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Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5

30 Sep 11 - 04:55 AM (#3231526)
Subject: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: evansakes

Starts tonight....but only on BBC2 Scotland for the moment.

Here's the details for Episode One
    Episode 1 of 6, Series 5
    DURATION: 30 MINUTES
    Transatlantic Sessions once again brings together the best of Nashville, Ireland and Scotland in an award-winning format that affords, in the words of one critic, a unique insight into the sheer joy of making music.
    Recorded in a beautiful old hunting lodge at the entrance to Glen Lyon near Aberfeldy in the Perthshire Highlands, top vocal and instrumental exponents of the Country and Celtic traditions gathered to rehearse and play together with no audience except themselves and a resident house-band of their peers. As with previous series, music co-directors were Nashville's Jerry Douglas and Shetland's Aly Bain.
    Leavening the intimacy of the music-making through each of the six programmes in the series is a strong element of spectacular Highland scenic photography while this time around a greater emphasis on informal backstage conversations and stories serves to highlight the series genuinely historic qualities of collaboration and performance.

Episode Guide


30 Sep 11 - 05:18 AM (#3231533)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: GUEST,CJB

Which reminds me that ALL of the series including the 'lost' series 1 are all on TheBox.bz I expect series 5 will soon follow.


30 Sep 11 - 05:21 AM (#3231534)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: Will Fly

Wonder if there'll be any English musicians in the series... nah - too much to hope for.

I have all the previous series on disc and love 'em to death - but I do wish the handle "Transatlantic" wasn't so biased. It isn't as though all the music was pure folk music anyway - much of it is material composed by the artists.

Anyway, I'll look forward to seeing the new set.


30 Sep 11 - 05:45 AM (#3231543)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: doc.tom

ALL of the series... are WHERE?


30 Sep 11 - 06:52 AM (#3231567)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: Peter C

I complained today to the BBC about it only being on BBC Scotland, but am not holding my breath! Apparently the DVD will be available in December


30 Sep 11 - 06:52 AM (#3231568)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: terrier

I thought there were English, Irish and Scots musicians in all the series? I don't remember seeing any welsh musicians though.


30 Sep 11 - 07:17 AM (#3231579)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: GUEST,Ray

If you have Freesat, you can receive BBC2 Scotland wherever in the UK you happen to be.


30 Sep 11 - 07:29 AM (#3231586)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: GUEST,Frank Lee

Will Fly wrote:- 'Wonder if there'll be any English musicians in the series... nah - too much to hope for'.

Dead right!   They claim it'll be a mixture of American, Scots, and Irish.

I've travelled the world a fair bit in the last 30 years and folks look astonished when I tell them I don't (to my knowledge) play Irish music, even though I'm English. They simply look puzzled if I tell them I play English music.
Moreover, the assumption is made that everything I play MUST be Irish, because I'm English (makes sense doesn't it?), it's just that I play Irish music they've never heard before!

There's a PhD in this I'm sure, and I expect this has been discussed at length here in the past. The Irish/Scottish 'folk industry' - an oxymoron IMHO if ever there was one - probably has too much at stake to admit there's other folk music within these shores.


30 Sep 11 - 07:30 AM (#3231588)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: Commander Crabbe

doc.tom

Here: TheBox.bz

CC


30 Sep 11 - 07:53 AM (#3231595)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: GUEST,matt milton

"I complained today to the BBC about it only being on BBC Scotland, but am not holding my breath! Apparently the DVD will be available in December"

BBC Scotland stuff is put up on iPlayer though, no? I watched all of the "World Accordion to Phil" series (presented by accordionist Phil Cuningham) on iPlayer, and that was a BBC Scotland-only programme.


30 Sep 11 - 08:00 AM (#3231601)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: doc.tom

Thanks Commander


30 Sep 11 - 12:24 PM (#3231740)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: evansakes

Danny Thompson is English....and he's been in it since the first series.

But that's not the point for me. As I see it the programmes have always been a celebration of the results when Celtic music was transplanted by the Irish and Scottish emigrants and subsequently adapted into something quite different but essentially the same (bluegrass, country). The programmes were devised, commissioned, produced and filmed north of the border so it's hardly a surprise that they get broadcast there first. I'm sure they'll get a nationwide airing within the next few months (presumably on BBC4)


30 Sep 11 - 12:40 PM (#3231745)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: GUEST,mg

Good point re ENlgish music. I would like to see and hear more. I am not too aware of English immigrant groups to U.S. other than Cornish. Was there much immigration after early colonial days? Did people tend to go to Canada instead perhaps? What were the patterns? Obviously they could assimilate very easily due to language etc. I would think post-colonial there might have been unpleasantness towards them but I don't know. I can think of towns in my home state that have a Welsh or German or Dutch orientation, but I can't think of English..of course north in Canada Victoria is famously British...I don't know..how much immigration was there, where did they go, what did they do..where are they now? I know a lot came to the early colonies like Virginia, many many as indentured servants. mg


30 Sep 11 - 12:59 PM (#3231757)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: GUEST,Brit

The English were the majority, particularly in the years after the ending of the Napoleonic Wars - see Charlotte Erickson's 'Invisible Immigrants', for example. Although the Breitish government preferred em,igrants to go to Canada, huge numbers went to the United States.


30 Sep 11 - 03:01 PM (#3231823)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: Eric the Viking

20.01 hours on Orkney. It has just finished. It was superb and should be broadcast nationally.


30 Sep 11 - 03:06 PM (#3231825)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: Backwoodsman

Superb.
Can't wait to see Alison Krauss & Union Station in November in Birmingham. And hopefully another 'Transatlantic Sessions Live' tour in the new year?


30 Sep 11 - 03:09 PM (#3231828)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: BTNG

sorry to..ummm..rain on the parades of the Anglos and Anglophiles, but the point to this series was and is the interaction between Scots, I rish, American, and yes, even Canadians got involved (The McGarrigle sisters with Kate's children, Martha and Rufus Wainwright is incredble to watch)Kate & Anna McGarrigle - Hard Times Come Again No More


30 Sep 11 - 03:12 PM (#3231831)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: Eric the Viking

sorry to..ummm..rain on the parades of the Anglos and Anglophiles, but the point to this series was and is the interaction between Scots, I rish, American, and yes, even Canadians ..............

And the point is?


30 Sep 11 - 03:13 PM (#3231833)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: GUEST,mg

Well, hidden within your American subgroup above, there had to have been a lot of English-origened people. We do speak their language, with a Dutch accent it is claimed. mg


30 Sep 11 - 03:23 PM (#3231837)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: BTNG

"American subgroup"...Canadians will not thank you for that
and my point is. We have an incredible series of series happening and the English tradition is not directly involved


30 Sep 11 - 03:24 PM (#3231838)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: BTNG

PS there's alot of the Transatlantic Sessions available on You Tube


30 Sep 11 - 10:01 PM (#3232011)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: Commander Crabbe

If you missed it and have access to Sky Player you can watch it there.

CC


01 Oct 11 - 02:58 AM (#3232074)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: evansakes

Blissful telly....as ever. I think the location this time was the same as the previous series...and thy haven't changed the formula one bit (but then again why would they?).

It's now on the BBC iplayer at that link in the first post above.

ps Great to see Eric Bibb is one of the guests this year....is he the first Afro American to feature on Transatlantic Sessions?


01 Oct 11 - 03:30 AM (#3232077)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: LesB

Thanks for the link to the box.biz but unfortunately it goes straight to a login page, with no other info on it. So can anyone tell me what the box is?
Cheers
Les


01 Oct 11 - 04:10 AM (#3232088)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: GUEST,The Lamenting Whelk

I love the Transatlantic Sessions, but the bias against Welsh and English artists is more of a political anachronism than because of any genuine musical differences; all the traditions of our islands are interconnected whether the supporters of some outdated folk apartheid like it or not.

Here's an excellent article on the subject by Irish musician Toner Quinn:

Toner Quinn - What About England?


01 Oct 11 - 04:30 AM (#3232098)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: Will Fly

Thanks for the article by Toner Quinn - he sums the situation up beautifully.


01 Oct 11 - 07:03 AM (#3232126)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: GUEST

Just as the folk music of England has many regional variations within it, at the same time it has a great deal in common with the music of its neighbours. I can't believe that the English emigrants didn't take any songs with them. Perhaps the Cecil Sharp Project - touring England and Scotland in January - will shed some light on this. Folk music in Wales has had a profile perhaps even lower than folk music in England, so I was stunned to hear the Welsh group Calan earlier this year.


01 Oct 11 - 09:35 AM (#3232162)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: bubblyrat

I LOVE the TS programmes , and now play "Shove The Pig's Foot etc " ,and other tunes as a result, but I ,too , fear that the time when someone from Sussex appears , playing Scan Tester tunes on English concertina, or Rob Murch plays "Jacob or Enrico" on his banjo , is a long way off !!
      Still , that's the bias of the programme-makers against English music for you ( the bastards !!).


01 Oct 11 - 11:45 AM (#3232191)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: Edthefolkie

During the last series Danny Thompson made a humorous aside about feeling a bit lonely. I can see his point!

I guess as RTE put a lot of money into the programme, and since nobody has coughed up any cash for an equivalent involving a few more people from south of the Tweed, we're stuck with it. Not that it's not brilliant of course, just that it's not enough.


01 Oct 11 - 12:10 PM (#3232202)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: TopcatBanjo

Here's the direct link to Episode 1 on iPlayer as there seems to be some confusion in the posts above.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b015frjm/Transatlantic_Sessions_Series_5_Episode_1


01 Oct 11 - 12:48 PM (#3232225)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: Bonzo3legs

I downloaded the wmv file from the iplayer and so far it is converting to DVD compliant VOB format in SUPER - never used to be able to do this without a clever little programme, and for the last year or so not at all!!!


01 Oct 11 - 04:50 PM (#3232311)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: Bonzo3legs

No, it failed again.


01 Oct 11 - 06:26 PM (#3232346)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: Commander Crabbe

Blicky for the above link

Transatlantic Sessions Episode 1

CC


01 Oct 11 - 10:16 PM (#3232424)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: Stanron

I have enjoyed all of the Transatlantic Sessions programs I've seen on BBC 4. Any chance to see Aly Baine and Jerry Douglas playing on TV is welcome.

It has also been obvious from the outset that there is a strong anti English bias to the program. This has not stopped me enjoying what I actually got. Obviously Danny Thompson is English, but his role is in accompanying rather than playing a lead role.

Have I seen one of the Lakeman brothers on the prog? Maybe being Cornish absolves him of his Englishness.

Michael McGoldrick and Dessie Donnelley are from Irish descent but were they born in Manchester? I don't know. Could they actually be English?

We all know that the Irish and the Scottish hate the English. The political heritage of the last 2 millennia is unavoidable. None of us actually are responsible for any of it but we all seem to keep on dramatising it.

There are some fine traditional musicians in England. Perhaps we should make our own programs.


01 Oct 11 - 10:34 PM (#3232428)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: Effsee

Stanron..."We all know that the Irish and the Scottish hate the English. The political heritage of the last 2 millennia is unavoidable."...that's one helluva sweeping statement!

I'm a Scots born chappie, with both Irish and English genes so I take offence at such a statement!

I've sung all genres of British folk music in various clubs world-wide, and find that comment quite uncalled for.

The Transatlantic Sessions are exactly what they are...by definition.

The programme is produced by a combination of Scots/Irish companies...what do you expect?

..."There are some fine traditional musicians in England. Perhaps we should make our own programs."... Agreed! So why doesn't the format appeal to English TV producers?

Personally, I enjoy the ensemble playing very much, but I wouldn't expect to see it in any folk club soon, too many performers, but the show they take on the road for concerts are very well attended I believe.


01 Oct 11 - 10:53 PM (#3232433)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: Stanron

It might be a sweeping statement, but might it not also be correct?


01 Oct 11 - 11:14 PM (#3232442)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: Effsee

Absolutely not...the idea of a population of one nation hating the population of another is absurd. My aunt died of malnutrition in a Japanes prison camp...am I to hate the whole Japanes nation ?


01 Oct 11 - 11:23 PM (#3232446)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: Stanron

I hope not. But explain to me why lots of wonderful English folk musicians never appear on these programs.


02 Oct 11 - 02:31 AM (#3232474)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: michaelr

Anti-English bias? What nonsense. As was explained before, the series explores the connections between Scots/Irish and American music. `Nuff said.


02 Oct 11 - 03:19 AM (#3232477)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: Tradsinger

But the series perpetuates the myth that all American music is derived from Irish and Scottish music,which is certainly not the case. Americans like to see their folk/country/old timey music as all coming from Ireland and Scotland, and so American music gets this dubious 'Celtic' label. It is not surprising that the Transatlantic sessions musicians can blend their music; after all they are top musicians and ought to be able to. I would like to see some Trans North Sea sessions, where Shetland fiddle players got together with top Swedish/Norwegian musicians. After all, their music has a lot in common. It's all an anti-English musical conspiracy!

Rant over.

Tradsinger


02 Oct 11 - 07:11 AM (#3232531)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: evansakes

"It's all an anti-English musical conspiracy!"

Anglo and celtic music are essentially separate traditions. This is 'apples and oranges'. Both taste fine but they're not the same. This programme concentrates on the celtic music links and it's funded and made by them. Not much point trying to fit square pegs into round holes. There's no bias and no conspiracy. Let's all get over it and move on. Be grateful and acknowledge the series for all the good things it IS rather than things it isn't even trying to be.

Why not concentrate instead on lobbying to get something similar set up which properly investigate and celebrates English musical links with the Americas? I'd be interested to see a series like that as would most other followers of folk music...maybe the EFDSS should use some of their Arts Council funding to try to make it happen.


02 Oct 11 - 07:23 AM (#3232532)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: BanjoRay

If the included brass bands and morris music I'd probably stop watching.....(leaves hastily)


02 Oct 11 - 10:00 AM (#3232565)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: Ian Burdon

Stanron, rants work better if they don't contain duff information. Pedantic, maybe, but Sam Lakeman *has* been on Transatlantic Sessions - Season 3. You'll find it on YouTube - for example http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PZDD_Zt6MA


02 Oct 11 - 10:36 AM (#3232572)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: GUEST

Aren't the Lakeman brothers from Devon, not Cornwall?


02 Oct 11 - 10:50 AM (#3232578)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: BTNG

The Lakeman Brothers originate from the village of Buckland Monachorum, near Yelverton, Devon (this info courtesy of a little bit of Googling)


02 Oct 11 - 12:39 PM (#3232627)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: The Maverick

Would be better without the Americans IMHO!


02 Oct 11 - 12:52 PM (#3232634)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: Will Fly

Would be better without the Americans IMHO!

Mmmm... well, I've watched the first programme on the iPlayer and have to say that the highlight for me was the penultimate song, played by US banjoist and mandolinist Dirk Powell and Sam Bush - "Boats Up The River", with some fine Uillean piping to boot.


02 Oct 11 - 01:41 PM (#3232653)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: Tradsinger

TwickFolk wrote:

Anglo and celtic music are essentially separate traditions. This is 'apples and oranges'.

I can't accept that, I am afraid. There is no such thing as a Pan-Celtic music style that binds all 'Celtic' areas together. The nearest musical tradition to Irish and Scottish is, in fact, English, in terms of reportoire, style, stepping, etc, so there is a strong cultural link. Elements of all of these cultures crossed the Atlantic and formed the varied American folklore that we have today. But we are doing a disservice to folk music if we continue to perpetrate the American-Celtic myth.

I won't post any more on this subject as I am sure it will generate more heat than light.

Tradsinger


02 Oct 11 - 03:16 PM (#3232695)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: GUEST,Auldtimer

Was it just me or was the sound a bit off. What I was listening to just did not seem to be what was being played. Other wise it was all good, Big Edna included, although she went off on her own with her hands flaping.


02 Oct 11 - 03:26 PM (#3232699)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: GUEST

For those of you with Sky you can watch it, it doesn't matter where you live as all the regional BBC channels are available even though you'll probably be tuned to your local station.


02 Oct 11 - 04:22 PM (#3232721)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: mg

I have never thought of American Music as being basically Irish and Scottish..or pan-Celtic. I think it most undoubtedly has huge English roots, as that is the language that was settled on and as you enforce the speaking of English only in schools, only English songs would be sung, in addition to bad translations of Funiculi Funicula. With an occasional French song thrown in.

German songs were probably somewhat suppressed in WWI. Some town in the midwest had tunnels for German-Americans to get about in as they were so discriminated against in that time.

Certainly huge African and Carribean influence.

Some big pockets of Scandinavian music that still exist.

Spanish.

French.

Melungeon influence huge but unrecognized..read up on old-time and Melungeon music. Appalachain music in general. It does not sound Scottish or Scots-Irish (never quite sure what that is) to me. Sounds totally distinct with Arabic influences, and they claim history in Turkey and Portugal.

I actually don't think of this mountain music as The American Music. It is part of the overall picture. Lots of stuff was music hall and parlor music..some Irish, some Hebrew/Yiddish.
Cowboy..I presume Irish, African-American, Spanish all influenced.

Poles and Czechs...most of us did not speak their language..but we still like the polkas and other instrumental music.

But I would side with people who do believe that their is either ignorance about English music or some bias against it. Some of what we sing without thinking too much about is quite insulting to the English and they certainly are not individually responsible for all the woes of the world..they were serfs and conscriptees and coal miners and factory workers and did not have much to say about how their nation was conducting its business...mg


02 Oct 11 - 04:39 PM (#3232725)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: Bonzo3legs

I have never understood why people need to pigeonhole folk music. All I know is that a lot of so called Celtic folk music can be just as mind numbingly boring as a lot of English and USAian folk music. And yet I have never found any Argentine folklore music to at all boring!!!


02 Oct 11 - 04:55 PM (#3232729)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: ChrisJBrady

Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: Bonzo3legs - PM
Date: 01 Oct 11 - 12:48 PM

I downloaded the wmv file from the iplayer and so far it is converting to DVD compliant VOB format in SUPER - never used to be able to do this without a clever little programme, and for the last year or so not at all!!!

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But this failed .....

Unfortunately any official download from the iPlayer web pages also comes with DRM which time-life's the file for about 30 days. Then it gets deleted from your hard drive, or the file wont unscramble when played. Either way after 30-days the file is unwatchable and is simply wasting space.

Within the 30 days though you can watch the programme. The sound track can be recorded with Audacity using 'Stereo Mix' then saved in FLAC, WAV, or MP3 format.

The video and audio can be captured by a 'screen scrapeing' app. such as one from NCH or Applian. This basically records the data from the graphics card that is mirrored on the screen.

You'll need a fast and rock steady broadband connection for this.

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Or you can use Get_iPLayer which downloads the raw file from the iPLayer server in WMV format sans DRM.

From overseas you'll need to set up a VPN with ExpatShield first.

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Or you can try GetFLV or StreamTransport. I have better luck with GetFLV.

Again overseas users need ExpatShield first.

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Or the episode is already on TheBox.bz as a free leach.

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02 Oct 11 - 05:43 PM (#3232750)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: Tattie Bogle

Didn't Sam Lakeman get in by marriage? To Cara Dillon (Irish).
(Sorry, I'm following the rather cynical trend here, slightly tongue-in-cheek): no offence to Sam, who is a fine musician).


02 Oct 11 - 06:14 PM (#3232769)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: BTNG

and Sean Lakeman is married to Kathryn Roberts, I believe. I have no idea what their favourite colours or favourite foods are though


02 Oct 11 - 06:23 PM (#3232771)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: GUEST,mg

What do people in other countries think of as American music?

I would guess most people here would think of Stephen Foster, cowboy songs, music hall songs...not sure what else. That would be the most widespread. mg


02 Oct 11 - 07:24 PM (#3232794)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: BTNG

who do I think of when I think of American music? Iris Dement for one, Emmylou Harris for another, The Flatlanders, Wilco,


02 Oct 11 - 07:29 PM (#3232795)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: Stanron

What do people in other countries think of as American music?

Ragtime
The Great American Songbook(s)
Origins of jazz
Country
Blues
Bluegrass
The unfortunate tedium of most modern jazz
In the same way that psychology has a silent P, rap has ......


02 Oct 11 - 07:53 PM (#3232804)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: Jeri

Tradsinger wrote "Americans like to see their folk/country/old timey music as all coming from Ireland and Scotland,..." So you know ALL of us then? Funny, I know some who like to think their music has African roots, or French, or, dare I say, English. We have so many twigs from Child ballad branches growing here. We have murder ballads, sea shanties, hymns and other types of song, and many are linked with English music.

The more I read here, the more I think any anti-English bias (when it comes to music) is perpetuated mostly by English people. Either you simply don't think your music is good enough, or you think that's how other people see it. It baffles me. I love English music. I also believe that music lovers who judge a song by its nationality are idiots.


02 Oct 11 - 08:15 PM (#3232812)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: michaelr

Well said, Jeri.


02 Oct 11 - 08:46 PM (#3232819)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: ChrisJBrady

Well - not as good as the other programmes by a very long way. The aims and objectives of the series is now beyond me, and the agenda of demonstrating the similarities of American (whatever that is) with Scottish and Irish folk music and song was well diluted. AND what a bunch of male chauvinists - ALL the musos were male. The few females (3?) were relegated to singing one song each. Also I don't think any English trad. musos or singers would have a place in the proceedings. I simply couldn't see the likes of the Watersons or Carthys or Coppers or Bellowhead or any of the likes of Oyster or Albion etc., fitting in at all. The first programme demonstrated a dire ignoring (ignorance?) of anything remotely English. What on earth is the Beeb thinking of. Poor start to the new series.


02 Oct 11 - 09:18 PM (#3232831)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: GUEST,guest

CJB you're paranoid. How can the first programme demonstrate "a dire ignorance of anything remotely English" when the subject is not touched upon? You're reading stuff into it which is not there. Be thankful that there's a folk music programme on TV at all. Or should Scots complain about there being no Scots on the Percy Grainger prom?


02 Oct 11 - 09:57 PM (#3232845)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: BobKnight

Where were all the Scots on the "Folk Britannia" programmes last year? To say there is some sort of anti-English bias is nonesense - they probably didn't even think about it.


02 Oct 11 - 10:54 PM (#3232863)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: BTNG

Seems to me that the English feel that their tradition needs to be included in every facet of folk music (folkie colonialism?)


03 Oct 11 - 04:10 AM (#3232909)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: SteveMansfield

Well I thought it was fine, a great start to the new series and I'm looking forward to the next programme.

I can only apologise for such uncalled for positivity.

And yes it would be fantastic to see a similar setup involving more English musicians, but I'm afraid I've certainly not got the experience, expertise and contacts to get such a programme commissioned.


03 Oct 11 - 04:16 AM (#3232913)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: Will Fly

Seems to me that the English feel that their tradition needs to be included in every facet of folk music (folkie colonialism?)

Well now you're drawing from the particular to the general - which is not what I meant when I made my initial comment about the lack of English music/musicians in the Transatlantic Sessions.

Given the cross-cultural musical links between England and the US, and given the cross-cultural musical links between all parts of England, Scotland, Wales and Ireland - links which go back hundreds of years, I'm just mildly irritated that the Transatlantic Sessions weren't truly "transatlantic" when they were devised, and haven't evolved in their attitude since then. As I said clearly, I love the sessions (on the whole), but I think they've missed an opportunity here.

I certainly don't believe that "my tradition" needs to be included in every facet of folk music - why on earth should I? "My tradition", by the way, includes ancestors from Lancashire and East Anglia in England, Kildare in Ireland and Kinross and Edinburgh in Scotland. Remember - when you say "English" think of that, because it applies to a huge number of my fellow "Englishmen".


03 Oct 11 - 07:26 AM (#3232971)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: GUEST,The Lamenting Whelk

"Seems to me that the English feel that their tradition needs to be included in every facet of folk music (folkie colonialism?)"

Yawn - change the record - the folkie equivalent of Godwin's Law. Those days are gone, and very few English hold a candle for colonialism, just the tory toffs and their cohorts running the country. We just want to join in on an equal footing (actually, I don't as I love Irish trad bestest) because it looks great fun. I love the American musicians, and can watch Lunny and McGoldrick until the cows come home. Jerry Douglas is brilliant.


03 Oct 11 - 07:43 PM (#3233374)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: Commander Crabbe

It might be interesting to consider the following:

A great many numbers of Irish and Scottish people emigrated to America (Some would consider they were forced by English oppression). Quite a number of my own ancestors were displaced and made the journey across the pond from Scotland. And to my knowledge most of the songs of exile, transportation and emigration have their origins in such. That said I'm sure there are some of english origin which somebody will popint out to me before long.

There were undoubtedly some English who made the same journey. However, I have no idea what percentage in relation to Scots and Irish were forced to make the journey through oppression in England. (No doubt someone will know)

If by any chance that percentage is very small compared to the Scots and Irish. Then maybe that's why there isn't much English music incorporated in the programme.

Regards from someone who was born in Germany to an English mother and Scottish father who spent the first four years of his life in China followed by various short sojourns in Scotland and England with fourteen years in Wales three years in Shetland followed by another three years in Wales and who now lives in the Sovereign country of Yorkshire.

CC


03 Oct 11 - 08:23 PM (#3233393)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: Commander Crabbe

Point!!


04 Oct 11 - 03:04 AM (#3233476)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: melodeonboy

I really enjoyed it. Good all round, but I particularly liked the Dirk Powell/Sam Bush song, the lady with the wonderful voice singing in Gaelic (sorry, I can't remember her name!) and the Bela Fleck tune.


04 Oct 11 - 09:40 AM (#3233636)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: Johnny J

Now you all know how we felt after the Folk Britannia series....


30 Oct 11 - 07:13 PM (#3247274)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: Murray MacLeod

No matter which part of the world you live in, you can view, in their entirety, the first four programmes of the 5th series of Transatlantic Sessions by visiting the following links.

Programme 1
Programme 2
Programme 3
Programme 4


01 Nov 11 - 08:51 PM (#3248862)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: Tattie Bogle

The best singer of this series for me has to be Muireann Nic Amhlaoibh from Danu: beautiful voice and totally unaffected delivery of songs.


01 Nov 11 - 09:12 PM (#3248868)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: BobKnight

I said virtually the same thing on the thread about "The Leaving of Liverpool," TB. With her song on programme five, the "Leaving of Limerick," being very similiar.


02 Nov 11 - 06:06 AM (#3248988)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: Peter C

Thanks Murray MacLeod for the links - they will keep me going until the DVD is released!


02 Nov 11 - 09:14 PM (#3249451)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: Tattie Bogle

Hi BobKnight,
Hadn't seen the post to which you refer, and haven't yet watch episodes 4 or 5 - got them to look forward to as I've recorded them!


03 Nov 11 - 06:32 AM (#3249565)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: BobKnight

Well TB - you're in for a treat Muireann sings the song beautifully and Sharon Shannon has a lovely melodeon solo too - prefect.


03 Nov 11 - 06:34 AM (#3249567)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: BobKnight

Ooops - sorry about the typo, I meant "perfect."


03 Nov 11 - 07:51 PM (#3250022)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: melodeonboy

Don't be sorry. A female melodeon player dressed as a prefect might do things for me! :)


05 Nov 11 - 12:37 PM (#3250866)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: Murray MacLeod

Programme 5 now available to view


06 Nov 11 - 03:21 AM (#3251178)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: michaelr

Brilliant stuff, great musicianship. It doesn't get better than this.

I think the drummer, James Mackintosh, is a model of taste and restraint.


07 Nov 11 - 04:35 PM (#3252362)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: Tattie Bogle

He's a great bloke too: he was percussion tutor at the recent Blazin' in Beauly week.

I'll watch out for the prefect tonight then! (Of course Sharon Shannon is one of my role models!)


08 Nov 11 - 07:36 PM (#3253181)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: GUEST,Folky

I have just found this link to the whole series which is in MP4 format....pretty good quality.....great show

Link Here


08 Nov 11 - 08:00 PM (#3253205)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: BTNG

The first link goes to something called Stairway to Heaven (I suspect that this site belongs to GUEST,Folky)There are further links on the front page those links go to a torrent download site each file is 163.70 MB I went in with my firewall up, just in case, I personally wouldn't advise anyone to access these files,as you never know what special free gifts (the ones that keep giving and giving) might come down with the files. Ultimately, though, it's up to the individual.


08 Nov 11 - 09:13 PM (#3253229)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: michaelr

Yes, I felt the same way, and decided not to download from that site. I'll just wait for Murray's link to Episode 6 (thanks, Murray!)


08 Nov 11 - 10:25 PM (#3253245)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: BTNG

Programme 4:

A brilliant, rendition of Richard Thompson's Dimming of the Day sung by Alison Krauss


09 Nov 11 - 03:33 AM (#3253305)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: Backwoodsman

Alison and Union Station were superb at the Birmingham Symphony Hall last Friday. 'Dimming of The Day' was one of the highlights.
Might Jerry twist Ali's arm to come over for the Transatlantic Sessions Live tour? We can always hope.


09 Nov 11 - 05:11 AM (#3253339)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: BobKnight

I've thought all the way throough this series that the vocals were too submerged in the mix, until it came to programme number five, when they were very clear. "The Dimming Of The Day" suffered from this in my opinion, especially when Alison is on the lower notes.


09 Nov 11 - 05:49 AM (#3253360)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: Backwoodsman

All sounded fine on my TV through the Home Cinema system, Bob. Maybe it's something to do with the way the sound is 'engineered' - possibly to suit one type of setup, but which makes it less suitable for another (a bit like the way films and music sound great through my HCS, but speech programmes are better direct through the telly's own little speakers)?

All too tecknickle for me!   :-)


09 Nov 11 - 10:37 AM (#3253559)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: BTNG

I've had no problems with my sound, but such things, like backwoodsman r wey tu teknickel fore mee...


09 Nov 11 - 07:01 PM (#3253935)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: GUEST,Folky

Guys there is nothing wrong with the links, I can assure you I don't own the site or have anything to do with it. It's just I found these links when I was searching the internet for the series and have downloaded them myself and have checked them for viruses....all clear.Someone said they were Torrent Files, they are nothing of the sort, obviously you don't know what a Torrent file is!! The site appears to be a Music Download site which has mainly music (from folk to jazz on it but mostly rock music) If you don't want to download them then that is up to you but you truly are missing a great show. The only thing wrong with them is that they are mp4 versions but still are great quality from a quality Series. I hope, like you they get money to make another series. I have already bought the 4 series on DVD and have booked the fifth but this will do in the meantime till I get the fifth series on DVD.


09 Nov 11 - 07:07 PM (#3253938)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: GUEST,Folky

Here are the links again:-

Episode 1

Episode One Fileserve Link
Filesonic Link


09 Nov 11 - 07:07 PM (#3253939)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: BTNG

I've already watched them except for episode six and I've ordered the DVD I can wait.....


09 Nov 11 - 07:10 PM (#3253942)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: GUEST,Folky

Episode 2
Filesonic Link
Fileserve Link


09 Nov 11 - 07:12 PM (#3253943)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: GUEST,Folky

Episode 3
Fileserve Link
Filesonic Link


09 Nov 11 - 07:13 PM (#3253944)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: GUEST,Folky

Episode 4
Fileserve Link
Filesonic Link


09 Nov 11 - 07:14 PM (#3253946)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: GUEST,Folky

Episode 5
Fileserve Link
Filesonic Link


09 Nov 11 - 07:16 PM (#3253947)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: GUEST,Folky

Episode 6
Fileserve Link
Filesonic Link

ENJOY

PS Sorry I had to upload them on individual posts but this thread wouldn't let do it completely in one post.... I promise there are no hidden nasties in this Post....just great Music


09 Nov 11 - 07:21 PM (#3253952)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: BTNG

Murray MacLeod has already provided reliable links to all the episodes currently available, and you've already posted those links once.

I know what torrents are, I've downloaded a fair number of films oh and music videos too.


09 Nov 11 - 07:23 PM (#3253953)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: GUEST

BTNG.....sorry but I just posted them because maybe someone might like to download them and watch them that haven't seen them before. You must admit, the Series is SUPERB and well worth watching again and again. I just hope the BBC and RTE repeat the series but this time instead of hiding them away in some late night spot or some channel like BBC 4 they put them on BBC1....were they should rightly be


10 Nov 11 - 01:11 PM (#3254382)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: Barb'ry

Thanks for posting those. I must have missed Murray's previous posting and appreciate the chance to see them


10 Nov 11 - 07:30 PM (#3254652)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: GUEST,Charliebrown

Barb'ry.....thanks for your support. I would be very grateful if you would return and say what you think of the quality of these links....and that they don't have any virus's in them. This would help me greatly to prove to certain people (on here) that I posted these links with the best intentions......to share great music.

Thanks again Barb'ry


16 Nov 11 - 06:47 AM (#3257983)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: GUEST,Charliebrown056

Here is Season One of this Great Series:-

Transatlantic Sessions 1

Episode 1

Fileserve Link

Filesonic Link


16 Nov 11 - 06:50 AM (#3257985)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: GUEST,Folk

Transatlantic Sessions 1

Episode 2

Fileserve Link

Filesonic Link


16 Nov 11 - 06:52 AM (#3257986)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: GUEST,Folking

Transatlantic Sessions 1

Episode 3

Fileserve Link

Filesonic Link


16 Nov 11 - 06:55 AM (#3257987)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: GUEST,Folkey

Transatlantic Sessions 1

Episode 4

Fileserve Link

Filesonic Link


16 Nov 11 - 06:58 AM (#3257991)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: GUEST,Anybody but BTNG

Transatlantic Sessions 1

Episode 5

Fileserve Link

Filesonic Link


16 Nov 11 - 07:01 AM (#3257993)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: GUEST

Transatlantic Sessions 1

Episode 6

Fileserve Link

Filesonic Link


16 Nov 11 - 07:03 AM (#3257994)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: GUEST,Folkie

Transatlantic Sessions 1

Episode 7

Fileserve Link

Filesonic Link

------------------- Use a consistent GUESTname please. JoeClone----------------------------------


16 Nov 11 - 10:39 AM (#3258106)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: evansakes

What's all this?

Are these links to free downloads?

If so why the hell are you doing this, Folky?

To the best of my knowledge each series of the Transatlantic Sessions is ommercially available on DVD. By that method it's safe to assume the artists, producers etc would get suitably remunerated. I have some of the DVDs and hope to be getting the rest soon.


16 Nov 11 - 10:57 AM (#3258118)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: Barb'ry

I thanked the poster before but when I clicked the link there is a multi-coloured, ad-laden page with a very small link at the top. I didn't click the link, sorry.


16 Nov 11 - 12:24 PM (#3258179)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: evansakes

Me neither.....I wish he's peddle his pirate wares elsewhere rather than gatecrashing a thread I started to celebrate the new televised series.

If anyone wants to watch these things more often than they appear on TV or iPlayer they should do the decent thing and buy the DVDs.

Here's one worthwhile emporium that would be pleased to partake in an honest transaction whereby everyone can watch the programmes at their leisure

Musicscotland.com

The links represent the cost of sharing free files - they load slower and you have to look at advertising. That doesn't make them bit torrent files. --mudelf


16 Nov 11 - 12:30 PM (#3258183)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: BTNG

I have the DVD for this season on order, and if you can afford it, it's what I recommend others do.

slightly different name to the following website but they have The Sessions as well.

Music In Scotland

Thanks Twickfolk for your link


16 Nov 11 - 07:27 PM (#3258479)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: GUEST

OK guys, I've listened to what you have said and removed all the links and files.


16 Nov 11 - 10:40 PM (#3258544)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: Backwoodsman

For the record......my comments regarding sound quality referred to the original transmissions by BBC2 Scotland, which I recorded from Sky on my Sky+ box, nothing to do with any of the links above, 'torrent downloads' (whatever the fuck they are) or any kind of pirated shit.

I have not downloaded any pirated material, nor will I. I'll buy the DVD when it's available. I have already bought tickets for the 'Transatlantic Sessions Live' tour in early 2012.

Just wanted that understood.


16 Nov 11 - 11:23 PM (#3258550)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: BTNG

I understood what you meant Backwoodsman, and have areally great time at the concert!

GUEST you don't have that ability, to remove the links from this thread, only a Mod can do that, so we have nothing to thank for, eh WAV.


17 Nov 11 - 03:56 AM (#3258605)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: MartinRyan

Looks like he/she has disabled the OTHER end.

Regards


17 Nov 11 - 05:29 PM (#3258945)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: Stilly River Sage

There you have the snarling BTNG looking a gift horse in the mouth and not taking the time to understand the dynamic of the free download. Too bad, they might have been interesting.

SRS


17 Nov 11 - 06:57 PM (#3258996)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: BTNG

Oh I understand the so-called "dynamic" it's theft. Still if you're that cheap that you won't invest in the DVD. These are folk who earn their living from playing music; or do you think they should be doing it for free?

Oh and before YOU carry on like a rather silly old woman, try checking
Murray Macleod's postings for October 30th and November 5th


17 Nov 11 - 07:15 PM (#3259007)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: Stilly River Sage

The programs are in different formats but they're all for download. Six of one half-dozen of the other. You simply have a hair up your ass about some members and are intent on making their participation here difficult. You camp out and have a smart answer because you're happiest when the thread is really more about you than anything else. It's a control thing, isn't it?

DVDs from different parts of the world won't play everywhere unless they're in an open format, so depending on where you're from and how and where they discs are released, the download may be the only way to see them for a while.

You're mentioning theft and cheap but you in fact know nothing about how people choose to sample or listen and then buy the product when it finally becomes available. I don't download unless there is no other option, I think many of our members behave that way.

SRS


17 Nov 11 - 09:33 PM (#3259059)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: BTNG

All Transatlantic Sessions DVDs are Region 0 ( playable worldwide)

available at various online locations including Amazon and http://www.musicscotland.com

all the links provided by Murray MacLeod are in one single format, Windows Media Video (WMV)

PS.old man There a few whose opinion I value highly, you aren't one of them AND you have no idea who Folky was, I do.


17 Nov 11 - 10:58 PM (#3259081)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: Stilly River Sage

I do know who folky et al are, BTNG, and I know your guess is wrong.

And anyone who aspires to earn your good opinion is frankly, a fool.

SRS


17 Nov 11 - 11:15 PM (#3259088)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: BTNG

"And anyone who aspires to earn your good opinion is frankly, a fool."

if you say so.

Anyway this thread is about The Transatlantic Sessions

Series 5 Episodes One through Five are now available on You Tube, for you viewing (or whatever else you choose to do, if you have the right software) pleasure


17 Nov 11 - 11:47 PM (#3259098)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: michaelr

Who Folky was? Why, did you kill him?

BTNG's assertion that the DVDs are playable worldwide is a bit disingenuous. As can be seen at Music Scotland, they may be labeled "Region 0", but they can only be played by machines that support the European PAL format. Which in my case, being in the US, means that I can only play them on my computer.

As it is, I'll be ordering Season 5 along with Season 2 which has just come out after (presumably) years of legal wrangling.


18 Nov 11 - 12:25 PM (#3259419)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: Tattie Bogle

Yes I saw Series 2 DVD on sale in the music shop in Beauly (inverness-shire) when I was up there. On my Christmas list!
BobKnight - yes "Leaving Limerick" sung by Muireann was fabulous - was this song the inspiration for the (better known?) "Leaving of Liverpool"? I was gutted to find that tho' I'd recorded it on our DVD recorder, the disc ran out just as she started singing that song, but have been able to see it on iPlayer.


18 Nov 11 - 12:35 PM (#3259424)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: BTNG

Who Folky was? Why, did you kill him? Yes

and my apologies for my misreading of the music in scotland site


18 Nov 11 - 12:43 PM (#3259433)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: BTNG

Some DVD players only play discs identified as NTSC or PAL, while others can play both standards

NTSC format is mainly supported in USA, Canada, South America & the Caribbean.

So whatever works for you, go for it.


28 Nov 11 - 08:33 AM (#3264727)
Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: Skipjack K8

Ah, the power of Mudcat! All it took was giving Alba a jolly good talking to about not showcasing English Folk Music on the Transatlantic Sessions, and they put fellow accordionist and all round good fellow Donald Shaw on the job to choose six decent acts rooted in the English Folk Genre (and I don't know how wide that envelope is!)to showcase in the 2013 Celtic Connections. Derek Schofield kindly put it up here a week ago, but seemingly nobody bit.

Here's the direct link

And here's Derek's thread