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Tech: Grumble.. Windows Internet Explorer 7

freda underhill 25 Jan 07 - 08:13 AM
Scrump 25 Jan 07 - 08:33 AM
Black Diamond 25 Jan 07 - 09:14 AM
bfdk 25 Jan 07 - 09:27 AM
bfdk 25 Jan 07 - 09:29 AM
Les from Hull 25 Jan 07 - 09:42 AM
DMcG 25 Jan 07 - 09:53 AM
Stilly River Sage 25 Jan 07 - 10:03 AM
mack/misophist 25 Jan 07 - 10:16 AM
Cruiser 25 Jan 07 - 10:30 AM
Cluin 25 Jan 07 - 11:44 AM
nickp 25 Jan 07 - 12:01 PM
kendall 25 Jan 07 - 12:08 PM
Houston_Diamond 25 Jan 07 - 12:34 PM
HiHo_Silver 25 Jan 07 - 12:39 PM
Joe Offer 25 Jan 07 - 12:41 PM
Zhenya 25 Jan 07 - 01:55 PM
JohnInKansas 25 Jan 07 - 03:40 PM
JohnInKansas 25 Jan 07 - 03:48 PM
Cluin 25 Jan 07 - 04:03 PM
freda underhill 25 Jan 07 - 05:07 PM
GUEST,Ed 25 Jan 07 - 05:30 PM
freda underhill 25 Jan 07 - 05:34 PM
JohnInKansas 25 Jan 07 - 05:48 PM
GUEST 25 Jan 07 - 07:34 PM
JohnInKansas 25 Jan 07 - 08:56 PM
Liz the Squeak 26 Jan 07 - 02:46 AM
JohnInKansas 26 Jan 07 - 03:21 AM
Liz the Squeak 26 Jan 07 - 05:01 AM
JohnInKansas 26 Jan 07 - 05:28 AM
Manitas_at_home 26 Jan 07 - 10:13 AM
McGrath of Harlow 26 Jan 07 - 07:04 PM
kendall 26 Jan 07 - 07:21 PM
JohnInKansas 26 Jan 07 - 11:10 PM
freda underhill 27 Jan 07 - 06:54 PM
Bill D 27 Jan 07 - 11:20 PM
cptsnapper 28 Jan 07 - 05:03 AM
My guru always said 28 Jan 07 - 06:24 AM
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Subject: Tech: Grumble.. Windows Internet Explorer 7
From: freda underhill
Date: 25 Jan 07 - 08:13 AM

Story so far..

I have been happily using Windows XP for a few years. A week or so ago my computer system prompted me to install updates, and I found myself downloading Windows Internet Explorer 7. I didn't use my computer for a few days, and came home this evening to use it and found that the new Windows Internet Explorer 7 was installed, but was frozen, in fact my whole computer was catatonic. (luckily I've also installed Firefox, but that too was initially paralysed). After turning it off & on, & I deleted Windows Internet Explorer 7 from my system and its now chugging away happily again using the old XP.

I'm still not sure whether that update was the real thing, or whether I unknowingly downloaded a virus. So I googled "Windows Internet Explorer 7 virus" - and google bought up a link saying "News results for Windows Internet Explorer 7 virus". When I went to that link, the screen went black, the computer turned itself off and when I turned it back on again told me that the system had recovered from a serious error.

Has anyone had a similar experience? Did I download a virus masquerading as an update?

freda


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Subject: RE: Tech: Grumble.. Windows Internet Explorer 7
From: Scrump
Date: 25 Jan 07 - 08:33 AM

With software products as efficient and reliable as Microsoft's, who needs viruses? :-)


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Subject: RE: Tech: Grumble.. Windows Internet Explorer 7
From: Black Diamond
Date: 25 Jan 07 - 09:14 AM

Hi Freda
Im not a techy so cant actually help you on the virus thing, but I downloaded that update at work, and although the computer worked as usual, it wouldnt go on the internet at all. However my IT support told me that this new Explorer is full of little quirks, and if I were to physically pull out the electric supply cable to the router, and then put it back in, it should then work OK - and lo and behold it did!! Apparently loads of people had problems and he was busy sorting them all out.
I know this doesnt help your problem, but you are not alone
Lin


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Subject: RE: Tech: Grumble.. Windows Internet Explorer 7
From: bfdk
Date: 25 Jan 07 - 09:27 AM

I was offered the update a few days back but politely declined. I think the product is genuine (from Windows Update), but I just didn't feel like undertaking an update of my mail program without having a back-up of old mails, address book etc. Having heard your story I shall think even harder before accepting the update when next I'm prompted ;-)

Best wishes,

Bente


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Subject: RE: Tech: Grumble.. Windows Internet Explorer 7
From: bfdk
Date: 25 Jan 07 - 09:29 AM

Oops, seems I'm writing in my sleep here.. Suddenly can't remember if it was IE or Outlook Express I was offered.. Sorry!


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Subject: RE: Tech: Grumble.. Windows Internet Explorer 7
From: Les from Hull
Date: 25 Jan 07 - 09:42 AM

Well I'm using IE7, no problems at all. I much prefer it to earlier versions - it's got tabs for multiple webpages, easy zoom levels and many things that its competitors had. And it cost nowt. I'm sure that more people will take care to make sure that their websites are compatible with this Microsoft product than any other.

Look, I know that it's trendy and cool to knock Microsoft and its products, but I didn't get where I am today by being trendy and cool!


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Subject: RE: Tech: Grumble.. Windows Internet Explorer 7
From: DMcG
Date: 25 Jan 07 - 09:53 AM

When I downloaded IE7, my VPN connection stopped working and reboots the PC if I try. As I don't use VPN from that PC very often I can't be 100% sure IE7 is responsible, but I can't think of many other things it could be. Admittedly, CISCO have a more up-to-date version of the VPN client available, but the old one worked happily up to now.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Grumble.. Windows Internet Explorer 7
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 25 Jan 07 - 10:03 AM

You can uninstall IE7 and revert back to your IE6 settings. There have been discussions here at Mudcat about how to do it. I have IE7 on my work computer and find it rather odd looking. My computer downloaded the update automatically, but I knew it was coming soon and when it queried me to install I looked to see what was there and unchecked IE7. So I have the program in the computer but it isn't installed, and isn't likely to be any time soon.

SRS


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Subject: RE: Tech: Grumble.. Windows Internet Explorer 7
From: mack/misophist
Date: 25 Jan 07 - 10:16 AM

When dealing with windows update, or any other sensitive site, it's a good idea to ignore any link offered by a second party and enter the url yourself. Phishing and spoofing, you know. Even if the links always seem correct it's good policy not to trust them.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Grumble.. Windows Internet Explorer 7
From: Cruiser
Date: 25 Jan 07 - 10:30 AM

No problems here with IE7.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Grumble.. Windows Internet Explorer 7
From: Cluin
Date: 25 Jan 07 - 11:44 AM

IE7 stopped my MusicMatch Jukebox Player (a program I actually paid for) from working so I uninstalled it and went back to IE6. That was the only beef I had with 7, but that was enough.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Grumble.. Windows Internet Explorer 7
From: nickp
Date: 25 Jan 07 - 12:01 PM

IE7 works for me on XP but I'm not sure if I prefer it to 6. I also have Firefox and can't make up my mind on that either.

I used to be indecisive, now I'm not so sure.

Nick


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Subject: RE: Tech: Grumble.. Windows Internet Explorer 7
From: kendall
Date: 25 Jan 07 - 12:08 PM

I had the same problem, but with good advice on the forum I was able to solve the problem. I don't do updates anymore.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Grumble.. Windows Internet Explorer 7
From: Houston_Diamond
Date: 25 Jan 07 - 12:34 PM

IE6 is just as bad as any Microsoft based software; it'll take 3 times longer to do anything than other equally as good software. IE6 needs internet security software to protect your computer cos they let people who have enough coding savvy to create active x components to feck with your pc (such as installing trojans or viruses or even phishing pages!)

IE7 attempted to take on board all the parts of Firefox browser but then (in what they call improvements) destroyed a large part of functionality.

Try printing a high resolution page on IE6 and see how much of the page was missed in the print?!? IE6 doesn't word wrap on printing!!! IE7 developers took on board the Firefox printing capabilities which allows word wrap and page reduction to let a page and ˝ to be reduced to one page or vice versa.

IE7 reduces the chances of Phishing pages and (although heavily paranoid) controls active x installations.

I would recommend NOT using IE6 ever and to choose Mozilla Firefox or Opera browsers if you don't want IE7 (Although Opera does everything far better and faster than IE or Firefox and it's free).

Your PC freezing maybe due to a corrupt download of files relating to IE7 or an issue with your firewall.

If you believe there is an issue of a virus I would suggest running a full system scan with the latest updates from your antivirus software or go to http://housecall.trendmicro.com/ where you can perform an online antivirus scan.

Houston :-)


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Subject: RE: Tech: Grumble.. Windows Internet Explorer 7
From: HiHo_Silver
Date: 25 Jan 07 - 12:39 PM

I have IE7 installed. So far, it has been completely reliable and quite nice to work with. However, was just as happy with IE6.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Grumble.. Windows Internet Explorer 7
From: Joe Offer
Date: 25 Jan 07 - 12:41 PM

I'm using IE7 with no problems. I like the tabbed browsing, even if it's an idea they stole from Firefox. The previous version of Firefox was getting quirky for me, so I decided to try IE7. I'll probably go back to Firefox when I get a new computer with sufficent hard drive space for two browsers. Space is really at a premium for me now, and I've removed everything I can from my C:/ drive.
One XP update - I think it was Service Pack 2 - left a lot of backup stuff on my C:/ drive, and I can't delete it and can't figure out why I can't.
-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Tech: Grumble.. Windows Internet Explorer 7
From: Zhenya
Date: 25 Jan 07 - 01:55 PM

Like SRS, I knew IE7 was coming, and put off the installation for quite awhile by unchecking the update box. However, I finally did install it about 10 days ago or so.

So far it's been working fine, and not messing up other programs. (Note: I do have Musicmatch 10, and that's working fine, but apparently earlier versions of Musicmatch will not work with IE7, per discussion on other websites.)

I generally like it, but I immediately customized it. If it looks strange to you, one thing you can do is go to the Tools Tab, and use the dropdown menu. There's an item for menu bar (I'm doing this from memory since I'm at work, not at home to actually check the exact wording of this item.) If you click that on, it will show your old menu from IE6 on the second line from the top. I've decided to leave that on for the time being, while I get used to the new program layout, and I may in fact leave it there permanently. (So much for IE7 giving you a more uncluttered desktop – now I have two of everything like Favorites, etc., on the screen.)

The Help button, which I definitely use on a new program, was so far over to the right that it was initially off-screen. I customized the toolbar, got rid of several icons and rearranged, which has made IE7 much easier to use comfortably.

I do like the tabbed browsing, but it's not second nature yet, so sometimes I forget to use it, and end up with extra windows anyway.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Grumble.. Windows Internet Explorer 7
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 25 Jan 07 - 03:40 PM

I've had no real proglems with IE7, although it does take a while to get used to some of its quirks.

As noted, going to tools and checking "Menu Bar" will give you the File-Edit-View-Favorites-Tools-Help toolbar you're accustomed to. Everything that's there is "elsewhere," at one or more of the default icons.

I found it initially a bit confusing that several things appear, seemingly at random, on several different icons. If you happen to find the button for something that you do often, in a place where it's "clumsy" to get to, you can often find the same button, or another one that looks different but opens the same function, in another more convenient(?) place.

Also, don't miss the little >> arrow at the right, which opens an "extension" of the default toolbar (like the same symbol on Google toolbar, if you have that, or at the bottom on the Quick Start section of the start bar). "Help" is out on the extension, probably because Microsoft figured out that nobody ever looks at it anyway.

With IE6, one had to separately load the popup blocker and phishing filter, and managing them was sort of "mystic seance experience" since they were "separated functions." They both are integrated into IE7, and shortcut buttons to the main functions are at the top of the "Tools" drop-down, which I do find handy. Most users will have little reason to use the new buttons, since the blockers automatically pop up a warning when a site tries to use an add-on, and you can deal with them from the warning popup.

John


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Subject: RE: Tech: Grumble.. Windows Internet Explorer 7
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 25 Jan 07 - 03:48 PM

SIDE NOTE:

To avoid future confusions, every student should stay after school and write 100 times on the chalkboard "EXPLORER is a meaningless term."

WINDOWS EXPLORER, is what most WinOS drivers mean when they say just "Explorer." That's where you manage files on your computer.

INTERNET EXPLORER is the default Browser for Widows. The shorthand name is IE, and since versions vary a lot, IE6 or IE7 should be used to tell people which you're using.

If you have any contact with MSN - which doesn't mean you use them on purpose, you may also see offers to install MSN EXPLORER, which is "another browser" that can(?) replace INTERNET EXPLORER. I have no idea whether it's any good, but past MSN EXPLORER versions have been so "buggy" that I carefully refuse to look at it. (They may have improved it, but they haven't apologized for what they did when Win98 was new. My shit-list is very short, but they're still on it.)

There are several other "Explorer" programs, but they're rarely seen by civilized users.

John


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Subject: RE: Tech: Grumble.. Windows Internet Explorer 7
From: Cluin
Date: 25 Jan 07 - 04:03 PM

They call them all Explorer because they know you're gonna get lost.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Grumble.. Windows Internet Explorer 7
From: freda underhill
Date: 25 Jan 07 - 05:07 PM

Thank you everyone who has responded – this has been extremely helpful. I re-read my request and realised i left out about 1hr of helpless frustration, (turning the computer off & on, not being able to access favourites or open any internet files, seeing my computer's doom in front of me with any empty wallet..) It was also very good to find out others have been there..

I'm pleased to hear that IE7 has been completely reliable for some, but not ready to go through the process yet. Have learnt some very handy hints about entering urls myself, and new words - Phishing and spoofing,

I've now copied Housecallfree anti virus checker - this advice came just at the right time as my other free virus checker (AVG) is trying to turn into a paid one. I was going to try XP's Service Pack 2 but have decided not to upload - if Joe can't work out how to get rid of it, I certainly won't be able to either!

I think the most outstanding advice came from JiKansas re the default Browser for Widows (this could come in handy!)

thanks everyone, i appreciate all your advice & assistance!

freda


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Subject: RE: Tech: Grumble.. Windows Internet Explorer 7
From: GUEST,Ed
Date: 25 Jan 07 - 05:30 PM

If you want a good (free) browser, may I suggest Opera.

It has (IMO) a better tabbed implementation than Firefox and much more besides. It doesn't work for my online banking site (maybe a good thing!) but I've got it to work everywhere else.

I recommend giving it a try.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Grumble.. Windows Internet Explorer 7
From: freda underhill
Date: 25 Jan 07 - 05:34 PM

thanks Ed, others have mentioned it too - I'll check it out!

freda


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Subject: RE: Tech: Grumble.. Windows Internet Explorer 7
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 25 Jan 07 - 05:48 PM

The only difficulty that I've had with IE7 is that on one specific website it seems that if I "open in new tab" the new page doesn't download until I actually click on that tab - but if I try to "open in new tab" more than one new page at the same time, opening "tab 3" before "tab 2" has been loaded, IE locks up and I have to start over from scratch.

This happens repeatedly, but ONLY AT MSNBC, so far as I've seen.

See above about MSN Explorer. MSN is NOT actually a "Microsoft company" and operates independently, although it's theoretically an "affiliate" in the corporate structure. MSN seems deliberately to violate the rules for Windows compatibility, and has been doing so for years.

I blame MSN, not IE7. It's a little more difficult to get the same result with IE6, but I've gone back and verified that the same incompatibility exists, opening more than one new Window using IE6 on "her" Win2K machine, without completely loading each page before opening the next, usually locks everything up.

John


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Subject: RE: Tech: Grumble.. Windows Internet Explorer 7
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Jan 07 - 07:34 PM

I never said I was having problems with IE7, in fact it far supersedes it's predecessor since most of it came from Firefox. I do still state that you are inviting danger using IE5 or IE6 because of the active x capabilities and other issues that are exploitable by rogue internet users.

Microsoft have always been a target to extremist coders who feel they are benefiting by pointing out the flaws with Microsofts' software.

For these reasons and because it's sooo much faster plus secure I suggest using Opera browser found at http://www.opera.com/.

The best free antivirus I know for home users is Avast AV (http://www.avast.com/), which keep up with virus definitions as quick as McAfee, Norton, Panda, etc...

The problem you face Freda is we don't know your hardware setup, which could have problems with updates if the updates were designed for machines with faster busses and processing or larger RAM or graphics memory specifications.

It's more likely that the software designer was aiming for MS Windows SP2 users so issues may arrise where files that are needed for IE7 will be missing!!!

Good luck... but hey.. the most important thing is you can access Mudcat.org ;p lol

Houston


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Subject: RE: Tech: Grumble.. Windows Internet Explorer 7
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 25 Jan 07 - 08:56 PM

Currently it's my understanding that you MUST HAVE WinXP SP1 in order to get automatic downloads of CRITICAL patches to WinXP. If you get automatic downloads, IE7 will come with one of the recent ones.

SP2 for WinXP is strongly recommended, since it combines all prior patches, eliminates some conflicts between earlier patches, and equips you to continue to receive later updates.

Win2K is the only Windows OS, other than WinXP**, that can receive automatically distributed updates. To get automatic downloads for Win2K you must have Win2K SP4 installed. With Win2K it depends to some extent how your machine is configured, whether updates can install themselves automatically or whether you have to do the installation step manually.

Whether you use another browser or not, Windows Explorer is an integral part of Windows and it MUST be present on your machine for Windows (any version) to operate correctly. For that reason, you should have IE6, with latest patches, or IE7 installed, even if you don't use it, and you need to install updates to your chosen IE - whether you use it for browsing or choose another browser.

All recent versions of IE allow you to turn off J-Script and Active-X, which are the plug-ins frequently cited as "vulnerable" when browsing with IE. IE6 makes it a little simpler to manage turning them on selectively in the few cases where they're actually needed. IE7 further simplifies managing them. All the other browsers that you can substitute must have the ability to use these plugins, and require you to manage them, if you're going to benefit from what they can do for you.

With IE6 you probably can still get the beta versions of popup blocker, bad download blocker, and possibly the anti-phishing plugin, but they're separate installations and sometimes puzzling to manage in that form. You also have to go look for them, if you think you want them. With IE7 these are all integrated, with appropriate management tools. From what I've seen thus far, they operate seamlessly and unobtrusively in IE7.

** Server 2003 can also qualify for auto downloads of updates, but I'd assume those using it will know the details.

John


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Subject: RE: Tech: Grumble.. Windows Internet Explorer 7
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 26 Jan 07 - 02:46 AM

Manitas upgraded ours this week. Now I can't send any emails. I can receive them still, but can't reply. It tells me I'm not connected and I've got an invalid address.

I can't even get into my Yahoo account... it's completely jammed and won't accept any variation of addresses or passwords. So if anyone is sending me anything, I may be a while getting back to you!

LTS


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Subject: RE: Tech: Grumble.. Windows Internet Explorer 7
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 26 Jan 07 - 03:21 AM

There are reports in the Microsoft Knowledge Base about a couple of AOL programs that aren't compatible, with some computers, but I haven't heard of any from Yahoo like that. Maybe they've blocked your sending 'cause of that SPAM you've been putting out ;-(

Seriously, a change in your login might make them think you've been robotized, and some services will block sending until they decide you're safe. I don't know how one gets help from Yahoo, but with hotmail the only way is to send them an email if your email isn't working.

John


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Subject: RE: Tech: Grumble.. Windows Internet Explorer 7
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 26 Jan 07 - 05:01 AM

We didn't change our Email or logins... we just couldn't get them any more. The Outlook worked perfectly well on Monday but not on Thursday.

LTS


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Subject: RE: Tech: Grumble.. Windows Internet Explorer 7
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 26 Jan 07 - 05:28 AM

It sounds like it's probably a login problem, although it's hard to see how the updates would cause that. If you're accustomed to using "remember me" settings when you hook up, sometimes losing or corrupting the preset can cause mysterious mis-identity problems, much like a crumbled cookie here.

I really can't offer anything helpful. Just thought the spamming accusation might relax your mindset - and couldn't resist taking another dig at hotmail.

John


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Subject: RE: Tech: Grumble.. Windows Internet Explorer 7
From: Manitas_at_home
Date: 26 Jan 07 - 10:13 AM

It was due to the BTYahoo set up program changing the mail settings, in particular removing the 'My server requires authorisation settings'! All fixed.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Grumble.. Windows Internet Explorer 7
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 26 Jan 07 - 07:04 PM

Well, I saw someone write "It has (IMO) a better tabbed implementation than Firefox", whatever that means - but overall what, if any, significant advantages does it have over Firefox to set against the various hassles people seem to have had with it.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Grumble.. Windows Internet Explorer 7
From: kendall
Date: 26 Jan 07 - 07:21 PM

Why do I feel like I'm standing in the middle of a mine field and don't know which way to turn?


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Subject: RE: Tech: Grumble.. Windows Internet Explorer 7
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 26 Jan 07 - 11:10 PM

First consideration: If you're running Windows, you must have Internet Explorer installed. Quite a few things actually use it, where it's not obvious.

Second consideration: If you want to be safe, you have to keep your Internet Explorer up to date with security patches, whether you use it for web browsing or choose another browser.

Third consideration: If you keep both your Windows OS and IE up to date, most people don't have a lot of problems with IE.

As to the choice between IE6 or IE7, there's some advantage to the way some relatively new safety modules are incorporated in IE7, but most of those features can be added onto IE6 if you really want them there. There probably isn't a lot of difference in safety, for now, if your IE6 is current with available patches.

IE7 is sufficiently different that some "retraining" may be needed to find all the buttons, and learning how some of the new features work. You may, or may not, like it after you've given it a trial. It can be uninstalled to go back to IE6 if you choose to (but do ALWAYS use the Control Panel - Add Remove Programs to uninstall, if you do).

If you have problems with some kinds of "cranky hardware," sometimes including limited RAM, marginal processor, obsolete MB chipset, etc., or if you frequently visit sites where the sites are "less than fully compatible" with IE, you may find another browser accomodates the peculiarites of your setup and that makes the other browser more fun to use. You may also simply like another browser for the way it looks, feels, and strokes your tender pschotic ego psyche.

Do what makes you feel good.

John


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Subject: RE: Tech: Grumble.. Windows Internet Explorer 7
From: freda underhill
Date: 27 Jan 07 - 06:54 PM

Flashbacks...

Four days later and I'm going through this all over again. The Windows explorer 7 icon appeared on my screen (maybe my nephew downloaded it?) and everything froze. I've just been deleting every windows thing that has appeared since 20 January - and Service Pack 2 seems to have arrived somehow with various other little sidekicks - the computer is warning me that if i get rid of Service Pack 2 + sidekicks, i may lose/damage all my free antivirus programs + firefox.

I think its going to force me to get stop using windows explorer completely - and so far Service Pack 2 seems very reluctant to depart .. aaagghh!

I believe I'm developing PTSPD - Post Traumatic Service Pack Disorder!

freda

freda


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Subject: RE: Tech: Grumble.. Windows Internet Explorer 7
From: Bill D
Date: 27 Jan 07 - 11:20 PM

freda...do you MEAN "Windows Explorer"? Or do you mean the **BROWSER** (Internet Explorer)?

I see no need to even try to 'get rid of' the service pack 2. It has some useful security stuff..etc...

Now, the easiest way to browse and access Mudcat and such is to get Opera for your **browser**....Firefox is excellent, but you have to make more decisions with it. Opera is harder to tinker with.

" I've just been deleting every windows thing that has appeared since 20 January" What sort of things have appeared? and what do you mean 'deleting'? Just saying "no"?, or actually going in and deleting something? It is important to know some of the terminology in order to ask questions.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Grumble.. Windows Internet Explorer 7
From: cptsnapper
Date: 28 Jan 07 - 05:03 AM

I find that Netscape's a pretty good option. Mind you Internet Explorer's limited for me because I use a Mac.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Grumble.. Windows Internet Explorer 7
From: My guru always said
Date: 28 Jan 07 - 06:24 AM

Have you got Automatic Updates turned ON Freda? Maybe that's why it all keeps appearing. You could set it to 'Notify'.

I've had no problems with IE7, (nor with SP2) which is amazing considering all the grief I had with this PC a couple of years ago - I had to learn how to re-partition my hard drive and reload Everything in a hurry - big learning curve. Now I have automatic 'notification' instead of 'update' from Microsoft and choose which and when to download.

By the way, it's a good idea to keep a fairly recent backup of your email messages, address books, files & favourites etc - I do mine at least once a month. It can be done fairly easily through Windows Explorer & a CD or DVD burner if necessary - you just need to know the right paths.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Grumble.. Windows Internet Explorer 7
From: Fidjit
Date: 28 Jan 07 - 07:08 AM

Normal procedure.
1. Turn on the computer.
2 Put the kettle on, make a cup of tea.
3 Wander back to computer, tea in hand.

Bugger what's this?

I've just had the thing back at the shop.
Ohh, New update. Ok. IE7 OK.
Lets try that.

Oi what happened?

All black. Turn everything off

Ah back to IE6, that's better.

Yes I had trouble too. Welcome to the club.

Why don't they let me get on with what I've got?

Chas


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Subject: RE: Tech: Grumble.. Windows Internet Explorer 7
From: GUEST,Liz the Squeak sans cookie - IE7's fault??
Date: 28 Jan 07 - 07:22 AM

Kendall... in this minefield of yours, are you wearing your underpants?

If you are, stand still, the sniffer dog will get you soon. If not, you're dreaming, you can move freely and I suggest less cheese before bed.

LTS who can't get back in!


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Subject: RE: Tech: Grumble.. Windows Internet Explorer 7
From: Cluin
Date: 28 Jan 07 - 04:45 PM

I can turn Windows Automatic Updates off or reset it to notify, but if it is set to any other option than "Automatic" my Norton System works nags the shit out of me to turn it back on. Best I can do is set the Download/Install time to Sunday at 3:00 AM. The lack of options in NSW to turn this nag off bugs my ass.

And I went to the Windows Update site and selected the IE7 Update as "hidden" to avoid installing it again. Another thing that bugs me is Microsoft deciding the IE7 upgrade was a "Critical Update" thus putting it in the queue for automatic download and install by default. It should be an optional download, like the Windows Media Player upgrades are.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Grumble.. Windows Internet Explorer 7
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 28 Jan 07 - 07:04 PM

Cluin -

Norton should not "bug you" about turning on Windows updates.

Norton will bug you about turning on NORTON updates.

Windows will bug you about turning on NORTON updates.

You can choose whether or not Windows will remind you about Windows updates.

IE7 is considered a Critical update, largely because it incorporates several features that are "beta versions" if you add them to IE6, and a lot of people hadn't figured out they were available and helpful. There is an improved "cookie blocker," an "anti-phishing" plugin, and a "suspect site" identifier that can be quite helpful. The suspect site identifier in particular requires that a larger percentage of users have it and use it, but potentially will be a very good deal as site data is tracked better. Most users who have installed IE7 probably have agreed to the OPTION of allowing the site validator and anti-phishing utilities to provide data to Microsoft about sites visited, but that's entirely optional, and can be turned off by those who are paranoid.

There are some additional things relating to security that are incorporated in IE7 that are not available for IE6, but at present there doesn't appear to be a significant difference in security if your IE6 is current. It's helpful, with IE6, if you've picked up a couple of the beta features, but not really mandatory. With IE7 you can easily turn off any of these as well.

Control of some features that you can have with either IE6 or IE7 is much easier with IE7 - once you learn where the controls are, and future patching likely will be simpler and more complete with IE7.

John


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Subject: RE: Tech: Grumble.. Windows Internet Explorer 7
From: Houston_Diamond
Date: 05 Feb 07 - 04:48 PM

Well... I am now running Vista so I guess it's IE7 from now on whether I like it or not but... It runs sooo much better on Vista than on XP SP2 (mind you that might be to do with my hardware setup!!!)

I have only one issue with Firefox which hangs waiting for a page to open (not affected on IE7!?!) but it is only affected on a few sites. Perhaps Firefox developers will stop living in dreamland of their totally cross platform browser and sort the problem (b4 the 64bit becomes standard lol).

Really... it's difficult to diagnose a problem with your IE browser or OS without knowing what kind of hardware you are running... if you are running the bare minimum spec then there is an increased likely hood of the processor appearing to hang while it shifts stuff from physical to virtual memory.

As the software bloats more and more over a period of time and more background processes take place (due to virus and malware checking etc.) the demand on a system designed between 4 and 10 years ago will almost definately suffer.

finally... to LTS me dear friend... I have had problems in the past with Yahoo and their POP server which I could only resolve by logging on to their webmail server to switch it back on!!! no idea why it happens but hey that's the dynamic world of computers eh!?!?

Good luck
Houston


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Subject: RE: Tech: Grumble.. Windows Internet Explorer 7
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 05 Feb 07 - 10:00 PM

hmmm, that's a creative use of the word 'dynamic' I had not thought of...


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Subject: RE: Tech: Grumble.. Windows Internet Explorer 7
From: Cluin
Date: 05 Feb 07 - 11:09 PM

"Norton should not "bug you" about turning on Windows updates."

Oh yes it does! Norton Protection Center that is part of System Works gives me a nice big yellow exclamation mark in my taskbar system tray and a nice big popup nagging me to turn on automatic updates to "Automatic" and there's no way to stop it.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Grumble.. Windows Internet Explorer 7
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 06 Feb 07 - 12:44 AM

Cluin -

A NORTON AUTOMATIC UPDATE IS NOT THE SAME THING AS A WINDOWS AUTOMATIC UPDATE.
A NORTON AUTOMATIC UPDATE IS NOT THE SAME THING AS A WINDOWS AUTOMATIC UPDATE.
A NORTON AUTOMATIC UPDATE IS NOT THE SAME THING AS A WINDOWS AUTOMATIC UPDATE.
A NORTON AUTOMATIC UPDATE IS NOT THE SAME THING AS A WINDOWS AUTOMATIC UPDATE.

(is there an echo in here?)

Norton offers NORTON AUTOMATIC UPDATES if you have a valid subscription.

NORTON will nag you about turning on NORTON AUTOMATIC UPDATES if you turn it off.

Norton won't normally bug you about turning on WINDOWS AUTOMATIC UPDATES.

Windows (Win2K SP4 and WinXP SP2) offer WINDOWS AUTOMATIC UPDATES, or you can get MICROSOFT AUTOMATIC UPDATES that include all Microsoft programs, if you qualify and sign up for them.

Windows will NOTIFY YOU about WINDOWS AUTOMATIC UPDATES updates when they're downloaded so that you can install them, if they don't install automatically.

Windows (XP) will NAG you about your AV if it's not CURRENT or if it's turned off. Windows doesn't really care WHAT AV you have, but will try to encourage you to have a program and keep it up to date. The "Windows Nag" about AV is a RED shield in the System Tray.

Windows won't nag you about NORTON AUTOMATIC UPDATES since it DOESN'T CARE HOW YOU UPDATE, as long as you do it. Windows will only tell you that your AV is out of date, in about a week, if you turn off NORTON AUTOMATIC UPDATES, but only because your AV is obsolete or not working as it should.

If you're seeing a YELLOW !, it's Norton that's bugging you, not Windows.

John


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Subject: RE: Tech: Grumble.. Windows Internet Explorer 7
From: Cluin
Date: 06 Feb 07 - 10:36 AM

John,

I know the difference between a Windows Update and a Norton Update. I run the Norton LiveUpdate check first thing every day when I turn on the computer. And I am saying again that Norton SYSTEM WORKS 2006 (a suite that included NAV and Norton Utilities, Norton Cleanup and a few other utes) nags me about turning on Windows Automatic Update.

When the computer first boots up, the Norton Protection Center checks out the status of the computer, and checks whether my Windows Automatic Update is turned off (i.e. not set to the recommended AUTOMATIC setting). If it is set to anything other than Automatic, I get a naggy yellow exclamation mark in my system tray and a yellow-headered popup window informing me there is a problem (says"!Attention Required - 1 item is affecting your status) and provides a FIX NOW button to fix the problem. Clicking that button resets the Windows update to Automatic. Then, the popup is green with a nice green check mark and an announcement: "Norton Status: Good". No more yellow flashing (I forgot to say it flashes, just to be more naggy) exclamation point. Now Norton is happy.

At that point, I go to Control Panel > Security Center > Automatic Updates and see that it's set to Automatic (recommended). I reset it to the next level down--"Download updates for me but let me choose when to install them"-- and then the yellow naggy is back in my system tray and Norton Protection Center gets all pissy with me again until I reset Windows Update to Automatic again.

So I know it's Norton that's bugging me, but it IS bugging me about Windows Automatic Updates, believe me. And I've searched all through every option and menu in Norton Protection Center (the main boss of the suite) to try and turn off that nag, but there's no way.

I bought the Norton System Works suite because it included NAV and was cheaper than renewing my subscription for another year of updates/virus def files. But when the renewal dates comes around again, I'm uninstalling the whole shittin' match and switching to AVG. Norton used to be a good program, but I'm sick of the yearly bite and the finickyness of the software messing with everything else on the computer. A software update (which LiveUpdate sometimes downloads and installs) messes up my files associations every time too. It's caused me to have to shut off my spellchecker in my Outlook Express; instead of running the spellcheck, it prompts me to insert a Microsoft Works Suite disk to install Microsoft Picture-It (which is already installed) instead. I click cancel and the popup window prompts me 3 more times before it quits... spell checker is never run.

I've found if Norton isn't installed BEFORE everything else on the computer, it doesn't play nice. So, consequently, a software update to it at any later time wreaks hell with things. Norton's just not worth it anymore. The main thing I wanted was the Norton Utilities, especially for the defrag ute. But that doesn't even work so well anymore either.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Grumble.. Windows Internet Explorer 7
From: Cluin
Date: 06 Feb 07 - 01:09 PM

By the way, I have Norton's Automatice LiveUpdate turned off (I do it manually) and Norton doesn't nag me about that at all.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Grumble.. Windows Internet Explorer 7
From: Bernard
Date: 06 Feb 07 - 06:18 PM

An interesting situation I haven't managed to get to the bottom of yet...

My home PC and my work PC are identical models, except at work I use XP Pro (server based network) and at home I use XP Home (peer to peer network).

IE7 works fine on my home PC (although I had to turn off Webroot's Spy Sweeper before it would install properly), and it appears to install properly on my PC at work - until I come to run it for the first time after rebooting.

Then it hangs with no sign of any activity, and I eventually have to use the three finger salute to terminate it via Task Manager. After uninstalling it, IE6 works fine... so after three attempts I'm leaving it that way for now.

All the other PCs on our network are running it without any problems (although I haven't yet updated the 2003 Server), so it isn't likely to be a server permissions issue or the SonicWall router (with managed McAfee) giving me grief - and I'm the System Administrator...!

When I can find some time I'll try to suss out what's going on, but it's not high on my list of priorities!!

I got fed up with Norton's habits some time ago... it used to be such reliable (and cheap) software, but not any more. These days I use AVG free at home, and pay for SpySweeper on some machines, and am trying the free AVG AntiSpy on one...


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Subject: RE: Tech: Grumble.. Windows Internet Explorer 7
From: Cluin
Date: 06 Feb 07 - 06:21 PM

I am a longtime Norton user, since using Norton Utilities back in the DOS days on my old XP, but it's getting too bloated and propriatory like Windows itself.


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