - what does "emanita" mean? (Line 4, verse 1)


22 Aug 01 - 04:22 AM (#533042)
Subject: RE: Wildwood flower lyric question
From: Genie

It is a flower, I think. I actually thought it was "amanita."


22 Aug 01 - 04:37 AM (#533048)
Subject: RE: Wildwood flower lyric question
From: JennieG

That makes sense in the context of the lyric! I thought I would have a go at singing it but I wouldn't be able to do so if I couldn't understand it. Obviously a typo in Digitrad.
Cheers
JennieG


22 Aug 01 - 04:42 AM (#533050)
Subject: RE: Wildwood flower lyric question
From: masato sakurai

This word "emanita" and others have been discussed here.


22 Aug 01 - 04:57 AM (#533055)
Subject: RE: Wildwood flower lyric question
From: Tony in Sweden

Here's some info I found......
Amanita:spp
A genus of mushroom containing a few species famous for their toxicity. There are many edible amanitas, but eating the wrong one can get you into heaps of trouble, not to mention the delerium, vomiting, diarrhea, cramps, liver failure or death.

Ref.Bks Bessete, A.E.1988. Mushrooms of the Adirondacks: A Field Guide. North country books, Inc. Utica, NY. 145p.
Fischer, D.W. and Bessette, A.E.1992. Edible Wild Mushrooms of North America: A Field to Kitchen Guide. University of Texas Press, Austin, TX. 254p.
Jenkins, D.T. 1986. Amanita of North America. Mad River Press Inc. Eureka, CA. 198p.
Lincoff, G.H. 1981. National Audubon Society Field Guide to North American Mushrooms. Alfred A. Knopf, New York, NY. 926p.
Norton, S. 1996. Toxic Effects of Plants. Pp. 841-854. In: Casarett & Doull's Toxicology: The Basic Science of Poisons, Fifth Edition. C.D. Klaassen, Ed. McGraw-Hill Companies, Inc. New York, NY.
Weiland, T., and Faulstich, H. 1983. Peptide Toxins from Amanita. Pp. 585-635. In: Handbook of Natural Toxins, Volume I: Plant and Fungal Toxins. R.F. Keeler and A.T. Tu, Ed. Marcel Dekker, Inc. New York, NY.
Happy Reading!!!
mvh Tony


22 Aug 01 - 09:26 AM (#533169)
Subject: RE: Wildwood flower lyric question
From: kendall

The original can be found at www.pdmusic.org


22 Aug 01 - 08:52 PM (#533654)
Subject: RE: Wildwood flower lyric question
From: Coyote Breath

Hmmm. Amanita as in Amanita Panthera? Or Amanita Muscaria?

I always thought it was Amelita. Which is a flower, not a mushroom. (A. Panthera is also known as "The Destroying Angel" and A. Muscaria is known as the "Fly Agaric". Muscaria is latin (or at least I have been told) for "fly" as in the Italian "mosca".

The Pale Amelita with eyes of bright blue

or was it The pale Amelita with Islip so blue?

why are Carter words so hard to fathom?


22 Aug 01 - 09:38 PM (#533674)
Subject: RE: Wildwood flower lyric question
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)

See thread Wildwood Flower, currently being posted to. Everything known is there except the identification of the flower, which is unknown. Arrownetta or aronatus was the word in the original 1860 song.


01 Nov 02 - 06:03 PM (#816377)
Subject: Lyr Add: WILDWOOD FLOWER (Nova Scotia)
From: GUEST,gladyscelcorner@netscape.net

Back in 1950 - in Nova Scotia, Canada, we sang WILDWOOD FLOWER

OUR LYRICS A R E   D I F F E R E N T from Carter Family, etc...
FOLLOWING ARE THE LYRICS WE HAVE.....COULD ANYONE TELL ME
THE ORIGIN OF OUR LYRICS???? HAS ANYONE EVER HEARD THIS VERSION???

WILDWOOD FLOWER

She is waiting for me in a rose colored bower,
And her eyes are like violets after a shower,
For she's dreaming of dreams through the long summer hours,
my sweetheart, my own, my frail wildwood flower.

All the wild forest creatures are under her spell,
On her shoulder the dove it's love secrets will tell,
And the wild dappled fawn comes to lie at the feet,
of my frail, wildwood flower, So gentle and so sweet.

I will pick tender blossoms to twine in her hair,
lovely roses so red and the lilies so fair,
Lovely myrtle so bright with the emerald hue,
Buttercups yellow, forget-me-nots blue

There's no artist can paint her, no poet can write,
How she warms this old heart like the sunbeams so bright,
I will love and protect her and never more part,
From that frail wildwood flower that twines around my heart.

H E L P !@!!!!
Gladys


01 Nov 02 - 08:12 PM (#816465)
Subject: RE: Wildwood flower lyric question
From: GUEST,Q

Far different also from the original by Maude Irving and J. B. Webster, 1888, "I'll Twine Mid the Ringlets."
Take at the threds listed above.


01 Nov 02 - 08:47 PM (#816497)
Subject: RE: Wildwood flower lyric question
From: GUEST,-Richie

In Maude Irving and J. B. Webster, 1888, "I'll Twine Mid the Ringlets" list the flower as "Aronatus." The closest flower to "Aronatus" is perhaps Aronia, which is 'chokecherry.'

My grandfather collected a version in 1933 from Beech Mountain. The flower was "Ermeta" in that version which also is not listed as a flower.

-Richie


04 Aug 15 - 07:30 AM (#3728112)
Subject: RE: Wildwood flower lyric question
From: GUEST

Thank you, Gladys, for printing this version of Wildwood Flower for which I have been searching for some time. Parts of this version were sung and played on the accordian by my Father years ago and only now have I heard the complete song. I am taking it to him in his last years to sing to him. It will bring a smile to his eyes. MaryAnn


04 Aug 15 - 09:41 AM (#3728130)
Subject: RE: Wildwood flower lyric question
From: GUEST,#

http://jurisdynamics.blogspot.ca/2007/10/wildwood-flower.html

Further discussion at that link.


04 Aug 15 - 10:32 AM (#3728135)
Subject: RE: Wildwood flower lyric question
From: GUEST,leeneia

This matter has been resolved by Mudcatter 'Taconicus.' I'm going to copy his post from 2013 right here. He shows how to find the original sheet music. I've followed his footsteps and done it, and the flower's name is 'aronatus.'

I'm not going to post the lyrics again. You can find them in the DT using the first link way above. Here's Taconicus' post:
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Subject: RE: Origins: Wildwood Flower / I'll Twine 'Mid the ...
From: Taconicus
Date: 30 Sep 13 - 05:25 PM

At long last, I've received a copy of the actual published sheet music to I'll Twine 'Mid the Ringlets. It pretty much matches what Genie wrote above in 2001. Here are the actual lyrics, verbatim (including original italics, punctuation, and capitalization):

[see the DT - leeneia]

- Taken from published sheet music in the Department of Special Collections, Stanford University Libraries: I'll Twine 'Mid the Ringlets. Words by Maud Irving. Music by J.P. Webster. Copyrighted and Published (1860, 1862) by H.M. Higgins, 117 Randolph Street, Chicago. Pearson, engraver. (The "1860, 1862" signifies that this is from an 1862 compilation published by H.M. Higgins entitled "WESTERN GEMS: SONGS COMPOSED BY J.P. WEBSTER." The page showing I'll Twine 'Mid the Ringlets shows the 1860 date.) I'd post a scan online but Stanford requires permission for further reproduction.
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Why track it down?

1. There's a glow you get when you are (almost) looking at the honest-to-gosh, true original. This is the closest you will get without travelling to California.

2.   You can get the melody right. The original melody is more interesting than what's going around now.

3.   To learn Webster's charming introduction to the song.

4.   To see the 1860's style accompaniment.

5.    To see the lyrics for yourself.


01 Oct 16 - 03:49 PM (#3812238)
Subject: RE: Wildwood flower lyric question
From: GUEST

In my search for the lyrics to this version I was missing a few words. Thanks for filling me in. Buddy Starcher sang this version and it my understanding he wrote the "New Wildwood Flower." Valorie


03 Oct 16 - 06:32 AM (#3812457)
Subject: RE: Wildwood flower lyric question
From: GUEST,Desi C

Wildwood Flower probably is the worst case of misheard lyrics of any song I know. Probably in the early 1900's when it started life as an Appalacian mountain song often performed by the Carter Family. People really only had word of mouth to pass on songs to each other and we all know ho messages passed on ear to ear can come out the last ear completely different! The original words are on line somewhere, have seen them and at least 60% of the words we now use differ hugely from the original, yet for some odd reason it still seems to work!


03 Oct 16 - 08:52 AM (#3812481)
Subject: RE: Wildwood flower lyric question
From: The Sandman

I prefer to use the tune and sing the reuben james to the tune