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09 Feb 12 - 12:17 PM (#3304941)
Subject: BS: Ashcan Alley Comic Strip
From: GUEST,john f weldon

Hi Folks....

Since the beginning of December, I've been posting a daily comic strip on Facebook.   I thought I would keep it going for 2 weeks; I've now gone over 2 months, due to popular demand.

Of course, not everyone is on Facebook, so I've also been posting them on my website. (Not as regularly, but as I write, they're up to date.)

Here's where they start, four on each page, total currently 18 pages worth! (72 strips!)

Ashcan Alley Strip

cheers John F Weldon


09 Feb 12 - 12:54 PM (#3304968)
Subject: RE: BS: Ashcan Alley Comic Strip
From: Stilly River Sage

Thanks for posting it here! I've been catching them every so often - they're good, John!

SRS


09 Feb 12 - 01:57 PM (#3304999)
Subject: RE: BS: Ashcan Alley Comic Strip
From: gnu

Good stuff! Thanks.


10 Feb 12 - 08:37 AM (#3305319)
Subject: RE: BS: Ashcan Alley Comic Strip
From: Jim Dixon

Named, no doubt, alter the famous Russian-Italian conductor Vladimir Ashkenalli.

I love the comic strip! I plan to post a link to it on one of my favorite non-Mudcat web sites.

Hey, this is the first time I've run across the expression "colin de bin." I've done enough Googling to find it's a French-Canadian swearing term, but I have yet to find a good definition or translation. Any help?


10 Feb 12 - 08:52 AM (#3305324)
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From: bobad

Colline de binnes = hill of beans.


10 Feb 12 - 08:54 AM (#3305327)
Subject: RE: BS: Ashcan Alley Comic Strip
From: bobad

Call in the Bin


10 Feb 12 - 12:28 PM (#3305437)
Subject: RE: BS: Ashcan Alley Comic Strip
From: Jim Dixon

Indeed, my father (who had no connection to Canada or France that I know of) used to say "It ain't worth a hill o' beans."

But Google doesn't recognize "binnes" or anything like it as a translation for "beans." What's up with that?


10 Feb 12 - 12:48 PM (#3305451)
Subject: RE: BS: Ashcan Alley Comic Strip
From: bobad

"But Google doesn't recognize "binnes" or anything like it as a translation for "beans." What's up with that?'

It's Québécois joual.


10 Feb 12 - 12:55 PM (#3305458)
Subject: RE: BS: Ashcan Alley Comic Strip
From: GUEST,john f weldon

Binnes is from the English "Beans", but considered bad grammer. Fevres is "correct". But the real reason it's a swear word is the same as Sacre Blue (from Sacre Dieu)... ...it sound like you're going to say "Calice" (Chalice)... ...and suddenly switch the ending. Calice is very naughty, since it refers to the Communion Chalice.

To say this correctly, you must go slowww start fast end... ....Cawwwwllllllll..... ....indabin!


10 Feb 12 - 01:05 PM (#3305467)
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From: rumanci

My daily second smile John and your books are even better to indulge in multiple ones. Thankyou muchly!


10 Feb 12 - 01:14 PM (#3305476)
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From: bobad

Often "Caline", stretched out as shown by John, is used in a way to make it sound like an innocuous substitute for "Calice" without the "de binnes" added on to it. Adding "de binnes" turns it into a word play on "Calice" and "colline de binnes".


10 Feb 12 - 01:20 PM (#3305480)
Subject: RE: BS: Ashcan Alley Comic Strip
From: gnu

Callllice taberNAC Jean's comic strip is good, eh?


10 Feb 12 - 01:22 PM (#3305481)
Subject: RE: BS: Ashcan Alley Comic Strip
From: bobad

Dat's fer shore, ostie!


10 Feb 12 - 07:43 PM (#3305692)
Subject: RE: BS: Ashcan Alley Comic Strip
From: Jim Dixon

Thanks for the explanation.

If "binnes" is not a true French word, but comes from the English "beans," then it's Franglais, no? Or is "Franglais" a word that is only used in France? Would "Québécois" be a better term? And should "Franglais" and "Québécois" be capitalized?

By the way, I went Googling for "worth a hill of beans" and the oldest usage I found was this: "For that purpose it is not worth a hill of beans." (From a transcription of Indiana legislative debates, 1861)

I hope John doesn't mind me hijacking his thread.


10 Feb 12 - 08:31 PM (#3305714)
Subject: RE: BS: Ashcan Alley Comic Strip
From: gnu

"Franglais" is a term used here in Maritime Canada. Speaking mostly Acadian French (and Shaque (slang) - there are other spellings) mixed with English as a second language is commonplace for a third of the population of the area I live in. It's simply history. And it's a vibrant and rich, sometimes sad, history of which we are all proud. The mix is varied and enriches us all.


11 Feb 12 - 05:34 AM (#3305838)
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From: Joe Offer

John, you are one of the most creative people to ever set foot into Mudcat. Crazy, perhaps - but certainly creative.

Cheers!!

-Joe-


11 Feb 12 - 07:43 AM (#3305898)
Subject: RE: BS: Ashcan Alley Comic Strip
From: GUEST,john f weldon

Sadly, in Quebec, the Office de la Langue Francais has been vigorously stamping out those colourful Franglais expressions. No more binnes, or "flatire" (pneu brise, svp), or hamburger (now the wholly invented French word, "Hambourgeois").

In France, it's okay to Stop and Park to go to a Screening. In Quebec you must Arret and Stationnez pour voir une Vissionment!

Sad & dull.


11 Feb 12 - 07:56 AM (#3305906)
Subject: RE: BS: Ashcan Alley Comic Strip
From: bobad

And "deux hot dogs all dress" has become "deux chien chauds tout garnis".


11 Feb 12 - 08:43 AM (#3305924)
Subject: RE: BS: Ashcan Alley Comic Strip
From: bobad

You will notice that in translating "hamburger" to "hambourgeois" they did the "burger" part but left the English "ham" so that technically it should really be "jambonbourgeois".........ah, the silliness of social engineering through linguistics.


11 Feb 12 - 12:43 PM (#3306045)
Subject: RE: BS: Ashcan Alley Comic Strip
From: Jim Dixon

Nah, hamburgers are named after Hamburg, Germany, just as frankfurters are named after Frankfurt and wieners are named after Vienna (Wien, in German).

In fact, hamburger, frankfurter, and wiener were all originally German words, not English.

I suppose frankfurters and wieners were once different things but now they are synonyms, at least in the US.

I sort of like the term "hambourgeois." It sounds like a facetious term to me, like pronouncing Target as "tar-ZHAY."


11 Feb 12 - 12:54 PM (#3306054)
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From: gnu

Noun

Hambourgeois m (plural Hambourgeois; feminine Hambourgeoise, plural Hambourgeoises)
1.Hamburger (someone from the German city Hamburg)

So, they only serve male hamburgers in La Belle Province?


11 Feb 12 - 01:28 PM (#3306076)
Subject: RE: BS: Ashcan Alley Comic Strip
From: gnu

john... they started that crap here in Dieppe (borders Moncton, New Brunswick). All signs must have French first and, if English also appears on the sign, English second and the French must be predominently larger.

Perfectly ok for governments to have a requirement for bilingual signs and services but private enterprise should have a choice.

In any case, having tread drift on this thread is a good thing. Keeps the thread on the page longer.

I am trying not to read all of them at once. As my uni math prof said... don't work out all of these problems at once. Just do half a dozen of them a day so you can enjoy them... savour them... you wouldn't eat a whole stalk of bananas at once, would you?


11 Feb 12 - 01:40 PM (#3306083)
Subject: RE: BS: Ashcan Alley Comic Strip
From: bobad

Jim, I am well aware of the origin of those terms - I guess my feeble attempt at tongue-in-cheek humour was a little too subtle.


11 Feb 12 - 01:48 PM (#3306090)
Subject: RE: BS: Ashcan Alley Comic Strip
From: gnu

We know that, bobad. Ahhh... not saying it was feeble... or too subtle. Maybe it's a Canuck thing?


11 Feb 12 - 01:51 PM (#3306093)
Subject: RE: BS: Ashcan Alley Comic Strip
From: EBarnacle

Actually wiener refers to Vienese sausage, sorta like those crappy imiataions of hot dogs you find in the stupidmarket. [If'n yer rilly curious, ask for help finding them.

I do like characters with attitude and character. You'll have to keep working to reach Al Capp level, tho.


11 Feb 12 - 02:44 PM (#3306119)
Subject: RE: BS: Ashcan Alley Comic Strip
From: Jim Dixon

Bobad: As far as I know, there really are people in the world who are ignorant enough to believe that "hamburger" has the word "ham" in it. I don't know you well enough to know whether you are one of them. In fact, most of the time, I don't even notice the name of the person who posted a message; I just respond to the message. It's hard for me to form an idea of the personality of someone I have never met. Only a few Mudcatters have personalities that I can recognize. Most people are just generic Mudcatters to me.

In other words, my mistaking you for someone who didn't know the derivation of "hamburger" was nothing personal.

Maybe I'm also deficient in my ability to recognize irony. I know I've made that mistake many times.


11 Feb 12 - 02:51 PM (#3306121)
Subject: RE: BS: Ashcan Alley Comic Strip
From: Jim Dixon

How can there be such a thing as a crappy imitation of a hotdog?

That's sort of like saying a stupid imitation of Rick Santorum.


11 Feb 12 - 03:00 PM (#3306125)
Subject: RE: BS: Ashcan Alley Comic Strip
From: GUEST,john f weldon

EBarnacle... ...Thanks for goading me on, but I must point out that Al Capp's daily strips were not in colour, and that he was merely the leader of a team of seven guys (artists and gag-writers)! Much of the best art in strip was done by Frank Frazetta. And... ...he was getting paid! (Even Johnny Hart of BC fame had six gag writers.)

BTW - I've often posted links to my films, but since they contain music, they've been above the line. I hereby take the liberty to add this link, in case any below-the-liners have missed some.

Ashcan Alley Productions films.


11 Feb 12 - 03:15 PM (#3306136)
Subject: RE: BS: Ashcan Alley Comic Strip
From: gnu

"How can there be such a thing as a crappy imitation of a hotdog?"

Hahahahaa!


11 Feb 12 - 03:22 PM (#3306139)
Subject: RE: BS: Ashcan Alley Comic Strip
From: Jim Dixon

A hotdog is the lowest form of meat.

I'm not saying I wouldn't eat one, under the right circumstances.


11 Feb 12 - 06:50 PM (#3306311)
Subject: RE: BS: Ashcan Alley Comic Strip
From: EBarnacle

In answer to the question : "How can there be..." you've set yerself up to try them. It's sorta like mistaking SPAM for spiced ham.


11 Feb 12 - 06:51 PM (#3306314)
Subject: RE: BS: Ashcan Alley Comic Strip
From: gnu

Get the cheapest dogs... there ain't much difference.


12 Feb 12 - 11:32 AM (#3306960)
Subject: RE: BS: Ashcan Alley Comic Strip
From: GUEST,john f weldon

BTW, those wishing to read Ashcan Alley updated daily, can find them on Flickr here:

Ashcan Alley on Flickr

(The ones on my website are updated less regularly.)


12 Feb 12 - 01:42 PM (#3307026)
Subject: RE: BS: Ashcan Alley Comic Strip
From: gnu

Thanks John.


12 Feb 12 - 03:11 PM (#3307072)
Subject: RE: BS: Ashcan Alley Comic Strip
From: Bill D

I just started reading this thread yesterday.....and immediately had to go see ALL the cartoons in order. Some of those rank with the best 'meaningful' cartoons I have seen. Ever since I realized what Waly Kelly could say with a few deft drawings and words in Pogo, I have felt that a good cartoonist can say things that need to be said as well as any long, tedious tome.

Thanks for the humor ...and the insights, John.


13 Feb 12 - 07:57 AM (#3307358)
Subject: RE: BS: Ashcan Alley Comic Strip
From: GUEST,john f weldon

Thanks everyone. I intend to continue posting them daily on Facebook and Flickr, with irregular updates on the website, until spring, whenever the weather allows me to be less uf a shut-in. At which point, I'll need to take a healthy break and factor in some jogging, biking, swimming, attending festivals, loafing, and slip in a film or two.

But, thanks to the great encouragement I've received, it will definitely be around for quite a while.

Thanks again.
JFW


24 Feb 12 - 11:10 AM (#3312742)
Subject: RE: BS: Ashcan Alley Comic Strip
From: GUEST,john f weldon

Although I update The Ashcan Alley strip daily on Facebook and Flickr (see above), I am much less regular about updating my website. Nonetheless, if you like reading it there, the latest 4 pages (16 strips) have been added, starting here:

Ashcan alley latest


24 Feb 12 - 12:09 PM (#3312785)
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From: topical tom

Crazy but captivating! Well done, John!


24 Feb 12 - 06:20 PM (#3312958)
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From: Bill D

*big grin*...always clever and challenging! I love 'em!


11 Mar 12 - 01:39 PM (#3321356)
Subject: RE: BS: Ashcan Alley Comic Strip
From: GUEST,john f weldon

Hi folks. Hope your enjoying this. I've updated the comic on my website & the latest update starts here...

latest update

As it turns out, strips 77 to 97 form a kind of continued tale, so if you want to start there, it's half-way down this page when Wallie learns to draw.

starting shemp sequence


11 Mar 12 - 01:41 PM (#3321357)
Subject: RE: BS: Ashcan Alley Comic Strip
From: bobad

You're a brave man, John.


11 Mar 12 - 05:30 PM (#3321431)
Subject: RE: BS: Ashcan Alley Comic Strip
From: Bill D

...but a clever and insightful man..

I'm really enjoying them.


12 Mar 12 - 05:00 PM (#3321906)
Subject: RE: BS: Ashcan Alley Comic Strip
From: gnu

freeresh


31 Mar 12 - 10:56 AM (#3331577)
Subject: RE: BS: Ashcan Alley Comic Strip
From: GUEST,john f weldon

Hi Folks...
Since my last update I've added five more pages... ...twenty new strips... ....starting here....

New Ashcans March31
cheers
JFW


31 Mar 12 - 11:40 AM (#3331598)
Subject: RE: BS: Ashcan Alley Comic Strip
From: gnu

Thanks, John.


31 Mar 12 - 11:45 AM (#3331602)
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From: Bonnie Shaljean

Brilliant! Cheers -


17 May 12 - 09:28 AM (#3352009)
Subject: RE: BS: Ashcan Alley Comic Strip
From: GUEST,john f weldon

Been a while, but I've update the strips on my website, the newest ones start here...

Ashcan 117 and up

Even better. I've added a convenient Table of Contents

AA TOC

If you find any errors, links that don't work missing strips, etc, tell me and I'll try to fix it.
cheers all!


17 May 12 - 06:33 PM (#3352181)
Subject: RE: BS: Ashcan Alley Comic Strip
From: gnu

Haven't read up in a while. Thanks for the reminder, John.


18 May 12 - 04:37 AM (#3352321)
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From: Sandra in Sydney

... finally back after a long absence reading Ashcan Alley

who was it who said ya can't read 'em all at once?

sandra (off to have a rest)


19 May 12 - 07:21 AM (#3352788)
Subject: RE: BS: Ashcan Alley Comic Strip
From: GUEST,john f weldon

Thanks, Sandra, gnu. There are several other regular readers who may have missed this, so... ...refresh!


17 Jun 12 - 09:47 AM (#3364520)
Subject: RE: BS: Ashcan Alley Comic Strip
From: GUEST,john f weldon

I've wound up Season One, and organized the entire season at this link. My last update went up to page 44. Click on the banner, you'll get a Table of Contents, and you should be able to find wherever you left off.

Over two hundred strips, over six months, and a Season 2 preview to bott!


Ashcan Alley Comic Strip


17 Jun 12 - 10:48 AM (#3364534)
Subject: RE: BS: Ashcan Alley Comic Strip
From: Stilly River Sage

I've enjoyed it, John! Thanks!

SRS


18 Jun 12 - 10:40 AM (#3364959)
Subject: RE: BS: Ashcan Alley Comic Strip
From: GUEST,john f weldon

Thanks. I know there are more folks interested who might not have noticed this yet, so refresh.


18 Jun 12 - 01:19 PM (#3365045)
Subject: RE: BS: Ashcan Alley Comic Strip
From: dick greenhaus

John-
I don't care what anyone says---I think your work is great.


18 Jun 12 - 02:05 PM (#3365071)
Subject: RE: BS: Ashcan Alley Comic Strip
From: gnu

Dick... point the bastard out! >;-)

Over two hundred strips, over six months... wow!


19 Jun 12 - 02:14 AM (#3365325)
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From: Ebbie

John f, I too read them sequentially and all at one time. I needed to do an errand so the last few pages I rushed. I'm going to 'trace' this thread and I'll go back later.

They're great. And original- a whippetemu???


28 Dec 12 - 08:06 AM (#3458075)
Subject: RE: BS: Ashcan Alley Comic Strip
From: GUEST,john f weldon

Sorry to be so late at mentioning this, folks, but life, y'know...

Anyway, I started Ashcan Alley Season 2 on December 1 2012. The best way to catch up on the strips is on Flickr, here. You'll have to flip back if you want to start at the Season start...

Ashcan Alley Season 2

I'll try to get them better organized on my website, but an increasing number of grandchildren has slowed things down a mite. Nonetheless, I've put up one every day, and hope to continue into spring or even summer.


29 Dec 12 - 05:12 AM (#3458607)
Subject: RE: BS: Ashcan Alley Comic Strip
From: GUEST,john f weldon

Helloooo.....