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BS: Richard III

23 Mar 15 - 06:01 PM (#3696250)
Subject: BS: Richard I I I
From: olddude

530 years and found in a parking lot.. Was he the guy that killed the kids to get the throne or am I thinking of someone else. How do they know it's him. I only heard bits and pieces of it


23 Mar 15 - 06:03 PM (#3696251)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard I I I
From: olddude

Dang 530 years of parking is a lot of quarters in the meter


23 Mar 15 - 06:04 PM (#3696252)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard I I I
From: GUEST

They identified him by DNA matching with a living relative.


23 Mar 15 - 06:35 PM (#3696260)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard I I I
From: GUEST

A box of old bones - who's paying for all this lavish regal reburial pomp and circumpants ???


23 Mar 15 - 06:49 PM (#3696263)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard I I I
From: maeve

Dan- http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/environment/archaeology/10031896/King-Richard-IIIs-teeth-and-jaw-reveal-monarchs-anxious-l


23 Mar 15 - 06:52 PM (#3696264)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard I I I
From: GUEST,#

I doubt it'll be the Plantagenets.


23 Mar 15 - 07:05 PM (#3696267)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard I I I
From: olddude

Thanks maeve


23 Mar 15 - 07:37 PM (#3696270)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard I I I
From: GUEST

Al Capone sent his hoods out to borrow a book from the Chicago Library. When they got there they said to the librarian "Mr Capone wants a book called 'Dick The Shit' "
The librarian said she'd never heard of it so they riddled the library with bullets.
They tell Al that the library doesn't have 'Dick The Shit'.
Al Capone says "It's not 'Dick The Shit', I asked for 'Richard the Turd"


23 Mar 15 - 07:38 PM (#3696271)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard I I I
From: LadyJean

The jury is still out on Richard's murder of his nephews.


23 Mar 15 - 08:17 PM (#3696274)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard I I I
From: Sandra in Sydney

maeve's link is not working for me - page with recent stories

see the June 14 article - 'Richard III's bones will be reburied in a coffin made by his descendant' - The story says the woodworker is a seven times great-nephew of the last Plantagenet king, not a descendant - the article title was probably written by a sub-editor.


23 Mar 15 - 08:45 PM (#3696275)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard I I I
From: maeve

Trying again, for Sandra is correct my link failed.Anyone having trouble with these randomly chosen two links, please search for the link titles.

King Richard III's teeth and jaw reveal monarch's anxious life and violent death (The Telegram)
:

Richard III taken to final resting place after 500 years (The Guardian)


23 Mar 15 - 09:58 PM (#3696282)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard I I I
From: EBarnacle

There is a recent book detailing the archeological search which resulted in the find. The dig was partially sponsored by the Richard the third Society, which is largely concerned with rehabilitating his name.
I believe the title is "The Search for Richard III."


24 Mar 15 - 12:35 AM (#3696294)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard I I I
From: Backwoodsman

Here Ya go, oldude...

Stuff about Richard lll


24 Mar 15 - 02:41 AM (#3696304)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard I I I
From: Musket

So... Does that mean our Liz isn't necessarily the heir to the throne?

That'll be nice for the Christians who after all the arguing over women Bishops didn't actually like having a woman as head of their church.

Rather funny really that during the coronation God is asked if she got through the interview OK.

When I visited the Bosworth battlefield, there were lots of "and his men came over that hill there " stuff and a small print in the guide saying it was possibly four miles away in reality.

Still. Fascinating stuff and of course, Dick III was a real King with power, and thankfully we have a constitutional monarchy now, all the waving and fleecing tourists without letting them actually make any decisions other than whether to get the corgis neutered.


24 Mar 15 - 03:50 AM (#3696311)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard I I I
From: Nigel Parsons

Richard three eyes:

Must be related to that fish in The Simpsons.


24 Mar 15 - 03:53 AM (#3696313)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard I I I
From: GUEST,Ellen Vannin

At the time of Richard III there were two methods of getting the crown - inherit it or win it by getting rid of the previous incumbent. We later added another method - get offered the crown by parliament if the current incumbent wasn't doing his job to parliament's satisfaction. I have heard that there were 43 nearer relatives who were passed over when George I was offered the throne, but parliament felt he would be the best (ie most compliant) candidate.


24 Mar 15 - 04:08 AM (#3696318)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard I I I
From: The Sandman

The Battle of Bosworth Field.
(Dick Miles)

1.On the 22nd of August with glistening sword and shield.
Brave Richard king of England,did fight at Bosworth Field.
He led his troops in battle,and death did bravely face
The White Rose did fall never more to be replaced.
Chorus.A horse, a horse,my kingdom for a horse.

2.Fight on stout hearted swordsman for king and country fight.
and aim you well bold archers the enemy well fright.
oh take you heed Northumberland and false Lord Stanley.
Have courage me lads for victorious we shall be.
Chorus.

3. So thick and fast the arrows around the king did fly
when to the south marching up the hill false Stanley he did spy.
he mounted on his charger,to fight all for his crown
The White Rose did fall never more to leave the ground
Chorus

4.Unseated from his charger as on the ground lay he
surrounded and out numberd by lord stanleys infantry
they quickly stoop to kill as hawks high in the sky
The White Rose did fall theselast words he then did cry
Chorus

5.and so the last of the House of York to death did come at last
He ruled his people fairly and the law for bail he passed
a good and noble ruler by the Tudors so disgraced.
The White Rose did fall never more to be replaced.
chorus.

copyright, Dick Miles.
this song was written about 1984,and recorded on Cheating the Tide GVR227,with Martin Carthy playing guitar.
my inspiration was a book called The Daughter of Time,by Josephine Tey,I realised that Richard the Third,had been unfairly treated by historians,and particularly by William Shakespeare.
Shakespeare was writing at a time when if you criticised the existing monarchy you could be executed,and had to be careful not to upset the ruling Tudor dynasty,who were close relatives of Henry the Seventh.
I think this tune is suited to open guitar tuning,I played it in emodal or Eminor,but I would of course be happy for anyone to sing the song,and do it just how they want.
I am not sure but I think the tune is in the dorian mode. Dick Miles


24 Mar 15 - 04:32 AM (#3696319)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard I I I
From: Keith A of Hertford

When the coffin was processed to the Cathedral to lie in state, thousands lined the route and threw white roses.
People are being advised to stay away now because the wait to see it is so long.

It is a piece of real history. The last king of England to die in battle.
The funeral will be a national event.


24 Mar 15 - 05:08 AM (#3696328)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard I I I
From: Thompson

I was reminded, looking at the interested crowds lining the route, of the old funeral joke: "Give the people what they want, and they'll surely come."

He doesn't seem to have been at all a good person; in fact, rather than good or evil, he sounds as if he might have been under the influence of paranoia. The fury with which he was killed - stabbed again and again, in the arse and the head, would remind you of the attack on Gadaffi in his last moments.

I'd personally find it at the very least suspicious that the nephews under his care would have quietly disappeared from sight, and then never have been seen again. Cui bono?

As for the legitimacy of the current British royals, Henry VII, the first of the Tudors (shits of the first water) married the daughter of Edward VI, Elizabeth of York, so their children were a mixture of Plantagenet and Tudor (shudder).


24 Mar 15 - 06:24 AM (#3696341)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard I I I
From: Big Al Whittle

quote of the week
TV reporter to historian:-
Now Richard III - he did, at one time, have something of a bad reputation......
And I'm thinking.........yeh and Hitler was a little bit naughty!


24 Mar 15 - 07:11 AM (#3696357)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard I I I
From: GUEST,Officer Bollix

High time Mudcat had a 'like' button. I L'dOL at Dick the Shit.

Otherwise, what a waste of public money. Interesting as an article in the Radio Times, utterly irrelavant to life in the 21st Century UK. Depressing.


24 Mar 15 - 07:25 AM (#3696360)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard I I I
From: OldNicKilby

Well I for one am very proud of the events of Sunday, well managed and staged. It was a shame that it seemed that every bloody Vicar in the county got a seat in the Cathedral , but Hey Ho. A great event for Leicester and many are quite rightly proud. The only ones who are not are the jealous Tykes who cost Leicester a cool £250,000 mounting the challenge. It will bring a great deal of Tourist cash into our City


24 Mar 15 - 07:40 AM (#3696364)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard I I I
From: Rapparee

With his Brooklyn/Chicago accent it would have been "Richard DA (or possibly D') Turd."


24 Mar 15 - 08:06 AM (#3696373)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard I I I
From: GUEST

Public spending priorities - box of old bones or teachers and nurses... hmmmm ?????


24 Mar 15 - 08:20 AM (#3696379)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard I I I
From: Uncle_DaveO

I can recommend the book about the search for Richard
III's grave. FASkinatin' !!

No one claimed that he personally did the nephews in;
he was not even in the area at the time the "murder"
was thought to have happened. Did he arrange for the
murderer to do it? That's another question.

Actually, there was no real reason to believe that
they were even dead. They were missing from the Tower, which
was the Royal residence at the time, where they had been kept.
It was only after quite a number of years that the accusatory
finger was pointed at him.

Dave Oesterreich


24 Mar 15 - 08:51 AM (#3696391)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard I I I
From: Keith A of Hertford

Very little public money is being spent on this.
There really is no down side to this event, except for Mudcat professional whingers.


24 Mar 15 - 08:54 AM (#3696394)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard I I I
From: Rumncoke

Well - he was Richard of York - I feel he should have been repatriated.

I've not been involved being down on the South coast - where I noticed that the 'plant a genete' was in bloom on Sunday.


24 Mar 15 - 08:58 AM (#3696395)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: Musket

Or people who aren't as fascinated by military nonsense as you are. What makes dying in battle so special?

Yeah, good for the tourists, fascinating for those who enjoy royal history but those for whom it is as important as stamps collecting or religious stuff.. Whingers?

zzzzz


24 Mar 15 - 09:02 AM (#3696397)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: Stilly River Sage

You need to get your hands on a copy of Josephine Tey's The Daughter of Time. It is a popular mystery (pub. ca 1951) in which she credibly makes the case for Richard's innocence in the murder of the princes in the tower. Over the years since its publication a lot of people have been waiting for the other shoe to drop, such as the events this week.

SRS


24 Mar 15 - 09:10 AM (#3696401)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker

Now for me and many others, news of this recent find of old bones is far more fascinating and awe inspiring...

'Monster salamanders' found in fossilised mass grave


24 Mar 15 - 09:39 AM (#3696414)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: Greg F.

With his Brooklyn/Chicago accent it would have been "Richard DA (or possibly D') Turd."

Dat's TOID, Rap.

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24 Mar 15 - 09:51 AM (#3696421)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: GUEST,leeneia

Here's a good video about it all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDHDvnnK4nI

But what about music? Did they play any interesting music at the funeral? Early-music freaks want to know.


24 Mar 15 - 09:53 AM (#3696422)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: Manitas_at_home

"
Well - he was Richard of York - I feel he should have been repatriated."

He was also Duke of Gloucester...


24 Mar 15 - 10:00 AM (#3696424)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: Ed T

Did he ever fibd a horse?


24 Mar 15 - 10:23 AM (#3696435)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: Backwoodsman

Lee dia, the funeral hasn't happened yet. The remains are lying in an open coffin in Leicester Cathedral, on view to the public. The funeral takes place this coming Thursday, IIRC.


24 Mar 15 - 10:57 AM (#3696450)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: Manitas_at_home

I thought the coffin was closed? On Sunday, at the service, it was covered with a pall.


24 Mar 15 - 10:59 AM (#3696451)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: olddude

I think it's really cool how they found him and identified the remains. Just read up on it. Cool history and gives people a tie to the past. One of his dependants made the casket.. Neat


24 Mar 15 - 11:10 AM (#3696454)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: Backwoodsman

It was covered, Manitas, but I seem to recall that the BBC news bulletins yesterday described the coffin as being 'open'. They could simply have removed the lid for viewing, of course. I'm sure it will be closed for the burial.


24 Mar 15 - 11:24 AM (#3696459)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: Backwoodsman

Just looked at pics taken inside the cathedral, the coffin looks to be draped with a dark covering-cloth, and has what appears to be a crown on the top. So either BBC news had it wrong, or I mis-heard (certainly not impossible!) and the coffin is not open.

Apologies foe the error.


24 Mar 15 - 11:26 AM (#3696461)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: Manitas_at_home

Open or Oaken?


24 Mar 15 - 11:29 AM (#3696462)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: Big Al Whittle

well lets face it - sod all ever happens in Leicester.

if they make this fuss over a bag of bones, they'll have to close the M1 when Gary Lineker or Engelbert snuffs it.


24 Mar 15 - 11:43 AM (#3696469)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker

I recall eating a kebab in Leicester that made me throw up almost immediately...

That's mainly all I remember about Leicester ???

Nah... no amount of fuss about those old royal bones is ever likely to tempt me back to Leicester...


24 Mar 15 - 11:54 AM (#3696471)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: Backwoodsman

Yep, they very likely said "Oaken", Manitas. My ears have had too many years being blasted by Rock 'n' Roll played at high volume.


24 Mar 15 - 11:57 AM (#3696472)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: Ernest

Little it is known that Mr. Shakespeare even quoted him wrongly. What he really said was:

"A horse! A horse! A kingdom for a horse that can sing a folksong!"


24 Mar 15 - 12:40 PM (#3696479)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: MGM·Lion

Satch right!


24 Mar 15 - 12:56 PM (#3696485)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: Ed T

"A horse! A horse! A kingdom for a horse that can sing a folksong!"

I talked with Ed the horse and he confirmed this quote, from traditional horse knowledge. However, it is commonly referred to as stable, herd or "ass" songs in this community-versus folk songs.


24 Mar 15 - 01:10 PM (#3696486)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: jonm

A hearse, a hearse.....


I'll get my coat.



All he was really was a below par king.


24 Mar 15 - 01:25 PM (#3696492)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: Don Firth

[The way I heard it, the quote about the singing horse--or the NOT singing horse--came from Big Bill Broonzy when asked if a song he had just sung was a folk song. Subsequently attributed to everyone and his pet chicken....]

In a production of Shakespeare's "Richard the Third," when the great John Barrymore cried out the famous line, "A horse! A horse! My kingdom for a horse!" this struck one audience member as hilarious and he broke into raucous laughter. Stunned silence in the theater as Barrymore's intense eyes slowly swiveled to gaze up at the place from which the laughter had come. Then he raised his arm, pointed a trembling hand, and intoned, "Or saddle me yon braying ass in the balcony!!"

Don Firth


24 Mar 15 - 01:39 PM (#3696496)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: Will Fly

Leicester in the 1960s was a great place for music - loads of folk, blues, jazz and rock being played everywhere. Bought my first blues album - "Sonny Terry and Brownie McGhee" - in Leicester market, and worked in the upstairs music bar in the old Victoria tavern.

Rock on Dick!


24 Mar 15 - 05:23 PM (#3696537)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: MGM·Lion

Don Firth -- The "dreary axiom" {Bert Lloyd] is attribd both to Armstrong & Broonzy. It's surprised anyone would want to be known as the originator of anything so bloody stupid -- but maybe we'd better not start that one again, eh? I mean, I've never heard a horse reciting Paradise Lost so does that mean it's a

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz


24 Mar 15 - 05:26 PM (#3696540)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: The Sandman

LEICESTER had some very nice women.


24 Mar 15 - 05:38 PM (#3696544)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: GUEST

ROYGBIV -> ROLGBIV ?


24 Mar 15 - 05:47 PM (#3696546)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: GUEST

"ROYGBIV -> ROLGBIV ?" ?????????????????????????????????


24 Mar 15 - 06:05 PM (#3696550)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: GUEST,#

ROYGBIV is a mnemonic to remember the order of colours of a rainbow. Red, orange, yellow, green, blue, indigo and violet. I would guess that the L stands for Leicester, but who knows?


24 Mar 15 - 06:07 PM (#3696551)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: Don Firth

Trying to put the "dreary axiom" to bed, MGM, so we can get on with more sensible discussion--but it just won't lie down, apparently.

So--back to Dicky 3....

Don Firth


25 Mar 15 - 06:32 AM (#3696655)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: GUEST,Officer Bollix

Wise words on the matter from Charlie Brooker:

Why tug our forelocks to Richard III, a king who's such a diva that he needs two funerals?


25 Mar 15 - 08:44 AM (#3696698)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: GUEST,leeneia

How does one pronounce 'Leicester'?

The funeral's tomorrow. Let us know if there's any good music.


25 Mar 15 - 08:49 AM (#3696699)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: Greg F.

Lester, methinks.


25 Mar 15 - 09:10 AM (#3696706)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker

"How does one pronounce 'Leicester'?

.. depends how much you've had to drink, and if you've just eaten a rancid kebab...???


25 Mar 15 - 09:53 AM (#3696727)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: Steve Shaw

The full name of the town is "Leicester nil".


25 Mar 15 - 12:20 PM (#3696772)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: Thompson

Yeah, maybe he was totally innocent. How often have the heirs to a throne gone quietly missing without any inquiry? I can think of these two little boys, and poor Louis Capet, Marie Antoinette and Louis XVI's son.
I mean, imagine if the current bunch of English royals were wiped out except for little George. Would nobody raise an eyebrow if he then disappeared under questionable circumstances?


25 Mar 15 - 12:34 PM (#3696776)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: The Sandman

what about all the little boys who disappeared off ted heaths yacht.


25 Mar 15 - 01:20 PM (#3696796)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: Thompson

What about all the little boys and girls too who starved to death or were piked or bayoneted or driven over or crushed to death or burned on their mothers' backs in the firebombing of Tokyo or were orphaned or stolen (all those parents who taught the children to remember their name and the name of their village or suburb or town) or traded or enslaved, in thousands of years of dirty human history, yes GSS.


25 Mar 15 - 03:04 PM (#3696842)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: olddude

Geeze everyone has sins from the past no matter what country you live in. Besides it gives folks something to do after a brutal winter. Hell here we celebrate a ground hog day. It is a big rodent that suppose to predict spring. So why not celebrate a lost king for any reason but gets folks out and about


25 Mar 15 - 08:07 PM (#3696942)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: GUEST

How doth the starting lineups go?
'Tis as it was before, with Stan the first, Bill the second
and Richard the Third "


25 Mar 15 - 11:15 PM (#3696982)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: GUEST,leeneia

Still waiting to learn how to pronounce 'Leicester.'


25 Mar 15 - 11:55 PM (#3696988)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: Sandra in Sydney

English/Australian pronunciation is 'lester'


26 Mar 15 - 02:22 AM (#3696995)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: Backwoodsman

It's 'Lester'.
Took my Lowden there for some TLC a couple of weeks ago.


26 Mar 15 - 04:20 AM (#3697019)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: BobL

Red, Orange, Lemon, Green...

Nah, it'll never catch on.


26 Mar 15 - 04:25 AM (#3697020)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: Will Fly

Marry in Hastings - repent at Leicester.


26 Mar 15 - 04:55 AM (#3697027)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: Thompson

leenia, say Leicester


26 Mar 15 - 07:20 AM (#3697063)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: Greg F.

25 Mar 15 - 11:15 PM: Still waiting to learn how to pronounce 'Leicester.'

SEE: 25 Mar 15 - 08:49 AM


26 Mar 15 - 09:03 AM (#3697103)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: GUEST,HuwG at work

I personally enjoyed the production of Shakespeare's "Richard the Third" sponsored by Yeomans' Army and Navy Stores:

"Now is the discount of our winter tents..."


26 Mar 15 - 09:07 AM (#3697105)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: Big Al Whittle

Derek Brimstone told me one time he was driving Tim Hardin home from a gig, and they passed Loughborough on the motorway.

Tim wakes up from a pissed up slumber and sees the the sign and says...My God! we're passing Luger Borugah!

which i think is a better pronunciation than the official one.


26 Mar 15 - 09:25 AM (#3697109)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: Nigel Parsons

Give him a velvet burial shroud. Then we can please those who want a nem mnemonic for the colours of the rainbow.
Richard Of York Gets/Got Buried In Velvet (or shift the burial to St Albans/Verulamium)


26 Mar 15 - 09:26 AM (#3697110)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: GUEST,leeneia

Thanks, all. Now I know how to say "Leicester."


26 Mar 15 - 09:29 AM (#3697113)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: GUEST

"Hey buddy, can you gimme directions to Lie-chester Square"


26 Mar 15 - 12:11 PM (#3697167)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: Don Firth

Gesundheit!!

Don Firth


26 Mar 15 - 11:46 PM (#3697378)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: EBarnacle

Richard da turd is now reinterred.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/englands-richard-iii-finally-gets-burial-fit-for-a-king/ar-AAa1dzb?ocid=U218DHP


27 Mar 15 - 01:32 AM (#3697388)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: Backwoodsman

How can it be 'Lie-chester'? There's no 'h' after the 'c', and the 'e' following the 'c' makes the 'c' soft. So, it can't be 'Lie-chester', but it could conceivably be 'Lie-sester'.

But it's neither, it's 'Lester'. Get over it. 😄


27 Mar 15 - 03:26 AM (#3697404)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: GUEST

'Lie-chester'?

Yep, that's exactly how he pronounced it.

I did the decent friendly thing and gave our American visitor the correct directions.
Which was basically "you're close enough, just carry straight on a few more yards"


27 Mar 15 - 05:41 AM (#3697452)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: OldNicKilby

For Heavens sake, you say Leicester like " Les- tur M,Duck" As one whose ancestors were illegal immigrants, we came over from France in boats and the Chief Immigration Officer was right stroppy ,his name was Harold, so one of the lads shot the bugger in the eye with an arrow. So you pronounce it "Les- tur " M' Duck. For the un-initiated "M'Duck " is Anglo Saxon for "My friend "


27 Mar 15 - 06:06 AM (#3697461)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: MGM·Lion

Rich III was in fact Duke of Gloucester, wasn't he -- that's "Gloster", not "Glau-cess-ta".

≈M≈

Some people can be very silly about pronunciations of names. I remember an American I knew at Cambridge who would always facetiously pronounce a S London suburb as "green" [like the colour] "witch" [like a hag on a broomstick], till I pointed out that they had pinched the name lock stock & barrel for the Village section of New York & seemed to have no difficulty saying it. He confessed he had never made the connection.


27 Mar 15 - 01:35 PM (#3697647)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: Thompson

My favourite depiction of Richard III is by Richard Dreyfuss in ≤i>The Goodbye Girl, in which the actor has been told to camp it up.


27 Mar 15 - 02:49 PM (#3697671)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: Big Al Whittle

I wonder if our American friends knew that a Richard is cockney rhymming slang for a turd?

as in - I done this big richard!

You can imagine Dick Van Dyke singing abaht that in Mary Poppins - at least I can! But thats my vivid imagination running away with me yet again.


27 Mar 15 - 03:01 PM (#3697677)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: Big Al Whittle

Oh I done a great big Richard in the khasi Mary!
I done a Richard, then I had a wee!
Tiddly tiddly tum! then I wiped me bum!
Chim Chimminy chim chim cheree!


27 Mar 15 - 06:00 PM (#3697720)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: Steve Shaw

Try these:

Launceston
Frome
Woolfardisworthy
Bicester
Rough Tor
Mousehole
Oswaldtwistle
Altrincham
Leigh
Alnwick
St Teath
Polzeath


27 Mar 15 - 10:25 PM (#3697758)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: GUEST,leeneia

I give up, Steve. Tell me how to say them.
=========
Meanwhile, there has been a perhaps-inevitable development:

"The living relatives of Richard III, the last English king to perish in battle, are now faced with a bill of over £100,000 from Leicester City Council for a parking space the monarch occupied for well over five hundred years.

A spokesman for the council said: 'We don't care who you are; you can't avoid Hawkeye Parking Enforcement sensors. Given that Richard arrived at the site about half a millennium before we installed the system, we didn't clock him arriving, but we saw the whole exhumation thing. He's been down there for ages. We are fully within our rights to issue parking fines retrospectively, even to those with alleged spinal disability."
===========
It was in the Newsbiscuit, so it must be true.


28 Mar 15 - 06:37 AM (#3697819)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: Big Al Whittle

goes to the tune - its a jolly holiday with mary

Oh I done a great big Richard in the khasi Mary!
I done a Richard, then I had a wee!
Tiddly tiddly tum! then I wiped me bum!
Chim Chimminy chim chim cheree!


28 Mar 15 - 06:51 AM (#3697825)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: Steve Shaw

Lanson
Froom
Woolzery
Bister
Rowter ("row" as in we had a nasty row when I got home drunk last night)
Mowzle
Ozzletwizzle
Oltringum
Lee
Annick
St Teth
Polzeth


28 Mar 15 - 09:17 AM (#3697861)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: Acorn4

"Dick the Shit"


28 Mar 15 - 09:22 AM (#3697864)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: BrendanB

How about,
Cambois
Alnmouth
Sedbergh
Berwick


28 Mar 15 - 01:41 PM (#3697911)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: HuwG

Comedian Bob Monkhouse once worried that in Mousehole (pronounced "Mowzle"), he would be introduced as "Bob Mucus".


28 Mar 15 - 02:58 PM (#3697915)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: GUEST

Thanks, Steve. I don't think there are many American names where people simply disregard consonants or even whole syllables like that.

We do have Blytheville, which rhymes with Bible. It's in Arkansas.
I helped build a power line there.


28 Mar 15 - 04:28 PM (#3697931)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: MGM·Lion

Arkansas? Ah-kin-saw...


28 Mar 15 - 04:40 PM (#3697935)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: Steve Shaw

Norlins.


29 Mar 15 - 04:47 PM (#3698183)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: GUEST,leeneia

Yes, MGM Lion, I forgot about Arkansas. Actually, it only skips one letter, the final s.

Steve Shaw: don't say Norlins unless your family has lived there a long time, perhaps without learning to read.    The rest of us say New Or-lens.

What do we know about the music played at Richard III's funeral?


29 Mar 15 - 07:22 PM (#3698210)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: Steve Shaw

Whaddya mean? I meant Norlins, a tiny village just outside Bude. ;-)


29 Mar 15 - 10:48 PM (#3698241)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: GUEST,Pauline Lerner

My source of info for the following is The Guardian UK, a very up-to-date, thorough, and liberal newspaper. DNA analysis has uncovered a problem with Richard III's heritage. It was discovered by analysis of mitochondrial DNA, which is maternally inherited, as well as nuclear DNA, which comes from both parents and is the kind usually analyzed. At some point in history before Richard III, the paternal line was changed, but the maternal line was not. One of the kings was cuckolded. After that, none of the kings was descended from the king at the top of the original paternal line.

A very large sum of money was spent to move the royal casket from the parking lot to the church, have a big burial ceremony, and reinter Richard III. The newspaper gave some good reasons why too much money was spent. (1) England is now in a state of fiscal austerity. (2) Richard III was not a nice guy. He had two nephews who had better rights to be king than he did, so he had them locked in the Tower of London and then killed. (3) There is a controversy over which church he should be buried in.

I'm glad that in my country we have no kings, just dirty politicians.


30 Mar 15 - 04:24 AM (#3698290)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: GUEST,Andiliqueur

I would never base your knowledge of history on the UK Guardian! The Ceremony was comparitively simple by London Standards and hopefully will be justified by benefits to Leicester's economy. It has not been and probably cannot be proven that he killed his nephews. His name is woven into the history of Leicester by street mames,schools and pubs etc. We (I was born here) have always kept him and it is right that he should be reinterred in a Holy Place within a few yards of the site in which he has lain for over 500 years.


30 Mar 15 - 04:35 AM (#3698293)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: Nigel Parsons

100


30 Mar 15 - 04:39 AM (#3698294)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: MGM·Lion

Re Arkansas -- Maybe only the final s is suppressed, & I suppose it could be argued that the distortion of the penultimate a has precedent in 'although and also and all'. But not convincingly IMO, leeneia.

≈M≈

Let's go travellin'

♩♩pom tiddy pom tiddy pom pom pom
    pom pom pom pom tiddy tiddy pom pom♫


30 Mar 15 - 08:34 AM (#3698346)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: Uncle_DaveO

Yes, Arkansas, the state, is pronounced "Arkansaw."

But the river named Arkansas is the Ar-KANN-zus River.
I don't know whether the state was named after the river
or vice versa.

Dave Oesterreich


30 Mar 15 - 10:39 AM (#3698380)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: EBarnacle

If you wish to visit now that his tomb is unveiled--

http://artdaily.com/news/77494/-Car-park-king--Richard-III-s-tomb-revealed-#.VRlrvWdFDcs


30 Mar 15 - 10:53 AM (#3698383)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: Bonzo3legs

Was he King of Ireland as well - if so he would have been Richard the Turd!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


30 Mar 15 - 11:03 AM (#3698386)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: GUEST

Was it people constantly calling him Richard the turd that gave him the hump ???


30 Mar 15 - 11:20 AM (#3698398)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: Don Firth

According to the skeleton, Richard III was not really a "hunchback," but suffered from a severe scoliosis--lateral curvature of the spine.

Don Firth


30 Mar 15 - 11:50 AM (#3698410)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: GUEST

Don - he wasn't really a 'turd' either, research shows he was in reality a human being ...

but do jokes need to care about facts ???


30 Mar 15 - 12:16 PM (#3698417)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: Don Firth

Guest, I was not really responding to you.

It seemed like an appropriate opportunity to counter the popular misconception that Richard III was a "hunchback," a la Quasimodo. The skeleton clearly shows that he had a severe scoliosis. That can be uncomfortable in the best of times and very painful in the worst of times, and can tend to make one a little cranky....

"Now is the winter of our discontent....", i.e., "My back is killin' me!"

Don Firth


30 Mar 15 - 02:51 PM (#3698453)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: EBarnacle

When we preparing to act R III, this past Summer, I realized that the first line sets the stage for the entire play. His use of the word "our" is an adoption of the "Royal We," showing his intent to become king over everyone else's prior rights to the crown.

A history I read this past year indicates that the scoliosis did not begin until his adolescence.


30 Mar 15 - 11:19 PM (#3698531)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: GUEST,leeneia

I believe that is usually develops that way - starts in adolescence.

As for the money spent on Richard's funeral, the video of his funeral cortege shows two motorcycle cops (possibly off duty), two knights on horseback, about four black cars, and little car in blue and yellow, marked "Police." I suspect the Police car was a parking control car with a peel-off sign stuck on. All that was organized by the Richard III Society, not the government.

When we compare Richard's funeral with the cost of a royal wedding, Mardi Gras or New York's St Patrick's Day parade, the cost was piffling. And it gave something to talk about besides Jeremy Clarkson.
===================
Re: ♩♩pom tiddy pom tiddy pom pom pom
    pom pom pom pom tiddy tiddy pom pom♫

Is that a quotation from Winnie the Pooh or is it "Arkansas Traveller"?


31 Mar 15 - 02:31 AM (#3698551)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: Backwoodsman

Leeneia, it was a pukka Police Car - we don't have 'parking control cars' (whatever they are!) here. And our police cars are smaller and considerably more agile than those barges-on-wheels that your police have. 😄😄


31 Mar 15 - 03:55 AM (#3698566)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: MGM·Lion

Tap the rhythm out, Leeneia, and I think you'll identify the tune. I can't offhand think of a Hum·Of·Pooh that has that precise cadence.

≈M≈


31 Mar 15 - 08:54 AM (#3698636)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: GUEST,leeneia

Okay, MGM. (It's nice to know that others here know of the Hums of Pooh.)
============
Parking-control car: in which, for example, Lovely Rita Metah Maid would cruise the curbs and hand out citations.


31 Mar 15 - 10:54 AM (#3698656)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: MGM·Lion

Ah, my dear, I was actually given Now We Are Six on my sixth birthday -- 12 May 1938. Have still got it. And can when provoked, recite The Knight Whose Armour Didn't Squeak right through!

≈M≈

Wherever I am there's always Pooh
There's always Pooh and me


31 Mar 15 - 11:01 AM (#3698657)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: Backwoodsman

"Parking-control car: in which, for example, Lovely Rita Metah Maid would cruise the curbs and hand out citations."

Nope, we don't have pawkin' control cars cruisin' the kerbs, Leenia. Nor do we have 'Meter Maids', that description was a figment of Macca's imagination! We have Traffic Wardens who hand out tickets, not citations, and they patrol on foot (occasionally on a bicycle).

Now repeat after me..."They don't have parking control cars in the UK, they don't have parking control cars in the UK, they don't have parking....zzzzzzzz! 😄😄👍


31 Mar 15 - 12:33 PM (#3698692)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: MGM·Lion

'Nor do we have 'Meter Maids', that description was a figment of Macca's imagination! We have Traffic Wardens who hand out tickets, not citations, and they patrol on foot (occasionally on a bicycle).'
.,,.,
Not entirely a figment, or an invention of P McCartney's own -- "Meter Maid" was an idiomatically accepted, somewhat facetious, tabloid-press-style nickname for a female traffic warden, which was Macca's reference.

≈M≈


31 Mar 15 - 12:41 PM (#3698694)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: Backwoodsman

True, Michael, but I've never heard them habitually called 'Meter Maids' by anyone other than tabloid journalists. I've heard them called a lot of other names though! 😄


31 Mar 15 - 08:55 PM (#3698771)
Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: EBarnacle

In NYC, male or female, they get called meter maids. We don't respect them either.