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Subject: So thats seth lakeman is it
From: Andy Jackson
Date: 07 Mar 07 - 03:45 PM

Hmm??? Another pop artist who's lost his way.
And the proof is of course that poor deluded MH says it's brilliant fantastic and his favorite track. Oh and the CD has sold millions "not bad for a folk cd"
FOLK ??????? I don't think so!!!!


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Subject: RE: So thats seth lakeman is it
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 07 Mar 07 - 03:54 PM

Ooh the folk police will be after you boy bach!
Giok ¦¬]


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Subject: RE: So thats seth lakeman is it
From: melodeonboy
Date: 07 Mar 07 - 04:06 PM

I persevered for a minute or so and then I had to turn it off. Irritating in the extreme. Shame really; the song itself sounded quite interesting.

Cue: endless replies from Seth fans, who will no doubt say one or more of the following:

1. I begrudge him his success

2. He's the new voice of folk and therefore one should enjoy it

3. I'm a fuddy-duddy

4. He's popular and must therefore be good

5. He's turning a new generation on to folk music


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Subject: RE: So thats seth lakeman is it
From: treewind
Date: 07 Mar 07 - 05:01 PM

Not on your 'A' list for Miskin at Easter, then Andy?

We heard him at the club tent at Cambridge Folk festival last year and he sounded just like 1000 other wannabe folk stars.

Anahata


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Subject: RE: So thats seth lakeman is it
From: English Jon
Date: 07 Mar 07 - 05:07 PM

Well, he's not my cup of tea, but I have to applaud him for what he's doing - if it opens up "pop" audiences to the possibility that "folk" isn't all arran sweatered men with beards and fingers in ears then he's doing us all a favour.

Just don't ask me to listen to it! lol

Jon


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Subject: RE: So thats seth lakeman is it
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 07 Mar 07 - 05:21 PM

Geoff and Joy Lakeman used to be residents at Herga, and have made a great contribution to the Herga history page, about Sean dancing to the High Level Ranters at Herga before he was even born.... Seth may yet get back to his roots?

Kitty

PS I heard Chumbawumba tonight on the MH show singing "Hard times of old England".


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Subject: RE: So thats seth lakeman is it
From: GUEST,Wayne
Date: 07 Mar 07 - 05:54 PM

Each to his/her own! I reckon Seth Lakeman's music is fab! Hugely exciting, rhythmic, lyrically interesting and yes folkie. Lakophobes will think me a cloth-eared tosser but I don't care.

Now, Jim Moray, I would burn as a heretic!


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Subject: RE: So thats seth lakeman is it
From: Geordie-Peorgie
Date: 07 Mar 07 - 05:54 PM

Aah hev te say that he's not my cup of tea but neither is Jim Moray but they ARE takin' the folk 'thing' forward - even if it diz sound like a pop song.

Remember the furore when Dylan went electric? People calling him 'Traitor' - Aah wez at Newcastle City Haall on that tour and wondered what the hell the whinge was aboot!

There wez a whole 'thing' about Steeleye Span electrifying 'trad' folk but it raised an awareness for thoosands what might not hev gone doon that road.

Aah've seen Seth Lakemen a few times when aah've been stage managing a concert here and there and hev thought "Aah wadn't buy a ticket for this gig" - but that's my preference and taste.

Ye cannit deny the fact that he's got a talent AND a followin'.

Shurrup and lerrim hev his fifteen minutes of fame coz next year he'll be Jim Moray!


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Subject: RE: So thats seth lakeman is it
From: Folkiedave
Date: 07 Mar 07 - 07:13 PM

Lovely lad and would not hear a word said against him. I don't even like what he does on Freedom Fields, but that's his choice.

He has been brought up a folky, steeped in traditional music, don't see the problem.


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Subject: RE: So thats seth lakeman is it
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 08 Mar 07 - 03:32 AM

I found Mike Hardings favourite Seth track repetetive and irritating, I couldn't make out the words and had to turn it off after 30 seconds, for a nearly 30 something he comes accross as trying to be a teenybopper, on the other hand I thought the Chumbawamba song was brilliant.

eric


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Subject: RE: So thats seth lakeman is it
From: skipy
Date: 08 Mar 07 - 03:54 AM

Lakeman "the Marmite" of folk music!
Skipy


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Subject: RE: So thats seth lakeman is it
From: Scrump
Date: 08 Mar 07 - 04:08 AM

My 5p's worth: I like him, as I've said before many times in the "White Hare controversy" threads.

He puts on a good stage show (helped by his excellent band) and provides good entertainment. He's a talented lad and deserves the success he's got by working very hard. If some of the whingers who begrudge him his success worked half as hard as he does, they might get somewhere themselves. He hasn't been handed success on a plate like a lot of these crap pop stars, he's had to work to get where he is.

I may not like all his songs, but on the whole I think he does more good than harm - he brings the young people in, and helps them discover there's more to music than the crap they hear on Radio 1 or in the nightclubs.

(If anyone thinks I'm a hyprocrite - having written that song about that song - I reiterate that I have nothing against Seth or his song, just the fact that the Folk Awards organisers picked it as a traditional song when it plainly isn't.)


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Subject: RE: So thats seth lakeman is it
From: Sugwash
Date: 08 Mar 07 - 04:10 AM

Doesn't say much for the attention span of Mudcatters: a minute, 30 seconds.

It saddens me that Mudcat is becoming a forum for the airing of personal prejudice.


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Subject: RE: So thats seth lakeman is it
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 08 Mar 07 - 04:20 AM

I think you're confusing prejudices with tastes Sugwash. In common with one or two other contributors to this forum, I detect an air of, 'If you don't like what I like, you have no taste' in your post.
I have only heard one track by Mr Lakeman, and I didn't like it, but I do not presume to condemn his whole oeuvre on the basis of that. It is equally unfair to condemn a whole site on the basis of one or two contributions with which you disagree.
G.


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Subject: RE: So thats seth lakeman is it
From: The Sandman
Date: 08 Mar 07 - 04:27 AM

Sugwash,favorite singers are always a matter of subjectivity,there are several singers I dislike but that doesnt make them bad singers.
if someone doesnt like a performer it is not prejudice[prejudging]its
a matter of taste,if we all liked the same thing,life would be pretty dull.[but if his diction is bad then technically he is a bad singer]
There are people out there who dont like me and people that do.I dont lose any sleep over it,and im sure Seth Lakeman doesnt either,all the time people are talking about him its giving him publicity.
Iwould rather listen to Jeannie Robertson,or Sonny Boy Williamson Tony Rose, Nic jones ,or Carthy,Each to their own.


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Subject: RE: So thats seth lakeman is it
From: Scrump
Date: 08 Mar 07 - 04:44 AM

I'm quite happy if people here don't like a particular artist that I happen to like - we all have different tastes, as the Cap'n and others have said above.

I would hazard a guess that hardly anyone else likes all the artists or music that I like (given that I have wide tastes in music, not just folk, but pop, rock, jazz, country, classical, opera, and other genres). I like all the artists listed by the Cap'n above, and a lot more (as I'm sure he does too). But I'm not going to waste my time persuading people that "X is good" if they don't like "X".

On the other hand, I feel entitled to 'support' an artist in a discussion like this one, where there are some people making negative comments - I feel it's only fair to put the positive side if I can.

What I would say regarding Seth Lakeman, is don't judge him on just the White Hare. Bob Dylan has made some bum tracks in his time - if you heard one of those, and only that track, and then said "Dylan is rubbish" on that basis, I expect many people would jump to Dylan's defence and point to some of his superb output.

I suppose what I'm saying is - it's not fair to judge an artist on the basis of hearing just one track. Listen to the whole album and then say he's rubbish if you still think that :-)


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Subject: RE: So thats seth lakeman is it
From: Sugwash
Date: 08 Mar 07 - 04:49 AM

Prejudice: unreasoning opinion or dislike (OED). The only reasoning in the original post seems to be that Mike Harding likes it. To be truthful, Mike Harding likes every track he plays "I thinks that's simply smashing!", he's an enthusiast.

I don't believe I expressed an opinion on Seth in my post. Of course personal taste is subjective, but surely one should try to be objective in expressing opinions and not base them solely on unreasoning dislike.


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Subject: RE: So thats seth lakeman is it
From: McMullen
Date: 08 Mar 07 - 05:00 AM

well one things for sure , you eithr love him or hate him, and he stays so focal because theres such a divide, personally i find him extremely anoying in character (ive been told hes an arse) and his voice sounds (without predujice) extremely anoying, and his songs are designed for idiots with trendy haircuts just like him. im only 18 and in the folk world and my age group in folk seem to like him, i just find it all very brown nosing and bummy.

theres my crude two cents


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Subject: RE: So thats seth lakeman is it
From: McMullen
Date: 08 Mar 07 - 05:04 AM

also if any of you have music tv, the video of him playing his fiddle in a pouring shower making his t shirt and body all tight and sexy for teeny bopper girls makes me want to vomit and kill myself. i dislike his music just as much as i dislike rap or some other mashed out, regurgitated, un original nonsense.


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Subject: RE: So thats seth lakeman is it
From: McMullen
Date: 08 Mar 07 - 05:04 AM

give me an ugly shane mcagowan anyday.


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Subject: RE: So thats seth lakeman is it
From: Sugwash
Date: 08 Mar 07 - 05:17 AM

If only I had some Lakeman videos to send you.


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Subject: RE: So thats seth lakeman is it
From: Scrump
Date: 08 Mar 07 - 05:25 AM

I haven't watched any of his videos - they're not something that interest me, and from the description above it's probably just as well. But I wouldn't want to allow the videos to influence my opinion of him or his music.

ive been told hes an arse

Maybe so (although I'm not quite sure what you mean by that) but I found him just a fairly normal friendly guy and pleasant enough to talk to, like the great majority of folkies are in my experience.


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Subject: RE: So thats seth lakeman is it
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 08 Mar 07 - 05:28 AM

the chickens are coming home to roost.

The phoney 'tradition' was always just a way of excluding people from folk music. This is middle class turf - plebs keep off it!

They can hand out as many MBEs, and Mercury prizes, and folk performer of the decade awards as they like; cordon off the folk music radio programmes as no go areas for ordinary singer/songwriters; give out Arts Council subsidies and commissions and send the unlistenable off on cultural exchanges to places where they still have a culture.

the vast generality of people just ain't buying it.

As Winston Smith said, if there is any hope - it is with the proles (on tour at a folk club near you!)


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Subject: RE: So thats seth lakeman is it
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 08 Mar 07 - 05:34 AM

I know, it's only Rock and Prole, but I like it?
G.


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Subject: RE: So thats seth lakeman is it
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 08 Mar 07 - 05:46 AM

I brought my blog over for you from Myspace.

Some fabulous music whilst you curl up with your coffee... ;0)

Seth's Myspace 96, 000 viewings....and rising!


THIS is Seth Lakeman Andy!


>>>>Seth Lakeman in The Great Hall at Exeter University
Current mood: ecstatic
Category: Music


This is about Seth Lakeman's gig of December 14th 2006:

Even I was surprised! This was a queue the likes of which I've not seen in a very long time. It stretched and stretched, right around the Great Hall of Exeter University. We actually stood in the wrong one to begin with, only to find we were in the one where people were hoping to be able to get tickets..(ha!)

After a while though, we finally got in...going past the big 'Tour Bus' as we reached close to the door, and we remembered back to Seth's old white rusty van, that barely made it to some of his gigs.....and a warm smile passed over our faces....

And there it was, The Great Hall, within the University Campus. Filled! Everyone standing this time, which is the only way to experience a Seth Lakeman gig, because it's impossible to keep still with those rhythms.

The whistles and yelling started before Seth even stepped onto the stage...before the lights had even gone down....but then...go down they did...and the shouting increased...

Out came Sean, Ben and Alison (apologies if I've Alison's name wrong there...didn't quite catch it)....and then..out came Seth. The same old Seth. Black T shirt and jeans, slightly bemused at the reception that was all around him. His crowd just went completely out of their minds with happiness!

On came the red lights and out came 'The Riflemen of War'....The pounding beats reverberating around that hall and right through Seth's crowd! Seth's tenor guitar found it's way over to Sean's....Boom! went Ben on his double bass and Alison, who was standing in for Cormac, brought the beat out even further...We all swayed to the rhythms......Up went the cameras, everyone seemingly want to record as much of the show as they could. The wonderful 'Blood Upon Copper' and Ben's banjo now sang strongly with Seth's fiddle!

When the 'Lady of the Sea' sailed out...Oh Boy...you could have heard the roar of approval down in Plymouth! I looked around at this mainly young audience...some older people too though...and children...and I was astounded at how many people were singing along with Seth...All these young people in Devon singing songs about their heritage, at long last..

The lights turned blue, then green, scanning us, scanning the band....then going behind them....the waves started to appear behind them on the curtains...as the lights became the sea and The Lady started her voyage of doom, surrounded by mermaids...waiting to take the dead to their watery graves.

The White Hare bounded over from Bodmin Moor, and people turned away, scared to look her in the eye, for fear of their souls being taken away to God knows where, as she bewitched them with her charms, for after all, Seth's people are Devon people, they know of the dangers that lie out on the moors.....The Colliers came next and again, so many young people dancing to and singing about The Gresford Mining Disaster.

http://riseuplikethesun.tripod.com/id17.html

I thought about what Steve Knightley (from Show of Hands) had said earlier in his set, about last year, when he'd been to see Seth playing here as a support to The Levellers and now..here Seth was, filling The Great Hall all on his own!

And I thought back further, about six months prior to that when we'd seen Seth at The Cygnet Theatre, about 100 seats, half filled...and the red light they had on the stage that day was one that Sean and Seth had picked up in the local Oxfam shop earlier in the day, a heat lamp....but it was all they could afford and it did the job....Then I looked back at the stack of beautiful coloured spotlights that now surrounded them....and I smiled! I went back even further....to a few years ago at Abbotsbury, to SoH own festival...to the time I first saw Seth Lakeman...and I knew then that he was going to be a star....that he had something 'special'....

I described him then as being 'like a firework'...and he still reminded me of that last night, fizzing and sparkling. The speed he plays at is incredible. But now...now I'd also add the word 'scorching' to Seth's music!

The band went offstage and the lights went down further...and there he stood, this young lad who has caused such discussion on this board and others..this young lad who is bringing young people in by the thousand now....The crowd knew what was coming, and the excitement was palpable!

Out came the fiddle...and out came Kitty Jay!

www.legendarydartmoo...

Over from Manaton Cross she flew, leaving her grave for one more time, to stand beside Seth...to stand beside the man who has brought her back to life, who has finally told her story and somehow given her soul some peace....and Seth's bow was shredded before he even started to sing...The crowd stood mesmerised...I looked around at their faces...they were fixed upon him, hypnotised...by both Kitty and Seth!

His shredded bow now looked like Kitty's hair...against the dark background...Kitty's hair floating all around him.....People were barely breathing!! Everyone had stopped dancing...a silence had came over us all....Seth played and played, faster and faster...until you felt that he'd disappear in a plume of smoke...and then suddenly he just STOPPED!!

And that was when the cheers could be heard up in John O'Groats! The applause reached the same place as Seth's fiddle playing.....beyond boundaries!

Of course, he HAD to come back to play an encore...and indeed he could have played two or three or more, if they'd let him. But throughout it all, he was the same polite, reserved young man he's always been.

I left that hall knowing once more that I'd seen something quite extraordinary...but this time I left it knowing that hundreds and hundreds of young people knew EXACTLY the same thing!

And I remembered a comment I'd heard at the beginning from someone outside "Gosh, I thought we'd just be able to walk straight in!".....

No...probably never again either...Seth Lakeman's Star has finally arrrived. This man is not just a star, he will be far beyond that....

The folk world should be so proud of him...and rejoice in the fact that at a Seth Lakeman concert the sea of heads is not OLY grey, but brown, black, blonde, red, highlighted, funky, modern and very young!

Absolute Magic!<<<<


Lizzie :0)


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Subject: RE: So thats seth lakeman is it
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 08 Mar 07 - 05:51 AM

Oh...and I need to add here...that at that same gig, Steve Knightley performed solo. I wasn't sure how the young crowd would take to Steve..but they went WILD! And...when he sang 'Country Life' and 'Roots' the applause, screams and whoops could have been heard down in Land's End....

Show of Hands and Seth Lakeman are setting much more than The West Country on fire...but first and foremost, they are giving The West Country BACK it's roots and it's pride!

Be negative by all means if that's what turns you on...and obviously there are many people who won't like their music...but never forget that there are thousand upon thousand who do....and that number is growing on an almost daily basis for both Seth and Show of Hands...whether some of you may like it or not....

Lizzie :0)


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Subject: RE: So thats seth lakeman is it
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 08 Mar 07 - 06:01 AM

Here she comes, taking over another thread with her Pollyanna postings.
G.


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Subject: RE: So thats seth lakeman is it
From: Scrump
Date: 08 Mar 07 - 06:04 AM

In my opinion Adge Cutler and The Wurzels, Shag Connors & The Carrot Crunchers, and Cyril Tawney preceded Messrs Lakeman and Knightley (good as the are) in giving back the West Country its roots and its pride. The Lakemans (or should that be Lakemen?) and SOH are simply continuing the tradition - good luck to them.


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Subject: RE: So thats seth lakeman is it
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 08 Mar 07 - 06:12 AM

>>>Here she comes, taking over another thread with her Pollyanna postings.
G. <<<<<

Oh sorry....

"Seth Lakeman's dreadful...He should be banned from singing...He's just a boy band look-a-like....He's not folk music...Neither are his brothers....or Cara Dillon...or Kathryn Roberts...They signed for Warner Brothers..we can't forgive them that...and now he's with EMI...he's a very bad boy...and we true 'folkies' don't like him....but we will book him for our festivials...because then...we can make lots of luvverly money out of him...but no..we....don't like Seth or his music...or his family...or the west country..or show of hands...or anyone who likes them...we like US...and only US...that's why we stay in small groups and hang out in strange places called folk clubs..where no-one over the age of 40 will ever find us...moan moan...moan..."

There you go MacKenzie! All better now! :0)


PS...FREEDOM FIELDS is a SENSATIONAL CD to take to the gym with you...because of Seth's pounding rhythms...Heck that Cormac Byrne is fanatastic at drumming!

PPS...Oh..Woops! Sorry.....

"Freedom Fields is a naff CD...and Seth's videos are naff too...as are his songs...his looks...his voice...and his personality....."

There we are.. :0)

And I like Cyril Tawney's song too Scrump!


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Subject: RE: So thats seth lakeman is it
From: Scrump
Date: 08 Mar 07 - 06:24 AM

That song would be Sally Free And Easy, I guess, Lizzie? :-)


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Subject: RE: So thats seth lakeman is it
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 08 Mar 07 - 06:34 AM

"Here she comes, taking over another thread with her Pollyanna postings.
G."



Where did I criticise Seth Lakeman in that post ?

"Just because they're no actually getting at YOU, it doesn't mean you can't feel paranoid"


G


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Subject: RE: So thats seth lakeman is it
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 08 Mar 07 - 06:35 AM

Lizzie, why use one word when a thousand will do, please please learn brevity, brevity is the soul of wit.

eric


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Subject: RE: So thats seth lakeman is it
From: Sugwash
Date: 08 Mar 07 - 06:35 AM

Point of order, Cyril was from Gosport in Hampshire which is stretching the west country thing a bit. Of course he did more than most for folk music in the west country and was one of the most encouraging men I ever met, a great musician and a fellow ex-submariner.

I would guess that he was as revolutionary as Seth when he first began singing, at least in an English context.


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Subject: RE: So thats seth lakeman is it
From: Wyrd Sister
Date: 08 Mar 07 - 07:24 AM

"video of him playing his fiddle in a pouring shower"???   How can he DO that to a fiddle??


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Subject: RE: So thats seth lakeman is it
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 08 Mar 07 - 07:29 AM

That was my first thought too WS ¦¬]
G


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Subject: RE: So thats seth lakeman is it
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 08 Mar 07 - 07:50 AM

Maybe that was the point at which he reputedly damaged the family fiddle beyonfd repair...or so another young folkie was telling me recently.


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Subject: RE: So thats seth lakeman is it
From: Folkiedave
Date: 08 Mar 07 - 07:51 AM

Clearly not an electric fiddle!!

I was a Lakeman brothers fan way back when Sean was at University and Seth was still at school.

All the people who have known him as an artist think both he and his band "are lovely". One of those people is my daughter who has spent the past few years in artist liaison at major festivals and is now a full time professional festival organiser. And she isn't a teeny bopper.

I am with Scrump on this one. My argument against the White Hare was that it was not a traditional song. That's all.


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Subject: RE: So thats seth lakeman is it
From: The Sandman
Date: 08 Mar 07 - 07:53 AM

Cyril was born in Gosport,.
I believe, when he was a submariner he was based in plymouth, devon.
Brenda Wooton,was from Cornwall and popularised a lot of Cornish songs,Tony Rose was from Dorset,and was a tremendous singer who popularised a lot of west country songs,as of course did the Yetties.
Cyril was not revolutionary, neither is Seth.
If you want revolutionary music, investigate Leon Rosselson.


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Subject: RE: So thats seth lakeman is it
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 08 Mar 07 - 07:54 AM

"My argument against the White Hare was that it was not a traditional song. That's all."

...and that that doesn't make it A BAD SONG. Or place ANY value judgement on it whatsoever. It just means it should not have been nominated for a particular award.


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Subject: RE: So thats seth lakeman is it
From: Scrump
Date: 08 Mar 07 - 07:58 AM

Point of order, Cyril was from Gosport in Hampshire which is stretching the west country thing a bit. Of course he did more than most for folk music in the west country and was one of the most encouraging men I ever met, a great musician and a fellow ex-submariner.

You're right, Sugwash. I mentioned him because he did a lot for west country folk as you say (in particular the Plymouth/Devonport area).

Although most people don't regard Hants as part of the west country, I always thought it was spiritually so. I spent some years growing up in the county as a lad and the accents there in those days were very much what most people associate with those counties further west. You wouldn't know it today though - like a lot of other counties, the local accent seems to have all but disappeared except among older folk.


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Subject: RE: So thats seth lakeman is it
From: Scrump
Date: 08 Mar 07 - 08:04 AM

Yes, Cap'n, I could have included Brenda, Tony and the Yetties as having participated in "giving back the West Country its roots and its pride" along with the others I mentioned. I'd like to add Trevor Crozier too - and before anyone objects, I know he was born in Hants too (see my comments on Cyril Tawney above). But he did a lot for west country music too.

Ruth - agreed 100%!


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Subject: RE: So thats seth lakeman is it
From: dj bass
Date: 08 Mar 07 - 08:33 AM

My 5p worth is the same as Scrump's 5p worth (04:08am above)with the addition that sometimes I think he sounds a bit like a sheep. Maybe he learned that on Dartmoor!

I suppose that's 6p worth.

dj


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Subject: RE: So thats seth lakeman is it
From: Sugwash
Date: 08 Mar 07 - 09:07 AM

Of course Cap'n Birdseye, you old tease, I used revolutionary in its first sense, involving great change, not its second, leftish pinko agitator. Not that I'm suggesting the Leon Rosselson is leftish, pink or, indeed, an agitator.

CPO Tawney was on a submarine in the First Submarine Sqaudron (SM1) based in his home town of Gosport, Hants.


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Subject: RE: So thats seth lakeman is it
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Mar 07 - 09:39 AM

I think he's OK. I'd rather hear his music on the popular radio than some of the other 'pop' stuff. Mind you, in a straight contest between Mr L and Kaiser Chiefs he would be a poor second (and third and fourth...) to the Angry Mob.

If it came to WATCHING pop stuff however give me Kylie M or Gwen Stefani any time:-)

Dave


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Subject: RE: So thats seth lakeman is it
From: Scrump
Date: 08 Mar 07 - 10:43 AM

Yes, I'd rather watch Kylie or Gwen - or both, for that matter - fiddling in the shower than Seth :-)

...ahem! I'll get me coat.


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Subject: RE: So thats seth lakeman is it
From: greg stephens
Date: 08 Mar 07 - 10:55 AM

Well, I went to see young |Seth for the first time the other day, at the Sugar Mill in Stoke(apart from a brief view of Equation many years ago).
Firstly, he's amazingly good at playing the fiddle fast while singing something different. I would rate him alongside Kate Barfield for singing while oplaying the fiddle.
Secondly, he's always talked about as being a west country boy from darmoor. Is this true? Now, I don't know that much about Dartmoor, I'm from Exmoor and we didn't go south much. But is that really how they talk on Dartmoor these days? If so, it's changed.
    Thirdly, there were admittedly an awful lot of middle-aged men in beards at the gig, even though the venue is a full-on music place, Pete Dhorty gigs and your boots sticking to the floor. But, notably, there were a lot of young people there too. Perhaps not proper young, but Seth's sort of age.
    Fourthly, his fiddle style. Someone earlier in this thread referred to him being steeped in trad music. The thing thast struck me was the reverse: his fiddle style seemed to me totally classical. And, unusually among folky fiddle players, he never included any trad tunes(or bits that sounded like trad tunes).
    Fifthly someone earlier in this thread(weelittledrummer) seemed to imply that Seth Lakeman was a working class phenomenon, disliked by the middle-class folkies. Well, I would make a shrewd guess that the lad's parents are not dustmen, miners or farm labourer,
judging by the way he talks, stands, and writes.
    Sixthly, he's a bloody good showman. The breraking bow hairs on the hot fiddle number, with special lighting to catch the flying hairs and rosin dust was great.
    Seventhly, he's got twon nice tenor ghuitars.
    Eightly, good luck to the lad, I wish him every success.
    Ninthly: of course White Hare wasn't a trad song. John Leonard is off his trolley if he thinks it is.
   Tenthly: all publicity is good publicity. he does well.


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Subject: RE: So thats seth lakeman is it
From: Scrump
Date: 08 Mar 07 - 11:05 AM

A good summing up greg! I agree with nearly all you say.

On the point about his fiddle style, I thought it sounded classical too, although I'm not an expert. I think he comes from a musical background though, as far as his parentage is concerned (I believe his parents are folk musicians but I forget the details). I also doubt his parents are miners, but what 'class' they are I don't know.


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Subject: RE: So thats seth lakeman is it
From: Andy Jackson
Date: 08 Mar 07 - 11:08 AM

Hmm I rattled a few cages there then!
It just happened that that was the first time I had ever heard anything from Mr Lakeman. (Mike H. show, Wed 7th)
I had followed the threads about the White Hare nonsense, but I am capable of making up my own mind about what I like.
I did NOT like my first experience of Seth. And that track did not come into my brief of folk music.
So far I haven't liked 100% of what I have heard from him. (which shows how daft statistics are!)

My ears are still open, and I don't wear blinkers or hold prejudice of any sort. We shall see.

Andy


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Subject: RE: So thats seth lakeman is it
From: Morris-ey
Date: 08 Mar 07 - 11:35 AM

>>From: McMullen - PM
Date: 08 Mar 07 - 05:04 AM

give me an ugly shane mcagowan anyday.<<

Is there a handsome one?


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Subject: RE: So thats seth lakeman is it
From: Scrump
Date: 08 Mar 07 - 11:39 AM

Well his mum thinks he is :-)


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