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27 Jul 07 - 12:52 PM (#2112735)
Subject: BS: Barometric Pressure Headaches
From: Mickey191

JUst read 50 posts from the past & no one mentioned the abominable Barometric pressure headache. Is there anyone who has found a way to relieve these? Agony is the byword. I've been on many medical sites & they are of no help. Some push Air Ionizers- anyone have an opinion on this?

I've been to weather sites trying to ascertain the pressure point which starts the damn pain. No info. I awake around 4:00am -immediately take Ibuprofen, AdvilPM, Aleve, or any O.T.Counter drug. None of these alone help unless I combine it Nytol types which finally puts me to sleep. My liver probably will disintegrate if I keep taking this crap. Hot or cold cloths & A.C. does nothing. When I awaken I'm good for the day.

This is the 6th day - cannot get app't. to DR. till 8/3.

Signed, DESPERATE Mickey191


27 Jul 07 - 01:01 PM (#2112741)
Subject: RE: BS: Headaches
From: Mickey191

Jeeze--My Cat is wanting to cuddle!


27 Jul 07 - 01:55 PM (#2112781)
Subject: RE: BS: Headaches
From: Zhenya

For years, I thought I had sinus headaches because I'd get a headache when there was a storm and the air pressure changed. (I thought this was related to sinus pressure.) I treated them with OTC sinus pills, which worked after 4-5 hours.

After a particularly bad one, I finally saw a doctor and found out I'd been having migraines all along. Since then I've used OTC medications (Excedrin migraine or just plain Advil) and these usually work a lot better. However, it took a few years of trial and error to find the best way to take these to optimize relief and minimize side effects. For me, what works is taking a pill with a full glass of water, waiting about 30-45 minutes, and then eating a good size meal. If I can arrange to take the pill this way, it almost always works well. If I take it and eat immediately, it works, but I get many more side effects. If I take it and don't eat at all, it often seems to not work very much at all. )

Interestingly, sometimes I'll be okay during the storm, and then get a terrible headache when the storm clears, which I guess is another change in barometric pressure.

I don't know if this will help you, but at least I can say I know exactly what you're going through, and hope you find something that does bring relief.


27 Jul 07 - 02:17 PM (#2112793)
Subject: RE: BS: Headaches
From: Mickey191

Zhenya, Thank you so much for your answer-I'm glad you've found a cure. I'm afraid it won't work for me-as mine comes always around 4:00am. I will get Excedrin though & see if that helps. The medical sites I've been to seem, without exception, to class migraine & B.P. headaches as one entity. Just found out that migraines are _any_ headache which are on one side of the head. So I guess mine can be called migraine too.   Thanks again.


27 Jul 07 - 04:08 PM (#2112853)
Subject: RE: BS: Headaches
From: Little Hawk

I have some tendency to get those too. It seems to be a combination of tense muscles in the neck, stress, and atmospheric conditions which sets it off.


27 Jul 07 - 04:13 PM (#2112856)
Subject: RE: BS: Headaches
From: Mrrzy

This is a strange one, but it works for me: When a headache gets bad enough to interfere with my attempting to continue with my day, I get a pack of ice and put it on my EYEBALLS. It feels very strange - but you'll get a kind of seeping cold into your head, and by the time you can feel it in your chest (maybe 2-3 mn), the headache is MUCH better. This came out of my really liking those around-the-eyes cold backs but finding that if a kid being helpful moved it onto my eyes, it actually worked better.


27 Jul 07 - 05:22 PM (#2112897)
Subject: RE: BS: Headaches
From: Zhenya

Mickey191 - Yes, migraines are usually just on one side of the head (could be either side, and the same headache could switch sides at some point!) but occasionally I get one that spreads to my whole head, if I don't catch it soon enough. They also usually have other symptoms: nausea (this is why I have to wait a while to eat anything, to let the medicine start to take effect) and hypersensitivity to lights, sounds, and smells. There could be other symptoms as well, but anyway, it's on beyond just a headache.

I do know that the ones that start while I'm asleep and that I wake up with (or that wake me up) are the most severe ones. I guess this is because I can't get to the medicine soon enough, so they're full blown before I ever get to take anything. They tend to last a lot longer than the others. If this is the kind you usually get, I can understand why you're having trouble.

Mrrzy - that does sound strange! - but I'm going to give it a try the next time I have a migraine, before I try the medicine, or at least while I'm waiting for it to take effect. It also reminded me about another anti-migraine method I've heard of, that seems to help sometimes: Hold your earlobes using light pressure with your thumb and index finger, and open you mouth as if yawning.

My feeling with these severe headaches is, anything is worth a try. When they're at their worst, you really can't function in any meaningful way.


27 Jul 07 - 05:28 PM (#2112901)
Subject: RE: BS: Headaches
From: Megan L

My family used to call me the storm witch cause i would feel it comming way before there were any signs. Then i was diagnosed as asthmatic and put on pulmicort and now i rarely get a warning headache


27 Jul 07 - 05:31 PM (#2112905)
Subject: RE: BS: Headaches
From: Bonzo3legs

Paracetomol.


27 Jul 07 - 05:38 PM (#2112912)
Subject: RE: BS: Headaches
From: Sorcha

I rarely get migraines, but when I do, it's straight for the demerol shot. I have about 20 mins to get home and in bed in the dark. The pain seems to be a band about 3" wide completely circling my head. Kinda feels like the top of my head might shoot up any minute.

I've had cross over paralysis, blindness, vomiting, extreme light sensitivity, and all the other symptoms in just one episode. The worst one was when I was 17 and trying to finish "Atlas Shrugged" before the due date. (I still blame that one on Ayn Rand). The medicos thought I was having a stroke. I did manage to wake up enough to tell my dad to return the book to the library. I'm good with books! LOL

After I get home I use a constriction band around my head, ice packs any where I can place them, and as near to total silence and darkness as I can get. Usually totally down for 2 days.

Thank all the gods they only happen about every 5-7 years.


27 Jul 07 - 06:53 PM (#2112980)
Subject: RE: BS: Headaches
From: Liz the Squeak

Headaches at 4.00am sound like they might be blood pressure related... More heart attacks happen at 3-4.00am than at any other time apparently.... the body is at its most relaxed and deepest sleep part of the pattern. Maybe your headaches are just your brains' way of telling you to keep the old pump going.

Whilst in hospital suffering with chest pains, I was awakened from a deep sleep by a nurse standing over me with adrenalin shot in hand, and monitors bleeping rude messages in morse code... my heart rate dropped below 35 and my pressure crashed... it was 3.54am.

Headaches usually fall into two categories. One where the blood vessels to the brain are constricted and so blood can't flow properly - fixed with a caffeine or sugar shot and the other is the opposite - blood vessels expanded (dilated?) usually by caffeine or sugar and so too much blood is allowed in. At 4.00am, if you're asleep, it's probably the former problem.

LTS


27 Jul 07 - 06:54 PM (#2112981)
Subject: RE: BS: Headaches
From: autolycus

A woman in her late 30s at work said to me that she'd heard what I'd being saying a coupla weeks before, and did I know what. I said what and she said,

"My migraine's gone."

I said, "What migraine," and she said, "I've always had a migraine. Amnd it's gone. "

Up to that point, she had always looked dead serious and strained; after, she always looked smiling.

What had she heard me say?

That people are dehydrated, and that a doc once told me most people do not drink enough water - note, not tea, coffe, aquah, but water.

I asked the doc what he meant by "Enough", and he said 6 pints a day.

And when the 50s lady mentioned abovekept being asked how come she was looking so well, and she explained she was drinking more water,


          they just laughed.


still, got rid of her migraine.






       Ivor


27 Jul 07 - 10:15 PM (#2113076)
Subject: RE: BS: Headaches
From: GUEST,leeneia

I used to be headache champion! I don't think anyone ever understood why they happened. Sometimes, low air pressure was clearly a suspect.

Sometimes a temple would hurt as if someone had tried to drive a nail into it. Sometimes it felt as if someone had attached a winch to my neck muscles and was trying to pull my head off backwards. I suspected that aching muscles caused these pains. Then a nurse told me about Aspercreme. It worked! I would rub it on the affected part and get relief with no fears of an upset stomach.

I suggest you try it. I also suggest drinking plenty of water, as suggested.


27 Jul 07 - 10:49 PM (#2113091)
Subject: RE: BS: Headaches
From: JennyO

Sometimes when I wake up in the early morning, I have a headache - not bad enough to actually wake me up though. I usually put it down to either being dehydrated, or sleeping with my neck muscles strained, or not enough oxygen - particularly if I'm snuggled down in the blankets on a cold night.

Anyway, I go to the loo, take a couple of paracetamols, drink a glass or two of water, and change my position in bed. I can usually feel the headache slightly improving even as I drift off back to sleep. If it has happened fairly late, I only need another hour or less to get over it and wake up refreshed.

I don't think it's migraine, and if I had to guess which one of those things it is, my money would be on the bad position in bed. The headache is usually worst if I have inadvertantly finished up on my back (I like to sleep on my side - right side is my favourite). On the occasions I've woken up with a headache when it was too late to go back to sleep, the headache has gone within half an hour or so of my getting up and having some breakfast, with or without the paracetamol.


28 Jul 07 - 01:44 AM (#2113124)
Subject: RE: BS: Headaches
From: Mickey191

Sorcha, Where do you head for your demerol shot? That would straighten me out I'm sure.   Had back spasms once in hospital & one shot put the cure on me. T'was grand! Do you know why you get them every 5 or 7 yrs.?

LTS, My BP has always been normal-but things do change. I've made a glass of iced coffee with sugar--it awaits.

Mrrzy, I've got those little freezerpacks waiting to plant on my eyes.

Zhenya, I have tried the ear lobes massage & pinching. Also the flap connecting thumb & index finger-read that is supposed to help head pain. They didn't work for me.


28 Jul 07 - 01:49 AM (#2113126)
Subject: RE: BS: Headaches
From: Mickey191

Forgot Bonzo, I've tried paracetomol (acetaminophen) with no help.

So I'm armed and ready or battle.


28 Jul 07 - 06:10 AM (#2113181)
Subject: RE: BS: Headaches
From: autolycus

It's an interesting point if you take a drug in a glass of water and it works, whether it's the drug or the water that's doing the trick.

See also the book, "The Body's Many Cries for Water" Dr.Batmanghelidj - if you type the title into google, it's the first result.

he's also cured thousands of people of peptic ulcers.

he says lots of people are not ill, e.g. with the ulcers, just very thirsty.

Since I've upped my water intake, my colds count has plummeted.






       Ivor


28 Jul 07 - 07:44 AM (#2113221)
Subject: RE: BS: Headaches
From: kendall

I still get regular headaches but nothing like the migrains I used to get. They went away when I quit smoking 10 years ago.


28 Jul 07 - 10:20 AM (#2113302)
Subject: RE: BS: Headaches
From: JennyO

BTW Sorcha, I've heard Ayn Rand blamed for a lot of things, but never migraine ;-)


28 Jul 07 - 10:53 AM (#2113315)
Subject: RE: BS: Headaches
From: Sorcha

ER or Dr office, Mickey. And I have no idea why the intervals are so long.


28 Jul 07 - 11:05 AM (#2113326)
Subject: RE: BS: Headaches
From: Becca72

I get the occasional migraine and usually end up in bed for a few hours, taking NSAIDS and it clears up eventually.

A friend of mine gets them so severely and frequently that she has Botox injections to help manage them. I don't know how it works, just that she says it does. Or she could just be covering up cosmetic adjustments :-)


28 Jul 07 - 12:09 PM (#2113373)
Subject: RE: BS: Headaches
From: autolycus

JennyO, try hitting someone over the head with one of Rayn's weightiest.

   Theeeeeeeen try asking them if they've REALLY got a headache.






       Ivor


28 Jul 07 - 12:38 PM (#2113391)
Subject: RE: BS: Headaches
From: Bonzo3legs

"Forgot Bonzo, I've tried paracetomol (acetaminophen) with no help."

Works for me, and they are caffein free.


28 Jul 07 - 01:15 PM (#2113420)
Subject: RE: BS: Headaches
From: Mickey191

My report for today: It came on about 6:00AM & I tried the ice packs on my eyes. BOINNNGGG!! Torture! Then heat to get rid of the icepack pain. Drank the iced coffee with sugar-no change. I finally took two exedrin PMs & went to sleep. Awoke groggy - but no pain. WE had heavy rain & terrible thunderstorm around 4:00am.

Guess this is why the guillotine was invented.

Thanks a million folks.If I live &find a solution -- You will be the first to know.


28 Jul 07 - 01:26 PM (#2113428)
Subject: RE: BS: Headaches
From: JennyO

Well I daresay my copy of Atlas Shrugged would pack a fair wallop - not that I've ever had any reason to hit anyone over the head with it.

On the other hand, I know some people who would feel that they have been verbally hit over the head after reading it (or some of it). It's not for the faint hearted!


28 Jul 07 - 02:47 PM (#2113485)
Subject: RE: BS: Headaches
From: Bonzo3legs

Perhaps it's something to do with the world atlas no longer being 2/3 pink!


28 Jul 07 - 03:02 PM (#2113497)
Subject: RE: BS: Headaches
From: Sorcha

LOL! Well, I was only 16......pretty heavy stuff for a 16 yr old.


28 Jul 07 - 05:53 PM (#2113595)
Subject: RE: BS: Headaches
From: katlaughing

Using caffeine and sugar can get tricky. The caffeine will restrict the blood vessels which may calm things down, but the sugar will get a rush going. I get tension headaches form sleeping too long in the same position; these are alleviated by getting up and moving around as JennyO mentioned. I think the other main reason to watch caffeine and other drinks intake it the effect they may have on your water consumption. A lot of folks think they can count tea and coffee as water since they are made with water. Not so. As mentioned above, you have to drink water in order to stay hydrated. My acupuncturist always tells folks if they get a headache they are first and foremost probably dehydrated.

Here's some interesting info:

Caffeine what it does to you!
Since you're reading this you probably already know that caffeine is a stimulant found in drinks such as coffee, tea, colas and other soft drinks. Caffeine is put in certain drugs such as Cafergot, Fiorinol, Dristan and Excedrin.

Being a stimulant, caffeine works on the central nervous system and makes you more alert. But that's not all. It also acts as a vasoconstrictor (constricts your blood vessels), as a diuretic, and it may even increase blood pressure. It can cause other reactions in some people. Though usually not classified as an addictive drug, caffeine can be addictive in the sense that you can experience withdrawal symptoms if you stop taking it.

A headache caffeine connection The Good News
Caffeine has long been used as a headache remedy. (Did you know that early on Coca-Cola was sold as a headache remedy?) But why does it help?

Migraine sufferers may be especially interested in the way caffeine constricts blood vessels. Blood vessels increasing in size is one of the common occurrences when you're having a migraine. Many migraine medications focus on getting the blood vessels back to their normal size before they wreak havoc on the nerves around them. Many migraine sufferers find that a coffee or coke early on in their headache will keep it at bay.

In medications, caffeine seems to increase the value of the painkillers also. This is why it's aften included various types of tylenol.

As a stimulant, it may be that that little pick-me-up is all you need to keep a headache from hitting. This is compounded by the sugar added to coffee or found in chocolate bars or colas.
A headache caffeine connection The Bad News
Many of the things that can help can also hinder. As a stimulant, especially combined with sugar, caffeine can pick you up but may also drop you quickly. One of the worst things a migraine prone person can do it to take in large amounts of sugar and caffeine on an empty stomach, which can make you blood sugar levels do some pretty wild things, and may stimulate that caffeine headache. In other words, if you're stopping for tea, don't forget the crumpets!

As a diuretic, caffeine may also rob your body of some of the things it really needs. For example, research is showing that migraine sufferers may need to increase the amounts of magnesium in their bodies. But caffeine may be taking it out of your body when you're trying to put it in!

What caffeine does to your blood vessels may be good and bad too. Although it may help to constrict your blood vessels, the headache caffeine connection may be in the way it can backfire and also start expanding them!

The addictive nature of caffeine related to the way it acts on the blood vessels may cause the worst problems. "Weekend headache" is often caused when someone drinks a couple cups of coffee every morning at work, and then sleeps in during the weekend. Since most of us don't drink coffee while we sleep, the withdrawal can trigger a migraine.

Medications add to the problem combining aspirin with coffee, or drugs containing caffeine, can heighten the bad effects.

Caffeine may also cause unneeded anxiety, especially if taken in large quantities and without proper food and sleep. Stress can lower your "resistance" to migraine triggers, and compounded with the steady drip of the coffee pot your stress may be much worse!

A study was done with children and teenagers to check the link between drinking colas and headache, and to see if there is a headache caffeine link. Each participant was a heavy cola drinker, averaging about 1.5 litres a day. All had chronic headache, none had a history of migraine. All of them gradually stopped drinking cola ove 1-2 weeks, and over 91% were headache free during the next 24 weeks! The others had occasional migraine instead of daily chronic headache. This study does seem to show a headache caffeine link. Read more about this study at the World Headache Alliance...
What to do about it...
Some experts believe that it's not so much the quantity of caffeine as it is the consistency, or how regularly you take it. For a migraineur, it's especially true that whatever changes you make in your diet, you should make gradually. Try to even out the amount of caffeine you take to the same amount every day, and better yet, try to make this amount 0!

Check the amounts of caffeine in your drugs, along with your foods. The average cup of (drip) coffee contains about 135mg, black tea 35mg, diet Coke 46mg. Tylenol #1 contains 15mg. Excedrin Migraine 65mg. Many experts suggest keeping your daily intake between 200mg and 600mg. Keeping your intake steady and low should help you avoid a headache caffeine connection.

For a generally positive view of caffeine, see the American National Headache Foundation's section on the headache caffeine connection.
Let's summarize:
* Analyze how much caffeine you're taking in
* Try to make your daily amounts as consistent as possible
* Try to make your daily amounts as low as possible
* Avoid drinking caffeinated, sugary drinks without other food
* Keep a diary to see if there is a headache caffeine link


28 Jul 07 - 06:46 PM (#2113623)
Subject: RE: BS: Headaches
From: Mickey191

Thanks Kat for the very informative article. Did not know there was a World Headache Alliance. I tried the cold coffee & sugar drink because it was a suggestion as a possible fix. I knew I'd be unable to make a pot of coffee at 4:00 am because of the pain. So I did the cold bit. AS I said it did not help.

My normal day starts with one cuppa coffee & toast. Never consume it after 10:00am. I've never seen Excedrin-Migraine pills. Didn't know they existed-or are you referring to Excedrin PM?

My only conclusion is that my problem is weather related. Whether it's blood vessels expanding Or constricted as LTS said, I know not. Maybe it's a water shortage-I rarely drink plain water. I do drink Diet Pepsie (35mg. of caffeine). Honestly-I never checked the contents of the pepsie. I just see ZERO calories & that works for me. BUT---I drink it year round(2 a day average) So why have the headaches just started? It's a puzzlement! Thanks for your interest Kat.


29 Jul 07 - 10:27 AM (#2113955)
Subject: RE: BS: Headaches
From: autolycus

"I rarely drink plain water".    Nuff said. you're dehydrated.



   tea and coffee are diuretic.

   That means they make yu pass water more often, i.e. dehydrate. ('tho can have other beneficial benefits).

   Water shouldn't be drunk like a swift pint, otherwise most will just go straight thru. Best sipped little and oft.





      Ivor


29 Jul 07 - 12:11 PM (#2114031)
Subject: RE: BS: Headaches
From: Donuel

I am headache free for 60 days which is REAL unusual.


29 Jul 07 - 07:34 PM (#2114301)
Subject: RE: BS: Headaches
From: Zhenya

Mickey191,

Here's some info about Excedrin Migraine. Around here (NY) it can be found in pretty much every drugstore.


Excedrin Migraine


29 Jul 07 - 09:48 PM (#2114375)
Subject: RE: BS: Headaches
From: The Fooles Troupe

Actually water drunk a pint or two first thing on rising, DOES clean out the system, by passing almost straight thru...

Was passed this hint by Cacao Canette during an Escrima seminar years ago - says it is part of his Indonesian culture.


30 Jul 07 - 12:44 PM (#2114854)
Subject: RE: BS: Headaches
From: Mickey191

Folks, I thank you all for your remedies. I have started with H2o-. I thank Zhenya for the info. on Excedrin Migraine-I will hit CVS(NY) this afternoon.The headaches are still around--not as long lasting or as painful---(Still a crappy way to start the day) Perhaps the water IS a partial cure.

THIS is the BEST place to come when one is hurting!
Mickey191


30 Jul 07 - 04:36 PM (#2115014)
Subject: RE: BS: Headaches
From: autolycus

Please let us know how you get on Mickey





      Ivor


31 Jul 07 - 12:57 AM (#2115261)
Subject: RE: BS: Headaches
From: Mickey191

Ivor, Thank you for your help--I shall report in. It surely would be great if the solution was water!!! I know all these meds are no good for the liver. Was unable to get excedrin for Migraines--Tomorrow I'll go to a big Poughkeepsie Pharmacy.


31 Jul 07 - 01:11 AM (#2115265)
Subject: RE: BS: Headaches
From: Alice

Mickey, GO TO A DOCTOR!
If it is migraine, you can get a prescription for Imitrex.

Alice


31 Jul 07 - 09:03 PM (#2116083)
Subject: RE: BS: Headaches
From: The Fooles Troupe

Medically speaking, headaches MAY mean internal bleeding in the brain - no need to be a hypochrondriac, but they CAN be serious...


31 Jul 07 - 09:19 PM (#2116095)
Subject: RE: BS: Headaches
From: Zhenya

Mickey,

When I don't have Excedrin Migraine available, I also use just plain Advil. That works well for me too, although it takes somewhat longer to work than the Excedrin Migraine does. I think other brands also now have non-prescription migraine medicines (in fact, I think Advil may even have an "Advil migraine" or something like that), so if you can't find the Excedrin Migraine in your drugstore, you could check for other similar things.

By the way, if you do try the Excedrin Migraine, try it first with just one tablet, not two. The directions on the box I just checked say to take two, but also say not to exceed more that two tablets in 24 hours. I found the one tablet usually is enough to completely cure the headache, and has plenty of caffeine, so you don't want to overdo it! If it really doesn't work completely, then you still have the option of taking the second tablet the same day.

When my migraines were first diagnosed, the neurologist gave me Imitrex. I tried it on two occasions, and had such bad experiences both times, I never wanted to take it again. This was supposed to be the "non-drowsy" medicine, but it literally put me to sleep. Shortly after I took the first dose, I felt intensely drowsy, and just lay down in time. I also felt strong pressure on both sides of my neck (from the medicine's effect on the blood vessels I assume) that really scared me. In addition, although the migraine went away, it came back a few hours later. It was right about that time that Excedrin Migraine first came on the market, and I tried that, and felt much happier using that. When I take it, the migraine usually goes away, and doesn't come back. In all fairness, I've talked to several people who really like using Imitrex, and haven't had these kind of side effects, so it's just an individual thing here.


31 Jul 07 - 11:38 PM (#2116143)
Subject: RE: BS: Headaches
From: Mickey191

Zhenya, I thank you again for your time & advice. I had unexpected Company today & couldn't get in to Poughkeepsie. So tomorrow I will go. I took two sleeping pills last night & slept till & awoke with a slight headache. Got up immediately & took one phenaciten.(SP?) IT was gone in half hour. So that was not too bad. SEnding you a PM. Thanks.


07 Aug 07 - 04:48 PM (#2121102)
Subject: RE: BS: Headaches
From: GUEST,aeolian

Imitrex is known to cause heart problems in many people. I've had migraines for 20 years and I took Imitrex for 5 years and couldn't take it without feeling incredible pressure on my chest. If you're new to Migraine meds this probably isn't a good one to start taking, Imitrex is involved in many lawsuits due to heart attacks.

If you do decide to take your headaches to a professional, Maxalt or Relplex would probably be a better choice. If your headaches are severe enough, you need to see a professional. Migraines are nothing to play with; I've ended up in the ER a few times. It usually takes a Demerol shot to knock mine out, and I get those once a month.


07 Aug 07 - 11:37 PM (#2121357)
Subject: RE: BS: Headaches
From: Mickey191

Aeolian, Thank you so very much for your take on meds. I was able to get the Migraine Excedrin. One was not sufficent-- I awaken with the start of a head pain-I take two. Because I'm so very tired of Chiropractors & Osteopaths-I did not go to a Dr. about the migraines. Also the last couple of weeks I've had just one, and it was not as severe as those I had at the onset. However I've printed up your helpful post & some of the others. If they start again-I will give in & find a Doc. I'll have some knowledge aforehand - thanks to my Mudcat Friends.

I thank you for your help.


08 Aug 07 - 06:47 PM (#2122085)
Subject: RE: BS: Headaches
From: Mickey191

Just read about a lady, Margaret Wegner from Germany, who had terrible headaches & nose bleeds for 55 yrs.

Medical science just figured out how to remove a 3 inch pencil which went thru her cheek & into her brain at age 4. She fell on the pencil while running. Poor Lady!


09 Aug 07 - 07:32 AM (#2122378)
Subject: RE: BS: Headaches
From: Dave the Gnome

Good news for tea and coffee drinkers!

In a nushell - you can now count a small ammount of tea and coffee towards your water intake:-)

The concept that all alcoholic drinks are bad is also being reviewed - Although I suspect alcohol would do nothing to help your headaches! The principle is that although alcohol is diuretic, as is caffeine, the 95% of water, as in beer, will more than make up for it - As long as you stick to sensible ammounts (eg no more than 2 pints)

There is also a surpising ammount of water in food - Particularly fruit.

Remember as well that too much water will start flushing nutrients out of your body at a faster rate than they should be.

Moral? Just be careful not to overdo ANYTHING!

Cheers

Dave


09 Aug 07 - 03:19 PM (#2122662)
Subject: RE: BS: Headaches
From: autolycus

Dave, you omitted the point made in the article that the body needs 2.5 litres of water to function properly.

And it doesn't have side=effects as antibiotics do. Except for going to the loo more often.

When I frink water, i can often feel it going around and think of what I'm doing as taking a rather pleasant medicine.

i hated water as a teenager.






       Ivor


09 Aug 07 - 05:30 PM (#2122735)
Subject: RE: BS: Headaches
From: Bobert

I'm sorry... I thought this htread was about a couple of folks who regularially hang out here...

Jus' funnin'...

No, really... I generally don't get headaches but I've had a very slight one in my left temple area now for 3 days...

Anyone know about these kinds???

Yeah, there does seem to be some pressure in that sinus, too...

And an occasional sharp pain in the same side ear???

Wierd...

Like I said, I don't get these things so this is somewhat bothersome...

Bobert


10 Aug 07 - 09:48 AM (#2123032)
Subject: RE: BS: Headaches
From: JennyO

Funny you should mention that, Bobert. I've had something funny going on with my left ear all day, somewhat like your description. Maybe an infection? Best to get the doc to check it out if it doesn't go away soon.


10 Aug 07 - 11:45 AM (#2123125)
Subject: RE: BS: Headaches
From: Bobert

Docs is fir gunshot wounds and broken bones, Jen...

I try to stay away from them for anything else until I've given whatever it is a few days to pass...


11 Aug 07 - 11:07 AM (#2123689)
Subject: RE: BS: Headaches
From: Dave the Gnome

I omitted lots of the article, Ifor. That's what the link was for! :-)

Just joshing - It realy is a sensible point you make - we need lots of water. All the article is saying is that it does NOT all have to be plain water. As to water having no side effects. Just ask a drowning man:-) Again, on a more serious note - You can have too much water - honestly! See here. Like I said - don't overdo anything.

Cheers

Dave


11 Aug 07 - 11:31 AM (#2123701)
Subject: RE: BS: Headaches
From: bobad

How much water does one need?


12 Aug 07 - 06:46 AM (#2124139)
Subject: RE: BS: Headaches
From: autolycus

bobad, that's interesting, tho' it is false to say that Dr.Batmanghelidj obtained all his information from reading.

he tells a story of being in prison soon after returning from the UK as a trained doctor back to Iran.

Suddenly there's a man rolling around on the floor clutching his stomach. He demands of the doctor some treatment. Batman (!!) says he hasn't been allowed any medical supplies but gives the man two glasses of water. Within 20 minutes, the patient is back to normal.

dr.Batman also cured 1000s of people of peptic ulcers with water, an example of his saying lots of people aren't ill, just thirsty.


And that's my other criticism of the net article. They conclude one should be commonsensical about it. Trouble is, people often don't know or recognise the signs of thirst. Many snack when they're actually thirsty.

one place where I agree with the article is that the situation varies from person to person. W're all unique, too.

In our societies, we're not encouraged to listen to our body but to our thoughts.