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BS: Trump ch. 3 The Fall

07 Dec 18 - 08:22 AM (#3965239)
Subject: BS: Trump ch. 3 The Fall
From: Donuel

We didn't start fire:

Farmers die, Kim's alive all the Dow Jones stocks just dived
Putin's in the Black Se, Traitors in the GOP
Nukes are loose, Dems boost
Mueller makes a tighter noose
House is gone, debt is long, Xi laughs, Twitter gaffes
Voter fraud
Stormy' bod
But is all the will of GOD

We didn't start the fire
It was always burning
Since the world's been turning
We didn't start the fire
No we didn't light it
But we tried to fight it

billie joel-Tom Nichols


07 Dec 18 - 09:42 AM (#3965252)
Subject: RE: BS: Trump ch. 3 The Fall
From: Donuel

Seas rise, Donald lies, stolen border babies cry
NRA in the red, Trump thinks he owns the FED
Troops spread wire, Camp Fire
Supreme Court judge is a liar
Houston floods, twitter grudge, Trump's foul paper towels
Goes with gut
Allies cut
Gives hush money to his sluts


07 Dec 18 - 09:45 AM (#3965255)
Subject: RE: BS: Trump ch. 3 The Fall
From: Big Al Whittle

I dunno, he seems to have his fans.


07 Dec 18 - 10:10 AM (#3965262)
Subject: RE: BS: Trump ch. 3 The Fall
From: Donuel

Trump has now appointed his 10th Fox news talking head to his administration with Heather Neuart (Fox Blonde) appearing as
... UN ambassador.

Big Al you know how flighty&fickle sycophantic friends are when faced with fearsome peril, they flee. Those who stay to shoot it out, are a realistic super minority. The rest head back to the woodwork.


07 Dec 18 - 11:06 AM (#3965275)
Subject: RE: BS: Trump ch. 3 The Fall
From: Jack Campin

I'm waiting for him to follow Caligula's example and appoint his golf cart to public office.


07 Dec 18 - 12:58 PM (#3965287)
Subject: RE: BS: Trump ch. 3 The Fall
From: Donuel

Golf carts like Rick Perry and DeVoss?
Not many people know that Caligua appointed a whores, I mean a horse.


Since chapter two of The experiment of ignorance there have been many episodes of discovery. Rather than binge watch we will leap directly to the unfolding of his fall which coincides with the House losing a record breaking 40 seats to the Democrats.

For those who wondered, the Trump Russian hotel video is real
Mueller is locked and loaded and Trump enablers have flipped.

Congress have rebuked Trump for siding with Saudi Murder Inc for dismembering a US journalist.

This Friday is Mueller's release date of the strongest indictments yet


07 Dec 18 - 01:25 PM (#3965291)
Subject: RE: BS: Trump ch. 3 The Fall
From: Joe Offer

I'm trying to get the chapters straight, Donuel:
  • Chapter One was the Rise of the thrice-bankrupt Art of the Deal businessman and "You're Fired" reality show star.
  • Chapter Two, The Experiment of Ignorance, was the bamboozling of the American Electorate to gain office and promote a neo-Fascist agenda
  • Chapter Three, The Fall??? I see visions of Roman Senators in togas....


Any corrections? I hope you're right about this being the Fall. I'm getting my hopes up.
-Joe-


07 Dec 18 - 02:03 PM (#3965297)
Subject: RE: BS: Trump ch. 3 The Fall
From: robomatic

If he could get elected once, he can get elected twice. Just sayin. . .


07 Dec 18 - 02:25 PM (#3965300)
Subject: RE: BS: Trump ch. 3 The Fall
From: Joe Offer

Yeah, I heard a radio commentator on NPR yesterday, expressing the assumption that Trump will be re-elected in 2020. What a frightening thought.
-Joe-


07 Dec 18 - 03:27 PM (#3965313)
Subject: RE: BS: Trump ch. 3 The Fall
From: keberoxu

If he followed Caligula's example,
which of his children would he eat?


08 Dec 18 - 09:26 AM (#3965456)
Subject: RE: BS: Trump ch. 3 The Fall
From: Donuel

Joe, you could write Chapter 3 in the voice of a well spoken Roman Senator and historian. Some of the villainous actors might have Roman nicknames. You would be straight forward and I would probably meander as in 'Life of Brian'.


08 Dec 18 - 04:47 PM (#3965510)
Subject: RE: BS: Trump ch. 3 The Fall
From: Donuel

I urge everyone, citizen or not, to Think AHEAD with History in your hand.
The 'Fall' is with cautious declaration depending upon a recession that history shows is a dangerous time for populism and democracy.
Also it depends upon how desperate Trump becomes having already declared a national emergency that gives him ungodly powers and renders the Constitution moot, should he choose to exercise those powers.


09 Dec 18 - 11:52 AM (#3965615)
Subject: RE: BS: Trump ch. 3 The Fall
From: Donuel

Trump will not pardon himself. He will have Pence do that to avoid prosecution later.


09 Dec 18 - 12:29 PM (#3965623)
Subject: RE: BS: Trump ch. 3 The Fall
From: Iains

Seems to me if enough people refuse to accept the election results then declaring a state of emergency, to protect democracy, is a good idea.

Just imagine the furore had democrats won and republicans had shown the same behaviour!

You are still trying to arrange a coup for the engineered takedown of a legitimately elected president. More than 2 years have elapsed and the evidence of russian manipulation of election results is zero. A shame the same cannot be said of US tampering with elections in numerous countries, going back decades.
How many countries does Russia station troops in? A mere soupçon compared to the US.
   Shouting collusion, given your proven track record of tampering, smacks of hypocrisy of the highest magnitude.


09 Dec 18 - 05:17 PM (#3965668)
Subject: RE: BS: Trump ch. 3 The Fall
From: Mossback

trying to arrange a coup for the engineered takedown of a legitimately elected president

You get this nonsense from your buddy Guido?

evidence of russian manipulation of election results is zero

Untrue. All that hasn't been proven - yet - is collusion on the part of Trump, Trump's family, and his flock of felons.

You might also consider waiting until the investigation is complete before claiming what it has or has not uncovered.

Indictments to follow - stay tuned.


10 Dec 18 - 06:00 AM (#3965744)
Subject: RE: BS: Trump ch. 3 The Fall
From: Iains

2 years and still looking? Despite all the resources available?
I wonder who has jail time first- Clinton or Trump?


10 Dec 18 - 08:49 AM (#3965770)
Subject: RE: BS: Trump ch. 3 The Fall
From: Mossback

2 years and still looking?

You are aware -or are you not? - that, to pick two examples of many, that the Watergate and Iran-Contra investigations took much longer.


10 Dec 18 - 08:56 AM (#3965771)
Subject: RE: BS: Trump ch. 3 The Fall
From: Jeri

1
Obstructing Justice

    After taking office, Trump asked FBI Director James Comey to abandon the investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election—which the FBI had already connected to Michael Flynn.
    When Comey refused to alter course, Trump fired him.
    Trump then admitted the firing was over “the Russia thing” in a televised interview.
    In a tweet months later, he stated that he “had to fire Michael Flynn because he lied to the FBI”— further affirming that he dismissed James Comey in an attempt to quash the FBI’s investigation.

Bottom line: Trump has repeatedly attempted to interfere in the Russia investigation, and admitted as much—that’s a clear case of obstructing justice.
2
Violating the Emoluments Clause of the U.S. Constitution

    The Constitution’s Foreign Emoluments Clause prohibits the president from accepting personal benefits from any foreign government or official.
    Trump has retained his ownership interests in his family business while he is in office.
    Thus, every time a foreign official stays at a Trump hotel, or a foreign government approves a new Trump Organization project, or grants a trademark, Trump is in violation of the Constitution.
       For example: shortly after he was sworn into office, the Chinese government
       gave preliminary approval to 38 trademarks of Trump’s name. Then, in June, China approved nine Donald Trump trademarks they had previously rejected.
    And every time he goes to golf at a Trump property, he funnels taxpayer money into his family business—violating the Domestic Emoluments Clause.

Bottom line: Because Trump never divested from his business interests, he violates the Constitution every time the Trump Organization has business dealings with foreign or American government officials.
3
Conspiring with Others to Commit Crimes Against the United States, and Attempting to Conceal Those Violations

    In the middle of the 2016 election, Trump’s son was invited to meet with a Russian national regarding “information that would incriminate Hillary and…would be very useful to” Donald Trump
    The Russian, Natalia Veselnitskaya, had ties to high-ranking Kremlin officials.
    Trump Jr. took the meeting. He said, “I love it,” when told Veselnitskaya may have had dirt on Clinton. Paul Manafort and Jared Kushner also attended.
    Federal law prohibits campaigns from soliciting anything of value from a foreign national.
    After journalists broke this story, Trump personally dictated a public statement on behalf of his son that lied about the intended purpose of the meeting.
    This relationship between the Trump team and the Russian national raises questions of whether the campaign aided a hostile foreign power’s active operation against the United States.

Bottom line: Trump tried to cover up his campaign’s contacts with a Russian national—which, at very least, constituted a violation of federal law.
4
Advocating Violence and Undermining Equal Protection Under the Law

    When Trump gave cover to the neo-Nazis who rioted in Charlottesville and murdered a protester, he violated his obligation to protect the citizenry against domestic violence.
    When Trump encouraged police officers to rough up people they have under arrest, he violated his obligation to oversee faithful execution of the laws.
    When Trump shared anti-Muslim content on Twitter, he violated his obligation to uphold equal protection of the laws.
    This represents a pattern of disregard for some of the president’s basic responsibilities as defined by the Constitution.

Bottom line: Trump has demonstrated a pattern of behavior amounting to advocating violence, undercutting equal protection, and, as a result, failing basic Constitutional duties.
5
Abusing the Pardon Power

    President Trump’s decision to pardon Joe Arpaio amounted to an abuse of the pardon power that revealed his indifference to individual rights and equal protections.
    Joe Arpaio was convicted for contempt of court after ignoring a court order that he stop detaining and searching people based on the color of their skin, which constitutes a violation of their rights.
    Pardoning this conviction goes against the Fifth Amendment, which allows the judiciary to issue and enforce injunctions against government officials who flout individual rights.

Bottom line: Trump’s pardon of Joe Arpaio violates the Fifth Amendment and harms the guarantee of Constitutional rights.
6
Engaging in Conduct that Grossly Endangers the Peace and Security of the United States

    High-ranking administration officials involved in foreign affairs have signaled that Trump does not have the capacity to make informed decisions in the event of a military crisis.
    Even worse, his actions could spark a needless confrontation stemming from misunderstanding or miscalculation.
    We see this in full effect every time Trump tweets or makes a public statement taunting and threatening the North Korean regime.
    The president may be the “Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States,” but that does not give him the right to behave in reckless or wanton ways that put millions of lives at risk.
    If he is unfit to perform his duties as Commander in Chief, he cannot be allowed to remain in the position.

Bottom line: Trump cannot be permitted to recklessly and needlessly endanger millions of Americans with his unstable behavior.
7
Directing Law Enforcement to Investigate and Prosecute Political Adversaries for Improper and Unjustifiable Purposes

    President Trump has repeatedly pressured the Department of Justice and the FBI to investigate and prosecute political adversaries like Hillary Clinton.
    This is not based in concerns with national security, law enforcement, or any other function of his office—it is an attempted power play, plain and simple.
    There’s no question that this constitutes an outrageous and inappropriate abuse of executive branch powers and serves as clear grounds for impeachment.

Bottom line: Trump’s threats against political opponents are threats against American democracy.
8
Undermining the Freedom of the Press

    President Trump has repeatedly attacked the concept of an independent press.
    He’s called critical coverage “fake news” and journalists “the enemy of the American people,” made threats to change libel laws and revoke licenses, and his battles with CNN led him to try to interfere in the AT&T/Time Warner merger.
    This demonstrates his unwillingness to respect and uphold the Constitution, and disdain for the crucial foundations to our free society.

Bottom line: Trump’s threats against freedom of the press are also threats against American democracy.
Thanks to Free Speech for People, whose white paper, ‘The Legal Case for a Congressional Investigation on Whether to Impeach President Donald J. Trump,’ served as the basis for this list.
9
Cruelly and Unconstitutionally Imprisoning Children and their Families

    Enforcing its new “zero tolerance” policy, the Trump administration separated as many as 3,000 immigrant children from their parents at the southern border. This policy was meant to deter families from attempting to cross the border.
    The children and their families have been held in internment camps and cages with what lawyers call “inhumane conditions”
    Due to negligence, the Trump administration has no plan to reunite all children with their families, even deporting some parents while their children remain detained.

Bottom line: Trump’s policy endangers thousands of immigrant children and families, and defies basic Constitutional values
Thanks to Free Speech for People, ‘New ground for impeachment hearings: cruel and unconstitutional imprisonment of children and their families,’ served as content for this impeachable offense.

From The Need to Impeach

this, from a sitting President, vs Clinton, former Sec. of State, whose classified emails & deletions were already deemed un-prosecutable. Not even a teeny bit comparable. Can't keep whinging about things until you get the results you like.


10 Dec 18 - 09:11 AM (#3965776)
Subject: RE: BS: Trump ch. 3 The Fall
From: Mossback

Touché.


10 Dec 18 - 09:12 AM (#3965777)
Subject: RE: BS: Trump ch. 3 The Fall
From: Iains

WOW! that jerked a few strings. A shame you are not quite so fastidious about your international misdemeanours/wars/political interference/obstruction of democracy etc.etc.
After all, it is all performed in your name and apparently with your tacit consent.


10 Dec 18 - 09:23 AM (#3965779)
Subject: RE: BS: Trump ch. 3 The Fall
From: Donuel

The Jeri post is factual, What a concept. Iain should go back to Sabotaging British politics with incensing nonsensical chaos. Mossback there is no collusion, it is obstruction of justice.

The crimes are the cover ups and targeted firings in the Justice Department. The dilemma for Democrats is not to impeach too soon and risk needless blowback.

The 'promises kept' rhetoric should wisely be countered as untrue and repeated in the meantime.


10 Dec 18 - 11:31 AM (#3965805)
Subject: RE: BS: Trump ch. 3 The Fall
From: Mossback

Mossback there is no collusion

Not so far, but give it a little more time.


10 Dec 18 - 12:17 PM (#3965812)
Subject: RE: BS: Trump ch. 3 The Fall
From: Jeri

Just because Trump repeats it endlessly doesn't make it true.
Pretty sure it's all leading to evidence of conspiracy (that Trump calls "collusion), not "obstruction of justice" which is a different thing that Trump (IMO) did.

I think the Dems will not attempt to impeach him, unless it's to bring his offenses to public attention. If we get rid of him, we get Pence, and who would YOU rather run against in 2020? But I think the exposing him thing might work as his ass-kissers wouldn't want him to be held accountable for his deeds.


12 Dec 18 - 04:23 PM (#3965955)
Subject: RE: BS: Trump ch. 3 The Fall
From: Donuel

Trump: "If you try and impeach me the people will revolt".
We are already revolted.


12 Dec 18 - 09:31 PM (#3966000)
Subject: RE: BS: Trump ch. 3 The Fall
From: EBarnacle

Please remember that impeachment is the equivalent of an indictment. The actual removal requires conviction in the Senate by 2/3 of the sitting Senators. With the current make up of the Senate, it is extremely unlikely that the Senate will vote to convict. Trump would then complete his term and go around claiming exoneration.


12 Dec 18 - 09:52 PM (#3966003)
Subject: RE: BS: Trump ch. 3 The Fall
From: Donuel

I'm not forgetting but I am making the allusion that Trump has made friends with certain gun nut militias which as far as Trump threats go 'are his people'.


12 Dec 18 - 09:54 PM (#3966004)
Subject: RE: BS: Trump ch. 3 The Fall
From: Donuel

The Trump kids are part of the Cohen sentencing and have not been granted immunity. That is a sword of Damocles that is over the Trump kids head.


13 Dec 18 - 10:40 AM (#3966084)
Subject: RE: BS: Trump ch. 3 The Fall
From: Donuel

the biggest surplus of America

oldies but moldy


14 Dec 18 - 04:58 PM (#3966308)
Subject: RE: BS: Trump ch. 3 The Fall
From: Donuel

"Even if I am guilty of campaign finance practices, So What?"

The Don 'Godfather' Trump.


17 Dec 18 - 02:27 PM (#3966857)
Subject: RE: BS: Trump ch. 3 The Fall
From: SamStone

we all need to become in our local poitico...have our voices heard...silence is stupidity and will land us right back to never land.


17 Dec 18 - 02:27 PM (#3966858)
Subject: RE: BS: Trump ch. 3 The Fall
From: SamStone

should read "become involved"


18 Dec 18 - 11:00 PM (#3967159)
Subject: RE: BS: Trump ch. 3 The Fall
From: Donuel

The crack in the dam has opened enough to have the Trump foundation
( a so called charitable foundation) dissolved amid alleged a shocking pattern of illegality. All assets are being distributed to charities designated by the State of New York.


19 Dec 18 - 12:13 AM (#3967162)
Subject: RE: BS: Trump ch. 3 The Fall
From: EBarnacle

When Trump leaves office, by whatever means, there will be a national surplus of golf carts that the Secret Service was required to buy at retail.


19 Dec 18 - 07:19 AM (#3967223)
Subject: RE: BS: Trump ch. 3 The Fall
From: Donuel

The armor on those suckers is impressive

The Judge told Flynn "You sold out your country. I can not hide my disgust..." Sentencing is delayed until Flynn reveals more.


I do not know what Mueller knows but my bet is on Russian Oil and intrigue in Saudi Arabia, Asian gold mines, Russian loans and enough emolliants to choke a goat.

Speaking of goats, the one diamond in the Trump poo is the prison reform bill.


19 Dec 18 - 10:40 AM (#3967247)
Subject: RE: BS: Trump ch. 3 The Fall
From: Mossback

Diamond? More like a rhinestone, but better than nothing.


21 Dec 18 - 02:53 AM (#3967617)
Subject: RE: BS: Trump ch. 3 The Fall
From: KarenH

It seems Trump's head of military has resigned following Trump's decision to leave Syria (we have been told Trump falsely believes ISIS has been defeated). This is the one who said Trump had the understanding of a ten year old child. His exit has been rumoured for some months; it seems this latest was the last straw.


It all reminds me of Ancient Rome before Augustus took over.


21 Dec 18 - 06:47 AM (#3967657)
Subject: RE: BS: Trump ch. 3 The Fall
From: Donuel

We also have 17 hours before the government shuts down unless Trump signs a continuing resolution but Trump is leaving town for Mara Lago in 15 hours,for the next 16 days.


21 Dec 18 - 07:16 AM (#3967665)
Subject: RE: BS: Trump ch. 3 The Fall
From: Donuel

His 'deflections' are growing larger and more insane.


21 Dec 18 - 07:05 PM (#3967769)
Subject: RE: BS: Trump ch. 3 The Fall
From: Donuel

In a couple hours the Xmas Trump government shut down will begin.
This time my wife's division will not shut down. I'm glad someone understood that some experiments can not be interrupted even for a day, week or a month.


22 Dec 18 - 12:59 PM (#3967879)
Subject: RE: BS: Trump ch. 3 The Fall
From: Jim Carroll

Another major defection from Trumps army
Is this really happening - it has all the appearance of a Hollywood disaster movie
Pity Harvey Weinstock is otherwise occupied
Jim Carroll


22 Dec 18 - 04:05 PM (#3967910)
Subject: RE: BS: Trump ch. 3 The Fall
From: Iains

It seems Trump's head of military has resigned following Trump's decision to leave Syria (we have been told Trump falsely believes ISIS has been defeated).

There are many ways to interpret the situation in north east Syria.
1)The oil fields east of the Euphrates are providing no revenue streams to Assad's government (Assad incidentally is the legally elected President of the country) THe oil is being sold illegally.
2)Within this   area The Kurds are fighting for an independent territory, while fighting ISIS. US troops are embedded with the Kurds.
3)Turkey will not countenance a Kurdish territory carved out of Turkey and Syria.
4)Russia has moved their lates generation air defence system in Syria and declared a legal no fly zone. Coalition and Israeli planes are now at risk of being shot down, especially after the accidental downing of A Eussian plane recently, that resulted in multiple deaths.
5)If Russia controls the airspace and Erdogan goes after the Kurds(as he intends to), US troops are in the firing line with no air defence.
6)Captain sensible would packhis bags and depart before all hell breaks loose.
7) It also needs pointing out that Russia in an invited ally in Syria. US troops are invaders with absolutely no legal basis to justify their presence.


22 Dec 18 - 06:42 PM (#3967936)
Subject: RE: BS: Trump ch. 3 The Fall
From: robomatic

Just relaying - On Washington Week in Review one of the normally pretty sensible reliable commentators gave his view that the Trump administration is not going to last much longer. I was surprised by the bluntness.

Again I'm going to bring up President , er, Captain Queeg from the book "The Caine Mutiny" and the character so well played by Humphrey Bogart in the movie, which was almost as good as the book:

Just because you have an incompetent leader is no reason to abandon him to his worst enemy (himself). He needs some kind of support for the good of the coungtry. Unfortunately General Mattis was one of those supports.


23 Dec 18 - 09:44 AM (#3968025)
Subject: RE: BS: Trump ch. 3 The Fall
From: Donuel

I am not being funny but the only advisement between legal military orders and Donald Trump now is Jared Kushner and Ivanka with secondary advise by John Bolton and Stephen Miller.

btw our government has 'legally' shut down.


25 Dec 18 - 02:02 PM (#3968287)
Subject: RE: BS: Trump ch. 3 The Fall
From: SamStone

in reference to climate change being a hoax ... read the latest news concerning the Marshall Islands.


27 Dec 18 - 07:54 PM (#3968530)
Subject: RE: BS: Trump The Wall
From: Donuel

A Trump wall tortures for effectiveness.

A wall made from used glass beer bottles and concrete is a cost saving wall until you seal a quantity of nitric acid in the glass bottles.

The cheese slicer wall rotates 3/4 of the way up to slice any wall climber into three sections. Razor wire prevents any intrusion while the wall tips over every 20 ft.

clever killer ladders

Toxic recycled plastic no pest strip wall.