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Subject: Show of Hands
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 28 Feb 07 - 08:57 AM

The video's out! Yup...now you can watch 'Roots' whilst listening to it on your CD at the same time...and catch glimpses of Eden too, in more ways than one....splutter! ;0) (That's a joke Moaning Minnies...just a joke..before you all fall over sideways like Mrs. Doyle!) ;0)

All together now....

"Now it's been twenty five years or more....I've roamed this land from shore to shore..." (taken from 'Roots' by Steve Knightley)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5h4PFBuzvw


And by the way...'Roots' should have won the Best Original Song without a shadow of a doubt!!!!

At Abbotsbury I saw Karine singing that song, and it's very lovely don't get me wrong...but it merely got a polite round of applause at the end. When Show of Hands, Spiers & Boden and Simon Emmerson performed 'Roots' one thousand people stood up as one...and they cheered as I have NEVER heard Show of Hands fan cheer before!!!

But...NOTHING surprises me about the Folk Awards...or John Leonard...or The BBC....

It was very wrong, in my opinion, to overlook such an incredibly passionate song, which as such an inspirational effect on so many people who hear it...


"Haul away boys, let them go, out in the wind and the rain and snow, We've lost more than we'll ever know round the rocky shores of England"


Lizzie :0)


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 28 Feb 07 - 09:00 AM

Sorry...should clarify...Karine sang her song 'Daisy' at Abbotsbury, which was the song that won.

...and that should read 'fanS' above and er...not 'fan'...after Show of Hands, as there is/are far more than one of us...Giggle! ;0)


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 28 Feb 07 - 09:12 AM

Lizzie please do us and yourself a big favour. We have heard of SoH, we know what song won the Folk Award, we have already discussed John Leonard's foibles on here. We also know where to find U Tube.
Do us the favour of checking to see if anyone else has posted the same information here already. Your girlish enthusiasm is all very well albeit a bit long lasting, but please don't assume that others share your fads and fancies, and please don't proselytise on here, you are preaching to the converted.
Your tendency to swamp boards with unnecessary and over flowery information of a personal kind may just be the reason why you were banned from other sites. Please don't abuse the openness of Mudcat to flaunt your fey fancies.
Giok


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: Scrump
Date: 28 Feb 07 - 10:17 AM

Thanks Lizzie, but I think we've had these discussions before. I'm a fan of SOH myself, but your attempts to 'convert' the non-believers here are, I'm afraid, doomed to failure, and will probably have the opposite effect to the one you seek to achieve.

Best to just enjoy the music and don't worry about the others here. (If you haven't already, maybe you should consider joining the SOH fan group Longdogs, where you will find lots of like-minded people who will be happy to discuss SOH and their music all day.)


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: GUEST,Devil's Advocate
Date: 28 Feb 07 - 01:34 PM

"your attempts to 'convert' the non-believers here are, I'm afraid, doomed to failure, and will probably have the opposite effect to the one you seek to achieve."

Scrump - it's not as if she hasn't been told that over and over and over again on more than one board! It seems that nobody can actually convince her that there is truth in what many people have told her more than once. It just has to be seen by her as a vendetta ... and you have no doubt now joined the ranks of the Moaning Minnies like many others of us!!!


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: GUEST,Liam
Date: 28 Feb 07 - 02:18 PM

Almost nine thousand views for "Roots" just on YouTube. That is impressive for something that has only been up less than a month.

That is three times as many people as have viewed even the most popular of the Bellowhead clips and one third more than have looked at Karine Polwart's highest scoring video. Says something about how much interest the song is generating in the world at large, if not in the closed world of the folk awards.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 28 Feb 07 - 02:23 PM

Were those viewing it all folkies, or were there other motives at work?
G.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 28 Feb 07 - 02:24 PM

I'm not trying to convert anyone...I just posted a link about a folk band on a folk board....I think I'm allowed to do that...

:0)

Great news about those viewing figures though! Wow! nearly 9,000!

YES! :0)


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: GUEST,The Devonian
Date: 28 Feb 07 - 03:11 PM

... and exchanges on these boards have been so interesting without Lizzie.

Back to Sidders gal.

Keep an eye on that wreck off the coast while the rest of us get on with debating life, the universe and Show of Hands.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 03:52 AM

The cornish binge poster strikes again, aaarrgh

eric


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 04:21 AM

I suspect her motives are jingoistic rather than ethnomusical!

G.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: woodsie
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 04:42 AM

Why are you lot so hostile to this person?
So what if a thread has been posted before on the same subject - you don't have to read what you don't want to read.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: Scrump
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 05:11 AM

Firstly, as I said in my posting above, I am a fan of Show of Hands myself, having seen them live several times last year and earlier this year (the last time just over a week ago). So I don't consider myself one of the 'Moaning Minnies' referred to above - I think this refers to the people who don't like SOH and/or Roots, and I'm not in that category.

But I was trying to persuade Lizzie Cornish that her trying to persuade people here on this forum that SOH and Roots are brilliant, is a waste of effort. Worse than that, I believe it is counter-productive, because she has tried before many times and alienated certain members of this forum, to the extent that she has turned them against SOH and Roots.

As an SOH fan myself, I don't want this to continue, so I was trying to persuade her to stop posting on the subject, as I believe it does SOH more harm than good.

Roots didn't win the Folk Award for best original song, whether Lizzie or anyone else likes it or not. SOH have moved on, and I think we should too. And slagging off Karine Polwart (I'm a a fan of hers too - and why not? she writes some superb songs) is not the way to persuade people how good SOH are. There's room for them all.

Of course it is entirely up to Lizzie if she wishes to persist in this line, but I hope she will consider my advice. Lizzie, if you want to discuss it with me via PM please feel free to contact me.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 05:12 AM

. . . wasted our time, our energy and done in our collective heads.
But it stops now, right?


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: Jack Campin
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 05:16 AM

Try clicking on Lizzie's name to bring up the list of her postings and read them. You'll soon get the point.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 07:30 AM

Mornin' Guys! :0)

Now listen you lot....stop getting your knickers in such a twist else your eyes will start to cross!

The Moaning Minnies are those who moan. 'Tis perfectly simple. They moan..er...irrationally about Show of Hands, Seth Lakeman et al...and at me...

I've heard that the NHS has been plagued in recent weeks by a sudden surge of Moaning Minnieitis, as I'd 'disappeared' and they had no-one to vent their spleen over. So, in order to save the NHS some money, so that they can have yet another billion pound computer system installed...I decided to come back and thus relieve the various Moaning Minnie Pustules that have been forming in various places around the country... ;0)

I merely posted the details about Show of Hands superb new video...because I llllllllllllove it!! :0) Knowing how many people read Mudcat who ARE NOT Moaning Minnies...I thought they may enjoy seeing it.

A very cheerful Good Morning to them all as well! :0) xxx

Those who love Show of Hands are free to love them, those who don't are also free. You regard it as OK for you to have your say, vitriolic though it may be...(in my ever so 'umble opinion of course).....but I too am also free to write what I want...

If you don't like Show of Hands it's probably best not to come into a thread entitled er..'Show of Hands'... chuckle! ;0)

Be fair...I'm open and honest. I could have started a thread entitled '100 great things about Cecil Sharp' and you'd have all leapt in here, excited and over the moon only to find........'Roots' The Video....

'Scus me whilst I roll over on the floor spluttering wildly for a moment.......


:0) :0) :0) :0) :0) :0) :0) :0) :0) :0) :0) :0) :0) :0) :0) :0)

Oh..that's better... :0)

Now..where was I?

Oh yes...Show of Hands! Do you know that it's nearly time for their Royal Albert Hall gig! Oh...I am SO looking forward to that. We're going up on a coach with some of The Longdogs, it's going to be such great fun! AND...the lady from Exeter Museum is going too! I know! Isn't that amazing! I went in there the other day, with the kids and we went and had a pootle round the shop...and guess what music was playing in there? Go on...GUESS? :0)

YAY!!! Show of Hands....Their 'Country Life' CD was fair belting out...and...it got even better...because I ran over to the till, grinned widely from ear to ear...told the lady and her daughter how lovely it was to hear their music and then I noticed that the counter was covered with all their other CDs too! :0) :0) :0)

See...you can learn SO MUCH in a Museum! ;0)

Right...'tis time to go down and steal some more biscuits from The Napoli now...Do you know a man was arrested for stealing an orange at Branscombe the other day! SHEESH!! 1984 is here guys...several decades late..but...it's here...

"Haul Away Boys!"

http://show-of-hands.tripod.com/index.html


Lizzie :0)


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: GUEST,Liam
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 08:10 AM

I suspect that Show of Hands may find Lizzie's continued over-enthusiasm for Roots somewhat less disturbing than the political associations of some of their new supporters. Someone has posted a link to www.justiceforengland.com on their official message board. The aspirations of justiceforengland look rather innocent until you see that its website in turn is linked to the likes of The Freedom Association, who when I last checked used to be run by people who thought Margaret Thatcher was a bit too wet for their tastes.

There is however some light comedy there too. There is also a link on justiceforengland to a site called "We Are The English", complete with a picture of Winston Churchill. I don't think anyone has told "We Are The English" that Winnie was only half-English and that his other half was just a bit American. They are going to be just so disappointed when the penny finally drops. On the other hand, they've only had a century and a bit to find that out so perhaps they never will. Funnily enough, the minor stumbling block of his transatlantic parentage aside, I thought Winston won the BBC poll for "Greatest Ever Briton" not "Greatest Ever Englishperson", so I'm not quite sure why "We The English" have cyber-napped him.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: GUEST,Philippa
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 10:34 AM

have they got a song about a "Longdog" (sighthound)? what are the lyrics?


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: Scrump
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 10:42 AM

Yes, the song is called (strangely enough) "Longdog" and it was on their album Dark Fields.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 11:08 AM

Here you go Phillipa, you can listen to the whole song here....although the quality isn't brilliant I'm afraid....

Show Of Hands Songs

And if anyone is 'out there' from the Show of Hands site...Any chance of those songs having better sound quality? Also the link is wrong in that it has an 's' after the 'http' part, which won't work if people copy it and send it on....I worked that out and always remove it first. ;0)

Oh and Scrump...well I'd love to be a Longdog again, but sadly one of the Moaning Minnies, the chief one actually, who started all the BBC bad feeling off, followed me in there and caused havoc. I left because I didn't want that site damaged by the kind of unpleasantness you see all around me on here and the BBC. It wasn't fair to everyone.

I said that I would go back eventually, after lying low for a while. However, I also said I'd go back under another name...but the more I thought about this, the dafter it got. I'm hopeless at writing as someone else, and would have been dead easy to spot. I also was very miffed at having to 'hide' from this deeply unpleasant person...and so...I went back under my name and was then put into pre-mod for doing that.

I won't write anywhere under pre-mod anymore as it reeks of control freaks I'm afraid. And the man who runs Longdogs was, in my opinion, out of order for behaving like that. But, it's his site so there you go. I've never written in Longdogs since and never will do again. And although I'm in there now as 'Manitoba' I never visit that site any longer. I merely enrolled under that name as there was someone I was trying to locate in Longdogs once.

And that is one more reason why some of the Moaning Minnies sicken me.
Because their constant bullying follows me.

Why? I've no idea.

All I know is that Longdogs was a great place to be, full of fun and there was a lovely group of people there who all hit it off wonderfully with each other. That's now gone. 'Whacko's Corner' where we all used to frolick around having fun and 'live chatting' is barely touched these days. At it's height it had over 26,000 viewings I believe, I could be wrong there, but I don't think I am...The Milometer on Whacko's has now been turned back by the way.

I also removed nearly all of my posts, as I felt 'under attack' from that particular Moaning Minnie at the time...which is why there are so many closed 'edited' posts from me in there.

A great shame and so deeply unnecessary too.

It was the same person who then carried on her campaign on the BBC board and created havoc and distrust over there too...And as far as Show of Hands go..well...you know that story. As Diane and her 'accomplice' (who shall remain nameless these days) poured scorn over Show of Hands and their music, I wrote more and more in their favour. It really became 'The Battle Of Show Of Hands' on the BBC board. That battle is now over...but I and others, are still free to discuss Show of Hands, as we would discuss any other band or musician.
This thread was merely about their new video...not a big thing in the Wheel of Life really is it...yet look at the reaction to such a simple thing.

Show of Hands Suppression? You bet! But it never works...and far from putting people off, quite a few people have come over to my Myspace page now, to tell me that they've been to see Show of Hands BECAUSE of all the controversy that took place on that board...and that can only be a good thing.

Whether they like them or not doesn't worry me, they're free to make their own decisions, and like whomsoever they please, but at least they have made the effort to go along and see for themselves.

Anyway...I very much hope that you enjoy 'Longdog' Phillipa :0)

Apologies for rambling...it goes with my brain pattern I'm afraid! :0)


Lizzie :0)


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 11:56 AM

Liam,

I guess they will be the same folks who in the early 90s took up Elton John's rousing "I was made in England" as their anthem - until they found out what it was about.

I pay no attention to the warped thinking and posturing of the politically extreme, ever since I discovered that my "Emptyhanded" was favoured by a white supremacist bunch in the States. Hell, they had the lyrics, they could read - their problem, not mine.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 12:01 PM

My accomplice?
No, I ride alone and speak only for myself.
Y'see, with LC it's ALWAYS somebody else's fault, even if she has to invent a scapegoat. Never hers. Oh no.

The only thing I don't like about SoH is . . . Show of Hands, and especially Roots which is crap musically and is, lyrically, socially divisive to the point of racism.
What really irritates me is that they could clearly be so much better but can't be arsed. Presumably because they don't need to.
They can make a living by not bothering that much.
I deplore that.

Phil Beer is a fine musician and I rather liked Alianza.
Same story with the Lakeperson, sadly now wrongly tarred and discredited as a result of the Smoothies' incompetence.
The Lakeperson Boy Band was quite good, once.
Then it went downhill because the Bros decided they wanted to be pop singers.
Nowt wrong with that but it doesn't interest me that much.
And a small proportion of the yoof LC seems so keen to cultivate is being fed the notion that this is trad music. It isn't.
We all know who these people are and did so long before LC came along and imagined she has 'discovered' them.
It's all so tedious, the musicians are embarrassed, everyone else is bored and it has to STOP.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: GUEST,Canadienne
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 12:02 PM

Well perhaps assuming they could read was a little presumptuous George :)


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 12:04 PM

. . . and I've never been anywhere near Longdogs,
Bimey, whyever would I?


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 12:09 PM

LOL Canadienne!


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 12:13 PM

I didn't 'discover' Show of Hands..they'd been around for a decade or more before I merely 'discovered' I loved their music via Sidmouth, as well you know.

And WHO ARE YOU, said in my best Alice in Wonderland Caterpillar voice to decide who people should know about and who they shouldn't?

Were you there when Bob plugged in? Did you rant and rage at him in the 60's and yell 'Judas'...and did you scream at Fairport too when they first started to perform Liege & Lief? It wouldn't surprise me...it's exactly the same thing.

I am so fed up of your patronizing "I AM the Folk World" attitude Diane...and that of your pals too....

I suggest you take it to a place where the shade is shadin' all day long. :0)

Oh and about your statement concerning musicians being embarrassed, I've had quite a few lovely messages from musicians over on Myspace, who are anything BUT embarrassed. Sorry to disappoint you Sweetums...

Thank yoooooo


Lizzie


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 12:15 PM

>>> . . and I've never been anywhere near Longdogs,
Bimey, whyever would I? <<<<



Sigh! I wasn't talking about Yooooooooo!

I was talking about McFairy....


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 12:19 PM

Spent alovely evening with a young band who were playing at my club last night,

Over dinner, the name of LC came up.
Talk about seeing the whites of their eyes, not to mention the groans.

They are just so pleased that they haven't popped into her eyesight yet.

But, it's probably only a matter of time.

They will be keeping their heads down.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 12:21 PM

Bread Pudding

225g (8oz) Stale Bread
110g (4oz) Currants, Raisins or Sultanas
50g (2oz) Brown Sugar
50g (2oz) Butter
tsp Mixed Spice
1 Egg
Milk

Pre-heat oven to 170C: 325F: Gas 3
Break bread into small pieces; soak in cold water at least 1 hour
Strain and squeeze out as dry as possible.
Place into a basin and mash with a fork.
Add the dried fruit, sugar, mixed peel and mixed spice, mixing well.
Add the egg and enough milk to enable the mixture to drop easily from a spoon.
Place into a greased baking tin.
Bake for about an hour or until slightly firm to the touch.
When done turn out on to a hot dish.
Turn out dredge with sugar and serve hot with custard, or allow to cool.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 12:22 PM

did you scream at Fairport too when they first started to perform Liege & Lief?

Of course not, why would I when I'd helped them out in a small way in the C# library when they were researching the music.
Mind you, I did scream at the Beatles some five years earlier . . .


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 12:25 PM

>>>>Same story with the Lakeperson, sadly now wrongly tarred and discredited as a result of the Smoothies' incompetence.<<<<<<


PAH! That's rich coming from someone who went out of their way on the old BBC board and the new one to discredit Seth Lakeman at every turn!

SHEESH! HOW do you sleep nights?

And you just have to be related to this chappie...without a doubt!

Liars R Us

;0)


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 12:34 PM

Limpet Pie
Pastai Brenig

Limpets
Shortcrust Pastry
110g (4oz) Streaky Bacon
2 Hard Boiled Eggs
1 Onion
Milk or Egg (Optional)

Cook the limpets until just tender.
Cut the bacon into cubes and fry lightly.
Peel and thinly slice the onions.
Pre-heat oven to 180C: 350F: Gas 4.
Line a pie dish with thinly rolled short crust pastry.
Fill dish with alternate layers of limpets, bacon, sliced egg and onion.
Cover with a pastry lid, brush with milk or beaten egg.
Bake for 30 minutes.
Reduce the heat to low and cook for a further 30 minutes.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 12:35 PM

Very little 'pops into my eyesight' Guest Guest...(Strange sense of deja vu with your name there)


I have the most terrible vision...but luckily God invented someone who invented contact lenses...but you know what happens when my contact lenses are out...my ears take over! :0)

Yup!

That's why I knew that Seth was a star the moment I heard him...

I'll tell you a young band to look out for too..you may like them at your club...

LOMAN

They went down a storm at Sidmouth last year....

I've got so many names I could give you too...I did actually start a thread on the BBC about Young Folkies, but er...the BBC closed it down, took the title and main post away...

That's what the BBC do these day...Actively do NOT support musicians any more. They've just removed an entirely harmless thread on Ashley Hutchings e petition that someone started up to get him knighted for his services to folk music and dance, for no other reason that I started it...as 'Shesoeverthere'....some prat obviously went running to teacher screeching "Miss Miss...she's back!"

They'll now remove harmless and supportive posts on The Rainbow Chasers and Bollin Morris as well....but spite far outweighs support over there amongst the BBC staff and some posters and people in the folk world...

A very great shame, because the folk world that I know has nothing to do with the attitude that's on this thread and over at the BBC. The BBC should hang their heads in shame at how they're behaving...

Ho hum....

I think I'll be 'Shesbehindyou' next.... ;0)


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 12:37 PM

Look MacKenzie...'Tis no good you trying to impress me with your Culinary skills my deario....for I am promised to another....

Good try though! ;0)

I prefer the Bread Pudding to the Limpets though...they kind of remind me of The Moaning Minnies...

!!!! OOOH! Do you have any recipes for Moaning Minnie Pie at all...I know exactly where to find the ingredients for that! ;0)

Mind you...it would give you awful indigestion...Chuckle!


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: GUEST,Canadienne
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 12:38 PM

do you have a grouse Lizzie? well then here ya go -

2 Grouse, trussed
285ml ( pint) Chicken Stock
125g (4oz) Mushrooms
2 Carrots
1 Celery Stalk
1 Onion
75g (3oz) Butter
2 tbsp Whisky
1 tbsp Redcurrant Jelly

Pre-heat oven to 180C: 350F: Gas 4.
Chop the onions and mushrooms, dice the carrot and celery.
Season the grouse well with salt and pepper.
Heat the butter in a flameproof casserole and brown the grouse on all sides.
Remove the grouse and reserve.
Add the vegetables to the casserole and cook over a low heat until tender but not browned.
Return the grouse, add the whisky, flame it - allow the flames to disappear.
Add the stock and roast, covered, for 1 hours.
When cooked remove and use poultry shears to cut the grouse in half, place on a serving dish, keep warm.
Strain the sauce into a small saucepan, boil until it thickens, add the redcurrant jelly.
Spoon sauce over before serving.

hope that helps - nothing else seems to


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 12:54 PM

I have a Grouch....is that any good? I could have it for pudding, to follow the Moaning Minnie Pie.. ;0)

OoooH Nooooo! I was doing OK until I had to cut the Grouch up with Grouch Scissors...and now I've come over all queasy! I may not be safe setting fire to the whisky either...but thanks anyway Canadienne...


This could turn into quite a BBC Buffet!

Anyone have any John Leonard Recipes at all? ;0)


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: GUEST,Canadienne
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 12:58 PM

hear's one you may appreciate Lizzie - substitute any "star" of your choice

Star gazy pie


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 12:59 PM

Acid Drops

450g (1lb) Sugar
120ml (4 floz) Warm Water
1 level tsp Tartaric Acid
tsp Cream of Tartar
Lemon Essence

Place the sugar, water and cream of tartar into a heavy bottomed saucepan, heat gently until the sugar has completely dissolved.
Boil the mixture without stirring, to a temperature of 154C (310F).
Remove from the heat and immerse the base of the saucepan in cold water to prevent further cooking.
Mix the tartaric acid with a little warm water and a few drops of the lemon essence, stirring well.
Add to the sugar mixture stirring to ensure that it is fully combined.
Allow to cool for a few minutes.
Use a teaspoon which has been lightly oiled, place drops of the mixture onto a oiled baking sheet or marble slab.
Allow the acid drops to cool and set.
Then wrap in cellophane and store in an airtight container.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 01:11 PM

Oh Canadiaenne....Now THAT is a wonderful site!! Cornish through and through! Thanks for that.....

MacKenzie...I realise that hearing that I'm promised to another is obviously breaking your heart, but....Acid Drops are SO not going to impress me...

Apart from anything else...there's a POUND of SUGAR in there..and I'm diabetic...

Or..is that the reason.....????

MacKenzie! I'm ashamed of you!

Death By Acid Drops is not a nice way to go... ;0)

I'm going back to Canada and my Star Gazing Pie...

See....all things from Canada are wonderful...XX


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 01:16 PM

Wait for me, wait for me!

Aubergine salad/dip - (melitzanosalata)

INGREDIENTS
6 large aubergines
3-6 cloves of garlic to taste
1 tablespoon olive oil
2 teaspoons vinegar
salt

METHOD

Wash the aubergines, place them in a flat oven dish and grill them under high heat (if barbecuing, just stick them on the BBQ while the heat is still too fierce for the rest of the food to go on) making sure to turn them round until their skins are well, if not totally, charred. Take them out and let them cool.

Meanwhile, peel the cloves of garlic and press them through a garlic press (or chop as finely as you can).

Slice the charred aubergines lengthwise and scoop out their cooked interior into a bowl with a spoon, avoiding the bits of charred skin as much as you can (it is not unhealthy, just unsightly) and letting most of the oily natural liquids of the aubergine drain away. Add the pressed/chopped garlic, olive oil, vinegar and salt to taste. Beat the mixture into a coarse but uniform consistency with a fork I use two spoons sliding across each other scissor fashion. If you want, you can put it through a food processor, but then it will become a smooth paste, whereas the coarse consistency is more "ethnic"! Chill and use as a dip, or take some on a plate with starters (that is how it is used in Greece). The smokey flavour of the aubergine is to die for.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 01:16 PM

Tom Bawcock's Eve (23 December)

A merry place you may believe
Tiz Mouzel 'pon Tom Bawcock's Eve.
To be there then who wouldn't wesh
To sup o' sibm soorts o' fesh

When morgy brath had cleared the path
Comed lances for a fry.
And then us had a bit o' scad
An' starry-gazy pie

As aich we'd clunk
E's health we drunk
in bumpers bremmen high
And when up caame Tom Bawcocks name
We prais'd 'un to the sky

Tom Bawcock set to sea in terrible weather to get food for the starving people of Mousehole, Cornwall. This is celebrated annually on 23 December with a Starry Gazy Pie)


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 01:19 PM

I should have added - the above quantities produce enough aubergine salad for 8 with seconds. Or dinner for me (but stay clear afterwards!)


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: GUEST,Damon Hill
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 01:20 PM

Red-hot Massa still unbeatable in Bahrain
Thursday, 01, March, 2007, 17:13


Felipe Massa completed a perfect week's work in Bahrain by setting the pace on the final major day of pre-season Formula 1 testing on Thursday.

The Brazilian has been in commanding form all week at the Sakhir circuit, topping the times on each of the three days and establishing himself as one of the firm favourites ahead of the 2007 season, which gets underway in Australia on March 18.

Having set a benchmark time of 1m30.640s on Wednesday, Massa upped the ante to a stunning 1m29.989s on Thursday morning, as he continued to evaluate Ferrari's new aerodynamic package.

Despite completing just 45 laps and stopping work before the lunch break, Felipe finished 0.4s ahead of his nearest rival, Renault's Heikki Kovalainen.

The Finnish rookie's week began badly with a spectacular crash on Tuesday, but he has had no trouble getting back up to speed and shaded team-mate Giancarlo Fisichella by 0.1s.

Both drivers' running was interrupted by mechanical problems, although Renault said the parts that failed on Fisichella's car had exceeded their target mileage and were therefore not a concern.

The Renault duo sandwiched the two Ferraris, with Kimi Raikkonen setting the fourth fastest time after he took over the aero package that Massa had been using in the morning.

World champion Fernando Alonso was fifth quickest for McLaren, two places and 0.8s clear of test driver Pedro de la Rosa.

Rubens Barrichello gave Honda a boost with the sixth-best time, but team-mate Jenson Button languished in 14th.

Scott Speed, whose contract renewal with Toro Rosso was confirmed last Saturday, was the surprise of the day, posting the eighth fastest time.

Team-mate Tonio Liuzzi was similarly impressive on Wednesday and so far Red Bull's junior outfit has upstaged the more heralded 'A' team.


Testing times from Bahrain (March 1)

1. MASSA       Ferrari      1m29.989s

2. KOVALAINEN   Renault      1m30.384s

3. FISICHELLA   Renault      1m30.498s

4. RAIKKONEN    Ferrari      1m30.534s

5. ALONSO       McLaren      1m30.564s

6. BARRICHELLO Honda       1m31.067s

7. DE LA ROSA   McLaren      1m31.354s

8. SPEED       Toro Rosso   1m31.500s

9. COULTHARD    Red Bull    1m31.589s

10. HEIDFELD    BMW          1m31.720s

11. WEBBER       Red Bull    1m31.742s

12. KUBICA       BMW          1m31.751s

13. SCHUMACHER   Toyota       1m31.791s

14. BUTTON       Honda       1m31.837s

15. MONTAGNY    Toyota       1m32.264s

16. SATO         Super Aguri 1m33.337s


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 01:21 PM

I believe we have the makings of a dinner party, including starters and pudding. Plus acid drops with the coffee.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: GUEST,Canadienne
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 01:21 PM

real Canadian home cooking


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 01:22 PM

OK, Canadienne, you get a lift with Massa, as he's the fastest. We meet at Lizzie's.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 01:25 PM

The moose recipe reminded me of a South African friend's response to the waiter in an English restaurant when asked how he liked his steak: "Catch the cow, cut its horns, wipe its bum and put it on a plate".


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: GUEST,Damon Hill
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 01:25 PM

Hey, I just spotted an on-topic bit to the test report:

"The Renault duo sandwiched the two Ferraris"

Damm, I thought I was posting something topic. Must try harder next time.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 01:25 PM

So who's coming to the party? Can we have a show of hands please?


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 01:31 PM

Oh...I is feeling Proper Poorly!

Hey George...I thought I'd make a few of these to add to the Feast!

EXTREME COOKING

I'm ever so worried about the Moose and the Cow...someone phone the RSPCA...fast....

I'm sure there must be a Show of Hands song that we could play as background music..

MacKenzie is ONLY allowed to have Acid Drops by the way! ;0)


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: GUEST,Canadienne
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 01:32 PM

for you George........anything

p.s. - is one moose enough for you?


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 01:39 PM

That's the end of the moose, and here is the weather forecast.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: GUEST,Devil's Advocate
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 01:51 PM

"So who's coming to the party? Can we have a show of hands please?"
Nah George! I reckon we need a finger buffet instead!


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 01:53 PM

The finger bowl is empty, nothing in it but a slice of lemon and a drop of water!
G


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 01:55 PM

An acid drop then


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: GUEST,Keith
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 01:57 PM

"I'm sure there must be a Show of Hands song that we could play as background music.."

There is a song called "The Hunter". That might do. For those that like a more traditional hunting song, then perhaps the SoH take on "Reynardine" would fit the bill. For those that don't eat meat but do eat fish, then their version of "The Downeaster Alexa" might be more appropriate. Mr Beer has a rathe fine alternative arrangement of that that, has never made it to CD, where it sounds really like it is set off The Lizard rather than Martha's Vinyard.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 02:03 PM

Keith, can you point me to an MP3 of the SoH version of "Downeaster Alexa"? I love that song, but only know Billy Joel's original version.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: GUEST,Keith
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 02:24 PM

" can you point me to an MP3 of the SoH version of "Downeaster Alexa"? I love that song, but only know Billy Joel's original version".

George, I will tomorrow.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: GUEST,BLonde Lover
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 02:29 PM

'Tis no good you trying to impress me with your Culinary skills my deario....for I am promised to another....

Only one Lizzie?


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: Folkiedave
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 02:35 PM

We need a Yorkshire Pudding Course

Ingredients
vegetable oil
290ml/ pint milk
4 eggs, beaten
255g/9oz plain flour, sifted
salt and freshly ground black pepper

Method
1. Preheat the oven to 220C/425F/Gas 7.
2. Grease a Yorkshire pudding tin with a little vegetable oil. Place the tin in the oven to preheat.
3. Place the milk, eggs and seasoning in a bowl. Stir well to combine.
4. Whisk in the flour.
5. Remove the tin from the oven. Pour in the batter, filling each case only three quarters full.
6. Place the tin in the oven and bake for 10 minutes, or until puffy and raised.
7. Remove the puddings from the oven and serve.

Suitable for vegetarians - traditionally the fat would be lard.

On my father's side of the family from Yorkshire - tyhey traditionally had this at the start of the meal so that people would need to eat less meat. Served with gravy.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: GUEST,Viking
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 02:37 PM

but you know what happens when my contact lenses are out...my ears take over!

Hmmm.. that transition should be easily accomplished; not that long a distance to travel, and nothing but air to traverse ;-)


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 02:45 PM

I looked deep in her eyes, and all I could see was the back of her head?
G.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 02:59 PM

>>>>Only one Lizzie?<<<<

Most definitely. 100%. Absolutely. :0)



Hey MacKenzie..if you did that to my eyes...you'd see my contact lenses! ;0) Now shush...else I'll put my glasses on and scare the Beejayzus out of you.....and it'll put you off your meal too....although you only have a small selection of Acid Drops as I recall...

See...we're all going back to our 'Roots' here...discovering ancient local recipes for Yorkshire Puddin' and Moose Tarts

Who'd have thought it eh?

And Viking....I came across you in York I think recently, at your Viking Festival...you were the one who refused to come out and show the kids how to fight, as it was raining...and you didn't want to slip over in your leather shoes....

Hah! Call yourself a Viking!

Here...make a few Toasted Stinging Nettles and try to be a Real Man!

Viking Recipes


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 03:19 PM

'Woodsie' inquired much earlier in the thread why some of us were 'hostile' to LC.
Da management has decided to truncate my reply, which they viewed as a 'personal attack'.
Readers might like to review LC's posts and count up the many that she is attacking personally.
Then feel free to PM me offlist should they need any further elucidation of the damaging activities of this troll.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: Captain Ginger
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 03:44 PM

George, I'm interested to see that you don't do that faffing around with salt on your aubergines.
I was always taught to do that, until one day I thought "Why?" and stopped salting them before cooking, and noticed no adverse effect on the taste and realised that it made cooking with them a darned sight easier. It does seem to be an English affectation, this salting malarkey.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 03:47 PM

It's to stop them going brown, you don't need to do it if you're going to deal with them straight away I believe
G


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 04:05 PM

Now my nan, who was Sicilian, salted her aubergines. I't not actually to keep them from going brown, G - it "draws out" some of the bitterness from them apparently, but also actually starts "cooking" them - they go kind of soft, and it gives them a much nicer texture when they actually are cooked, methinks.

My nan was a great cook. Her eggplant (aubergne) parmegiana was the food of the gods...


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: Captain Ginger
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 04:40 PM

It is amazing how much oil they will soak up, isn't it? When making a moussaka (sorry George, my reciple is probably horribly unauthentic!) I like to fry the slices of aubergine in olive oil first, and they'll soak up gallons until a certain point when they spit it all out again and go soft. I have to keep reminding myself to keep the faith and wait for them to spit out the oil. I've heard that salting them means that they don't start off quite so absorbent. Could be useful for dealing with shipwrecks, though...


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 04:43 PM

that's right, CG. They absorb the salt and then release a lot of juice, like mushrooms do when you sweat them.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 04:44 PM

I don't like aubergines very much so can you use something else? Like a Route vegetable?


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: Folkiedave
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 05:08 PM

I think Ruth Archer's nan is probably correct and it is to draw out the bitterness. I am surprised she came from Sicily, (where they know a lot about aubergines) I imagined she was from somewhere near Blaydon.

Can 'catters help? Is the way one eats Yorkshire Pudding a regional thing or is it a class thing?


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 05:14 PM

Regional.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 05:14 PM

My granddad used to eat Yorkshire pudding cold for breakfast on Monday with jam.
Dunno if this was a regional North Yorkshire thing but my grandmother said he was uncivilised.
Can Ruth's nan give us the recipe for Stotty Cake? (And just to bring this back onto musical topic, it's a polka),


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: GUEST,Ruth's dead nan
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 05:17 PM

Stottie Cake

Ingredients:
6lbs Strong white bread flour
6 teaspoons of salt
1oz lard
2oz fresh yeast
2 teaspoons sugar
2 to 3 pints warm water
Preparation:
Mix flour and salt together then rub in the lard. Cream the fresh yeast and sugar and stir in about half of the warm water until dissolved. Leave the yeast mixture until frothy then add to the flour/salt mix together with the rest of the warm water, sufficient to make a firm but not sticky dough. Knead for ten minutes, place in bowl, cover and leave in a warm place until it has doubled in size. Turn out and knead again.

This is where the recipe differs from 'normal' bread. Sufficient is cut after the dough has had its first rising. Roll out to about " thick and 6" to 8" diameter. Prick all over with a fork and bake on a floured tray on the bottom of the oven this is important for about 25 to 30 minutes on gas mark 8, 450F.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 05:21 PM

No Diane....you need Roots Vegetables....

"Seed, bud, flower, fruit
They're never gonna grow without their roots
Branch, stem, shoots - they need roots"


Even Aubergines know more about where their roots come from, than the English do these days...


Albion Heart

Aubergines R Us


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 05:32 PM

Er...can you still use/buy lard or has it been banned by The Ministry Of Dangerous Substances?


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 05:35 PM

Ruth is right about the salting of the aubergines, especially if you are going to fry them. If you use tham in a casserole, you don't need to do that.

Diane, you can substitute aubergines in moussaka with thinly sliced potatoes.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: GUEST,Ruth's dead nan
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 05:37 PM

Lardy Cake

Ingredients

milk and water mix 300 ml
fresh yeast 20 gm
castor sugar 20 gm
strong flour 500 gm
butter 75 gm
cinnamon 1/2 tsp
mixed spice 1/2 tsp
      
lard 150 gm
castor sugar 100 gm
currants 100 gm
sultanas 100 gm
mixed peel 50 gm

Method

Warm the milk, water and butter to blood temperature (37C); it should feel neither warm nor cold when you put your finger in it.
Sprinkle in the sugar and yeast and stir to dissolve and disperse
Sprinkle in 2/3's to 's of the sieved flour and combine to a light batter: this is known as a 'sponge'
Place in a warm place to prove until double its size
Turn out onto a lightly floured bench and knead in sufficient flour to form a soft dough
Knead for approx. 10 minutes to develop the gluten strands and a soft, elastic dough is obtained
Roll out to a large square/rectangle that is approx. cm thick
Spread out the lard evenly
Sprinkle with the sugar and fruits
Fold in half and roll out to cm thick
Fold into three (known as a triple fold) and roll out to cm thick
Make another triple and roll out to 4-5 cm thick
Cut into required shapes and sizes, and place onto a lightly greased and floured tray
Cover with a damp towel and leave in a warm place until proved to double its size
Score the top of each with a criss-cross pattern with a knife, then bake for approx. 30 minutes at 170C (until well risen and golden brown)
Brush with egg-wash and place back in the oven for 2-3 minutes to glaze
Serve immediately or leave to cool on a wire rack


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: GUEST,Ruth's dead nan
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 05:41 PM

George, I always salted my eggplant, even in casserole-style dishes. It depends how long you're cooking them for. If they're going to be in the oven for at least an hour, the eggplant will go soft. If you're cooking something for a shorter period of time, the eggplant can fail to soften and be a bit chewy. Not nice. The salt takes care of that.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: GUEST,Fanny Craddock
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 05:44 PM

Traditional Cornish pasty recipe.

Serves: 4 (makes 4 pasties)

Cooking time and temperature: 20-30 mins at 220C then 20 mins at 160C then turn oven off and leave in oven for 15 minutes with door shut

Ingredients:

Pastry:

450g strong white flour
100g margarine
100g lard
175ml water
salt
Filling:

50g onion of shallot (or leek)
50-75g turnip (or swede)
100g beef skirt or chuck steak
150g sliced old potatoes
black pepper
salt

Method:

Pastry:

1. Put flour and a little salt into a bowl.

2. Cut off a quarter of the lard and rub into the flour.

3. Grate or slice the rest of the lard and margarine into the mixture and stir with a knife.

4. Pour all the water in and stir until absorbed.

5. Knead for a little.

6. Leave for at least 30 minutes in the fridge before using.

Making the pasties:

1. Preheat oven to 220C.

2. Keep slices of potato in a basin of cold water until needed.

3. Trim the fat off the meat, and cut into 6mm chunks.

4. Flour the board/work area.

5. Cut off 1/4 of the pastry. Roll it out into a circle about 22 cm in diameter. Place an upturned plate over the pastry and trim round.

6. Put most of the turnip and onion across the centre of the pastry round. Sprinkle with salt and pepper.

7. Place meat along the top into the ends. Sprinkle with salt.

8. Top up with most of the potato and the rest of the turnip. Add more salt and the rest of the potato. Do not season top layer with salt.

9. Dampen one side of the pastry all round with a very little water.

10. Fold the damp side of the pastry to the other side and press down firmly but gently. The seam should run across the top, but run it down the side if you find it easier.

11. From the right hand side (or left if you are left-handed) fold over the edge to make it slightly thicker, then squeeze tightly between thumb and forefinger every 2 cms to make a neat pattern along the edge. Tuck in the end and seal well.

12. Make a slit in the top with a knife and patch holes with dampened pieces of rolled-out pastry.

13. Place the pasties on buttered greaseproof paper or a greased and floured tray, leaving 5cm between each. Brush the pasties with milk or egg wash (egg and milk) or water.

14. Bake in preheated oven for 20-30 mins at 220C. If brown turn them down and cook for 20 mins at 160C then turn oven off and leave in oven for 15 minutes with oven door shut.

15. Remove from oven and place on cooling rack. Leave for 15 mins to cool before eating!


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: Blowzabella
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 05:45 PM

I can't remember the last time I saw fresh yeast in a shop but would love to make stotty cake. God that brings back memories - ham and pease pudding stotties ,,,, Can it be done with dried yeast???

(Living in the sticks, I often rely on th elocal Spar for provisions ...it's good, but not fresh yeast good)


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 05:48 PM

I stand corrected - haven't used aubergines in a casserole for a long, long time; if ever. Usually I just have them fried, thinly sliced, dampened and into flour, then straight into the frying pan. Nice and crisp. Same style also works wonders with courgettes.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: GUEST,Ruth's dead nan
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 05:50 PM

""Can it be done with dried yeast???"

yes, pet - substitute 3.5 - 4 tsp dried yeast for the 2 oz fresh.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 05:53 PM

Savitri Chaudhary, when describing how to make bhartha, recommends putting aubergines under the grill or holding them over a gas ring until the skin turns black, by which time they will be soft inside. Then peel under running water, fry the spices then add.

I recommend using something else.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 06:05 PM

Pease pudding hot
Pease pudding cold
Pease pudding in the pot
Nine days old


1 lb dried peas (soaked for 12 hours)
Thyme
Bayleaf
Small onion
2 oz butter
Beaten egg
Salt + black pepper

Put peas, herbs and quartered onion in pan and cover with cold water.
Bring to boil and simmer gently for 2 hours.
Drain then mash to a pulp.
Beat in butter and egg and season.
Pack into buttered pudding basin a, cover with greased paper and tie wih string.
Steam for an hour.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: Blowzabella
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 06:10 PM

Many thanks for the dried / fresh conversion to Ruth's nana - and to the countess for the pease pudding recipe - we always did it with yellow split peas, ham stock and no herbs, egg, butter or onions .... we must have been really poor .....


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 06:15 PM

I copied it from Delia.

If I was sent to the pork butchers I used till he went to the back to get something then steal some pease pudding from the huge mound standing on the counter.
Wasn't ever caught . . .


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: GUEST,Moo
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 06:16 PM

1. Define mating goals

MM allows the user to set their breeding preferences. To change breeding preferences select from the main menu Mate Cows. From the Individual Cow Mating Screen select Import Data and Set goals, the Import data and Setup Linear Goals Screen will appear. To change breeding goal preferences select the Linear Goal tab. The Holstein uniform linear type traits system is used to your establish breeding goals. If you wish to receive more information on the trait, click on the label indicated by the trait name. You are able to define your breeding goal by changing the values listed behind each trait. If you wish to consider a trait as a one-way trait then check the box that is listed behind the linear score. If you wish a trait to be considered as a two-way trait then un-check the box. MM allows you to use preset breeding goals by selecting the Breed Average or High Type buttons.

2. Define semen usage restrictions

To limit the units of semen you wish to use from a specific bull, select from the Import data and Setup Linear Goals Screen the Semen Usage tab. To restrict the units on a specific bull, select a bull from the list and double click. Enter in the Max # of Units box the maximum value you wish to consider and press the Save button. To erase all limitations click on the Reset button.

3. Mate the cow

After you have imported your cow data, specified your breeding goals, trait emphasis and semen restrictions, you are ready to mate your cows.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 06:35 PM

Are these insructions intended especially for Ruth's use in the cowshed?


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: Folkiedave
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 07:02 PM

I doubt it. She let Sam down badly.

Remember she defined her mating goals quite clearly and then failed to follow through.

It never got to the other bits..............


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 07:24 PM

Look, would you throw away the chance to spend the rest of your life insemnating cows and getting your spanner round the engine of a Massey for a dirty little grope with a snowboarder in an Oxford Travelodge?

A girl's got to have priorities.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: Folkiedave
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 07:35 PM

My comments were strictly limited to the question from Countess Richard.

As for getting a group in a Travelodge.............is that an offer?

Dave


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: GUEST,Another one
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 08:25 PM

"As for getting a group in a Travelodge.............is that an offer?"
No Folkiedave... methinks the offer was for a singular grope - I don't think group playtime was actually in prospect!!!


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: Blowzabella
Date: 02 Mar 07 - 03:25 AM

As for getting a group in a Travelodge.............is that an offer?

Shouldn't that be on the 'How to get a gig' thread


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: GUEST,Aye Aye
Date: 02 Mar 07 - 03:37 AM

A group grope. Girls, count me in.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: Captain Ginger
Date: 02 Mar 07 - 03:50 AM

I think this thread may be destined to become a classic of its kind.

And talking of classic - smoked paprika; how wonderful an ingredient is that? I find I use it more and more to add a savoury edge to dishes. It seems to have the 'umami' effect that one finds in MSG, anchovies and other flavour enhancers, and gives a wonderful warmth to any stew or casserole. I sprinkle som eon the otp of moussaka (I use greek yoghurt, plain flour and an egg beaten together rather than a bechamel), and it's great with any pork disk. It has now become one of my unexpectedly essential ingredients along with nutmeg, star anise and anchovy essence.
Sorry, thread drift there...
Back to the group gropes in an Oxford Travelodge (and how banal - a little country house hotel or a small cottage would have been far more likely to winkle Ruth out of her overalls than a ruddy Travelodge).


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: Folkiedave
Date: 02 Mar 07 - 04:11 AM

Yes, I always thought Sam's seduction technique, (flowers, champagne) was let down by his choice of venue. A small boutique hotel would have been much better. But I digress.

I always seem to have difficulty purchasing smoked paprika. Fortunately I spend a lot of time in Spain where it is easily purchased. Not only do I bring some home for myself I even bring some home for others including a restaurant!!

Incidentally one of the difficulties of learning the Hungarian language at the start is the fact the letters in Hungarian don't have the same sounds you have come to expect. An "a" is sounded as an "o".
Thus "paprika" is actually pronounced in Hungarian as "popriko". And when you raise your arm in the street you shout "toxi".

Not many people know that. In fact Hungarians don't know it because it sounds normal to them.

Any news on the Yorkshire Pudding front? Regional or class?


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 02 Mar 07 - 04:57 AM

Is that from the Monty Python Hungarian phrasebook, Dave?

My nipples are bursting with delight...

:D


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: GUEST,Viking
Date: 02 Mar 07 - 05:16 AM

Lizzie, dear, you and I have never met, so you're slagging off an entirely innocent man there.

Also, your suggested viking feast is a bit meagre, methinks. How about something a bit more comprehensive and authentic?


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 02 Mar 07 - 05:17 AM

100


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 02 Mar 07 - 05:18 AM

How about a recipe for Maids of Honour?


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 02 Mar 07 - 05:26 AM

There is a Northern Greek recipe similar to haggis but using the lacework of fat from the belly of a sheep instead to make dumplings the size of a big orange or even bigger, that's called "Maiden's Breasts". Will that do?


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 02 Mar 07 - 05:28 AM

From the Be-Ro book:

MAIDS OF HONOUR

6 oz short crust pastry
jam
50g margarine
50g caster sugar
50g self-raising flour
1 egg

Roll pastry thinly
Cut in rounds and line pastry tins
Place jam in each
Cream margarine and sugar, fold in beaten egg and sugar
Place small spoonful of mixture in each pastry case
Bake at gas mark 6 for 15 - 20 minutes.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 02 Mar 07 - 05:34 AM

Can only follow that with this.

High Dumpsy Dearie Jam

Makes: 3.2 - 3.6kg (7 - 8lb)

900g (2lb) Cooking Apples
900g (2lb) Pears
900g (2lb) Plums
2kg (4lb) Sugar
25g (1oz) Root Ginger
1 Lemon
Water

Peel, core and slice the apples and pears.
Halve the plums and remove the stones.
Place all of the fruit into a heavy bottomed saucepan, add just enough water to cover the base.
Cook for 40 minutes or until the fruit is tender.
Remove from the heat, add the sugar, stir until fully dissolved.
Place the grated rind of the lemon and the bruised ginger into a muslin bag and add to the jam.
Add the juice of the lemon.
Bring to the boil, cook for about 15 minutes, cooking rapidly until the setting point is reached.
The jam is then ready for potting.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Alec
Date: 02 Mar 07 - 06:36 AM

Singing Hinnies
ingredients
250 gm of plain flour
50gm Butter
25gm Currants
1 teaspoon of baking powder
Half teaspoon of Salt
Milk & Sour Cream

Method
1)mix the fat with the flour and
2)add the other ingredients
3)mix until the dough becomes soft by adding milk
and sour cream
4) roll out and bake on both sides on a griddle.
(In absence of a griddle,a heavy frying pan will do)


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 02 Mar 07 - 06:46 AM

NORTHUMBRIAN DUCK

5lb shoulder of lamb with extra 5" of bone on trotter side of knuckle to form mock duck's neck.
Bone rest of shoulder and split end of protruding bone to form beak.
Skewer joint to keep front part upright.
Season, stuff and sew up,
Make scallop cuts in lamb fat to simulate feathers znd sprinkle with flour.
Protect head with foil throughout cooking then burn an 'eye' on either side of 'head'.
Serve on bed of sugar peas so it looks like a duck on a pond.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 02 Mar 07 - 06:58 AM

Sorry countess, but this is hardly a "recipe" - it's a set of presentation instructions for what is simply generic roast shoulder of lamb (so generic, that it leaves the seasoning and stuffing choices open). Worthy of Fanny Craddock, especially if one adds a split snub carrot for a bill and two vine leaves for webbed feet.

Where is the rosemary? Where the mint sauce?


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Scrump
Date: 02 Mar 07 - 06:58 AM

their version of "The Downeaster Alexa" might be more appropriate. Mr Beer has a rathe fine alternative arrangement of that that, has never made it to CD

Phil's version of the song was on the "Covers" CD (issued in 2000)

(Yes, it is good isn't it - I saw him do it on tour last year.)


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 02 Mar 07 - 07:01 AM

Much better Maids of Honour as made at the eponymous teashop in Kew, where my French professor once took me.
Enough of that.
The recipe is derived, allegedly, from the Hampton Court kitchens where they were made for Henry VIII.

1lb puff pastry
Half pint milk
4 tablespoons 2-day-old breadcrumbs
4 oz butter
2 tablespoons sugar
grated rind of lemon
2 oz ground almonds
3 eggs

Bring milk and crumbs to boil and leave for 5 minutes
Beat in butter, then sugar, rind and almonds
Beat in eggs last
Then proceed as above.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 02 Mar 07 - 07:05 AM

Where is the rosemary? Where the mint sauce?

You'd be better off inquiring where's the sodding duck.

(Recipe from W G Lough, butchers of Jesmond, via Jane Grigson)


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: GUEST,Keith
Date: 02 Mar 07 - 07:10 AM

"Phil's version of the song was on the "Covers" CD (issued in 2000)"

Ah, NOT the version on Covers where Steve sings the lead vocal. I like that a lot, but there is also an "instant folk-mix" version they did at Coalport in 2003. Steve was suffering badly with laryngitis, which meant Phil had to do more lead vocals that night. First he sang it more or less as on the CD, with him on lead, then they played a different version with Phil on guitar and Steve on concertina. Made it sound like a "trad" English song (other than the place names). Certainly sounded a lot more "trad English" than a certain song about a white rabbit look-a-like...

Thinking of which, anyone got a good recipe for jugged hare or rabbit pie?


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 02 Mar 07 - 07:15 AM

Who needs mint sauce?

Big Game Salsa

From Tequila Herradura
This salsa recipe from Tequila Herradura is quick and easy and is perfect for Super Bowl parties. It includes just enough tequila for extra flavor, but not too much to where you'll be drunk by the time the bowl's gone. I would suggest using blanco tequila, but I also tried it with a reposado, which added a rich agave flavor to the mix. Anyone can make this salsa, even if you have minimal experience in the kitchen; just chop and mix. If there are children around, make a non-alcoholic version by foregoing the tequila and be sure to clearly mark each salsa so there's no confusion.
INGREDIENTS:

    * 4 Serrano chilies, chopped- stems and seeds removed
    * 2 Tbsp olive oil
    * 2 large tomatoes, chopped
    * 1 large onion, chopped
    * 2 cloves garlic, minced
    * 2 Tbsp fresh cilantro, chopped
    * 1/2 cup lime juice
    * 1/4 cup water
    * 1/3 cup Tequila Herradura

PREPARATION:

   1. Mix tomatoes, onions, chilies, garlic, cilantro and oil until all items are coated in the oil.
   2. Mix in lime, water and tequila.
   3. Leave as is for chunky style or puree for smooth, paste style.
   4. Add salt and pepper to taste.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Folkiedave
Date: 02 Mar 07 - 07:31 AM

A number of people will be aware that I was lucky enough to visit Pennsylvania and the Amish country over the Xmas period. Whilst there I came across this recipe for road-kill possum.

Pennsylvania Possum Pot Pie
(Often served to unsuspecting bed-and-breakfast tourists in Amish country)

Five-pound possum, cut into serving pieces; water; salt; 12 peppercorns; two ribs celery, chopped; two carrots, quartered; one onion; two cups flour; four egg yolks; six tablespoons hot water

Place possum in kettle. Add water to cover, salt to taste, peppercorns, celery, carrots and onion. Simmer until possum is thoroughly tender, about two hours. Strain broth and pour into clean kettle. Simmer while preparing remaining ingredients. Remove possum from bones. Discard bones and skin. Cut possum into bite-size pieces. Sift flour and one-half teaspoon salt together onto board. Make well in centre and put egg yolks into it. Gradually work yolks into flour until stiff dough is formed, adding hot water as needed. Knead until smooth, about five minutes. Cut dough in half. Roll each half until paper thin. Cut dough into noodles about one inch wide. Add possum to simmering broth. Gradually add noodles. Continue boiling until noodles are done, about five minutes.

The late great Tony Capstick had a recipe for Kangaroo Stew. I cannot remember the details but I remember it started with "gently simmer the Kangaroo in a gallon of whisky. After 3 hours throw the kangaroo away and drink the juice".


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 02 Mar 07 - 07:42 AM

GREEK EASTER LAMB ON A SPIT

2 weeks before Easter:
Order lamb from butcher. Has to be whole lamb, including head, gutted and cleaned of all the offal etc and with the hooves cut off. Ideally no more than 10kg in total.

Good Saturday:
Pick up lamb from butcher. Make sure you get separately the animal's lace-like fat covering of the belly. Using long spit (7-8 foot) with a handle at one end, skewer it up the fundament, along the spine, up under the jaw and through the top of the head. Using strongish wire and pliers, tie hind legs together and anchor onto the spit using a U-clamp with protruding spikes. Cross front legs and tie with wire to the spit. Use another U-clamp to anchor head to the spit. Finally, using wire tie the spine tight to the spit (halfway along) and also tie the neck to the spit. All that is done so that the lamb will not slide up and down the spit (or indeed around it) during the cooking.

Stand spit and lamb upright, turn garden hose on and wash thoroughly in- and out. Lay flat, belly up, between two chairs. Rub salt, pepper and oregano inside the belly. Drop into the belly 5-6 quartered lemons, several large hunks of bread and fist-sized pieces of cheese (NOT feta, one of the yellow cheeses, cheddar will do). Using a sack-needle and twine, sew up the belly tight.

With a pointed knife make a dozen deep stabs in the fleshier parts of the animal and stuff a pinch of oregano and a clove of garlic in each.

Rub salt, pepper and oregano over all of the outside of the animal. Tie the lace-of-fat that you obtained separately onto the back of the lamb, for self-basting. Cover completely with a dampened large sheet and let it rest SOMEWHERE HIGH AND OUT OF REACH OF OTHER ANIMALS, ANTS ETC till Sunday morning. The dampened sheet is most important; if you forget this, your lamb will dry up and be more like lamb jerky!

Go to church at midnight, having fasted all day, then have fireworks, come home and eat Easter soup (best not to ask what's in it). Sleep for 6 hours, then

Easter Sunday:
As soon as you wake up, take spade, go into the garden, dig 4-5 foot long trench (and 1 foot deep), fill with charcoal (or even better with pine and vine branches), set fire to it. Coffee and a cigarette, do your ablutions and get dressed. By the time you come back, the fire will have settled into embers (if it hasn't, wait!). Concentrate the embers away from the middle of the trench and towards the two ends. Stick two Y-shaped supports for the spit into the ground at either end of the trench, get a stool and a magazine (to shield your face from the heat), put the spit on the supports and start turning like buggery (abt 2 or 3 turns/second), for at least 90 minutes, all the while making sure the lamb doesn't "catch" (get burned) unevenly. Baste with olive oil mixed with salt, pepper and oregano (or rather get someone else to do it, you're too busy turning the spit and cannot stop).

After about 90 mins the lamb should have taken on a nice first colour. Slow down the turning to abt 1 turn/sec for 30 mins, then to 2 secs/turn for another hour and for the last one or two hours the rate can be 3-4 secs/turn. Total cooking time = 4 to 5 hours. Add 30 mins to 1 hour for getting the fire ready and another 30 mins for slicing the meat off the spit and generally dismembering the lamb, that means starting up at 7am if you want to eat at 2pm.

While all of that is happening, kind people will bring you glasses of ouzo or wine, various tidbits (meze) to nibble, others will come to take over the truning from you (stints of 20-30 mins max), there will be music and perhaps some dancing, and at least one drunk uncle will get out his hunting shotgun and shoot off a tile from the roof by accident.

By 2pm the lamb is ready, you are stuffed with tidbits and a little drunk all being well, you all sit at the table and think "there's no way I can eat all this now".

But you do.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 02 Mar 07 - 07:44 AM

Bugger, I've gone all soppy now...


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Captain Ginger
Date: 02 Mar 07 - 08:33 AM

Blimey - sounds blood fantastic! So, everyone round to George's this Easter?


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 02 Mar 07 - 08:40 AM

Went to a 'Russian Easter' once - if they would only have had your lamb George...


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Bainbo
Date: 02 Mar 07 - 08:41 AM

I went to a 'Happy Easter' restaurant once, but they didn't have lamb either.

I think that's what it was called ...


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 02 Mar 07 - 08:56 AM

Another Random Quick and Nasty Recipie
From the Fooles Troupe


Put some sausages (any flavour, but good old pork will do) on to brown, and gently cook thru.

In a saucepan, combine a can of Tom Yum Soup, with a packet of Contiental 4 Cheeses (you can substitute some others) Pasta, add a small amount (100ml approx) of milk (coconut will do great too!), a bit of butter or the equivalent in oil, etc.

Simmer gently until pasta al dente.

Slice sausages thinly on a large angle to make thin large chunks, add to pasta/sauce, stir.

May be eaten with a side salad, French Bread sliced thick on a wide angle.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Alec
Date: 02 Mar 07 - 08:58 AM

Two weeks before Easter there is Carlings Sunday...
Carlings.
Take desired quantity of dried peas
soak overnight
boil up to an hour,depending how soft you prefer them.
Fry with a little butter & salt.
Add vinegar,wait until the vinegar evaporates and then serve.
Carlings Sunday is 25th March this year.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Alec
Date: 02 Mar 07 - 09:10 AM

Leek Pudding.
100 gm self raising flour
50 gm suet
1 leek
pinch of salt

method
Mix flour,suet and add a pinch of salt
Roll out the pastry.
chop/slice the leek
put leek inside pastry and roll up
place in a cloth or wrap in foil
immerse in boiling water and boil for about two hours.
Serve with stew.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Sorcha
Date: 02 Mar 07 - 09:16 AM

Awwwww, this thread is 'coming down' in the world.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 02 Mar 07 - 09:23 AM

Take slice of Bread, cut out centre, put on pan to heat, drop egg in centre, cook. Add bacon on the side.

You can do this in the microwave too.

I use a 'sandwich toaster' double plate. Cooks it without turning over.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 02 Mar 07 - 09:27 AM

Btw, use 'baking paper' on the sandwich toaster - no need for any fat then.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 02 Mar 07 - 09:56 AM

You can get smoked paprika in Sainsbury's these days. I use it as suggested further up the thread: to add a little warmth and savouriness to lots and lots of things. I also have some very wonderful oak-smoked sea salt.

I have a feeling my nan might be back later with her jugged hare recipe...


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Scrump
Date: 02 Mar 07 - 09:59 AM

"Ah, NOT the version on Covers where Steve sings the lead vocal. I like that a lot, but there is also an "instant folk-mix" version they did at Coalport in 2003. Steve was suffering badly with laryngitis, which meant Phil had to do more lead vocals that night. First he sang it more or less as on the CD, with him on lead, then they played a different version with Phil on guitar and Steve on concertina. Made it sound like a "trad" English song (other than the place names). Certainly sounded a lot more "trad English" than a certain song about a white rabbit look-a-like..."

Oops, sorry Keith. I don't have "Covers" so I'd forgotten it wasn't Phil singing on it. He did a great live version at some of the tour gigs last autumn, on his own without Steve (or Miranda, or anyone else - just him and his guitar). He didn't do it at every gig though, he also sang his 'folky' versions of other songs that would normally be thought of as 'pop'.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 02 Mar 07 - 10:08 AM

What's this music rubbish doing in a cooking thread?

Vw Haf Taken Over!


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Scrump
Date: 02 Mar 07 - 10:22 AM

Ah, it all started with a discussion about fish. So it is related to food.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Captain Ginger
Date: 02 Mar 07 - 10:23 AM

Mind you, to bring the thread back round again, the blond one in SoH does look as though he found the secret pie stash!
Now a proper pie - there's a gift from the gods. Lunch today was the remains of a steak and mushroom pie I made on Tuesday with lashing of thyme, bay and ground mustard. Yum!


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: GUEST,Surreysinger
Date: 02 Mar 07 - 10:35 AM

Lunch today was lamb shoulder steak (grilled) with mixed vegetables, followed by fruit. Very virtuous, but enjoyable ... but George's Easter Lamb sounds much more fun... baggies I get invited as well!!!
Maybe we should organise a Mudcat Show of Hands feast... Show of hands anyone???


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: GUEST,Keith
Date: 02 Mar 07 - 11:02 AM

I've just found that Sainsbury's have started stocking Steak Diane in their new range of ready meals. Do you have a special signature version of that Diane?


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 02 Mar 07 - 11:15 AM

A READY MEAL?
Pah! The indignity.
The whole point is that you slice the beef at the table, pour on brandy, ignite and serve immediately.
How can you recreate that in a packet?
What you need is a Fair Annie type conflagration, with Lord Thomas going up like hokey green.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 02 Mar 07 - 11:33 AM

Visions of "drench with brandy, light blue touch paper and retire" at the table...


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: GUEST,Keith
Date: 02 Mar 07 - 11:35 AM

The Steak Diane is in their "taste the difference" range. I'll do a tasting soon. Not tonight though, because I've already got my (own recipe) chilli con carne underway. Mind you, I've often wondered if "taste the difference" doesn't just translate as "just the same with 50% markup". Their "taste the difference" croissants are however 50% bigger.

Oh dear, there are a lot of exotic recipes in this thread. I do hope this doesn't provoke anyone to write a rant about sticking to only "english" dishes. My cooking is only half-english at the very best. Indeed its probably one quarter english, but there is no song with that title (yet).


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Folkiedave
Date: 02 Mar 07 - 11:52 AM

George I am not one to criticise as you well know. Well apart from the Folk Awards.

But that recipe for Easter lamb, fine as it is - but the way we would roast lamb in Sheffield were we ever to do it like that - we would use rosemary where you have used oregano. I always associate rosemary with lamb and oregano with Italian cookery.

Not that I am questioning the authenticity of your recipe you understand.

Parsley, sage, oregano and thyme.......


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 02 Mar 07 - 11:56 AM

Oregano is an essential ingredient in all Greek cookery.
G.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 02 Mar 07 - 12:05 PM

Well, the Romans stole it from the Greeks, but you're right Giok. Robin, yes, you can substitute rosemary for oregano if you prefer it. Just a matter of taste. As an aside, Greeks don't know mint sauce or any use of mint with lamb; and they do eat a lot of lamb.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Blowzabella
Date: 02 Mar 07 - 01:55 PM

Question for the countess ....

Diane - did you encounter 'Savoury Duck' in your upbringing? I was only a few miles south of you - but it was a sort of faggoty thing that you fried ... (can't remember if you sliced it or just fried it) ...

I stock up on my north east regional scrummies when I go over - pease pudding, savoury duck, cheese scones - none of these seem to be available in Lancashire - except you can get cheese scones in M&S but there isn't one convenient


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 02 Mar 07 - 09:56 PM

MORE PIE!


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Sorcha
Date: 02 Mar 07 - 10:48 PM

Doesn't Lizzie want her recipes???


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands at The Royal Albert Hall
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 03 Mar 07 - 07:01 AM

Cornish Crab Soup

1.2lt (2 pints) Chicken Stock
900ml (1 pints) Full Cream Milk
225g (8oz) Crab Meat, fresh or frozen
150ml ( pint) Double Cream
50g (2oz) Butter
50g (2oz) Plain Flour
2 tbsp Dry Sherry
tsp Grated Nutmeg
Saffron (optional)
Salt and White Pepper

Separate the white and dark crab meat.
Melt the butter a saucepan, stir in the flour and allow to cook for 2 minutes.
Add the milk, stirring well.
Add the chicken stock.
Add the dark crab meat, nutmeg and season to taste.
Simmer gently for 12-15 minutes.
Add the saffron (if used).
Add the white crab meat and the sherry.
Bring to a simmer, but do not boil. cook for 5 minutes and adjust seasoning.
Serve with a swirl of cream.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands at The Royal Albert Hall
From: bfdk
Date: 03 Mar 07 - 07:11 AM

Crab Apple Jelly
5 pounds whole crab apples
5 cups water
2 (4 ounce) blocks paraffin
1 (1 3/4 ounce) box Sure-Jell
8 cups granulated sugar

Wash apples and remove blossom ends. Leave crab apples whole. Do not peel or core. Add water to apples; cover and simmer for 15 minutes. Crush with masher and simmer 5 minutes longer. Place in jelly bag and allow to drip overnight for clearest jelly. (A man's cotton handkerchief clipped with clothes pins to a strainer or colander makes a very handy jelly bag.)

If in a hurry, juice may be squeezed out. There should be about 7 cups of juice. If there is a slight shortage of juice, add water. Sterilize jars and lids; drain.

Melt paraffin in heavy glass jar in boiling water. Mix fruit pectin with juice in a 6 to 8-quart saucepan over high heat. Bring to a hard boil, stirring occasionally. Add sugar at once. Bring to a hard rolling boil that cannot be stirred down, stirring constantly. Boil 1 minute, remove from heat and skim off foam with a metal spoon. Pour into jelly glasses, leaving 1/2 inch space at top, and cover with melted paraffin. Jelly will keep in refrigerator for 2 months without paraffin but sealed with lid. Allow jelly to sit for 24 hours before moving to storage. Crab apples make a tart jelly.

Yields 12 to 13 half pints.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands at The Royal Albert Hall
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 03 Mar 07 - 07:30 AM

MOCK CRAB PASTE

grated cheese
teaspoon salt
teaspoon paprika
teaspoon mustard
1 teaspoon anchovy paste
1 tablespoon chopped olives
1 teaspoon lemon juice
2 tablespoons butter
breadcrumbs
skinned tomatoes


Combine all ingredients and mix thoroughly.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands at The Royal Albert Hall
From: Folkiedave
Date: 03 Mar 07 - 07:37 AM

I never knew mock turtle soup had no turtles in it.....

Mock Turtle Soup

INGREDIENTS
        1 calf's head
        butter
        2 veal bones
        1 pound beef
        6 onions
        2 shallots
        rind of 1 lemon
        pinch of cayenne pepper
        6 cloves
        pinch of mace
        pinch of basil
        1/2 glass sherry
        juice of 2 lemons


Plunge the calf's head into boiling water, let it remain for one minute, then remove and rub with a coarse towel. Bone the head, put it into a saucepan, cover with cold water, and skim several times as it boils. Butter the bottom of a soup kettle; add the veal bones which have been cracked and 2 quarts of cold water. Cover and reduce until almost all the water has boiled away, leaving a sort of glaze. Add the calf's head, beef, onions, shallots, lemon rind and the seasoning and herbs, with water to cover generously and boil until the calf's head is done. Strain and let it cool; then remove all of the fat. Put back in the kettle, add the meat of the calf's head and the tongue cut in small cubes. Add the sherry and the lemon juice. Heat to the boiling point but do not boil.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands at The Royal Albert Hall
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 03 Mar 07 - 07:41 AM

Where are my mock crab paste sandwiches?

MOCK CRAB PASTE

grated cheese
teaspoon salt
teaspoon paprika
teaspoon mustard
1 teaspoon anchovy paste
1 tablespoon chopped olives
1 teaspoon lemon juice
2 tablespoons butter
breadcrumbs
skinned tomatoes


Combine all ingredients and mix thoroughly.

I'll make a special pack for Phil & Steve. To eat onstage . . .


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 03 Mar 07 - 09:19 AM

Dave, if you have a look at the Tenniel illustrations for Alice in Wonderland, you'll see thart the Mock Turtle has a turtle shell and flippers for hands, but a calf's head and hoofs for feet. That crazy Victorian humour.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mock_Turtle


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands at The Royal Albert Hall
From: GUEST,Diane
Date: 03 Mar 07 - 09:36 AM

Oh, I was looking for the crab recipes.
Please don't tell me I'm in the wrong place.
Crab paste sandwiches, good for eating in the RAH queue.
Queue? What queue?
Or for throwing at the band.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 03 Mar 07 - 09:41 AM

As Johnny Craddock once famously said.
"If you practice hard enough, all your donuts will look like Fannies"
(Well I hope he said it anyway)
Regards


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 03 Mar 07 - 09:49 AM

There used to be lots of 'Mock' recipes - my gran told me a few - but I have forgotten them. They mostly involved cooking/treating one food so that the shape or texture resembled another.

You can cook chokos with lemon juice to get a 'mock-apple' pie.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 03 Mar 07 - 09:57 AM

Hey, I've got my cookie back.
(I suppose it is OK to say 'cookie' down here?)
The stuff about the crab sandwiches belongs in the RAH thread.
Obviously.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 03 Mar 07 - 09:59 AM

So does the stuff about the Waterson's RAH gig. Obviously.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 04 Mar 07 - 09:35 AM

TRADITIONAL ENGLISH 'ROOTS' RECIPES


And two songs to sing, whilst you're cooking them...... :0)

'ROOTS' by Steve Knightley:
SHOW OF HANDS


"Now it's been twenty-five years or more
I've roamed this land from shore to shore
From Tyne to Tamar, Severn to Thames
From moor to vale, from peak to fen
Played in cafes and pubs and bars
I've stood in the street with my old guitar
But I'd be richer than all the rest
If I had a pound for each request
For 'Duelling Banjos' 'American Pie'
Its enough to make you cry
'Rule Britannia' or 'Swing Low'
Are they the only songs the English know?

Seed, bud, flower, fruit
They're never gonna grow without their roots
Branch, stem, shoots - they need roots

After the speeches when the cake's been cut
The disco is over and the bar is shut
At christening, birthday, wedding or wake
What can we sing until the morning breaks?
When the Indian, Asians, Afro, Celts
It's in their blood, below the belt
They're playing and dancing all night long
So what have they got right that we've got wrong?

Seed, bud, flower, fruit
Never gonna grow without their roots
Branch, stem, shoots - we need roots

Haul away boys let them go
Out in the wind and the rain and snow
We've lost more than well ever know
Round the rocky shores of England

And a minister said his vision of hell
Is three folk singers in a pub near Wells
Well I've got a vision of urban sprawl
It's pubs where no one ever sings at all
And everyone stares at a great big screen
Over-paid soccer stars, prancing teens
Australian soap, American rap
Estuary English, baseball caps
And we learn to be ashamed before we walk
Of the way we look and the way we talk
Without our stories or our songs
How will we know where weve come from?
I've lost St George in the Union Jack
It's my flag too and I want it back

Seed, bud, flower, fruit
Never gonna grow without their roots
Branch, stem, shoots - we need roots

Haul away boys let them go
Out in the wind and the rain and snow
We've lost more than we'll ever know
Round the rocky shores of England"




'A Place Called England' by Maggie Holland:
MAGGIE HOLLAND



"I rode out on a bright May morning
Like a hero in a song
Looking for a place called England
Trying to find where I belong
Couldn't find the old flood meadow
Or the house that I once knew
No trace of the little river
Or the garden where I grew

I saw town and I saw country
Motorway and sink estate
Rich man in his rolling acres
Poor man still outside the gate
Retail park and burger kingdom
Prairie field and factory farm
Run by men who think that England's
Only a place to park their car

But as the train pulled from the station
Through the wastelands of despair
From the corner of my eye
A brightness filled the filthy air
Someone's grown a patch of sunflowers
Though the soil is sooty black
Marigolds and a few tomatoes
Right beside the railway track

Down behind the terraced houses
In between the concrete towers
Compost heaps and scarlet runners
Secret gardens full of flowers
Meeta grows the scent of roses
Right beneath the big jet's path
Bid a fortune for her garden
Eileen turns away and laughs

So rise up George and wake up Arthur
Time to rouse out from your sleep
Deck the horse in the sea-green ribbons
Drag the old sword from the deep
Hold the line for Dave and Daniel
As they tunnel through the clay
While the oak in all its glory
Soaks up sun for one more day

And come all you at home with freedom
Whatever the land that gave you birth
There's room for you both root and branch
As long as you love the English earth
Room for vole and room for orchid
Room for all to grow and thrive
Just less room for the fat landowner
On his arse in his four-wheel drive

England is not flag or Empire
It is not money it is not blood
It's limestone gorge and granite fell
It's Wealden clay and Severn mud
It's blackbird singing from the may-tree
Lark ascending through the scales
Robin watching from your spade
And English earth beneath your nails

So here's two cheers for a place called England
Badly used but not yet dead
A Mr. Harding sort of England
Hanging in there by a thread
Here's two cheers for the crazy Diggers
Now their hour shall come around
We can plant the seed they saved us
Common wealth and common ground"



GRANDMA'S ENGLISH RECIPES

:0)


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 04 Mar 07 - 10:33 AM

Fried lamb's brains

Take one lamb's brain, put it in a saucepan with cold water, change the water from time to time for a couple of hours, until the brains are thoroughly cleansed.
Then put them in another saucepan with fresh water, and with several pieces of onion, a little salt, a little vinegar (one tablespoon to each brain), and some parsley stems.
As soon as the water boils, take the saucepan off, remove the brains, and put them onto a napkin.
Cut them into four pieces, put these pieces onto a plate, and season with a little olive-oil, some lemon juice, and chopped parsley.
When you are ready to fry, roll in flour, dip in egg, and fry the brain over a moderate fire for seven or eight minutes in olive-oil, shortening, or butter.

Serve on toast.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 04 Mar 07 - 11:03 AM

Looks like your latest personality has been rumbled on the BBC site already, Lizzie. An hour - surely that's a new record.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 04 Mar 07 - 11:52 AM

You'll have to try harder Ruthjoan....

Nope..they normally take about an hour or so....and as I said in the Show of Hands thread 'upstairs' I go in with deliberately easy to spot names...

Elizabeth Cornwallis is a very sophisticated folk fan you know. She lives in an old mansion hidden deep in the woods of Frenchman's Creek on the Helford River... ;0)

She not only spoke about Neil Young, The Gathering, 'Roots' and a few other folk things, but she also cordially invited those on the board to call her Lizzie and gave them a wink too! ;0)....She started out as 'Where's Lizzie?' but thought, as it was a Sunday, the Mods needed a little more a fun game to keep them awake...

Elizabeth was very sad that the Moaning Minnies 'run to teacher' telling tales as they do...but I've spoken to her and explained that they all eat Lamb's Brains On Toast, disrupt any thread on anyone they dislike, or that is written by anyone they dislike, have the word HYPOCRITE tattooed down the centre of their bodies, in bright red ink, and meet every week at The Whinge And Wassail Pub in Walthamstow for their weekly burning of the Radio 2 Witch.

Elizabeth sighed....then got into her carriage and returned to her Cornish Estate whilst muttering "Some people should be hanged, drawn and quatered m'dear for their pettiness, spitefulness and dictatorial manner"

And as her carriage rumbled off into the Western Sunset, I couldn't help but agree with her.

;0)


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 04 Mar 07 - 11:58 AM

<>

Being "quatered" is an ancient Cornish punishment, making hanging, drawing and quartering look like a beautiful Summer's Day.

There was one reference to it in The Museum of Witchcraft down in Boscastle...Sadly though, this, along with the museum, was washed away in the recent floods.

As far as I know, Elizabeth Cornwallis is the only remaining Cornish woman who still knows the gruesome details of 'quatering'.....

.....and I....have her address!

Splutter! :0)


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 04 Mar 07 - 11:58 AM

' "Some people should be hanged, drawn and quatered m'dear for their pettiness, spitefulness and dictatorial manner"

And as her carriage rumbled off into the Western Sunset, I couldn't help but agree with her.'

Me too, Lizzie - me too.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 04 Mar 07 - 12:14 PM

Noooo....The Witches of Boscastle just made it instantly and magically appear! ;0)

Great to hear you agree Ruthjoan...perhaps then, you'll now get yourself sorted out and stop with your deeply personal and highly unnecessary insults to me. Good Girl! I always admire those who've the guts to admit how unpleasant they've been....in public.

Excuse me though, for I SO have to get back to watching those FABULOUS FISHERMEN'S FRIENDS on the video below, that Keith put in the 'upstairs' Show of Hands thread....THEY ARE FANTASTIC!!!

I have their 'Suck 'Em And See' CD which is enough to make a Maiden go weak in the most peculiar places! Ohhhhhhh!

FISHERMEN'S FRIENDS



"...Heave Away Haul Away...We're bound for South Australia!"


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 04 Mar 07 - 12:17 PM

Joe or Max......

Can't this thread now be moved upstairs? I've no idea why it was put down here in the Naughty Department anyway....

Be great if it could be put back where it belongs...

Pretty Please.... :0) Flutters eyelashes wildly....:0) :0) :0)


Lizzie :0)


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 04 Mar 07 - 12:17 PM

Lizzie, your lack of self-awareness is staggering to the point of genuine instability. Have you considered professional help?


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 04 Mar 07 - 12:18 PM

"flutters eyelashes"

Pass me the sick bag and act your age.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 04 Mar 07 - 01:27 PM

Sorry Ruth, I have a sense of humour, I do apologise for daring to use it in your presence..


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: GUEST,Canadienne
Date: 04 Mar 07 - 01:57 PM

Museum of Witchcraft
I believe a post indicating that this attraction was refurbished and still open, despite the statement that it had been washed away, was deleted.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 04 Mar 07 - 02:13 PM

flutters eyelashes

Behaving like a stereotypical, reactionary throwback isn't 'humorous'.
It's demeaning, ridiculous and vomit-inducing.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 04 Mar 07 - 02:23 PM

May have been deleted if it was posted by a Guest without a handle my non transatlantic friend!
G.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 04 Mar 07 - 02:37 PM

>>>Behaving like a stereotypical, reactionary throwback isn't 'humorous'.
It's demeaning, ridiculous and vomit-inducing.<<<


Nope...it isn't, only in your book.

I'm a girl/ol' girl/woman/lady/girlie/ol'woman..and PROUD OF IT!

And I shall damn well behave as I want to behave and not as The Wimmin tell me I must....

I shall never 'act my age' because I have never changed the way I am as each year goes past. I am me....not 'an age' I do not judge others as you and your er pals do, whilst spouting on about how 'free-thinking' I am. I do not put people in boxes, or dictate how they must behave, what they must wear, what music they must like, what paper/books they must read, how their children should be brought up or educated etc etc etc....yawn...etc......

This is because I'm a Show of Hands Chick...and not only that....but I am a Free Range Show of Hands Chick too... :0)

I would stay longer, but I have to re-apply my mascara....so 'scuse me......


Lizzie :0)


PS...Are you going down The Whinge and Wassail tonight then Sweetums?

PPS...Bring Back Frocks and Frilly Petties! ;0)


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Sorcha
Date: 04 Mar 07 - 08:17 PM

Eyelashes? Are they fake? Like Tammy Faye's???? Sheesh, I'm jealous!


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: JennyO
Date: 04 Mar 07 - 09:41 PM

Lizzie, I loved that video of the Fishermen's Friends. As fine a version of "Bound for South Australia" as I have heard! (and I know a lot of shanty singers - I live with one!)


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 04 Mar 07 - 09:51 PM

A lot of people find 'Fishermen's Friends' too hot for their taste...


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 02:25 AM

Cinnamon cough sweets

Rosewater
Powdered Gum Arabic
Powdered Cinnamon
Caster Sugar

1. Gently warm four tablespoons of rosewater and add enough gum arabic (approx 4 teaspoons) to make a sticky syrup. 2. Work in roughly equal amounts of caster sugar and cinnamon until you have a solid paste. 3. Press into a shallow tin and, as it dries, cut into small sticks 4. Roll the sticks to make them round 5. Leave to dry completely


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: JennyO
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 03:20 AM

A lot of people find 'Fishermen's Friends' too hot for their taste...

Not me - they're my favourite. None of those wimpy Strepsils and Vapodrops for me! I like 'em strong and hot, like my men ;-)


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 04:27 AM

Oh! I like you Jenny! :0) :0) :0)

Fishermen's Friends sang with Show of Hands at Sidmouth, the first time I ever saw any of them. I was completely bowled over by their wonderful voices.

I love shanty singers too. I really enjoyed the programme that Radio Britfolk did on them a while back now, featuring Johnny Collins and A. L.Lloyd and many others...it was great!

JOHNNY COLLINS


I was re-doing my Sidmouth report from 2005 the other day, putting it on my Myspace page and I came across the part where I saw The Wareham Whalers.

It brought back so many happy memories. There they were, just standing on the seafront, singing their hearts out! The sun was sparkling on the sea behind them and people were thronged around them listening....and all of a sudden this lovely old man, who was on a completely different planet to the rest of us, bless him...but very happy...came and started playing the spoons right next to them...At first he was in time with them, but he got faster and faster, then he started singing a completely different song!

Oh, it was so funny....but they just kept on singing, with gritted teeth and smiles on their faces. HOW they managed to keep their concentration going I've no idea, but they did. Luckily, the old gentleman then moved back to Duke's Acoustic Cafe, where he'd spent most of the week sitting right next to the stage playing 'air mandolin' ;0)

He was such a great character!

Unless you were The Wareham Whalers of course! ;0)

The Wareham Whalers

Mind you, those Fishermen's Friends really should have a website or at the very least, a Myspace page! Their voices should be spread far and wide and it would be so easy for them to get a page too....

Oh I get so frustrated about magical voices that I can't 'get out' to people.

It's the same with Coope Boyes & Simpson, superb voices, but can I send them flying around the world to people? Nope! Grrrrrrr! ;0)

Glad you enjoyed the video though Jenny, that was all thanks to Keith, as he posted it earlier on the other SoH thread now sadly closed.


Lizzie :0)


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 04:34 AM

oooooooooooo....


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 04:46 AM

Oh-oh...


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Alec
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 05:19 AM

Do any of you good people have a good recipe for Pan Haggerty?


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 05:27 AM

If Pan Haggerty is the same as what we called Panacklety, it's a meat stew with thinly-sliced potato on the top, browned in the oven.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 05:31 AM

Oh I get so frustrated about magical voices that I can't 'get out' to people

How self-obsessed can you get?
Yet again, LC assumes no-one else can have heard of artists before she 'discovers' them.
Wrong.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 06:12 AM

"Oh I get so frustrated about magical voices that I can't 'get out' to people.

It's the same with Coope Boyes & Simpson, superb voices, but can I send them flying around the world to people? Nope! Grrrrrrr! ;0)"

Umm, I think that Georgina and the other lovely folks at the No Masters collective have got that one covered. Happily, Lizzie, their careers are pootling along nicelty despite your lack of "help". Mostly because they are professionals, have worked within this industry for decades, and know what the hell they're doing. Unlike you.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 08:08 AM

Actually Ruth, I think you'll find that there are no samples of the voices of Coope Boyes & Simpson anywhere, apart from one tiny sample which lasts only for seconds, somewhere, but you have to go through many buttons to reach it.

Georgina herself posted it, on a thread backalong.

And if you'll excuse me, for I know I am not worthy to even breathe in YOUR folk world, but I KNOW of many people who have been blown away by the voices of Coope Boyes and Simpson when I have played them their music. They have never heard them before, they know nothing of the 'hidden' world of folk music either...but they have gone on to buy their CDs from that one listen of some of mine.

I have also had people come over to my Myspace page and tell me that they too have bought music, that previously they have known nothing about, purely from hearing it playing on my page. I have also discovered some amazing music myself this way from the pages of others.

The internet is a very powerful tool for sending music out in seconds around the world. Coope Boyes & Simpson's main site is wonderful, filled with highly interesting articles, many of which Georgina has written. I was reading one that Sam sent me just the other day, about 'power and gender' in folk songs actually...

I drop Lester a line over at Folkwaves now and again and beg him for that Myspace page....and one day...being always the optimist...I hope they'll get there. And when they do....WOW! Wake Up World!!

You may be happy for theirs and others music to be kept within the controlling walls of the folk world..I'd far rather it reached the ears and minds of many more people.

On the rare occasions I've been to folk clubs, I see a Sea Of Grey, nowt wrong with grey hair, don't get me wrong...but I do NOT see young people there. Likewise with many gigs I attend too. No-one under 40....It worries me terribly!

Unless this music is more widely known about, enthused about and shared about, then it may well begin to die out with the present generation. The younger people in the folk world, I think, struggle to get their names out there, because of the ridiculous attitude that persists to this day, of having to have been on the circuit for at least 10 years or more before you're taken seriously etc...

Many are not given the support they should be given. I'm speechless, and fuming, that Sidmouth have NOT got The Demon Barbers again this year, I was speechless they didn't have them last year to be honest...They are doing a huge amount for traditional music and dance and they bring the young people in, in DROVES, just as Seth Lakeman does...and as Show of Hands are now doing more and more as well.

I watched Steve Knightley at Exeter University recently and he went down a storm with an audience that was made up almost entirely of young people! They went wild for his songs and for the message within his songs...Steve knows what he's doing and Show of Hands support younger acts all the time, as do many other artists....

So...why don't you and Diane take your holier than thou "We know best" attitudes far, far away from me.

Coope Boyes and Simpson ARE doing brilliantly within a smallish world, but again their voices will reach far more people and people of a very different generation if they put them on the internet. When we saw them a while back at Frome the only children there....were mine...and the young people, I could count on the fingers of one hand....Yet their music, their hard work, their intelligence etc...should be reaching thousands and thousands of people, in my opinion.

And ANYTHING I can do, by writing about them, to encourage and enthuse people to listen to their music, whenever I can and wherever I so choose, I will do, with or without YOUR consent.

Thank you both for your concern though.


Lizzie


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: maeve
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 08:10 AM

Anyone have really good recipes for bridies, shortbread, scones, or traditional breads? I've found several other good recipes here.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Scrump
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 08:10 AM

Bah! We were out all day Saturday, and yesterday it rained all day so it was too wet to try out George's lamb recipe. We had to make do with a hotpot (it was very tasty, though).


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 08:20 AM

Perhaps LC could ask No Masters (CBS) if they'd like her to do their publicity.
And Three's Company (Demon Barbers) too.
Then post the replies . . .


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: maeve
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 08:38 AM

Alec- Is this what you want?

Pan Haggerty

450g (1lb) Potatoes
110g (4oz) Cheddar or Lancashire Cheese
2 medium Onions
25g (1oz) Butter
1 tbsp Vegetable Oil
Salt and Pepper

Thinly slice the potatoes and onions and grate the cheese.
Combine the butter and oil in a large frying pan.
Remove the pan from the heat and place layers of sliced potatoes, onions and cheese, reserving a little of the cheese.
Cover and cook gently for about 30 minutes or until the potatoes and onions are cooked.
Pre-heat the grill five minutes before the end of the cooking time.
Sprinkle the reserved cheese over the top of the mixture, place under grill until the cheese is golden brown and bubbling.
Serve straight from the pan.

I'll post a link to the source in a moment...


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 08:43 AM

PARATHA STUFFED WITH POTATO

BREAD
2 and a half cups wholemeal flour
1 cup water
half teaspoonful salt
3 oz set butter fat

Set aside half a cupful of flour for shaping
Sieve flour into mixing bowl, add salt
Mix into dough by adding water gradually
Pound and kneed for several minutes then stand for an hour
Kneed again, shape into balls and roll out
Heat butter fat, spread on to surface then fold over
Spread butter fat on fresh layer, then repeat 3 or 4 times, then roll out failry thinly
Cook on hot iron plate or pan till golden brown.

STUFFING

2 large potiates
1 onion
2 tablespoons coriander
1 dessert spoon butter fat
1 teaspoonful garam masala
1 teaspoonful salt
1 tablespoon lemon juice
Small piece of ginger
half teaspoon chili powder

Boil potatoes in jackets, when cool, peel and mash
Heat butter fat and fry finely chopped onion, herbs and ginger gently for a few minutes
Add salt, garam masala chili and lemon juice
Mix in prepared potato and sizzle for 2 - 3 minutes
Remove from heat and allow to cool

Prepare parathas as above but add a tablespoonful of mixtue to centre of each round after first rolling out.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: maeve
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 08:58 AM

Pan Haggerty

There were several other hits when I googled, but this is the source for the one I posted.

countess- Your Paratha recipe sounds good. Where is it from?


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 09:08 AM

Savitri Chowdhari's Indian Cooking (pub. Andr Deutsch 1954/Pan 1977) ISBN 0 330243659


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Folkiedave
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 09:16 AM

Unless this music is more widely known about, enthused about and shared about, then it may well begin to die out with the present generation.

What a strange self-obsessed comment.

Let me tell you that Cecil Sharp believed that the music was dying out. That was 1901 and he rushed around collecting folk songs to try and catch the songs before they died out.

Alfred Williams who collected and wrote "Folk Songs of the Upper Thames" wrote in 1923. Here is the quote: "The songs themselves ....are practically defunct. There is no need to revive them to do so in fact would be impossible".

When two societies merged in 1931/2 it was because it was believed there was little left to collect.

Peter Kennedy rushed around with a tape recorder because he believed these songs were disappearing.

People were collecting new material in the 1970's.

Gordon Halls' mother with an amazing repertoire was never recorded. Gordon had a repertoire of 200+ songs and he was not "discovered" until the 1970's.

I personally discovered a previously unknown singing tradition in 2001.

We still sing traditional songs in Sheffield at shepherd's meets for example.

There are dozens of young enthusiastic young people who make their own music in sessions. Sheffield (Britain's fourth largest city) hardly has a traditional style folk club in the town but there is music in two or three places virtually every night of the week.

There are two courses for folk music performance at degree level and also post-graduate stuff too.

I could go on.............

Lizzie what you should have written was:

"In the world in which I live it looks as if folk music might die without me spreading the word and people listening to me. After all I have a wide experience and a great depth of knowledge about this, despite people telling me I haven't".


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 09:29 AM

Apologies Lizzie - you're right. Without you, no one would know about any of the artists you've given your "support" to. Tell me - have The Demon Barbers and CBS put pen to paper yet to thank you for saving their moribund careers?

These people are professionals, lizzie. They know what they're doing.

Coope Boyes and Simpson are doing brilliantly in a "smallish" world, because, to be perfectly honest, unaccompanied harmony singing is not for everyone - not even all folkies. My ex-husband, for one, who likes a lot of popular folk and listens regularly to Mike Harding, used to leave the room if I put them on. Horses for courses. You can't MAKE people like something just becasue you think it's good.

"The younger people in the folk world, I think, struggle to get their names out there, because of the ridiculous attitude that persists to this day, of having to have been on the circuit for at least 10 years or more before you're taken seriously etc..."

Don't talk complete rubbish, Lizzie. Jackie Oates. Lisa Knapp. Jim Causley. James Reynard. Kris Drever. Park Bench Social Club. Bodega. Mawkin. Do I have to go on? Cause I could. The scene is full of young performers at the moment who get gigs, festival slots and radio airplay (though not necessarily Mike Harding). If anything, the people usually complaining about not being able to get a look-in are the ones who have been doing the club circuit for 10 or 20 years or more and feel they've never been given the opportunities to progress into the mainstream.

You keep trying to convert people one at a time, Lizzie. Go for your life. But be realistic about the impact you have on these artists' success.

So what if Sidmouth hasn't got The Demon Barbers this year? It may be the only festival in YOUR world, but there are over 300 folk festivals in the UK. And the Demons will be programmed at several of them. They played Sidmouth 2 years ago, and no doubt will play it again. To be successful, a fesitval has to have a sufficient variety and rotation of guests each year to maintain the interests of repeat attenders. Not every one wants to see the same bands every year. And most people don't just go to the festival that happens to take place in their home town - they travel, and spend a lot of money, and a festival has to keep doing new things in order to both keep old punters and attract new ones.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 09:59 AM

Reference your recipe above....
Where can I purchase "Potiates?"
Is this some sort of religious conversion?
At least you're not serving up recipes for Tripe....


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 10:04 AM

.....Unlike someone else.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 10:29 AM

Potiates?

Well, they're illegal in London you know but what you need to do is go to Green Lanes quite late in the evening. Can't tell you exactly where or those Mudelves will mod me off.

It's that shop that's painted green and yellow opposite Harringay Green Lanes station. Just sidle in and pretend to be admiring the chervil until it's quiet and then whisper surreptiously 'Oi, mate, got any potiates?'

You'll be hustled into the back and probably frisked. Then you'll be shown a cage with fierce-looking rodents snarling and snapping at the bars. You only need two or three. Choose the ones you want, they'll be lifted out by assistants wearing gauntlets and body armour and dropped into a vat of boiling, Lebanese non-virgin oil (contaminated no doubt with silicon). When dead, take home and cook as instructed.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 10:31 AM

>>The Demon Barbers and CBS put pen to paper yet to thank you for saving their moribund careers?<<


The Demon Barbers were kind enough to give me some of their 'artist's free tickets' to Beautiful Days last year actually Ruth. Those tickets covered being able to see any artists, for the entire day, I should point out. I raced over to the main arena when they were on and stood there riveted with the rest of the crowd! SUPERB DAY! You can read what happened in my Demons, Diamonds and Disbelief Blog right here, on my Myspace page, first blog....if you should want to of course. ;0) My daughter and I had the most lovely day that day all thanks to the kindness of Damien, Bryony and all the others.

DEMONS DIAMONDS & DISBELIEF

And yes, Lester did thank me, at Sidmouth, for the Folkwaves thread on Radio 2 and for the fun we used to have on there and the interest it generated.

The people who I have had the good fortune to meet in the folk world have all been extremely lovely. Those people, to me, are the 'real' folk world. They are not bitter, high and mighty, bitchy, unpleasant, spiteful, nor do they consider themselves to be better than anyone else or know-it-alls either. They are warm and welcoming, kind and caring.

I have admiration for them all and I thoroughly enjoy writing about them all too. I will also continue to write about them as well.

Folkiedave....thank you for writing what you feel I *should* have written, but I write what I choose to write. Never do I write, or do, as people dictate I should. You are free to interpret my words or twist them, as you deem appropriate to your view of me. But if it's all the same to you, I'll just carry on the way I've always done...

And that is simply being me and loving the music.

Please feel free though, to write in whatever way you all so choose, I'll not fill in your words for you.

Thanks

Lizzie :0)


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 10:37 AM

Don't think anybody paid to get into Beautiful Days. Comps were 10 a penny (as it were).


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 10:37 AM

That's right, Lizzie. They're all ever so grateful for your single-handed propping up of their careers.

*sigh*


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 10:51 AM

Hey Countess.
I don't live very far away from that road...
Discretion. Point taken. It's a dangerous street.
I've been told that the smaller and faster they are (ie, much harder to catch), the more succulent.
I feel an expidition coming on.
Knowing the area well, are there any other dangers I should be aware of?
At my age, I can't run so fast.
Also,after having been lightly killed, do the "Pots" (as I like to call them) last for long in the fridge, or is it best to freeze them? any suggestions for a marnade perhaps?
Thanks for your informed knowledge. It means a lot to me.
Can't wait to incorparate them in your menu.
Yummy


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 11:20 AM

Yes, of course it's insulting to Damien, but they're not bothered about that, all they're bothered about is being as vitriolic as possible.

Funny how some parts of the folk world are so welcoming and such fun, whilst others are so vindictive and miserable isn't it?

I'm glad I'm with the Welcoming and Fun side though.

I'll leave the others to froth at the mouth.

Lizzie :0)


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 11:21 AM

Insulting to Damien? Why? It's a whole festival, not just The Demons' performance.

oh, by the way...hi lizzie!

*waves at "guest" *


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Alec
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 11:55 AM

Maeve that is excellent.Thank you.
Countess,it certainly sounds as though Pan Haggerty & Panacklety are regional variations on the same theme.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 11:59 AM

no, of course not Lizzie. Which is why you're simply some anonymous guest.

Right...Damien is tightfisted because he gave a fan a ticket for free - lordy, the logic here is about to make me go cross-eyed.

I would assume that the contrary is true - he must have been very generous indeed with those tickets for Lizzie to have ended up with one.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 12:10 PM

These potiates are Venezualan marsupials with sharp claws, big teeth and they are very, very vicious.

So you have to make sure they are properly and not just lightly dead and you should do this by poking them with a stick. If they twitch, just leave them a while longer but watch out for reflex action from their teeth.

Fill in the time by consuming any other purchases you might have made in Green Lanes (fast running may be necessary) and think about ingredients for the marinade.
Garlic, ginger and chilis, finely chopped, and olive oil from somewhere olives are growing nowadays (I think this includes polar regions), or if funds are short, used engine oil will be fine.

Best to use straight away after several hours of marinading, but if required, they can be kept in the freezer. They don't take up much space, especially if they've been spatchcocked first and stacked in a pile behind the frozen peas.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 12:21 PM

I'm not sure I approve of the recommended treatment of the potiates prior to cooking.

Is all this poking and dropping in oil strictly necessary?

I mean, I'm as carniverous as they come, but I don't see the point of gratuitous cruelty to my supper.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 12:36 PM

Er...sorry Ruth I realise that you think every 'Guest' is me...but it isn't.

Methinks I is starting to see The Green-Eyed Monster peeping over your shoulder!

Chuckle....... ;0)


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 12:36 PM

Thanks countess.
Anybody else out there have a recipe for "Potiates"
Particulatly interested in the rather rarer "Charlotte variety?"
More recipes please.

R
(Spatchcocking sounds like fun)


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 12:47 PM

Ralph purely as a matter of interest, what would you think of people who took over a Nic Jones thread in the way that some, including yourself, have on here?

Anyone have any recipes for Hypocrite Pie at all?

I've heard it's a very popular dish in a very small part of the folk world.

:0)


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Folkiedave
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 01:01 PM

Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Lizzie Cornish - PM
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 10:31 AM

Folkiedave....thank you for writing what you feel I *should* have written, but I write what I choose to write. Never do I write, or do, as people dictate I should. You are free to interpret my words or twist them, as you deem appropriate to your view of me. But if it's all the same to you, I'll just carry on the way I've always done...

That's very brave of you Lizzie - it results in you being banned off the BBC board. As Mr. Punch says - "that's the way to do it!!"

It also leaves people like me that you know little of that which you talk.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: GUEST,, not Lizzie :-)
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 01:12 PM

I could litter my note with smileys and string you along, Ruth, but indeed I am not Lizzie. I don't even live near her. I am someone you know vaguely, and who actually likes you and admires you for your work. But fair is fair, I thought, hence my intervention.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 01:13 PM

Ralphie might have difficulty in treating the potiates so cruelly, he's like that,
But I don't think he's have very much hesitation in pulling off the Cornish Crab's nippers and dousing her in boiling oil.
Not a tasty dish but a job well done.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: GUEST,fercryingoutloud
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 01:17 PM

nice one. more adult behavior.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Jeri
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 01:22 PM

Look - I have a cookie!

Listen, you need to know how this looks. I typed a reply, then though I should be nicer. Then, I figured I shouldn't worry too much about being nice since you just aren't people who have the skills to appreciate that.

Y'all are as vicious as a pack of rabid dogs and deserve each other. I (and others) have to endure this petty, vindictive sniping, the bullying, taunting and the self absorbed lack of consideration for any other readers outside your little circle of mutual abuse, if I dare open one of these threads.

You can have your squabbles, but I really wish you didn't wipe them all over the rest of us. I'm really glad I'm not likely to run into any of you.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 01:25 PM

My observation, Guest above, was inspired by madlizzie dragging the name of Nic Jones into her entirely ridiculous and pointless excuse for an argument.
This is, by any stretch of the imagination, wholly unforgiveable.
Besides, those potiates are exceptionally vicious and, while no punishment is bad enough for them, something far worse must be dreamed up for the Cornish mouth from which nothing of value ever emanates.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 01:32 PM

And could the newly-arrived swarm of 'Guests' kindly bear in mind that this read is about recipes.
That means 'how to cook things'.
Not 'how to manufacture apologies for a jumped-up, know-nothing, poisonous troll.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Jeri
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 01:38 PM

Thanks, GUEST. I read it before it was zapped.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 01:39 PM

Enough of the shit-storm then, it's catching my lamb!


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: GUEST,Devil's Advocate
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 01:41 PM

"I'm really glad I'm not likely to run into any of you."
Ah but Jeri, how do you know that?
.....................................................................
".. purely as a matter of interest, what would you think of people who took over a Nic Jones thread in the way that some, including yourself, have on here?"

Lizzie,you asked for a recipe for Hypocrite Pie - so, first take one hypocrite...........................................................
you have quite frequently taken over threads which had been proceeding in a very straightforward, serious and interesting manner, and littered them with your smilies, and inane links to Myspace pages, or websites with no thought to what the actual intent or content of the thread was. The words "pot" "kettle" and "black" spring very much to mind.... As with most of your allegations, the principle culprit is actually yourself - but it seems that you can't pluck out the mote in your own eye.

Truth to tell I've been finding the recipes much more interesting and far more entertaining than the majority of the other postings you have placed on this thread! I suspect the words "sense of humour" have no meaning with you.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 01:47 PM

SPATCHCOCKED CHARLOTTE POTIATES

1 kilo pack of Charlotte potiates (reduced or twoferone @ Sainsburys
1 steamroller

Place in line on ground
Start up steamroller
Go forwards over potiates

(Plotline nicked from The Archers, an everyday story of how to flavour milk with swedes)


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: GUEST,Devil's Advocate
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 01:48 PM

Oh heck George - all of a sudden that lamb doesn't sound quite as enticing. Any way of resurrecting the dish and restoring it to pristince condition again???


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 01:54 PM

Back to Greek Easter:

KOKORETSI:

When you got the lanb from the butcher, you should also have asked for its offal and intestines, separately.

Take two buckets full of water. Stick the small intestines in one bucket, slosh them, empty the water and refill and repeat 2-3 times till the water runs clear. Take a large knitting needle and use it to turn each piece of the intestine inside out. (I know that theoretically it should be all one piece, but it is delicate and can break) As you turn each piece, put it in the 2nd bucket. When you finished turning them, repeat the whole process from the start (slosh, empty and refill 2-3 times, then turn back to normal and drop into the first bucket - which you have filled with fresh water). Cover the bucket with the intestine and put aside.

Clean the lungs, liver, spleen and kidneys and cut them to plum size. Season very well with salt, pepper and oregano. Using a long skewer (4 foot or so, thickness of a knitting needle), thread the pieces on, alternating the organs as it were, and pack them TIGHT. When you're done, take the washed intestines, and wrap very well and tight around the pieces of offal on the skewer, again and again thill the whole thing is trussed in intestine. Tie the end securely, and season again the outside of your construction.

Put the skewer on supports over a medium BBQ fire (not too close) and turn fast for 30 minutes, then slow down and continue turning for another 45-60 minutes, basting with olive oil. Cut pieces off the skewer onto a plate, pour yourself a glass of ouzo and enjoy.

This is one of the side dishes on Greek Easter Sunday, as it clearly gets cooked well before the lamb is finished.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: GUEST,Devil's Advocate
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 01:54 PM

Sorry Countess but "Go forwards over potiates" - don't you need some special protective gear for that... I understood that they could be somewhat dangerous when cornered? I'm also concerned about the overall end effectI thought that they had armoured scales ... doesn't it make for a rather lumpy effect? Wouldn't you need a good lump hammer as well?

Re previous post "pristince" - a definite culinary technique, of course!


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 01:56 PM

Nah, I had the lamb covered, it's safe, I used one of Bernard Matthews' sheds.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 01:59 PM

Well, guestnotlizzie, if fair is fair perhaps you'll pm me and tell me who you are. And then I can explain the particular transgressions that have led us to such a nasty place. The idea that I was insulting Damien on any level is frankly laughable.



By the way, I'm not going to be asking for George's shit-covered lamb recipe.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: GUEST,Devil's Advocate
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 01:59 PM

Phew - nothing to worry about except bird flu then! That's a relief!


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: GUEST,Devil's Advocate
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 02:02 PM

Countess - I've just been having a think about the recipe for Charlotte Potiates - is there an essential difference in the flavour if the Potiates are actually full price and not reduced or twoferone?


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 02:04 PM

No, these are of the Charlotte variety.
And a steam roller is built like a Chieftain (get the 'music' allusion, though that is somewhat debateable) tank these days.
It might be a bit much for the internal organs, though, now that Goerge has mentioned them.
Potiate livers can be conserved as a delicacy and made into pat (can't be arsed to remember how to do an 'a circonflex').
But you do need rather a lot of them.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 02:12 PM

Look, I wiped it, good as new, Ruth!
(shouts) Lamb onna stick! Getyerlambonnastick 'ere! Pound a stick, and I'm cuttin' me own throat, I tell ya!
(Terry Pratchett has a lot to answer for)


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: GUEST,Devil's Advocate
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 02:14 PM

Sorry George (or should I call you Goerge from now on?)- but it HAS to be dear old sausageinnabun in that case... have you got any lamb and mint ones???


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 02:28 PM

Well I'm normally quite fussy about the provenance of my food, but for a quid, who can argue?

I'll take two.

That's supper sorted.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: GUEST,Sparticus
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 02:52 PM

George, that recipe for KOKORETSI sounds offal!


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 03:01 PM

don't you mean offally good?


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Sorcha
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 03:05 PM

Sounds like haggis to me......ducks and runs.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 03:07 PM

If that Guest was actually from Sparta he might have managed to call himself Spartacus.
Offal kebabs? Yummy with plenty of ouzo.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Blowzabella
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 03:26 PM

I'm having haggis for my tea tonight - just t hought I'd mention it.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: GUEST,Sparticus
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 03:30 PM

The "tic" is a medical condition countess.

If the potiates actually come from the ground you might have managed to call them potatoes.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 03:47 PM

My cat caught a tick once.
Methoprene got rid of it. (The tick, not the cat).
Try it.

Potiate: a vicious Venezuelan marsupial.
Why don't people read the thread?


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Folkiedave
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 04:12 PM

You know that is one of the things I like about Mudcat............

You read the threads and you learn so much. Well most people do........


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 04:21 PM

My daughter has been wanting a pet for some time. She now has her heart set on a potiate.

Does anyone know if they can be domesticated?


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Blowzabella
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 04:36 PM

If you are considering getting a potiate as a pet, please consider going to a reputable rescue centre, rather than buying from a breeder. Give a mistreated potiate a second chance for a forever home.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 04:37 PM

domesticated

Isn't that something those Greeks drink?
George?

Get her a tamagotchi.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: GUEST,Canadienne
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 04:41 PM

and remember - a potiate is not just for Christmas - they can be enjoyed for an Easter dinner too :)


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 04:43 PM

Sound advice, Blowzabella.

Do they need to be de-fanged and de-clawed before being introduced to a domestic environment?


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Blowzabella
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 04:48 PM

I would suggest so - unless you are an experienced handler - but the definite de-ing that needs doing is to prevent pots (the collective terms for a group of young) of unwanted potiates ... if you follow me.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 04:53 PM

I see...yes. I need to find a vet who specialises in neutering Venezuelan marsupials.

A tall order in Lincolnshire.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: GUEST,Canadienne
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 04:54 PM

and don't forget the potti training .......


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: GUEST,Canadienne
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 04:54 PM

Ruth - 5ft is "tall" in Lincolnshire !


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: GUEST,Devil's Advocate
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 05:08 PM

Never mind the Venezuelan potiates - what about the Swaziland cross variety - a much gentler and sophisticated beast, with delicate markings ,and no need to de-fang. Evolution has worked such wonders with them ! Safe with children ... well nearly... but good guard potiates as well. You never need to worry about mad intruders with them - just don't give them water after midnight!


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: GUEST,Devil's Advocate
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 05:20 PM

It is, of course, a little known fact that the name of the potiate is derived from the Italian verb "to prune". Although the beasts are principally thought of as carnivores, the long fangs were originally used for herbivorous purposes, and they were kept in smallish herds in order to keep the grass down in the Venezuelan meadows - which in turn provided them with that succulent grass fed flavour when the Venezuelan farmers turned to breeding them for meat.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: GUEST,Ralph Jordan
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 05:31 PM

Qoute from Ms Cornish (aka Mrs Route)

"Ralph, purely as a matter of interest, what would you think of people who took over a Nic Jones thread in the way that some, including yourself, have on here?

Anyone have any recipes for Hypocrite Pie at all?"

Liz.

I have been warned not to respond to your posting.
But, I can't resist a little repost.
All I can say is that you are not worthy to even speak the name of Nic Jones..... Do you know him?? Have you ever heard his work??
Didn't think so....
You can have a dig at me and others, but don't take Nics name in vain.

Who do you think you are?
Some sort of valiant knight, fighting the good fight on behalf of you little friends to keep Old England English????

Nic, even 25 years on, has more talent and humanity in his little finger than you have in your whole body.


Life,Get,A.....re arrange.
Not Big, Not Clever.

Stop It, and Go Away.

I normally say Regards at this point.
But, tonight, I can't.
When I come to play At Sidmouth Fest this August, I'd keep out of my way, if I were you.

Ralph Jordan


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Sorcha
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 10:52 PM

Folks, she hasn't gotten it. She doesn't get it. She never will get it. My personal response to her is...I'm outta her. If ya'll do the same she'll have to talk to herself. How utterly boring. Let's let her do that for a bit, eh?

Smilie Pie

Take 3 million smilies. Mince fine. Lard well with pork fat.
Fry several tear inducing onions in fake butter. Garlic optional.
Mix with some flower. Slap between hands til shown well.
Add plastic flower seeds to suit.
Bake in a Sidmouth oven (a Whitby will work in a pinch) til nearly burnt, turn out for the masses. They shall natter about it for yonks.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 12:19 AM

Sorcha, I fear you're right.
Of course she won't get it.
But well said.

While you're at it though, bake a nicer cake for Ralphie.
One that says 'Congratulations'.
And thanks from us all.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 02:48 AM

It's a well-known fact that the Swaziland-cross potiate's principle food source is the Smilie pie. Sorch, is there any chance you could ship a few post haste? We take delivery of the new addition to our family later on today. *beams proudly*

Can't wait to meet the little darling!


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 03:01 AM

"Ruth - 5ft is "tall" in Lincolnshire !"

Come and visit, C - you'll be a giant!

:D


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 04:53 AM

Well Ralph,

At least your words are there for everyone to see.

I'm very glad I didn't say them.

As always you've done nothing but attack me. I've no idea why you suddenly changed from being 'Jolly Ralph' to this one, but I prefer you as you used to be way back.

Use your words to wound if that's what you think words are for. Personally I should think that Nic Jones would be ashamed of those words of yours above.

I know other people who are also very close to Nic, and they never would dream of using words like that to me....or indeed to anyone else.

I'd suggest you start putting more love into your soul than hatred.
And that goes for your pals too.

Why, when you kept putting similar messages to that on the BBC, you have been allowed to remain on there, whilst I've been banned, despite the fact that not once did I respond to you 'in kind' or should that be 'in unkind' I've no idea......

But, that is the way of the BBC these days.

I wish you well


Lizzie


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: GUEST,The Hackney Martian Fan
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 05:02 AM

Perhaps it's because Ralphie says it once, Lizzie says it ad infinitum, ad nauseam.

Qeb?zog


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Folkiedave
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 05:08 AM

I am tending towards starting to think that I might somehow get around to the idea that I agree with Sorcha on this.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: GUEST,Devil's Advocate
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 05:34 AM

"Well Ralph, At least your words are there for everyone to see."

And I suspect that's what you intended, wasn't it Lizzie? You're very adept at picking on points which mean something to your target, and then pushing the button, standing back and waiting to see what happens.

"I'm very glad I didn't say them."
But you engineered them and deserved them!

"As always you've done nothing but attack me"
Most untrue. It takes a lot of provoking to result in an outburst like that... and you do do a lot of that, don't you!

"I'd suggest you start putting more love into your soul than hatred.
And that goes for your pals too."

Heed your own words - oh and by the way, you keep referring to "Ralphie and his pals", as though they come as a ready made item and that Ralph is the "leader of the pack". Totally ridiculous! Before you started having a go at quite a few of us individually I don't think we knew each other or knew OF each other - and indeed some of us still don't.

Now back to the potiates....


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: GUEST,The Hackney Martian Fan
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 05:51 AM

Potiates? We have them where I come from, delicious grated with a little Flavian pobble bean and baked in a slow oven for 4 days.

3 potiates in their jackets (unless the jacket is tweed, in which case, peel carefully, VERY carefully).
1 gudge of Flavian pobble beans, shelled.
1 thermo-nuclear device.

Prepare the pobble beans in the usual way, but instead of flaying them, grate them over a bowl of soapy water.

Wash and grate the potiates, simmer in their own juices and when slightly brown, add the pobble beans.

Place in a flameproof bunker and bury bunker under several thousand gudges of soil and rubble. Add the thermo-nuclear device.

After 4 days, dig out your bunker and your potiates will be ready.

Enjoy.


Qeb?zog


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: GUEST,Devil's Advocate
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 06:24 AM

Sorry HMF - sounds a rather difficult recipe to follow. For starters, they don't have any thermo-nuclear devices in my local Sainsbury's - would really HOT chilli powder do instead??


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: GUEST,The Hackney Martian Fan
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 06:28 AM

I suppose the chilli powder might work.

Or try Morrisons, they'll sell almost anything.

Qeb?zog


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 06:45 AM

Ralph, Diane and Ruth all know each other. Ralph admitted to 'ganging up' going on, on the BBC thread...the David Gilmore one for your information DA.

Also, I did not engineer anything, merely put the question to Ralph.
I like to talk about artists that I like to talk about, and I have a right to...as does anyone else.

I have never interrupted any of Ralph's threads about Nic, or anyone else....

However, as I said to Dave earlier...you are at liberty to take my words, twist them and use them for your own spinning tactics.

I actually wanted Ralph to answer my question, that's all. And the question I asked was:

"Ralph, purely as a matter of interest, what would you think of people who took over a Nic Jones thread in the way that some, including yourself, have on here?"

He chose not to answer that question at all, but to personally attack me, yet again. It was ENTIRELY his choice to do that.

I'd suggest, once more, that he works out what his, imo, obsessive problem with me is and sorts it out as this behaviour will end up making him poorly.

I will not stop writing about the people I want to write about, despite Ralph Jordan throwing a complete wobbly every time I dare to mention the name of Show of Hands or Seth Lakeman.

Get over it guys.

And then...realise that no amount of your bullying will get to me. You only serve to show yourselves up in the eyes of those who read messageboards, but never write on them.

"No one can make you feel inferior without your consent." - Eleanor Roosevelt

NONE of you have my consent.

Lizzie


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: GUEST,Ralph Jordan
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 09:00 AM

Lizzie.
Would love to react. But I choose not to.
Ralph


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: GUEST,Cranny Faddock
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 09:03 AM

SouthWestern Troll Pudding.

Ingredients : first things that come into your head.

Preparation: pour everything into a large bowl and stir and stir and stir. (If being filmed, ensure that hands are prominently shown).
Cooking: place bowl in oven for as long as you like. Pudding can be reheated.
Servings: a little goes a long way and can be doled out to serve hundreds if not thousands.
Warning - this meal can make many people feel nauseous so toilet facilities must be provided.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 09:14 AM

OK.Liz. Here we go go.
If I had started a thread re Mr Jones, and it had been hijacked in a culinary manner.
Bonza!!
We'd have got a lot of recipes. Hurrah!!
Sorry, haven't mentioned SOH, Seth etc.
Best leave now.....not wanted on voyage.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 09:22 AM

"Cover the bucket with the intestine"

Hey George, isn't that stretching it a bit?


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 09:26 AM

Too right, I meant "...containing the intestine..."! You cover it with an old sack.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 09:28 AM

Whoops, dropped the biscuit...


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 09:50 AM

It's OK - 2 minute rule...

"You cover it with an old sack"

Preferably not the one your wide is wearing today....


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Surreysinger
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 09:51 AM

>dropped the biscuit...
Is that actually part of the recipe then George?? I suppose you would need something like breadcrumbs to pad it out a bit, but does biscuit crumb work in the same way??


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 09:58 AM

er, I didn't mean that your wife is wide, George...

Reminds me - this IS a music forum...


Mt wife is wide, I cannot get oer
Neither have I wings to fly
But first it bent and then it broke
So did my love prove false to me

I reached my finger into some soft bush
Thinking the fairest flower to find
But not so deep as the love I'm in
I know not if I sink or swim

I pricked my finger to the bone
And left the fairest flower behind
But love grows old and waxes cold
And fades away like the morning dew

or something like that...


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Surreysinger
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 10:30 AM

Hey - this is a recipe thread!!! :-)


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 01:01 PM

No it's not - it's a pets thread.

Or potiate has arrived! He's called Steve. He's the cutest thing! But the teeth are a little scary...


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: GUEST,Canadienne
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 01:19 PM

awww Ruth . . . . . he's . . . . . .sorta sweet


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Surreysinger
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 01:57 PM

Canadienne - I think you're mistaken... that's not like the potiate that I was shown earlier on today... looks to me as if someone has sold you a pup!!!

Ruth - I trust that you are going to be careful when getting to know Steve.. I reckon he's likely to be a bit scared in his new home to start with, and you know how when they're apprehensive they can be a little irrational... make sure you're using padded gloves when feeding him to start with. I'd hate to think of you coming to any harm!


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 02:01 PM

OW! OWWWWW! Wait...just get him...back in his cage...there!

*sigh*

Errr, yes. He's...sort of sweet. He's certainly, erm, making his mark...mind you, that Vanish Oxi gets most stains out...

Oh. That spot in the corner where he did his first whoopsie seems to be smoking....and the carpet would appear to be disintegrating...


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: GUEST,Pip Archer
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 02:02 PM

But, I love Steve.
XD.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: GUEST,ActuallySteve'sOverHere
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 02:05 PM

Lizzie, get with the program. This thread is no longer about you. (Though I'm sure you'll do your very best to change that)



It's all about Steve.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Surreysinger
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 02:28 PM

Ruth - I'm just a bit worried about the carpet now... if his whoopsie has that effect are you sure that you know what you're taking on?? And why is Josh being so silent - have you seen him in the last half an hour or so???


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Peace
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 02:50 PM

I always wonndered what a great big pile of horseshit would look like. After reading this thread, I now know.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 03:04 PM

Horseshit?
No, a potiate is not of the equine genus.
After reading this thread you now know how to cook lots of worthwhile things.
And seen madlizzie kicked into touch.
What more could you want?


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 03:27 PM

OOOOWWWWWWWW!!!!

*sounds of scuffling punctuated by occasional growls*


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 03:34 PM

Look at that! The little bugger even ate my cookie! You wouldn't believe what i've just gone through to get it back...

*removes saliva-sodden impregnable asbestos gauntlets*


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Scrump
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 03:36 PM

Whatever you lot are drinking, gimme a pint of summat else - yer stark starin' mad, the lot o' yez!


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 03:40 PM

It's pot(iate)een.
Obviously.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Surreysinger
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 03:44 PM

Ok Ruth - so we now know that domesticated potiates eat cookies - but WHERE'S JOSHIE? And how did Steve get out of his cage....are you sure those bars can hold him???

Scrump - it takes one to know one!!


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 03:48 PM

Oh go on Bruce you must have!
G.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 03:49 PM

Who the hell is Joshie?

OOOWWW!

*begins to weep gently*


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Surreysinger
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 03:59 PM

Who the hell is Joshie? Ruth, now I really AM worried ... is there something noxious in those fumes that he's been giving off... how could you forget your own SON??? Is this creature all he really seems?
Just to remind you


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 04:00 PM

Joshie is/was your son.
Has the potiate eaten him?
What about Ben?
Why don't I have a life outside of Ambridge?

** begins to weep not so gently**


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 04:09 PM

Oh, THAT Joshie. He and Ben are out in the barn with Deeyyyyvid, up to their vulnerable little elbows in the engine of the Massey. It's father-son bonding.

Deeeyyyyvid hasn't seen the potiate yet (you should hear how "potiate" sounds in my accent - it's hilarious). Actually, I'm getting a bit fed up of being constantly raked over the coals for not getting shagged in an Oxford Travelodge. I might just see if the potiate fancies a go at Deeeyyyyvid's Hassett Hills free range chipolata...


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Peace
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 04:10 PM

"Oh go on Bruce you must have!"

Not as deep as this.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Blowzabella
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 04:17 PM

Dum de dum de dum de dum dum de dum de dum dum ......


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 04:29 PM

I thought it was Tom who dealt in the free-range sausage trade.
Or maybe I just missed an episode.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 04:31 PM

How are you defining sausage CR?
G.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 04:34 PM

C;mon Giok, you must have heard all those product placement ads.
(Paid for with our licence fees . . . )


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Folkiedave
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 04:42 PM

Sorry Ruth but it is no wonder you didn't get shagged in the Oxford Travelodge.

Sam was in the Randolph where they do do flowers in the room - and champagne on tap. Not a thing you get in Travelodges. Allegedly.

I am not sure if you can order potiates.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 04:54 PM

The Randolph is oooooverrreyyytid. Allegedly.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 05:02 PM

Oh yes, it definitely is.
Went there once to report a strike against poverty wages and for union recognition.
My camera crew got thrown out.
Don't think they got champagne either, at any rate I didn't.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Folkiedave
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 05:13 PM

I am inclined to agree what you say about the Randolph.

But that is where Sam was waiting........


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Surreysinger
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 05:34 PM

Now look.... what happened to the recipes... I know we're all extremely excited that Ruth has managed to take on a tame (?? potiate and is currently whipping it into shape... but food people, food....


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 06:26 PM

Ummm, I reckon I'll be posting a potiate recipe quite soon...


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 06:27 PM

Had tea in the Randolph once... just the once.

LTS


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 06:28 PM

300!!

AND another person who's heard of the Martians!

How cool is that?!

LTS


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 06:51 PM

Hey Liz
Hackney Martians?????
Naaah. They were never a Housewives Choice!
Ralph xx


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Surreysinger
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 07:00 PM

Ralphie dear boy ... housewife in the singular... _Housewife's_ choice... if you're using it in the singular.. any Hackney Martina fule kno that!!!


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Surreysinger
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 07:01 PM

Or any Hackney Martian... I don't know any Martina's from round that way... do they play tennis in Hackney??


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 07:02 PM

Who is Hackney Martina??
Is she attractive?
R x


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 07:03 PM

Is she a friend of the Cambridge Heathen?
R x


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Surreysinger
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 07:20 PM

Is she attractive - does she SOUND attractive? Anyway, as I said, I've never been acquainted with any Martinas from Hackney. However, the Cambridge Heathen sounds interesting - is he good looking? Does he have a potiate? BTW - anybody yet seen a definitive pikky of a potiate... I'd love to know what Ruth is putting up with...


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 07:27 PM

Countess has 87 variant pictures.
Go ask!


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 07 Mar 07 - 03:42 AM

Spit-roasted Steve

1 Steve, skinned, drawn and scalded briefly in boiling water (this helps to remove any particularly tough bristles, but is also enormously satisfying)

breadcrumbs
1 egg
1 handful each of fresh thyme, rosemary and parsley
salt and pepper
2 crushed cloves of garlic

Mix all ingredients (except Steve) in a large bowl. Ram this stuffing up Steve's arse. Follow with a large skewer. Roast over an open fire, turning constantly. At this point you might like to sing something appropriate, such as "Abide With Me", particularly if your children have formed an emotional bond with Steve.

Steve should be served slightly pink, so about 45 minutes of roasting ought to be sufficient.

Grub's up!


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Surreysinger
Date: 07 Mar 07 - 05:29 AM

Hey - do we need to ring the RSPCP (Royal Society for the prevention of Cruelty to Potiates)? Is it as tasty as george's lamb?


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 07 Mar 07 - 06:01 AM

It's bloody lovely.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: GUEST,Canadienne
Date: 07 Mar 07 - 06:24 AM

R.I.P Steve


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Surreysinger
Date: 07 Mar 07 - 07:34 AM

ROFL!


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 07 Mar 07 - 07:39 AM

To sweeten him up, rub Steve with Stevia...


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 07 Mar 07 - 08:02 AM

A fitting tribute, Canadienne...very fitting.

*wipes away a small tear*

What's for pudding?


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: GUEST,Devil's Advocate
Date: 07 Mar 07 - 09:48 AM

How's Pip taking this Ruth? I'm now rather concerned for her.. as for pudding, I revert to the idea of Rich Fruit Fool.....
BTW- what does potiate (pronounced in the Italianate fashion, of course) taste like??


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 07 Mar 07 - 10:20 AM

Hey, just leave me out of it...


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 07 Mar 07 - 10:45 AM

So you admit to being rich and fruity do you Fooles??

LTS


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 07 Mar 07 - 11:19 AM

I don't pronounce it in the Italian fashion - I pronounce it in the Prudhoe fashion.

It tastes like chicken.

*picks up a spoon and follows Foolestroupe out of the room, whistling nonchalantly*


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: GUEST,Canadienne
Date: 07 Mar 07 - 11:35 AM

can't find a fruit fool will some silly vegetables do instead?


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 07 Mar 07 - 12:45 PM

There were three drunken carrots, came from the Isle of Wight?

LTS


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands (Recipes)
From: GUEST,Pip Archer
Date: 07 Mar 07 - 02:34 PM

I miss Steve.




=[.






But I still have the scars to remind me of him.

*Sobs*


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