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Lyr Req: Westerly Winds/Now Westlin Winds (Burns)

27 Mar 99 - 08:33 AM (#66277)
Subject: Westerly Winds
From: Pete

Looking for the words to Westerly Winds by Robert Burns or could be known as 'Ode to Autumn' Thanks Pete


27 Mar 99 - 08:43 AM (#66280)
Subject: RE: Westerly Winds
From: The Shambles

It is in the good old DT NOW WESTLIN WINDS


27 Mar 99 - 09:02 AM (#66284)
Subject: RE: Westerly Winds
From: Dan Calder

Canadian folk singer Garnet Rogers has done a great version of this tune on his first CD entitled "Garnet Rogers". Well worth a listen. See his web site for ordering information. http://www.daddyo.com/SnowGoose/index.html

For anyone not familiar with Garnet, he is the brother of the late, great Stan Rogers. I've had the pleasure of seeing Garnet in concert several times, and have even been able to spend a little time talking to him. Fabulous performer, and a genuinely nice guy.

Enjoy,

Dan


27 Mar 99 - 09:06 AM (#66286)
Subject: RE: Westerly Winds
From: Pete

Thanks for your help Shambles, the words are right but there is another tune to this than the sample given on the data base. Does any one know the other tune for this song.

Pete


27 Mar 99 - 10:41 PM (#66404)
Subject: RE: Westerly Winds
From: Susan A-R

Believe that the actual poem title should be "Song Composed in August. just in case you wanted that trivia. Nice song!


22 Apr 99 - 02:28 PM (#72770)
Subject: Lyrics needed for 'Now Westlin' Winds'
From: danl

can anyone help me find a copy of the lyrics to this? from Dick Gaughan's 'Handfull of Earth' i think. thanks!


22 Apr 99 - 02:35 PM (#72771)
Subject: RE: Lyrics needed for 'Now Westlin' Winds'
From: MMario

I do believe you will find them

here

if the link doesn't work try this address:

http://www.mudcat.org/@displaysong.cfm?SongID=4291

MMario


22 Apr 99 - 04:31 PM (#72790)
Subject: RE: Lyrics needed for 'Now Westlin' Winds'
From: Susan-Marie

And once you have the lyrics you need to decide which tune to use. Frank Harte uses one, Anam uses another, and the MIDI I have (I think it was from the DT) is different from either! I like Frank's.


22 Apr 99 - 07:23 PM (#72834)
Subject: RE: Lyrics needed for 'Now Westlin' Winds'
From: Bobby Bob, Ellan Vannin

Lyrics by one Robert Burns, in fact, so if all else fails, grab a book of his poems.

Shoh slaynt,

Bobby Bob


23 Apr 99 - 03:50 AM (#72908)
Subject: RE: Lyrics needed for 'Now Westlin' Winds'
From: Wolfgang

Ivy,
you have the lyrics by now, but in case you are looking for more songs found on Dick Gauhan's records go to Dick Gaughan's song library which has a lot of lyrics (as he sings them) including 'Now westlin' winds'.

Wolfgang


23 Apr 99 - 03:03 PM (#72975)
Subject: RE: Lyrics needed for 'Now Westlin' Winds'
From: danl

thanks one and all! i now see how easy all this could have been! why didnt i think of that before i wonder? maybe because all this is very new to me and a bit daunting, all this being the wonderful world wide web and in fact i must admit folk music too. being a young whippersnapper of a student with too much work and too little money i dont get much oppertunity to pick up anything much more than snippets of things that ive heard friends sing. i'll look forward to increasing my musical knowledge though this site though! thanks again,

ivy b.


05 Oct 04 - 05:48 PM (#1289583)
Subject: Tune Req: ALT tune for Burns' Westlin Winds
From: Susan-Marie

Being autumn and all, I'm having my band learn Now Westlin Winds by Bobbie Burns. But I just realized I know it to a tune completely different than the one in DT. I learned it from a recording someone made of Frank Harte singing on their porch. Does anyone else know this song to an alternate tune? DO Dick Gaughan and Susan McKeown sing it to the DT tune (I had a horse, I had nae mair) or a different one?


05 Oct 04 - 06:18 PM (#1289601)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: ALT tune for Burns' Westlin Winds
From: Jeri

Gaughan sings a different tune than what's in the DT. I haven't heard Susan McKeown sing it.


05 Oct 04 - 06:52 PM (#1289633)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: ALT tune for Burns' Westlin Winds
From: Malcolm Douglas

Gaughan got it from Geordie Hamilton (Edinburgh) and said that Len Graham (Ulster) used a similar tune.


06 Oct 04 - 07:51 AM (#1290080)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: ALT tune for Burns' Westlin Winds
From: Susan-Marie

There's a version of the song here
Is this the tune Gaughan uses?


06 Oct 04 - 07:55 AM (#1290082)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: ALT tune for Burns' Westlin Winds
From: Brian Hoskin

Yes, that's the tune Dick Gaughan uses


06 Oct 04 - 01:57 PM (#1290440)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: ALT tune for Burns' Westlin Winds
From: Susan-Marie

Thanks. Frank Harte used yet another tune - closer to Gaughan's tune than the one in the DT, but still very different. I found a version of it by Phil Callery & The Long Wave Band, and he says it's the tune of the air "Rattling Guns".

So, one song, three tunes (and counting!)


30 Dec 09 - 03:31 PM (#2799505)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Now Westlin Winds (Robert Burns)
From: GUEST,Ferg

Wow - ten years later and I'm the next one to post!
Just been playing this song on my gut string. Makes me cheery.


30 Dec 09 - 04:01 PM (#2799536)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Now Westlin Winds (Robert Burns)
From: Tattie Bogle

The original title - in any book of Burns' poetry is "Song Composed in August": my interpretation is that it is a reference to "The Glorious Twelfth" - the start of grouse shooting in Scotland. It always amazes me that some folk sing it all the way through in the same sweet tone of voice (not necessarily DG however!)when I am sure the third verse is angry, a protest against blood sports -
"Avaunt away, the cruel sway,
Tyrannic man's dominion,
The sportsman's joy, the murdering cry,
The fluttering gory pinion".
I go back to tips given me by a couple of very good singers: "read the words, make sense of them, then put the sense into your singing".

Oh, and one young band even left that verse out!

OK, rant over, it's still my favourite Burns song of all time for the beautiful imagery in ALL of the verses, and he wrote it when so young too.


30 Dec 09 - 06:01 PM (#2799611)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Now Westlin Winds (Robert Burns)
From: Joe_F

A tune, presumably the one specified by Burns, is given in _Burns: Poems and Songs_ (ed. James Kinsley), p. 2. It is described as that of "I had a horse, I had nae mair".


30 Dec 09 - 07:14 PM (#2799677)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Now Westlin Winds (Robert Burns)
From: Smokey.

Burns' original is called 'Peggy'.


30 Dec 09 - 07:29 PM (#2799693)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Now Westlin Winds (Robert Burns)
From: Tattie Bogle

She who he wrote it for, mentioned in the 4th verse.


31 Dec 09 - 09:14 AM (#2799991)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Now Westlin Winds (Robert Burns)
From: Jim McLean

I thought you might like to read this, taken from James C Dick's book 'The Songs of Robert Burns and Notes on Scottish Song by Robert Burns':

In the Commonplace Book, entitled 'Har'ste:- a fragment, are eight lines substantially the same as begins the song which the sister of Burns said was written for Jean Armour. The complete song is in the Kilmarnock edition 1786, 224, entitled 'Song, composed in August'. Tune,'I had a Horse, I had naer mair', and the MS. is in the British Museum. Burns changed the heroine to Peggy Thomson, who lived next door to the Kirkoswald school, where Burns studied trigonometry, and she 'upset all my sines and co-sines, and it was in vain to to think of doing any more good at school'. She subsequently married a Mr. Neilson, and Burns was on friendly terms with both. When the song was revised, Burns altered the melody to Port Gordon, as may be seen in the Gray and Law MS Lists, but Johnson of the (Scots Musical) Museum neglected the instruction, and attached the melody When the King Comes o'er the Water, titling it erroneously Come, Kiss with Me. Thomson, in Scottish Airs, 1799, 93, mutilated the verses, and adapted them to an Irish air 'Ally Croker'. The tune Port Gordon, for which Burns wrote the song, is in the Caledonian Pocket Companion, c. 1756, viii. 25. There is a familiar resemblance, but the air is not the same as When the King Comes o'er the Water.

I have listened to Dick Gaughan and various other singers on YouTube but not one of them sings either the 'Come, Kiss with me', 'Port Gordon' or 'I had a Horse, I had nae mair' tune. I wonder if they are singing the 'Ally Croker' tune which I don't have at the moment, or did someone originally 'invent' their own tune and everyone else copied it?


31 Dec 09 - 09:16 AM (#2799997)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Now Westlin Winds (Robert Burns)
From: Jim McLean

PS The tune in the DigiTrad is 'I had a horse, I had nae mair'.


25 May 18 - 04:03 AM (#3926976)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Westerly Winds/Now Westlin Winds (Burns)
From: GUEST

Can you tell me who wrote the music to the Now Westlin Winds as sung by Dick Gaughan?
Thanks


11 Jun 18 - 08:12 PM (#3930399)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Westerly Winds/Now Westlin Winds (Burns)
From: GUEST,Martin

I found another mentioning of "the Air 'Rattling Guns'" for the melody in a recorded performance of Westlin Winds by The Voice Squad. Someone above cited the same by "Phil Callery & The Long Wave Band" - well, Phil is member of The Voice Squad as well.

To add to the confusion: John Moulden here suggests the name "Rattling Guns" might itself have resulted from a distortion of the first line of "Westlin Winds"... (if I understand that correctly).

However, he also refers to Len Graham, wo can be found singing the song to a tune quite similar to Gaughans variant.

But I could not find any notes to an air "Rattlings Guns" online.


12 Jun 18 - 10:25 AM (#3930494)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Westerly Winds/Now Westlin Winds (Burns)
From: Gallus Moll

'Bobbie' Burns?????!!!!!


14 Jun 18 - 11:34 AM (#3930860)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Westerly Winds/Now Westlin Winds (Burns)
From: leeneia

Since I'm a bird lover, I took an interest in this song and decided to sing it. Before I could do that it needed work. If you are a Catter in good standing, PM me with your e-mail address, and I will send you a PDF of the music and lyrics.

Burns combined two songs here, a song of love and a song of protest. it isn't working. The love is like ice cream and the protest is like hot sauce. They don't work when mixed.

The tune in the DT is a good start but needed modification. It's a pipe tune or fiddle tune and has a big range - an octave plus four notes. It has many snaps, but the short note of the snap often comes on the strong syllable of a word; it's backwards. So I've altered the tune. It is in 4/4 time in the key of E. The first chord is A. I will submit it for posting and it should appear here soon.

Since I can't sing 18th-C Scots dialect, I modernized the words. Here they are. (I kept 'hern' because of the meter.)

1. Now westlin wind the warm rain brings
and August's pleasant weather;
The moorcock springs on whirring wings,
Among the blooming heather;
Now waving grain, wide o'er the plain,
Delights the weary farmer;
The moon shines bright, as I rove at night,
To muse upon my Charmer.

2. The partridge loves the fruitful fells;
The plover loves the mountains;
The wood-cock haunts the lonely dells;
The soaring hern the fountains.
Through lofty groves the cushat roves,
The path o'-man: to shun it;
The hazel bush o'erhangs the thrush,
the spreading thorn the linnet.

3. Thus ev'ry kind their pleasure find,
The savage and the tender;
Some social join, and leagues combine;
Some solitary wander:
But Peggy dear, the ev'ning's clear,
Thick flies the skimming swallow;
The sky is blue, the fields in view,
All fading-green and yellow:

3. Come let us stray our gladsome way,
And view the charms o' Nature:
The rustling corn, the fruited thorn
And ev'ry happy creature.
We'll gently walk, and sweetly talk,
While the silent moon shines clearly;
I'll clasp thy waist, and fondly prest,
Swear how I love thee dearly.


Click to play (joeweb)


14 Jun 18 - 01:05 PM (#3930873)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Westerly Winds/Now Westlin Winds (Burns)
From: Tattie Bogle

I have always sung the full 5 verses: I can work with the contrast between verses 1,2,4,5 and the angry verse 3. If you look back at my post from 2009, I did mention that one band left verse 3 out, much to my consternation! I do go loud and angry in v3 and then quieten down again in v4. Each to their own, I suppose. I don't have a Scots accent, although had a Scottish mother, so I do have to work on the pronunciation, although this particular song has less of the broad Scots in it than some of Burns' poems.
I have always sung it to the tune popularised by Dick Gaughan, which has a range of an octave + 1 tone, so not too much of a stretch. I did look at the Port Gordon tune, but it also has a range of an octave-and-a-half a seemed a particularly miserable tune to me, so haven't gone any further with that.


14 Jun 18 - 08:23 PM (#3930935)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Westerly Winds/Now Westlin Winds (Burns)
From: GUEST,Guest

If we are to exclude Dick from the current singers of the song then it would be hard to find better interpretations than either Phil Callery's or Alan Prior's.
It really is a magical song and I would submit that the sweet and the protest work exceedingly well when in the hands of masters such as above.
Let's not lose sight of the fact that Burns was writing of life as it was and in some areas still is.


15 Jun 18 - 04:41 AM (#3930973)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Westerly Winds/Now Westlin Winds (Burns)
From: GUEST,RA

I aye thocht it wis "brin autumn's pleasant weather", no "bring"...


15 Jun 18 - 11:44 AM (#3931037)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Westerly Winds/Now Westlin Winds (Burns)
From: Tattie Bogle

Agree with GUEST, guest there!

It's "bring" in my copy of Complete Works.


15 Jun 18 - 05:08 PM (#3931084)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Westerly Winds/Now Westlin Winds (Burns)
From: FreddyHeadey

Andrew Calhoun singing it to the original tune
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNlHPAxJu6U?t=225s
Return to the start of you want to hear his description.


20 Jun 18 - 03:44 AM (#3932040)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Westerly Winds/Now Westlin Winds (Burns)
From: Joe Offer

Leeneia sent me her arrangement of the melody. Thanks, Leeneia.


Click to play (joeweb)


20 Jun 18 - 10:26 AM (#3932147)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Westerly Winds/Now Westlin Winds (Burns)
From: leeneia

You're welcome, Joe.


05 Nov 19 - 08:53 AM (#4017264)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Westerly Winds/Now Westlin Winds (Burns)
From: GUEST,passing by

Here's a version quite like any other:

Yorkston Thorne Khan - Westlin Winds

And from their Twitter -

" shared is our version of Dick Gaughan's version of Robert Burns' 'Now Westlin Winds'. In true YTK style, we've mixed it with a rather beautiful song that Suhail learned from qawwali singers at Hazrat Nizammuddin’s shrine in Delhi"


05 Nov 19 - 07:24 PM (#4017391)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Westerly Winds/Now Westlin Winds (Burns)
From: Stewie

Here is a beaut recent rendition:

Band of Burns

--Stewie.


05 Nov 19 - 07:27 PM (#4017393)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Westerly Winds/Now Westlin Winds (Burns)
From: Stewie

Apologies, not recent, but definitely a good'un.

--Stewie.