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BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world

02 Oct 07 - 08:23 PM (#2162429)
Subject: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: katlaughing

Venezuelan Liberator Simon Bolivar said: "The continuation of the authority in the same individual frequently has been the end of democratic Governments."

That was used on a banner seen in Caracas in reference to Chavez' proposal to be re-elected indefinitely. His police tore it down. Seems to me it equally applies to the resident in the white house.


02 Oct 07 - 08:30 PM (#2162435)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: JohnInKansas

Voltaire(?) is reported to have said:

"To be a diplomat, it is not sufficient to be ignorant. One must also be polite."

politician=diplomat=(choose one for yourself)?

John


02 Oct 07 - 08:32 PM (#2162436)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Peace

"Sometimes I lie awake at night, and ask, 'Where have I gone wrong?' Then a voice says to me, 'This is going to take more than one night.'"

Charles Schulz


03 Oct 07 - 04:47 AM (#2162542)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: GUEST,micca at work

" Wether it is nude sunbathing or dealing with "political" or quasi-political(or Government), organisations Cover Your Ass"


03 Oct 07 - 06:01 AM (#2162587)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Emma B

"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is not to stop questioning."

Albert Einstein


03 Oct 07 - 08:45 AM (#2162671)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: GUEST,TV Junkies

The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.
Winston Churchill


03 Oct 07 - 09:22 AM (#2162684)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Rapparee

All legislation, all government, all society is founded upon the principle of mutual concession, politeness, comity, courtesy upon these everything is based...Let him who elevates himself above humanity, above its weaknesses, its infirmities, its wants, its necessities, say, if he pleases, I will never compromise but let no one who is not above the frailties of our common nature disdain compromises.
                                                 -- Henry Clay


03 Oct 07 - 09:54 AM (#2162700)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Midchuck

I will give a link, rather than a quote - since every line found there fits this thread, why try to pick one?

Peter


03 Oct 07 - 10:08 AM (#2162711)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: dwditty

We have met the enemy,and he is us.


03 Oct 07 - 01:24 PM (#2162843)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Donuel

The Bush family always roots for Goliath to slay David.

Elections may dissapoint and the counters cheat, but just remember that the crowd chose Barrabas.


03 Oct 07 - 01:34 PM (#2162848)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Donuel

You can count many things that don't matter
and heap praise designed only to flatter
but the things that matter
and really do count
are unbound by everyday matter.

by Yours Truely


03 Oct 07 - 01:45 PM (#2162865)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Blindlemonsteve

Never judge the broadness of a mans shoulders by the price tag of the shirt that hangs on them.
Blindlemonsteve 2007


03 Oct 07 - 01:56 PM (#2162881)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Liz the Squeak

Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots.

So far, the Universe is winning.

LTS


03 Oct 07 - 02:21 PM (#2162911)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Ebbie

"You can go wrong by being too skeptical as readily as by being too trusting.

"One man's theology is another man's belly laugh.

"Men rarely (if ever) manage to dream up a god superior to themselves. Most gods have the manners and morals of a spoiled child.

"There is no conclusive evidence of life after death. But there is no evidence of any sort against it. Soon enough you will know. So why fret about it?"

Midchuck, that's a great link. Thanks. Heinlein was a great phrasemaker.


03 Oct 07 - 02:24 PM (#2162912)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Donuel

With the exception of self destruction...

Whats wrong with having the USA do something that would make the whole world stand up and cheer?
Its been 68 years since the whole world cheered the US and 30 odd years since we were cheered on the moon.

In the end the only thing the rich will have to plunder is themselves.







edit

You can count many things that don't matter
and heap praise designed only to flatter
but the things that matter
and really do count
are ideas above everyday matter
that matter every day


03 Oct 07 - 04:39 PM (#2163029)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T

Politics:- It's all a case of mind over matter. They don't mind and we don't matter!

Don T.


03 Oct 07 - 05:31 PM (#2163083)
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From: Grainne

Those who forget the past are condemned to repeat it.


03 Oct 07 - 05:35 PM (#2163089)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Peace

"History repeats itself because historians repeat each other."

(Can't recall who said that.)


03 Oct 07 - 05:50 PM (#2163105)
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From: Amos

"War is all Hell."

William Tecumseh Sherman


03 Oct 07 - 06:39 PM (#2163173)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: katlaughing

Trouble no one about his religion.
Respect others in their views and demand that they respect yours.
Love your life, perfect your life, beautify all things in your life.
Seek to make your life long and of service to your people.
- Tecumseh -


03 Oct 07 - 07:37 PM (#2163210)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Rapparee

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves. - William Pitt, 1783

I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do. - Professor Bernardo de la Paz

"People whose lives are barren and insecure seem to show a greater willingness to obey than people who are self-sufficient and self-confident. To the frustrated, freedom from responsibility is more attractive than freedom from restraint. They are eager to barter their independence for relief of the burdens of willing, deciding and being responsible for inevitable failure. They willingly abdicate the directing of their lives to those who want to plan, command and shoulder all responsibility." ~Eric Hoffer "The True Believer"

Never attribute to malice, that which can be reasonably explained by stupidity.
                                  -Spider Robinson


03 Oct 07 - 08:43 PM (#2163243)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Alba

" The shitith hath hitith the fanith "
unknown :)


03 Oct 07 - 11:27 PM (#2163316)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: katlaughing

LOL, Alba!

Ah, good old Eric Hoffer and Spider Robinson! Great stuff!


04 Oct 07 - 12:21 AM (#2163338)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: katlaughing

I REALLY like the following:

To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.
Theodore Roosevelt

We must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.
Dwight D. Eisenhower

People who don't vote have no line of credit with people who are elected and thus pose no threat to those who act against our interests.
Marian Wright Edelman


04 Oct 07 - 11:00 AM (#2163652)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Rapparee

We are the people our parents warned us against. -- From the '60s.


04 Oct 07 - 11:57 AM (#2163701)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Donuel

Childrens are learning.


04 Oct 07 - 12:34 PM (#2163730)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: GUEST,Neil D

Even a cat may look at a king.
                   John Heywood
   
   Rule #1: Don't sweat the small stuff.
   Rule #2: It's all small stuff.
       Graham Green's character in "Thunderheart" said this but I don't know who said it first.

   If I am not for myself who will be. If I am only for myself, of what good am I to God or Mankind.
             Rabbi Hilel (Many self serving people only quote the first part of this saying)

    Does anyone know who said the following:
    I turned to God with the world's despair
    and to make bad matters worse found that God wasn't there.


04 Oct 07 - 12:45 PM (#2163737)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Alba

Robert Frost, Neil:)

"I turned to speak to God
About the world's despair
But to make bad matters worse
I found God wasn't there."


Best Wishes,
Jude


04 Oct 07 - 04:21 PM (#2163902)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Wesley S

"Want what you have" - the protaganist in Jimmy Buffetts book "Where is Joe Merchant"

"640K ought to be enough for anybody" - attributed to Bill Gates 1981

"Never squat with your spurs on" - Texas cowboy era unknown


04 Oct 07 - 04:51 PM (#2163923)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: katlaughing

That last one is treasured as a old WYOMING cowboy saying, Wesley! LOL...got yer bumper stickers in today.


04 Oct 07 - 04:55 PM (#2163926)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Peace

Politics, n. Strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles.

Ambrose Bierce


04 Oct 07 - 05:15 PM (#2163935)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Bill D

"Strive for simplicity, but learn to mistrust it."
      Alfred North Whitehead

"Don't look back, somethin' may be gainin' on you."
         Satchel Paige


04 Oct 07 - 05:46 PM (#2163953)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Wesley S

Kat - Where in hell do you think those Wyoming cowboys came from? Those trails they were on started in TEXAS and went north.


04 Oct 07 - 05:48 PM (#2163958)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Peace

Actually, the trails started in Alberta and moved south. But please don't let me interrupt . . . .


04 Oct 07 - 06:46 PM (#2164014)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Richard Bridge

Once upon a time Heinlein was an interesting SF writer. Later he became a fascist wanker and idiot.


04 Oct 07 - 06:47 PM (#2164016)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Richard Bridge

Make that self important idiot.


04 Oct 07 - 06:52 PM (#2164020)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Rapparee

Richard, I recommend you read Spider Robinson's essay "Rah, Rah, RAH" -- and Heinlein.


04 Oct 07 - 06:57 PM (#2164021)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Midchuck

Once upon a time Heinlein was an interesting SF writer. Later he became a fascist wanker and idiot.

Fascist? The man who created one of the major influences in starting the whole hippy thing?

You have it ass-backwards. He was educated in a way that put him in danger of being somewhat fascistic, or at least authoritarian (Naval Academy), but he outgrew it.

Peter


04 Oct 07 - 07:11 PM (#2164028)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Rapparee

Yes, he was so Fascist that his peers honored him with the first every Grand Master Hugo award. So Fascist that he worked in the Philadephia Naval Yard on electronics that helped defeat Hitler and Mussolini.

Cite one passage from his works that demonstrate Fascism.

Conservative, yes, in the Goldwater mold. But not Fascist.


04 Oct 07 - 07:17 PM (#2164033)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Rapparee

From Robinson's "Rah, rah, RAH!":

(Note: all these are most-brainless, as not one of the critics is in any position to know anything about Heinlein the man. The man they attack is the one they infer from his fiction: a mug's game.)

(1) "Heinlein is a fascist." This is the most popular Heinlein shibboleth in fandom, particularly among the young and, of course, exclusively among the ignorant. I seldom bother to reply, but in this instance I am being paid. Dear sir or madam: kindly go to the library, look up the dictionary definition of fascism. For good measure, read the history of fascism, asking the librarian to help you with any big words. Then read the works of Robert Heinlein, as you have plainly not done yet. If out of forty-two books you can produce one shred of evidence that Heinlein—or any of his protagonists—is a fascist, I'll eat my copy of Heinlein in Dimension.


If you don't own a copy of it, you can find the entire essay here.


04 Oct 07 - 07:20 PM (#2164036)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Amos

Au contraire, he was purely a believer in ability, the rights of man, and the vigorous defense against bureaucratic encroachment, the stock-in-trade of Fascism. He didn't believe in free lunches (he coined TANSTAAFL), but he sure as hell was no Fascist.


A


04 Oct 07 - 10:33 PM (#2164121)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Midchuck

He didn't coin the phrase. He certainly was responsible for its wide popularization.

Peter


05 Oct 07 - 10:25 AM (#2164434)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Bill D

"There are many men of principle in both parties in America, but there is no party of principle." ~Alexis de Tocqueville

"Under democracy one party always devotes its chief energies to trying to prove that the other party is unfit to rule - and both commonly succeed, and are right." ~H.L. Mencken, 1956


05 Oct 07 - 10:38 AM (#2164441)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Bill D

"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." ~John Kenneth Galbraith

"Conservative, n: A statesman who is enamored of existing evils, as distinguished from the Liberal who wishes to replace them with others." ~Ambrose Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary

"Politics is the gentle art of getting votes from the poor and campaign funds from the rich, by promising to protect each from the other." ~Oscar Ameringer

"He didn't say that. He was reading what was given to him in a speech." ~Richard Darman, director of the Office of Management and Budget, (explaining why President Bush wasn't following up on his campaign pledge that there would be no loss of wetlands)


"Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives." ~John Stuart Mill


05 Oct 07 - 10:41 AM (#2164445)
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From: Bill D

"Conservatives define themselves in terms of what they oppose." ~George Will


05 Oct 07 - 11:33 AM (#2164499)
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From: Stilly River Sage

"What stuns me most about contemporary politics is not even that the system has been so badly corrupted by money. It is that so few people get the connection between their lives and what the bozos do in Washington and our state capitols." - Molly Ivins


05 Oct 07 - 12:36 PM (#2164530)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Rapparee

Allow the president to invade a neighboring nation, whenever he shall deem it necessary to repel an invasion, and you allow him to do so whenever he may choose to say he deems it necessary for such a purpose - and you allow him to make war at pleasure.    -- A. Lincoln

Am I not destroying my enemies when I make friends of them? -- A. Lincoln

Look at the tyranny of party--at what is called party allegiance, party loyalty--a snare invented by designing men for selfish purposes--and which turns voters into chattles, slaves, rabbits, and all the while their masters, and they themselves are shouting rubbish about liberty, independence, freedom of opinion, freedom of speech, honestly unconscious of the fantastic contradiction; and forgetting or ignoring that their fathers and the churches shouted the same blasphemies a generation earlier when they were closing their doors against the hunted slave, beating his handful of humane defenders with Bible texts and billies, and pocketing the insults and licking the shoes of his Southern master. -- Sam Clemens

In religion and politics people's beliefs and convictions are in almost every case gotten at second-hand, and without examination, from authorities who have not themselves examined the questions at issue but have taken them at second-hand from other non-examiners, whose opinions about them were not worth a brass farthing. -- Mark Twain


05 Oct 07 - 12:51 PM (#2164540)
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From: Emma B

"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"

Voltaire


05 Oct 07 - 02:05 PM (#2164586)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Bill D

"The hardest thing about any political campaign is how to win without proving that you are unworthy of winning." ~Adlai E. Stevenson


06 Oct 07 - 12:29 AM (#2164887)
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From: Kent Davis

A subordinate position does not imply an inferior nature.

Kent

P.S. As far as I know, I originated the phrase above. However, if you know of another source, please let me know. I could have internalized it and then have forgotten its origin.


06 Oct 07 - 01:40 PM (#2165261)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Stilly River Sage

One that I wrote in an undergraduate paper years ago but that I realize as I studied more is echoed in philosophy over the eons is that "Man created God in his own image." I haven't made note of the more famous variants of it, but I recognize that there are a lot of famous thinkers who said it earlier.

SRS


06 Oct 07 - 01:55 PM (#2165264)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: GUEST,ed

Breathes there the man with soul so dead
Who never to himself hath said
When he stubbed his toe getting into bed
x ! x ! xxxxxxxxx ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !! 3 ? ?


06 Oct 07 - 05:48 PM (#2165428)
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From: Bill D

Breathes there the man with soul so dead
Who never to himself hath said,
"I need this job like a hole in the head!"


07 Oct 07 - 09:59 AM (#2165790)
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From: GUEST,ed

So much Tofurkey, so little time!


07 Oct 07 - 11:12 AM (#2165823)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Uncle_DaveO

SRS, I knew that when I was at the University of Minnesota, say 55 years ago. No idea where it came from.


07 Oct 07 - 11:20 AM (#2165826)
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From: Stilly River Sage

Even more than a quote, it's a realization and a turning point.


07 Oct 07 - 12:22 PM (#2165870)
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From: Amos

A very important one; it identifies the crashing illogicality of reversing the projection as a mechanism of manipulation. It identifies the powerful distorting effect of naming the wrong source for something. And it identifies the inherent creative freedom of the individual willing to cast of cloaks of social determination.


A


07 Oct 07 - 01:54 PM (#2165940)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Bill D

Translation from AmosSpeak.

"It shows how silly it is to suppose that YOUR ideas are really from out 'there' somewhere. And it makes thinking for yourself a positive thing."


sorta...


07 Oct 07 - 02:25 PM (#2165958)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: heric

"Well that's us fucked."

(Liz the Squeek?)


07 Oct 07 - 07:25 PM (#2166142)
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From: GUEST,Scorpio

Out of the clouds
a voice said,
"Cheer up, and be happy!
Things could be worse!"
So I cheered up,
and was happy,
and behold:
things became worse.


08 Oct 07 - 07:04 AM (#2166379)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: 3refs

Tecumseh's entire quote

"So live your life that the fear of death can never enter your
heart.
Trouble no one about their religion; respect others in their
view, and demand that they respect yours.
Love your life, perfect your life, beautify all things in your life. Seek to make your life long and its purpose in the service of your people.
Prepare a noble death song for the day when you go over the great divide.
Alwaysgive a word or a sign of salute when meeting or passing a friend, even a stranger, when in a lonely place.
Show respect to all people and grovel to none.
When you arise in the morning give thanks for the food and for the joy of living.
If you see no reason for giving thanks, the fault lies only in
yourself.
Abuse no one and nothing, for abuse turns the wise ones to fools and robs the spirit of its vision.
When it comes your time to die, be not like those whose hearts are filled with the fear of death, so that when their time comes they weep and pray for a little more time to live their lives over again in a different way.
Sing your death song and die like a hero going home."


08 Oct 07 - 12:02 PM (#2166550)
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From: Don(Wyziwyg)T

To hell with Tecumseh, I wanna live forever......ME!

Don T.


25 Oct 07 - 01:09 PM (#2179027)
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From: Amos

"Justice in the hands of the powerful is merely a governing system like any other. Why call it justice? Let us rather call it injustice, but of a sly effective order, based entirely on cruel knowledge of the resistance of the weak, their capacity for pain, humiliation and misery." -- Georges Bernanos - 1888-1948) Source: in Diary of a Country Priest

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"What no one seemed to notice. . . was the ever widening gap. . .between the government and the people. . . And it became always wider. . . the whole process of its coming into being, was above all diverting, it provided an excuse not to think for people who did not want to think anyway . . . (it) gave us some dreadful, fundamental things to think about . . .and kept us so busy with continuous changes and 'crises' and so fascinated . . . by the machinations of the 'national enemies,' without and within, that we had no time to think about these dreadful things that were growing, little by little, all around us. . .

From Milton Mayer, They Thought They Were Free, The Germans, 1938-45 (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1955)
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article11845.htm

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"Against the insidious wiles of foreign influence, (I conjure you to believe me fellow citizens) the jealousy of a free people ought to be constantly awake; since history and experience prove that foreign influence is one of the most baneful foes of Republican Government." -- George Washington (1732-1799) Founding Father, 1st US President, 'Father of the Country' Source: Farewell Address, September 17, 1796, Ref: George Washington: A Collection, W.B. Allen, ed. (521)


26 Oct 07 - 10:21 AM (#2179685)
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From: Teribus

"There is no such thing as a little war for a great country" Wellington


26 Oct 07 - 10:24 AM (#2179691)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Midchuck

Anybody remember the actual wording of the Woody Allen line about having a "need to return to the womb - any womb"?


Peter


28 Oct 07 - 06:50 PM (#2181271)
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From: Amos

"The Age of Nations is past. The task before us now, if we would not perish, is to build the Earth."

Teilhard de Chardin

(Thanks, Carol C.)


29 Oct 07 - 09:25 AM (#2181767)
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From: GUEST,Tierod Willie

Great thread.

"You may have heard the msic of Man, but you have not heard the music of Earth. You may have heard the music of Earth, but you have not heard the music of Heaven."

Chuang Tzu, 2nd Cent. B.C.

"You may have heard the music of heaven, but you have not heard the music of hell."

William T. Shefchik, Las Vegas, Nevadsa, 1996 A.D.


29 Oct 07 - 09:36 AM (#2181781)
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From: Rapparee

I belong to no organized party. I am a Democrat.

On account of being a democracy and run by the people, we are the only nation in the world that has to keep a government four years, no matter what it does.

Take the diplomacy out of war and the thing would fall flat in a week.

This country has come to feel the same when Congress is in session as when the baby gets hold of a hammer.

The more you read and observe about this Politics thing, you got to admit that each party is worse than the other. The one that's out always looks the best.

                      -- all from Will Rogers


29 Oct 07 - 10:46 AM (#2181850)
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From: Little Hawk

LOL! Bravo, Will Rogers!


29 Oct 07 - 04:51 PM (#2182151)
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From: Bert

Everything I need to know I learned on Mudcat.


29 Oct 07 - 09:07 PM (#2182341)
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From: Mickey191

"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead


29 Oct 07 - 10:21 PM (#2182371)
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From: mrdux

"We do not believe any group of men adequate enough or wise enough to operate without scrutiny or without criticism. We know that the only way to avoid error is to detect it, that the only way to detect it is to be free to inquire. We know that in secrecy, error undetected will flourish and subvert."

                        – J. Robert Oppenheimer


       "Beware of all enterprises that require new clothes."

                        – Henry David Thoreau, Walden (1854), I. Economy.


    Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis, ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam.
        (I have a catapult. Give me all your money, or I will fling an enormous rock at your head.)

                        – Anon


to SRS and Uncle Dave --

The earliest version I've found:

"If God has made us in his image, we have returned him the favor."
("Si Dieu nous a fait à son image, nous le lui avons bien rendu.")

                       – Voltaire, Notebooks (c.1735-c.1750)


29 Oct 07 - 11:03 PM (#2182398)
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From: GUEST,.gargoyle

Began the novel today: Sinclair Lewis Babbitt Chapter One "George F. Babbitt Starts the Day" page 2.

His name was George F. Babbitt. He was forty-six years old now, in April, 1920 and he made nothing in particular, neigher butter nor shoe nor poety, but he was minble in the calling of selling houses for more than people could afford to pay.

Hmmmmm - overpriced loan collapse?

Sincerely,
Gargoyle


02 Sep 11 - 03:06 PM (#3217215)
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From: katlaughing

So many gods,
So many creeds,
So many paths
That wind and wind,
While just the act of
Being kind is all the
Sad world needs.


- Ella Wheeler Wilcox -


02 Sep 11 - 04:07 PM (#3217232)
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From: Ed T

Not really a quote, a definition
Bustard- A very rude bus driver.


02 Sep 11 - 05:34 PM (#3217270)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Dorothy Parshall

In the end, we conserve only what we love. We will love only what we understand. We will understand only what we are taught." - Baba Dioum, Senegalese poet

"Small acts, when multiplied by millions of people, can quietly become a power no government can suppress, a power than can transform the world." -The late people's historian Howard Zinn (August 24, 1922 – January 27, 2010)


"Excellence is the result of caring more than others think
is wise; risking more than others think is safe; dreaming
more than others think is practical; and expecting more
than others think is possible." ~ Anonymous


The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing." --Albert Einstein

"If one life has breathed easier because you have lived this is the meaning of success" Emerson


02 Sep 11 - 07:29 PM (#3217344)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Midchuck

This may be longer than was looked for on this thread. But I read it back in the '70s, and it shook me so badly, that someone else was into my head so thoroughly, that when I got a computer, many years later, I typed the whole thing in.

P.

*********************************************************

I am apart. Always I have seen around me all the games and parades of life
and have always envied the players and the marchers. I watch the cards
they play and feel in my belly the hollowness as the big drums go by, and
I smile and shrug and say, Who needs games? Who wants parades. The
world seems to be masses of smiling people who hug each other and sway
back and forth in front of a fire and sing old songs and laugh into each
others' faces, all truth and trust. And I kneel at the edge of the woods, too
far to feel the heat of the fire. Everything seems to come to me in some kind
of secondhand way which I cannot describe. Am I not meat and tears, bone
and fears, just as they? Yet when most deeply touched, I seem, too often,
to respond with smirk or sneer, another page in my immense catalog of
remorses. I seem forever on the edge of expressing the inexpressible,
touching what has never been touched, but I cannot reach through the veil
of apartness. I am living without being truly alive. I can love without
loving. When I am in the midst of friends, when there is laughter,
closeness, empathy, warmth, sometimes I can look at myself from a little way
off and think that they do not really know who is with them there, what
strangeness is there beside them, trying to be something else.

Once, just deep enough into the cup to be articulate about subjective
things, I tried to tell Meyer all this. I shall never forget the strange
expression on his face. "But we are all like that!" he said. "That's the way
it is. For everyone in the world. Didn't you know?"

I tried to believe him. But belief is a very difficult feat when you crouch
out here in the night, too far from the fire to feel its heat, too far from the
people to hear the words of their songs.

    MacDonald, John D., The Scarlet Ruse. Fawcett, 1973, p. 264


03 Sep 11 - 12:18 AM (#3217413)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: katlaughing

That gives me chills, Midchuck. Thanks for posting it. I hope it is not reflective for you so much now.


03 Sep 11 - 02:13 AM (#3217438)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: frogprince

Midchuck, have you read the last Travis McGee book? I suspect that McDonald knew he wouldn't live to write another one. McGee meets, and reconciles with, a daughter that he hadn't known he had; it brings him in from the cold.


03 Sep 11 - 04:27 AM (#3217465)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: autolycus

"They say the internet is amazing. That you can call up any book. Go to the page you want; to the very paragraph!.

"Bit like a library really."

[Ben Elton, quoted by Bill Nighy in the programme Grumpy Old Men.]


03 Sep 11 - 08:29 AM (#3217533)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Midchuck

Midchuck, have you read the last Travis McGee book? I suspect that McDonald knew he wouldn't live to write another one. McGee meets, and reconciles with, a daughter that he hadn't known he had; it brings him in from the cold.

Oh, yeah. When I read fiction, it's usually science fiction or fantasy. But I read everything McDonald published from the '70s up to his death. As I did with Richard Parker up to his.

Peter


03 Sep 11 - 10:12 AM (#3217567)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: saulgoldie

Interesting discussion about quotes here:


http://www.npr.org/player/v2/mediaPlayer.html?action=1&t=1&islist=false&id=140163723&m=140163694


Saul


03 Sep 11 - 03:28 PM (#3217682)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: kendall

Never squat while wearing spurs, and never slap a man whose chewing tobacco has been attributed to Will Rogers.


So many Christians, so few Lions.
Never own anything that you have to feed or paint
A man should try everything once, except incest and Morris dancing.
All three Utah Phillips.


03 Sep 11 - 03:58 PM (#3217690)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: meself

"never slap a man whose chewing tobacco has been attributed to Will Rogers"

Now there's a piece of advice I'm going to put into action today!


03 Sep 11 - 04:13 PM (#3217699)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Uncle_DaveO

Kendall, where did Will Rogers get the tobacco in the first place?

Dave Oesterreich


03 Sep 11 - 04:54 PM (#3217721)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Midchuck

The apostrophe is the difference between a business that knows its s*** and a business that knows it's s***.

P.


03 Sep 11 - 05:35 PM (#3217738)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: McGrath of Harlow

A man should try everything once, except incest and Morris dancing.

Generally attributed to the conductor Sir Thomas Beecham.

Of course he got it wrong about the Morris Dancing. More insightful when he said: "There are two golden rules for an orchestra: start together and finish together. The public doesn't give a damn what goes on in between."   Applies to just about any musical ensemble. Possibly not so much to Morris Bands, because the dancers are liable to get distracted, and that shows. (Maybe that's why Sir Thomas didn't approve of them...)


03 Sep 11 - 07:29 PM (#3217777)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: kendall

Dave, I don't understand your question?


03 Sep 11 - 07:41 PM (#3217780)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Midchuck

Kendall, you wrote:

"never slap a man whose chewing tobacco has been attributed to Will Rogers"

When you meant to write:

"Never slap a man who's chewing tobacco" has been attributed to Will Rogers.

See my quote about the significance of the apostrophe, below. I was reminded of it by your post.

P.


03 Sep 11 - 08:02 PM (#3217792)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Joe_F

Peace: Likewise, I have forgotten who said "The people who make history are even dumber than the people who write it".


04 Sep 11 - 09:23 AM (#3217987)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: autolycus

"A man should try everything once, except incest and Morris dancing."


"Generally attributed to the conductor Sir Thomas Beecham."


Actually originates in the war-time autobiography of Sir Arnold Bax.


Anything attributed to beecham should be treated circumspectly. Ditto Twain and Wilde.



"Ecology. Look it up. You're involved." [Ben Metcalfe. ecologist].

Just to save the bother,

"Ecology.It's a branch of science concerned with the relationships between organisms and their environment."


04 Sep 11 - 03:00 PM (#3218142)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Micca

They told us you'll conquer when you submit.
We've submitted and found ashes.
They told us you'll conquer when you love.
We loved and found ashes.
They told us you'll conquer when you abandon your life.
We abandoned our life and found ashes.

We found ashes.
It remains to rediscover our life, now that we've nothing left. I imagine that he who'll rediscover life, in spite of so much paper, so many emotions, so many debates, and so much teaching, will be someone like us, only with a slightly tougher memory. We ourselves can't help still remembering what we've given. He'll remember only what he's gained from each of his offerings. What can a flame remember? If it remembers a little less than is necessary, it goes out; if it remembers a little more than is necessary, it goes out. If only it could teach us, while it burns, to remember correctly. I've come to an end: if only someone else could begin at the point where I've ended. There are times when I have the impression that I've reached the limit, that everything's in its place, ready to sing together in harmony. The machine on the point of starting. I can even imagine it in motion, alive, like something unexpectedly new. But there's still something: an infinitesimal obstacle, a grain of sand, shrinking and shrinking yet unable to disappear completely. I don't know what I ought to say or what I ought to do. Sometimes that obstacle seems to me like a teardrop wedged into some articulation of the orchestra, keeping it silent until it's been dissolved. And I have an unbearable feeling that all the rest of my life won't be sufficient to dissolve this drop within my soul. And I'm haunted by the thought that, if they were to burn me alive, this obstinate moment would be the last to surrender.
Stratis Thalassinos describes a Man, George Seferis


05 Sep 11 - 01:08 PM (#3218557)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Crowhugger

I don't know who said this, maybe a someone out there can provide that information, but I often enjoy this quotation, picked up (unattributed) from an e-mail:

"Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground."


05 Sep 11 - 01:25 PM (#3218566)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: autolycus

No joy so far.


Patience and time do more than force and rage, [La Fontaine 1621-1695]


05 Sep 11 - 02:07 PM (#3218585)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Uncle_DaveO

Kendall, the word "whose" indicates possession or ownership.

Thus that statement can meaningfully be reworded as:

Never squat while wearing spurs, and never slap a man who owns chewing tobacco which has been attributed to Will Rogers.

If "the man" got the tobacco (directly or indirectly) from Will Rogers, where did Will Rogers get it? As phrased, the statement says nothing about what "the man" is doing with the tobacco.

Dave Oesterreich


05 Sep 11 - 02:34 PM (#3218599)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: GUEST,999

Crowhugger,

That quote is attributed to David Icke on the www. However, I'd take that with a bit of salt because I know I heard or saw something very similar and it wasn't from David Icke--likely one of those vacuous platitude posters people hang on walls, often classroom walls. Anyway, there ya go.


05 Sep 11 - 07:38 PM (#3218739)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: kendall

Upon re reading my post I had to laugh. A couple of quotation marks would have been helpful too.


05 Sep 11 - 09:18 PM (#3218779)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: ollaimh

my favourite which i have posted here often:

"the struggle to remember IS the struggle against tyrany"

milan kundera


number two fav oftyen quoted here.

"the english practiced genocide in ireland untill they were ready to take the show on the road, arrivng on the coast of california all dressed up for empire and no one left to kill"

gore vidal(ecplianing the many american wars)

and a wierd one i ran into yesterday

"is millis fuil namhaid,ach is milse fuil caraid"


06 Sep 11 - 04:59 AM (#3218881)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: autolycus

A fine one from my therapy teacher, especially useful these days.

"Perfectionism is unhealthy."


06 Sep 11 - 06:15 AM (#3218907)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: GUEST,Bluesman

"The trouble with youth is,it is wasted on the young."


06 Sep 11 - 09:55 AM (#3218977)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Uncle_DaveO

Bluesman, the fuller version of that quote is:

What a glorious thing youth is. And what a pity that it's wasted on the young.

And the usual attribution is George Bernard Shaw

Dave Oesterreich


06 Sep 11 - 11:35 AM (#3219012)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Jeri

"He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself." - Thomas Paine in First Principles of Government (1795)


06 Sep 11 - 11:44 AM (#3219016)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Amos

If money is your hope for independence you will never have it. The only real security that a man will have in this world is a reserve of knowledge, experience, and ability.

Henry Ford


06 Sep 11 - 01:03 PM (#3219051)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: GUEST,999

The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right.

Mark Twain


06 Sep 11 - 01:03 PM (#3219052)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: EBarnacle

Once, I invented a quote: "The river runs all the way to the sea" and attributed it to Lohr, honoring Data's brother on Star Trek. I was embarassed to find out that there really is someone by that name.

"Everyone is an expert but no one is an expert on everything." This quote by Will Rogers should be kept in mind during our BS threads.


06 Sep 11 - 04:26 PM (#3219167)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Helen

"It is better to remain silent, and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt" Abraham Lincoln.

"If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem" Charles Rosner, often attributed to Eldridge Cleaver.

Two of my favourites which are always relevant, in my opinion.

Helen


06 Sep 11 - 06:07 PM (#3219213)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: GUEST,josepp

Tell a lie enough times and people will come to believe it.
---Joseph Goebbels


06 Sep 11 - 06:56 PM (#3219237)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: autolycus

The Golden Rule.

Whoever has the gold makes the rules.


{Source required]


06 Sep 11 - 08:01 PM (#3219271)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T

"War does not determine who is right, it determines who is LEFT.".......Attributed to Confucius (Though I think it's probably much more recent).

It's a small world, unless you have to paint it....Les Barker.


06 Sep 11 - 09:21 PM (#3219300)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Mrrzy

Nice thread, well-revived.

I liked Lazarus Long, but Heinlein got so sexist I couldn't stand to read his stuff any more.

I mean, make sure she has her own desk? Shouldn't that be HER decision?

I like the Nietzsche one, quoted elsewhere probably more correctly, something like Then up spake one old greybeard of a god, and quoth he, I am the Lord they God, you shall have no other gods before Me... and all the other gods died laughing.

I also think he was the one who said, after Voltaire said that if god hadn't existed it would have been necessary to invent him, that the same could not be said of Voltaire. That is, if he hadn't existed, there would have been no need to invent him.

Ingersoll said something about Ignorance is the soil in which belief in miracles flourishes.

I thought Data's brother was Lore, as in, data and lore.


06 Sep 11 - 10:00 PM (#3219308)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: GUEST,999

"Whoever has the gold makes the rules"

Jafar says it to Alladin in the prison when hes disguised as an old man. He was trying to get him to go to the cave of wonders....


I found that little gem on the www at some answers.com or other.


07 Sep 11 - 08:39 AM (#3219460)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Midchuck

I liked Lazarus Long, but Heinlein got so sexist I couldn't stand to read his stuff any more.

I mean, make sure she has her own desk? Shouldn't that be HER decision?


Mrrzy, you got it bass-ackwards!

Heinlein STARTED OUT sexist (by today's standards), and gradually evolved into being less so. What we now call sexism was the normal assumptions of society in general at the time of his childhood - heck, of mine, for that matter. He did a better job of growing out of them than a great many people did. I mean, taking your quote in particular, a great many people (mostly, but not all, men) born when he was would oppose the idea that a man should keep your hands off his wife's desk. After all, she's only a woman, and likely to do something foolish if you don't check on her constantly...

I think the term is "presentism." The idea that people in earlier generations were evil, simply because they didn't share all of our present assumptions about the right way to act. I'm sure that the people 50 or 100 years from now will think that WE were evil. Although I have now idea what their assumptions about morals and ethics will be.

Peter


07 Sep 11 - 08:46 AM (#3219463)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: GUEST,Uncle_DaveO

Don, your quote,
"War does not determine who is right, it determines who is LEFT."
can't be from Confucius, because it's dependent on the English language use of "right" and "left".

The saying has to be from an English speaker, or at the very least, some related language.

Dave Oesterreich


07 Sep 11 - 08:54 AM (#3219469)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Naemanson

The whole of the Sullivan Ballou letter, preferably with Ashoken Farewell playing in the background, from Ken Burns's Civil War. In this day and age of our soldiers fighting in foreign lands it surely strikes a chord.


07 Sep 11 - 09:25 AM (#3219487)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: GUEST,999

"War does not determine who is right - only who is left."

Bertrand Russell


07 Sep 11 - 10:27 AM (#3219505)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: theleveller

"The decadent international but individualistic capitalism in the hands of which we found ourselves after the war is not a success. It is not intelligent. It is not beautiful. It is not just. It is not virtuous. And it doesn't deliver the goods."
John Maynard Keynes


07 Sep 11 - 10:54 AM (#3219523)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Zen

Frank Zappa (from failing memory so it might be slightly out): The two most abundant things in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity but not neccessarily in that order.


07 Sep 11 - 10:56 AM (#3219524)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: kendall

He has given sodomy a bad name. (Winston Churchill)


07 Sep 11 - 11:21 AM (#3219540)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: theleveller

The Zappa quote brings to mind another of his gems: "The mind is like a parachute - it only works when it's open."


07 Sep 11 - 12:07 PM (#3219560)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Midchuck

"When you're teetotal...when you're teetotal, you've always got the rotten feeling that everybody's your boss..."

- Ramblin' Jack Elliot, in "I Belong to Glascow." Don't know if that line was original to him or not.

Peter


07 Sep 11 - 12:14 PM (#3219562)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: GUEST

"If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem"

I always thought that this was a misquote of the original quote: "If you are part of the problem, then you are part of the solution." Which makes more sense, if you think about it.

Saul


07 Sep 11 - 12:21 PM (#3219565)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: theleveller

"A civilization flourishes when people plant trees under which they will never sit." Chinese proverb.


08 Sep 11 - 10:50 AM (#3220058)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: MGM·Lion

"The race is not always to the swift nor the battle to the strong, but that is the way to bet."

    Damon Runyon


08 Sep 11 - 11:49 AM (#3220088)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: kendall

Money doesn't bring happiness, but if you have enough of it you can choose the kind of misery that suites you best.


08 Sep 11 - 12:28 PM (#3220106)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Ed T

It's hard being black. You ever been black? I was black once-when I was poor. Larry Holmes

This taught me a lesson, but I'm not sure what it is.
John McEnroe

You miss 100% of the shots you never take.
Wayne Gretzky

I define fear as standing across the ring from Joe Louis and knowing he wants to go home early.
Max Baer

Rage takes energy, and I want to keep my energy focused. If a man hits me, I'll think, good for you, that's a good shot.
Lennox Lewis


08 Sep 11 - 12:30 PM (#3220109)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Ed T

""The fortunate man, in my opinion, is he to whom the gods have granted the power either to do something which is worth recording or to write what is worth reading, and most fortunate of all is he who can do both. Such a man was my uncle.""
[Pliny the Younger, Letters 6.16.3; tr. B. Radice


08 Sep 11 - 12:39 PM (#3220111)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Ed T

""There is nothing worse than a sharp image of a fuzzy concept."" - Ansel Adams


""Never be afraid to laugh at yourself, after all, you could be missing out on the joke of the century.""
- Dame Edna Everage

""Our major obligation is not to mistake slogans for solutions."" - Gielogo Pensczekrelto

""All human beings should try to learn before they die what they are running from, and to, and why.""
- James Thurber

""There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else."" - James Thurber


""We pray for circumstance, deal with happenstance, and accept consequence…"" -Admiral Pluto Krozabeeep

"Jeez Arnie, this damn chef's hat is too tight and is makin' my brain hurt. No wonder this stuff we put in these cans tastes like crap!" - Hector Boiardi (yes, that Chef Boy-R-Dee!!!)




""The time to be happy is now; the place to be happy is here.""   - Robert G. Ingersoll



"The future keeps telling you what the past was about."" -Tammy Skleerna


"Train rides/trainwrecks, notta lotta diff', 'ceptin' fer one crucial detail, n'est ce pas?"
- Admiral Pluto Krozabeeep


08 Sep 11 - 04:17 PM (#3220243)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: dick greenhaus

"An explanation should be as simple as possible.....and no simpler

.....Albert Einstein


09 Sep 11 - 06:07 AM (#3220516)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: autolycus

"There are many kinds of risks in life: emotional, intellectual and physical. The important ones are those that help you to grow and express your values.

"To laugh is to risk appearing foolish.
"To weep is to risk appearing foolish.
"To reach out for another is to risk involvement.
"To expose feelings is to risk exposing your true self.
"To place your ideas and dreams before the crowd is to risk loss.
"To love is to risk not being loved in return.
"To live is to risk dying.
"To hope is to risk despair.
"To try at all is to risk failure.

"But risk we must because the greatest hazard is to risk nothing at all."

Thus far the quote is by Wally "Famous" Amos.

The continuation by an unknown hand is:-

"The person who risks nothing has nothing, is nothing, does nothing.
"They may avoid suffering and sorrow but simply cannot learn, feel, change, grow, love, live.
"Chained by attitudes we become slaves, forfeit freedom.
"Only the person who takes risks is free."


09 Sep 11 - 08:05 AM (#3220551)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T

""The saying has to be from an English speaker, or at the very least, some related language.""

More or less what I thought Dave, though you expressed it rather better.

Don T.


09 Sep 11 - 09:10 AM (#3220584)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: kendall

"You must know where you were to know where you are; you must know where you are to know where you are going."

Life is like a roll of toilet tissue. The older you get, the faster it goes."


09 Sep 11 - 09:12 AM (#3220585)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: kendall

To my Father:
No man ever need be a total failure. He can always serve as a bad example.


09 Sep 11 - 09:25 AM (#3220594)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: autolycus

Correction

The beginning of the list within should have read

"To laugh is to risk appearing foolish.
"To weep is to risk appearing sentimental."


10 Sep 11 - 11:42 AM (#3221152)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: MGM·Lion

There are two lines in Louis McNeice's Autumn Journal, supposed to refer to the Ancient World, which strike me these days as a fine description of my early years:~

   It was all so unimaginably different
   And all so long ago.

~Michael~


10 Sep 11 - 12:29 PM (#3221176)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Mrrzy

Heilein's idea (later) of not being sexist was to write women being exactly like men (never too busy for a little squeeze-titty etc). That is sexist to me, I like my women womanly.

But then again he did say some good things:

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." (still sexist but I like it.)

"The universe never did make sense; I suspect it was built on government contract."

"Yield to temptation. It may not pass your way again."

Then here are some more from Ingersoll:

"If a man would follow, today, the teachings of the Old Testament, he would be a criminal. If he would follow strictly the teachings of the New, he would be insane."

"Tolerance is giving to every other human being every right that you claim for yourself."

and

"Anger blows out the lamp of the mind."


10 Sep 11 - 12:50 PM (#3221185)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Midchuck

Heilein's idea (later) of not being sexist was to write women being exactly like men

Then why did he say: Men are more sentimental than women. It blurs their thinking.?

...But then again he did say some good things:

Such as:

Rub her feet.

History does not record anywhere at any time a religion that has any rational basis. Religion is a crutch for people not strong enough to stand up to the unknown without help. But, like dandruff, most people do have a religion and spend time and money on it and seem to derive considerable pleasure from fiddling with it.

Never frighten a little man. He'll kill you.

Political tags--such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and. so forth--are never basic criteria. The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire. The former are idealists acting from highest motives for the greatest good of the greatest number. The latter are surly curmudgeons, suspicious and lacking in altruism. But they are more comfortable neighbors than the other sort.


But enough. Google "notebooks of Lazarus Long" and decide for yourself.

Peter


10 Sep 11 - 03:25 PM (#3221259)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: GUEST,Lighter

"What does not kill me makes me so miserable that I wish were dead."
--Mad magazine.


10 Sep 11 - 03:46 PM (#3221263)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Smokey.

What doesn't kill me makes me stranger. (trad)


10 Sep 11 - 05:59 PM (#3221312)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: autolycus

The one about "What doesn't kill me makes me stronger" is untrue because, apart from those killed, there are others who get weakened woithout dying.


10 Sep 11 - 06:33 PM (#3221331)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Smokey.

Very true, Autolycus.


11 Sep 11 - 05:33 AM (#3221467)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: MGM·Lion

No-one seems quite sure who first said "Everything nice is either illegal, immoral or fattening". I have heard both Dorothy Parker & W C Fields put forward as candidates.

But, whoever said it, there it is ...

~Michael~


11 Sep 11 - 09:28 AM (#3221520)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: GUEST,Lighter

MtheGM, the most likely coiner was the theater critic Alexander Woollcott. According to an article in the Reader's Digest in 1933, he said more than once, "All the things I really like to do are either immoral, illegal, or fattening."

Woollcott rarely gets credit because he's no longer famous.

The inclusion of "illegal" raises the possibility - no more than that - that he was thinking of Prohibition, in effect in the U.S. from 1920 through 1933.


11 Sep 11 - 10:41 AM (#3221541)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: MGM·Lion

Thanks, Lighter. Yes, Prohibition seems a good suggestion re the 'illegal', indeed.


11 Sep 11 - 04:47 PM (#3221691)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: kendall

When all your relationships become battle ships it's time to change course.


11 Sep 11 - 06:11 PM (#3221722)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: GUEST,Bert

Give me a key and I'll play in any flat. - Jack Fallon


11 Sep 11 - 11:01 PM (#3221731)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Smokey.

Idleness is the grandmother of invention.


12 Sep 11 - 01:01 AM (#3221763)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Don Firth

There comes a time in the affairs of man when he must take the bull by the tail and face the situation.
                                                                                                                                           --W. C. Fields

Don Firth


12 Sep 11 - 12:17 PM (#3222004)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: kendall

When in Rome, do as the Romanians do. (G. Bush)


12 Sep 11 - 03:44 PM (#3222119)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: GUEST,Uncle_DaveO

Lies: "A lie is a sin, and a shame . . . and an ever-present help in time of trouble."
       Adlai Stevenson


12 Sep 11 - 07:44 PM (#3222223)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: GUEST,roderick warner

'A complex God is less likely to rally violent mobs.' Jaron Lanier.

And slightly at variance maybe:

'that eternal dissent

and the ravages of

faction are preferable

to the voluntary

servitude of blind

obedience'

from 'The Protestant View' by the great, late Edward Dorn...


12 Sep 11 - 08:12 PM (#3222234)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Dorothy Parshall

The reason a dog has so many friends is that he wags his tail instead of his tongue.        -Anonymous

The average dog is a nicer person than the average person. -Andy Rooney

If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous,
he will not bite you; that is the principal difference between a dog and a man.                        - Mark Twain

"Animals are my friends, and I don't eat my friends"
~George Bernard Shaw

The time will come when men such as I will look upon the murder of animals as they now look upon the murder of men."
~ Leonardo Da Vinci

Our grandchildren will ask us one day: Where were you during the Holocaust of the animals? What did you do against these horrifying crimes? We won't be able to offer the same excuse for the second time, that we didn't know.. -Dr. Helmut Kaplan


13 Sep 11 - 05:12 AM (#3222365)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: autolycus

"All the things I really like to do are either immoral, illegal, or fattening" , is usually attributed to Alexander Woollcott in Dictionaries of Quotations, an area I collect.


A cynic is someone who, when he smells flowers, looks for the coffin. [Source required.]


13 Sep 11 - 09:14 PM (#3222856)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: dick greenhaus

Failure is not an option....I's an integral part of the package.


13 Sep 11 - 09:15 PM (#3222857)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: kendall

Getting on your feet means getting off your ass.


14 Sep 11 - 11:20 AM (#3223090)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: autolycus

To sit a risk is as dangerous as to stand a risk.


14 Sep 11 - 01:27 PM (#3223173)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: GUEST,kendall

Watch closely he in whom the need to punish is strong. (?)


14 Sep 11 - 02:02 PM (#3223188)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T

Strive every day to be at least half as good as your dog believes you to be.

Source unknown to me.

Lying is anathema to me, but when my wife asks "Does my bum look big in this?" I shall reply "No Dear".

Don T.


14 Sep 11 - 07:17 PM (#3223331)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Midchuck

Strive every day to be at least half as good as your dog believes you to be.

Or, if you can't manage that, to live up to your cat's expectations with regard to the quality of your service to her...

Peter


14 Sep 11 - 07:33 PM (#3223332)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Smokey.

The right answer to "Does my bum look big in this?" is "It looks perfect".


15 Sep 11 - 03:30 AM (#3223441)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: autolycus

The man always has the last word in any argument. "Yes, dear."


18 Sep 11 - 08:21 PM (#3225343)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Bill D

"Most people would rather live with a problem they cannot solve, rather than accept a solution they cannot understand."

Robert Woolsey


18 Sep 11 - 08:26 PM (#3225344)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: saulgoldie

That's a pretty big thought, Bill.

Saul


18 Sep 11 - 08:45 PM (#3225349)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: GUEST,gillymor

"Be careful not to speak clearer than you think."
I heard Howard Baker say it but I'm not sure whose it is.
It might be good advice for Michelle Bachman.


18 Sep 11 - 10:07 PM (#3225367)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: GUEST,number 6

"If we, as a global audience, focus solely on violence and militarism, we reinforce the notion that they are the most effective form of action. On the other hand, if we pay more attention to nonviolent or unarmed efforts, we strengthen the legitimacy and influence of those choosing to use these means." .....Julia Bacha executive director Just Vision


... biLL


19 Sep 11 - 04:06 AM (#3225430)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: MGM·Lion

Love without hope, as when the young bird-catcher
Swept off his tall hat to the Squire's own daughter
So let the imprisoned Larks escape and fly
Singing about her head, as she rode by.
               
·Robert Graves·


19 Sep 11 - 05:42 AM (#3225446)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: autolycus

"an unacknowledged part of us has been actively creating this apparent outside 'fate' all along, but without our conscious understanding."   Prudence Jones.


19 Sep 11 - 10:36 AM (#3225554)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: MGM·Lion

Who originally described life as "a sexually transmitted condition with 100% mortality rate"?

~M~


19 Sep 11 - 11:34 AM (#3225580)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Bill D

"In shallow waters, shrimps make fools of dragons."   
   - Chinese Proverb


19 Sep 11 - 11:55 PM (#3225915)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: mrdux

"A cynic is someone who, when he smells flowers, looks for the coffin."

i have that as a Mencken quote.


20 Sep 11 - 12:12 AM (#3225918)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Smokey.

"Normal? If you are normal I intend to be a freak for the rest of my life, and I shall baffle you with cabbages and rhinoceroses in the kitchen and incessant quotations from 'Now We Are Six' through the mouthpiece of Lord Snooty's giant poisoned electric head. So there."

(Vivian Stanshall, My Pink Half of the Drainpipe)


23 Sep 11 - 01:15 AM (#3227525)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: autolycus

The cynic definition is, indeed, Mencken's.


23 Sep 11 - 11:44 PM (#3228150)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Van

Kendal
I have "distrust all those in whom the urge to punish is strong" as being by Goethe.


23 Sep 11 - 11:47 PM (#3228152)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: MGM·Lion

I would not wish to log on to any site which would welcome posts from me.

Not Groucho Marx


24 Sep 11 - 07:48 PM (#3228510)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Leadfingers

Was it Al Capone who said "An honest Politician is one who stays bought" ?


25 Sep 11 - 12:26 AM (#3228563)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: catspaw49

I'd have sworn I posted on this one years ago but................so here are two that I think of daily:

"And if I laugh at any mortal thing, 'Tis that I may not weep"....... Lord Byron (George Gordon)

"There is only what is;what should be never existed." ....Leonard A. Schneider, Stand-Up Philosopher


Spaw


27 Sep 11 - 03:55 AM (#3229748)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: autolycus

"Was it Al Capone who said "An honest Politician is one who stays bought" ? "

According to "Quotations with an Attitude. A Wickedly funny source book" by Roy L. Stewart, that was said by one Simon Cameron [1799-1889].


27 Sep 11 - 04:24 AM (#3229751)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: autolycus

' I have "distrust all those in whom the urge to punish is strong" as being by Goethe.'

According to Bartlett's Familiar Quotations, 14th ed., it's Nietzsche, from Thus Spake Zarathustra, part 2 ch.29.

It is there in those words in my copy of Zarathustra, translated by Thomas Common.


27 Sep 11 - 11:41 AM (#3229960)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: autolycus

Simon Cameron was Lincoln's Minister of State for War. It says here.


28 Sep 11 - 05:09 AM (#3230430)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: autolycus

you're welcome.


29 Sep 11 - 07:19 PM (#3231374)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: autolycus

Novelist David Foster Wallace about television.

"Who would want to live when you can watch?"


30 Sep 11 - 01:42 PM (#3231778)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Musket

Live like there's no tomorrow,
Love like you've never been hurt,
Dance like nobody's watching,
and fuck like you're being filmed.

(A mate of mine in Dublin.)

I actually like the words of Andy Capp, a cartoon strip in The Daily Mirror years ago, created by Reg Smythe, who said, amongst other gems "One half of the world is trying to have fun and the other half are trying to stop them."


01 Oct 11 - 07:15 AM (#3232133)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: autolycus

Found this easily enough

The post is at
http://forum.quoteland.com/eve/forums?q=Y&a=tpc&s=586192041&f=785191641&m=8361979722
I contacted Mr. Purkey asking him (here is the beginning of my message to him):
Are you the author of a quote that goes something like:
"Dance like no one is watching,
Work like you don't need the money..."

and this is his reply:

Dear John,

Thanks for your note regarding the quote. It is
obvious that the theme has worked its way through many minds.
I certainly want to give credit to those who have tinkered with this beautiful concept.
My version follows. I am sure that most of the words are mine.
"You've gotta' dance like there's nobody watching,
Love like you'll never be hurt.
Sing like there's nobody listening,
And live like it's heaven on earth."
(And speak from the heart to be heard.)
Hope this helps.
Best wishes,

William W. Purkey


07 Oct 11 - 08:42 PM (#3235609)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T

Bureaucracy is the art of rendering the simple impossible.

Don T.


07 Oct 11 - 08:58 PM (#3235613)
Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: saulgoldie

From Kathy Mattea:

You've got to sing like you don't need the money,
Love like you'll never get hurt,
You've got to dance like nobody's watching,
It's gotta come from the heart, if you want it to work.



Saul