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BS: Fred Phelps & 'God hates fags' organisation

Tom Hamilton frae Saltcoats Scotland 08 Jan 07 - 01:56 PM
Tom Hamilton frae Saltcoats Scotland 08 Jan 07 - 01:57 PM
Amos 08 Jan 07 - 01:58 PM
greg stephens 08 Jan 07 - 02:02 PM
Bee-dubya-ell 08 Jan 07 - 02:06 PM
Elmer Fudd 08 Jan 07 - 02:10 PM
Little Hawk 08 Jan 07 - 02:10 PM
Jerry Rasmussen 08 Jan 07 - 02:12 PM
Georgiansilver 08 Jan 07 - 02:13 PM
GUEST 08 Jan 07 - 02:13 PM
Peace 08 Jan 07 - 02:15 PM
Paul from Hull 08 Jan 07 - 02:22 PM
Don Firth 08 Jan 07 - 02:24 PM
kendall 08 Jan 07 - 02:39 PM
Bee-dubya-ell 08 Jan 07 - 02:41 PM
Little Hawk 08 Jan 07 - 02:42 PM
GUEST 08 Jan 07 - 02:44 PM
Don Firth 08 Jan 07 - 03:03 PM
Little Hawk 08 Jan 07 - 03:07 PM
GUEST 08 Jan 07 - 03:18 PM
IWTATBM 08 Jan 07 - 03:19 PM
Captain Ginger 08 Jan 07 - 03:20 PM
JeremyC 08 Jan 07 - 03:25 PM
Scoville 08 Jan 07 - 03:34 PM
Cluin 08 Jan 07 - 03:39 PM
Don Firth 08 Jan 07 - 03:40 PM
Cluin 08 Jan 07 - 03:46 PM
Richard Bridge 08 Jan 07 - 03:52 PM
kendall 08 Jan 07 - 04:11 PM
Wesley S 08 Jan 07 - 04:13 PM
GUEST,Wullie 08 Jan 07 - 04:15 PM
frogprince 08 Jan 07 - 04:38 PM
skipy 08 Jan 07 - 04:52 PM
Cluin 08 Jan 07 - 05:13 PM
Scoville 08 Jan 07 - 05:25 PM
Captain Ginger 08 Jan 07 - 05:28 PM
Don Firth 08 Jan 07 - 05:28 PM
GUEST,Observer 08 Jan 07 - 05:30 PM
Cluin 08 Jan 07 - 05:36 PM
Scoville 08 Jan 07 - 05:38 PM
Greg F. 08 Jan 07 - 05:43 PM
Gizmo 08 Jan 07 - 06:54 PM
GUEST,Scoville at Dad's (not GUEST) 08 Jan 07 - 07:48 PM
Robin June 08 Jan 07 - 10:12 PM
Robin June 08 Jan 07 - 10:17 PM
Cluin 08 Jan 07 - 10:21 PM
Rowan 09 Jan 07 - 12:30 AM
Little Hawk 09 Jan 07 - 12:38 AM
Cluin 09 Jan 07 - 12:41 AM
wysiwyg 09 Jan 07 - 02:12 AM
Slag 09 Jan 07 - 03:00 AM
Captain Ginger 09 Jan 07 - 03:08 AM
Slag 09 Jan 07 - 03:08 AM
Paul Burke 09 Jan 07 - 03:21 AM
Slag 09 Jan 07 - 03:34 AM
Paul Burke 09 Jan 07 - 04:06 AM
JeremyC 09 Jan 07 - 08:34 AM
jeffp 09 Jan 07 - 08:51 AM
John Hardly 09 Jan 07 - 08:53 AM
GUEST,Nun Smoker 09 Jan 07 - 09:25 AM
artbrooks 09 Jan 07 - 09:36 AM
Bill D 09 Jan 07 - 09:43 AM
Stilly River Sage 09 Jan 07 - 11:28 AM
Greg F. 09 Jan 07 - 02:27 PM
Scoville 09 Jan 07 - 03:20 PM
Wolfgang 09 Jan 07 - 03:56 PM
Stilly River Sage 09 Jan 07 - 04:19 PM
Richard Bridge 09 Jan 07 - 06:34 PM
Slag 10 Jan 07 - 03:00 AM
Paul Burke 10 Jan 07 - 03:20 AM
Captain Ginger 10 Jan 07 - 03:33 AM
Slag 10 Jan 07 - 03:36 AM
GUEST,wacko 10 Jan 07 - 04:46 AM
Scrump 10 Jan 07 - 05:34 AM
Paul Burke 10 Jan 07 - 06:26 AM
JeremyC 10 Jan 07 - 08:30 AM
Don Firth 10 Jan 07 - 07:28 PM
Tom Hamilton frae Saltcoats Scotland 11 Jan 07 - 09:20 AM
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kendall 11 Jan 07 - 09:30 AM
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Amos 11 Jan 07 - 10:46 AM
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Subject: BS: God hates fags
From: Tom Hamilton frae Saltcoats Scotland
Date: 08 Jan 07 - 01:56 PM

there is a crowd of dickheads in America that are called God hates fags, They say that they are Christains, and they are also saying the the wounded soldiers in America from Iraq God hates them as well and they also backed the terrorists that did the London bombings, and which that they had done more.

I'm a born again Christain I don't like these sort of 'humans'

what do you think


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Subject: RE: BS: God hates fags
From: Tom Hamilton frae Saltcoats Scotland
Date: 08 Jan 07 - 01:57 PM

I by the way don't hate fags.


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Subject: RE: BS: God hates fags
From: Amos
Date: 08 Jan 07 - 01:58 PM

I think the lot of them are nuttier than fruitcakes. It's one thing to have an imaginary playmate who provides benign advice. But using such an invention as a justification for cruelty and destruction is just psychotic.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: God hates fags
From: greg stephens
Date: 08 Jan 07 - 02:02 PM

I'm afraid I have no idea what God thinks about anything, and no idea how to find out either. So I think I'll just ignore this.


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Subject: RE: BS: God hates fags
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 08 Jan 07 - 02:06 PM

Wikipedia entry for Fred Phelps.


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Subject: RE: BS: God hates fags
From: Elmer Fudd
Date: 08 Jan 07 - 02:10 PM

"You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do." -- Anne LaMott


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Subject: RE: BS: God hates fags
From: Little Hawk
Date: 08 Jan 07 - 02:10 PM

God doesn't hate anyone.


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Subject: RE: BS: God hates fags
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 08 Jan 07 - 02:12 PM

Every group has its fringes. These folks are the knot on the end of the tassle. God wounta created gays if he didn't love them.

Jerry


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Subject: RE: BS: God hates fags
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 08 Jan 07 - 02:13 PM

We are all Gods children, why should He hate any of us? He may abhor the sins we commit but He loves every last one of us!


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Subject: RE: BS: God hates fags
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Jan 07 - 02:13 PM

Thou shall not lay down with a man the same way you would lay with a woman,,That's the only ref. I have seen in the bible referring to homosexuals.


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Subject: RE: BS: God hates fags
From: Peace
Date: 08 Jan 07 - 02:15 PM

Lots of non-smokers hate fags. I guess God don't smoke.


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Subject: RE: BS: God hates fags
From: Paul from Hull
Date: 08 Jan 07 - 02:22 PM

I saw this bunch of nutters on telly last night, as I guess Tom did also (that right Tom?) & was really, & I mean really shocked & disgusted...I suppose 'Freedom of Speech' (1st Amendment?) is what they are able to hide behind, but isnt their any kind of legislation that works its way round it, for cases like this?

Bizarrely, they also said the London Bombings were a punishment from God, though I missed any 'logic' for that when watching.


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Subject: RE: BS: God hates fags
From: Don Firth
Date: 08 Jan 07 - 02:24 PM

To those who are so all-fired sure they know what's in the mind of God :
It was touch and go. The patient was clinically dead. But the surgeon labored intensely, determined that he was not going to lose this patient. At last, the patient, gasped and his heart started beating again.

Many days later, when the patient was able to sit up in bed and talk, several people sat around his bed asking him questions. Yes, he had seen a bright light. Yes, he had gone through a tunnel toward that light. Yes, he had seen some of his dead friends and relatives who welcomed him. And yes, he had been told that he wasn't ready yet and had to go back. And no, death no longer held any fears for him.

Finally, the hospital chaplain asked, "Tell, me. Did you see God?"

"Yes," said the patient, "I did."

"Tell us," said that chaplain eagerly, "what is God like?"

"Well," said the patient, "first of all, She's black. . . ."
Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: God hates fags
From: kendall
Date: 08 Jan 07 - 02:39 PM

Guest, that is Liviticus you mentioned. Te same part also says if you touch the skin of a dead animal you are unclean and all...so, all those football, baseball and soccer players are doomed?


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Subject: RE: BS: God hates fags
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 08 Jan 07 - 02:41 PM

If Mr. Phelps and his minions make you want to cry, check out The Uncyclopedia entry for Westboro Baptist Church and laugh at them instead.


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Subject: RE: BS: God hates fags
From: Little Hawk
Date: 08 Jan 07 - 02:42 PM

What does infinity look like? Like anything that's out there, because it IS everything that's out there.

To hate anyone, it would have to hate part of itself. To punish anyone it would have to punish itself.

Unlikely, unless infinity is as confused and conflicted as the average human being is.

To love anyone it would have to love itself. Which of those 3 possibilities makes any sense? Only the last one...loving. Infinity loves everyone.


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Subject: RE: BS: God hates fags
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Jan 07 - 02:44 PM

Unclean , so wash your hands after you touch the dead animal , as for the leather in footballs , they have been treated [cured].


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Subject: RE: BS: God hates fags
From: Don Firth
Date: 08 Jan 07 - 03:03 PM

Well, GUEST, do you lick your fingers after eating a piece of fried chicken?

You can't just be selective about these things, you know.

And that includes selecting the verses in the Bible that support your point and ignoring the rest--a common flaw of our fundamentalist brethren.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: God hates fags
From: Little Hawk
Date: 08 Jan 07 - 03:07 PM

People do that with the US Constitution too. It's standard arguing procedure.


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Subject: RE: BS: God hates fags
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Jan 07 - 03:18 PM

What the f*** has licking fingers got to do whih anything ? as I said it's the only piece in the bible that I know of that mentions homosexual activity so I'm not been selective here.
If you have information from the bible that supports homosexual practices please post it here.


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Subject: RE: BS: God hates fags
From: IWTATBM
Date: 08 Jan 07 - 03:19 PM

Does God hate pipe smokers as well - it's still tobacco?


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Subject: RE: BS: God hates fags
From: Captain Ginger
Date: 08 Jan 07 - 03:20 PM

And the relevance of books of the Old Testament to contemporary behaviour is...what, exactly?


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Subject: RE: BS: God hates fags
From: JeremyC
Date: 08 Jan 07 - 03:25 PM

Fred Phelps is an attention-whoring psychopath, and his family appears to be inbred, mindless, and completely under his sway. It's a fringe movement at most, and the only reason they get this much attention is that they go so far out of their way to court controversy. He doesn't even represent the religious right--he's just another potentially dangerous lunatic.


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Subject: RE: BS: God hates fags
From: Scoville
Date: 08 Jan 07 - 03:34 PM

Even if there were a God and He did hate gays, how is it our business? Aren't we not supposed to judge?


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Subject: RE: BS: God hates fags
From: Cluin
Date: 08 Jan 07 - 03:39 PM

That Leviticus dude sure has a lot of rules. He must have been lotsa laffs at a party.


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Subject: RE: BS: God hates fags
From: Don Firth
Date: 08 Jan 07 - 03:40 PM

GUEST, I was referring to the matter of touching dead animals.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: God hates fags
From: Cluin
Date: 08 Jan 07 - 03:46 PM

Would that be the "biblical" touching?


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Subject: RE: BS: God hates fags
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 08 Jan 07 - 03:52 PM

"Thou shall not lay down with a man the same way you would lay with a woman"

Y'know, technically that's going to be rather tricky.

Unless of course you are eclectic in the way you lie down with a woman.

Oh, and incidentally, that's the first time I've noticed that grammatical error in the King James edition.


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Subject: RE: BS: God hates fags (not)
From: kendall
Date: 08 Jan 07 - 04:11 PM

What did Jesus say about homosexuals?


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Subject: RE: BS: God hates fags (not)
From: Wesley S
Date: 08 Jan 07 - 04:13 PM

As I recall He said - "Love your neighbor as yourself".


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Subject: RE: BS: God hates fags (not)
From: GUEST,Wullie
Date: 08 Jan 07 - 04:15 PM

I think Tam frae Saltcoats is a nutter. A born again christian? What planet is he on? We know there are homosexuals but we don't know there is a god.


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Subject: RE: BS: God hates fags (not)
From: frogprince
Date: 08 Jan 07 - 04:38 PM

"touching" a dead animal may be inadvisable, depending on the exact circumstances. Biblical "knowledge" of a dead animal is definitely not a good idea.


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Subject: RE: BS: God hates fags (not)
From: skipy
Date: 08 Jan 07 - 04:52 PM

Staying out of this one I am
Yoda


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Subject: RE: BS: God hates fags (not)
From: Cluin
Date: 08 Jan 07 - 05:13 PM

Putting the adjective "biblical" in front of any noun gives it a different spin doesn't it?


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Subject: RE: BS: God hates fags (not)
From: Scoville
Date: 08 Jan 07 - 05:25 PM

. . . and there we go, folks. Suddenly "Biblical" looks like a dirty word.


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Subject: RE: BS: God hates fags (not)
From: Captain Ginger
Date: 08 Jan 07 - 05:28 PM

...well, for secular humnanists like me, it usually is!


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Subject: RE: BS: God hates fags (not)
From: Don Firth
Date: 08 Jan 07 - 05:28 PM

No, Scoville, it's just that the way some folks try to use the Bible is not very Biblical.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: God hates fags (not)
From: GUEST,Observer
Date: 08 Jan 07 - 05:30 PM

Be careful when you make comments about his family - two of his children moved away and have nothing but contempt for him.


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Subject: RE: BS: God hates fags (not)
From: Cluin
Date: 08 Jan 07 - 05:36 PM

Mind of the beholder.


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Subject: RE: BS: God hates fags (not)
From: Scoville
Date: 08 Jan 07 - 05:38 PM

Family of atheists here, Captain. I'm not sure I've ever said "Biblical" without at least in internal giggle. That, and I've started to associate it with the megalomania of Mel Gibson, which doesn't help me take it any more seriously.


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Subject: RE: BS: God hates fags (not)
From: Greg F.
Date: 08 Jan 07 - 05:43 PM

Be nice to see some well-known "christians"[sic]in positions of power get up in front of a microphone and condemn Phelps.

But don't hold your breath.


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Subject: RE: BS: God hates fags (not)
From: Gizmo
Date: 08 Jan 07 - 06:54 PM

From what I can make up of that Phelps, which if true states that when young - he never had any interest in the opposite sex!

Need I say more!

Secondly - empty vessels make the loudest noise!

He who shouts loudest - is usually hiding something small!

I reckon he is trying to hide his own incompetance as a (hu)man and is berating others for the things he hates about himself.


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Subject: RE: BS: God hates fags (not)
From: GUEST,Scoville at Dad's (not GUEST)
Date: 08 Jan 07 - 07:48 PM

From what I can make up of that Phelps, which if true states that when young - he never had any interest in the opposite sex!

Yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking, too . . .


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Subject: RE: BS: God hates fags (not)
From: Robin June
Date: 08 Jan 07 - 10:12 PM

When I checked back (several chapters' worth) to find out who the "Thou" was, being addressed, was "the Children of Israel."

Last I checked, that included women, too. Which means, that straight married women are breaking God's law by "submitting to their husbands."


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Subject: RE: BS: God hates fags (not)
From: Robin June
Date: 08 Jan 07 - 10:17 PM

Sorry, I thought I was linking right after the reference from Leviticus, "Thou shalt not lie with a man as a man lies with a woman."

What's a gal to do? [wry grin]


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Subject: RE: BS: God hates fags (not)
From: Cluin
Date: 08 Jan 07 - 10:21 PM

Yep. It's the difference between, "The checque is in the mail" and "I promise I won't fall asleep right afterwards".


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Subject: RE: BS: God hates fags (not)
From: Rowan
Date: 09 Jan 07 - 12:30 AM

It has fascinated me for a long time how so many Christians seem to be more interested in the laws of the Old Testament than in the laws of the New.

That aside, about 30-40 years ago we started getting lots of Lebanese in Australia and very quickly we started getting lots of Lebanese restaurants serving Lebanese food. I've lost count of the variations in spelling I've seen of things like baba gunuj and homous. I feel I need to give this background to explain a wonderful piece of graffiti I saw on a railway bridge in Sydney about 30 years ago.

"God hates homos" it shouted.
And underneath, in different but even more legible writing was

"But she loves taboule"

Cheers, Rowan


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Subject: RE: BS: God hates fags (not)
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 Jan 07 - 12:38 AM

I saw this once on a brick wall: CASTRATE RAPISTS!

And under it a little way down: RAPE CASTRATORS!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: God hates fags (not)
From: Cluin
Date: 09 Jan 07 - 12:41 AM

"God is dead!"   -Fred


"Fred is dead."   -God


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Subject: RE: BS: Fred Phelps & 'God hates fags' organisation
From: wysiwyg
Date: 09 Jan 07 - 02:12 AM

Thanks to site volunteer(s)for the second thread-title change.

~Susan
    I'm the one who changed it. The original title seemed to be unnecessarily provocative, especially considering the recent tone of discussion here.
    -Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: BS: Fred Phelps & 'God hates fags' organisation
From: Slag
Date: 09 Jan 07 - 03:00 AM

If the Christians' God hated "fags" why did He send His Son to die in their stead??? It's been said before: God hates SIN but loves sinners. A lot of folks imagine that God's Laws are like a net; you can break a line or two here and there but if you're doing OK on the rest you'll get by. Not so! God's Laws are like a tightrope. Break any one of them and it's "game over". Hence, NO ONE can keep God's Laws. We, as a race are incapable of doing so. "For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. There is none righteous, no, not one." The "fag" is no more guilty than the liar, the thief, the cheat, the blasphemer, etc. For some one to call themselves "Christian" and then judge someone else is ludicrous. This is the point of Jesus' hyperbole of the man with a beam in his own eye trying to remove the mote from his brother's eye.

I think it's safe to say that anyone who espouses the view that God hates "fags" is pretty weak on theology if, indeed, they are a Christian at all.


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Subject: RE: BS: Fred Phelps & 'God hates fags' organisation
From: Captain Ginger
Date: 09 Jan 07 - 03:08 AM

Christian homophobia is bubbling away in the UK at the moment, with protests today at proposals to outlaw discrimination against gay people.
The proposals were implemented in Northern Ireland at the start of the year (where such measures can be imposed because the orange lads can't seem to accept the green lads and therefore no-one gets to host the tea party) but will not be brought into action on the mainland until April, following debate at Westminster. Today a wee protestant fellow in the House of Lords has tabled a 'prayer' to protest at the embrace of sodomites, while outside the House evangelical christians are to be joined by orthodox jews and muslims in a torchlight protest.
Funny how torchlight protests so often seem to be connected with spreading darkness and preventing light!


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Subject: RE: BS: Fred Phelps & 'God hates fags' organisation
From: Slag
Date: 09 Jan 07 - 03:08 AM

PS fellow 'Catters, it's just as wrong to condemn this Phelps guy for his egregious mistakes. Pray for his enlightenment and repentance. God loves him too.


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Subject: RE: BS: Fred Phelps & 'God hates fags' organisatio
From: Paul Burke
Date: 09 Jan 07 - 03:21 AM

What's the fag not guilty of, Slag?


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Subject: RE: BS: Fred Phelps & 'God hates fags' organisation
From: Slag
Date: 09 Jan 07 - 03:34 AM

Didn't say that Pablo. Re-read my post! PPS "Whatsoever is not of faith, is sin!"


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Subject: RE: BS: Fred Phelps & 'God hates fags' organisatio
From: Paul Burke
Date: 09 Jan 07 - 04:06 AM

The "fag" is no more guilty than the liar, the thief, the cheat, the blasphemer, etc.

What's the fag not guilty of?

Faith? Echoing bronx (cheers).


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Subject: RE: BS: Fred Phelps & 'God hates fags' organisation
From: JeremyC
Date: 09 Jan 07 - 08:34 AM

You know, if Jesus really did say to love your neighbor as thyself--I'm what you might call an active proponent of "self-love," so I'm sure that if I were to "love" my neighbor, I'd be following Jesus's will regardless of the neighbor's gender. And you know it's not Onanism if it doesn't hit the ground!

I'd love to see a Christian introducing himself to his new neighbors by sticking his hand down their pants.


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Subject: RE: BS: Fred Phelps & 'God hates fags' organisation
From: jeffp
Date: 09 Jan 07 - 08:51 AM

Hey Paul, read more carefully. Slag didn't say that the "fag" wasn't guilty of anything. He said that he wasn't any more guilty than the other sinners. That one word makes all the difference. Don't ignore it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Fred Phelps & 'God hates fags' organisation
From: John Hardly
Date: 09 Jan 07 - 08:53 AM

"But don't hold your breath."

No need. It's done all the time. It'd be hard to find an evangelical leader that wouldn't condemn the likes of Phelps. In fact, that's probably why you haven't read them doing so. In order for you to have read it:

1. You'd actually have to hear from an evangelical leader from time to time.

2. The news would have to deem such a condemnation newsworthy, but at this point such a condemnation would amount to yet another dog bites man story.


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Subject: RE: BS: Fred Phelps & 'God hates fags' organisatio
From: GUEST,Nun Smoker
Date: 09 Jan 07 - 09:25 AM

God hates fags- that's why Mary's cut down to 10 a day now, and promised to get a new set of curlers. Jesus has knocked off the Holy Spirit for a new year's resolution, though I bet it won't last long, and anyway where's all the communion wine gone, they don't call him the Last Supper because he goes to bed early? The Angel Gabriel has been warned off annunciating to any more virgins. Moses has given up going down in Egypt's land. Mary Magdalen has promised to sin no more than she ought to. And as for Saint peter's cock....


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Subject: RE: BS: Fred Phelps & 'God hates fags' organisatio
From: artbrooks
Date: 09 Jan 07 - 09:36 AM

When his group shows up here for the burial of a serviceman/woman, the "mainstream" Christians - that would be everything from Evangelicals to Episcopalians - show up to object. So does a very large veterans' biker group.


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Subject: RE: BS: Fred Phelps & 'God hates fags' organisation
From: Bill D
Date: 09 Jan 07 - 09:43 AM

Just saying "I don't hate fags" seems to me to show a bias in thinking.

Your language tells a lot about you.


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Subject: RE: BS: Fred Phelps & 'God hates fags' organisation
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 09 Jan 07 - 11:28 AM

Art started the point I had in mind to mention--Phelps is from Oklahoma, I think (the Wiki page was taking too long to load, but we hear about Phelps here in Texas because of the proximity), and torments folks in surrounding states. There are laws passed now that keep he (and others of his ilk, but I believe his is pretty much alone in this level of ilkiness) a set distance away from funerals.

The Bible is full of fairly neutral references to homosexuality, as it happens. I'm not going to cite chapter and verse because I haven't read it closely, but there are a number of biblical scholars who can and do. Check out the subject matter for the NPR programs The Diane Rehm Show and/or Fresh Air. I know I've heard these discussions within the last year or so. The trouble is that the Bible is an anthology meant for didactic purposes--i.e., "what would YOU do differently in this instance?" When some of these folks take it literally the problems ensue, especially when they are so selective in their reading of the book. I think one of the more recent books is a Jewish scholar taking on the misreadings of the Bible. Pretty interesting stuff!

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Subject: RE: BS: Fred Phelps & 'God hates fags' organisatio
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Jan 07 - 02:27 PM

It'd be hard to find an evangelical leader that wouldn't condemn the likes of Phelps

OK - Then find me a couple or a half dozen, for a start. In print. Directed to a mass audience. (no pun intended.)


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Subject: RE: BS: Fred Phelps & 'God hates fags' organisation
From: Scoville
Date: 09 Jan 07 - 03:20 PM

Wiki says he was born in Meridian, Mississippi, and runs the church out of Topeka, Kansas (the Evolution Friendly State).


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Subject: RE: BS: Fred Phelps & 'God hates fags' organisatio
From: Wolfgang
Date: 09 Jan 07 - 03:56 PM

Is the New Testament so much better in this respect?

1 Corinthians 6:

Do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived! Fornicators, idolaters, adulterers, male prostitutes, sodomites, thieves, the greedy, drunkards, revilers, robbers-none of these will inherit the kingdom of God.

Romans 1, 26f:

For this reason God gave them up to degrading passions. Their women exchanged natural intercourse for unnatural, and in the same way also the men, giving up natural intercourse with women, were consumed with passion for one another. Men committed shameless acts with men and received in their own persons the due penalty for their error.

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: BS: Fred Phelps & 'God hates fags' organisation
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 09 Jan 07 - 04:19 PM

Okay, next state up. I must have read about his antics in Oklahoma, then. At any rate, he's infamous for his nasty view of the world and most of the people in it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Fred Phelps & 'God hates fags' organisation
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 09 Jan 07 - 06:34 PM

God loves sinners? Oh good, so do I ((well, some of them, at least).


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Subject: RE: BS: Fred Phelps & 'God hates fags' organisation
From: Slag
Date: 10 Jan 07 - 03:00 AM

News Flash... Mudcatters hate God!!! Read the above! Yup, that's about as fallacious as saying Christians hate "fags". I keep using the term "fag" but I put it in quotes because it is NOT the term I use. It's the term as quoted by Tom Hamiltion. I'd venture to say that some Mudcatters DO hate God. Do they all? I, for one, don't. Some Mudcatters may hate homosexuals. I, for one, don't. And I resent people trying to color myself and other Cristians with the broad brush. It's dishonest.

Did God create pigs, mice and frogs? I would say so. According to the Jewish Torah they are unclean animls and/or abominations! Why? I don't know. It was a prohibition given to the Jews at the time when the Laws were handed down. Why do I have to drive at 55mph on roads that were once considered safe at 65 mph? God only knows and it's a real struggle for me to keep it at 55 (mainly because I'm blocking traffic!). In Christian theology only one was ever able to live a life without sin. To quote Leonard Cohen, "Only drowning men can see Him..." I believe in God's Grace because that's the only way I'm gonna make it. I live my life in this world in a body of death ("it is appointed unto Man once to die" and "the wages of sin is death"). The verdict was in and the sentence passed in the Beginning. Graveyards everywhere give mute testimony to the truth of that statement. I threw myself on the mercy of the Court and received a pardon from ALL my sins. Man, what a release! I'm free spiritually and I no longer HAVE to obey the desires of the flesh whatever they may be. As I quoted above "Whatsoever is not of faith is sin."   I acknowledge God and seek His guidance and trust that He is establishing the path I take. If I misstep He lets me know and He keeps letting me know until I get back on the road He wants me on. OK, have some fun with that!


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Subject: RE: BS: Fred Phelps & 'God hates fags' organisatio
From: Paul Burke
Date: 10 Jan 07 - 03:20 AM

Well Slag you're keeping this irony up well. No, you're NOT forgiven. It might make your poor warped character feel better to think that someone has cleansed you, but it's just childish self delusion, mummy kiss me better stuff.

Grow up, face the world. Glad you don't hate homosexuals.


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Subject: RE: BS: Fred Phelps & 'God hates fags' organisation
From: Captain Ginger
Date: 10 Jan 07 - 03:33 AM

How can I hate something that doesn't exist? It's like saying that someone hates the Tooth Fairy, Father Christmas or the Flying Spaghetti Monster. I would say that any Mudcatter who did profess to hate god (or any other abstract man-made construct) would be in need of psychiatric help.
Atheism has nothing to do with hating god. In its more intolerant forms it has much to do with exasperation at those humans who invoke god to justify their own prejudices and predilections; an exasperation that at times can spill over into dislike or contempt.
But, to err is human, as they say...


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Subject: RE: BS: Fred Phelps & 'God hates fags' organisation
From: Slag
Date: 10 Jan 07 - 03:36 AM

No problemo! Your choice! Honest choice.


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Subject: RE: BS: Fred Phelps & 'God hates fags' organisatio
From: GUEST,wacko
Date: 10 Jan 07 - 04:46 AM

why is it that 'christians' of all colours
quote more often from the old testament, or
from the words of paul the troubled, than the sweetly
redemptive jesus himself? always wonder about that..
of course christ wasn't a christian was he...
so much weirdness in the world..sigh...


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Subject: RE: BS: Fred Phelps & 'God hates fags' organisation
From: Scrump
Date: 10 Jan 07 - 05:34 AM

Far from hating anyone, God doesn't seem to give a toss about His creations. Why should He, when each of us is of infinitely less significance to Him than an ant is to a human? That's why I can never understand why he would be bothered about anyone blaspheming Him.


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Subject: RE: BS: Fred Phelps & 'God hates fags' organisatio
From: Paul Burke
Date: 10 Jan 07 - 06:26 AM

He's a jealous god, he said so. Always looking out for offence, so he can forgive you. Of course, he knew you were going to do it anyway. Just as he made homosexuals that way, so he could tell them not to do it again.

How come the problem never got mentioned in the Ten Commandments, the Sermon on the Mount, any of the parables(*), the Apostles' Creed, or the Thirty-Nine Articles, since it seems to be the main interest of modern Christians (proper ones, not liberals)?

(*) apart from the Gay Samaritan, Dives and Lads-R-Us, the Fag Tree and the Wise and Foolish Lesbians.


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Subject: RE: BS: Fred Phelps & 'God hates fags' organisation
From: JeremyC
Date: 10 Jan 07 - 08:30 AM

"He's a jealous god, he said so."

Maybe God hates fags because he's jealous and wants all the men to Himself? I THINK I'M ONTO SOMETHING.


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Subject: RE: BS: Fred Phelps & 'God hates fags' organisation
From: Don Firth
Date: 10 Jan 07 - 07:28 PM

Assuming that what we refer to as "God" actually represents some super-intelligent entity out there in the Cosmos, I tend to think that humankind bears approximately the same relationship to that "God" that bacteria on a Petri dish bear to the lab technician. And vice versa.

"But they say that God marks the fall of every sparrow."

"Yes. But the sparrow still falls."*

Don Firth

*Paraphrase from Mary Doria Russell's extraordinary novel, The Sparrow. One of the best novels I've ever read.


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Subject: RE: BS: Fred Phelps & 'God hates fags' organisation
From: Tom Hamilton frae Saltcoats Scotland
Date: 11 Jan 07 - 09:20 AM

to Guest Wullie,

I am not a nutter, I'm a born again Christian, which mean that I like many others are born again of the holy spirit, that's all it means.

So don't you ever call me or my friends nutters unless you have proof.

and there is a God, I mean who do you think created this universe and you.

we are createted in God's image.

oh by the way I don't agree with these nutters.

Tom


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Subject: RE: BS: Fred Phelps & 'God hates fags' organisation
From: Tom Hamilton frae Saltcoats Scotland
Date: 11 Jan 07 - 09:25 AM

Sorry about that.

However I know what it means to born again, and I know between me an my God that i'm no nutter.

Love and God bless

Tom


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Subject: RE: BS: Fred Phelps & 'God hates fags' organisation
From: kendall
Date: 11 Jan 07 - 09:30 AM

I have a hard time with people who claim to know what God wants and thinks.Any entity that can create the universe and all that is in it hardly needs people like Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson or Fred Phelps to speak for him/her/it. None of that gang has any credibility with me.


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Subject: RE: BS: Fred Phelps & 'God hates fags' organisation
From: Tom Hamilton frae Saltcoats Scotland
Date: 11 Jan 07 - 09:50 AM

I don't believe that God hates anyone,


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Subject: RE: BS: Fred Phelps & 'God hates fags' organisation
From: Tom Hamilton frae Saltcoats Scotland
Date: 11 Jan 07 - 09:51 AM

And I don't believe that when you die that you will end up down in Hell because God doesn't want that.


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Subject: RE: BS: Fred Phelps & 'God hates fags' organisation
From: JeremyC
Date: 11 Jan 07 - 10:22 AM

Tom,

Dude. This is a guy who protests at soldiers' funerals, claiming that they died in Iraq because the US is somehow "tolerant" of homosexuality. Yes, he calls himself a christian, but anyone can call themselves anything--it's actions that count. Do you want to be associated with this man as a "fellow christian"? Even the hardcore fundies here in the US decline to be associated with him. I submit that you're taking the principle of "brotherhood" too far.


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Subject: RE: BS: Fred Phelps & 'God hates fags' organisation
From: Amos
Date: 11 Jan 07 - 10:46 AM

From BWL's link above:

"In 1955, while being sodomized in a Topeka motel by a burly man known only as "Cletus", Fred Phelps had a vision of the Angel Conveniently Made Up. The angel admonished Phelps, saying unto him "Yea, for in the eyes of the Lord God fags are no good at all, and He hates fags, and thou art condemned to eternal hellfire for thy sinful buggery," Phelps, stunned, fell prostrate and begged the angel if there was no way to repent for his sins.

Thus quieried, the angel said, "Of course: as thy asshole hath offended the Lord our God, thou must become the largest asshole in the world to cleanse thy sinnery."

Phelps, thus charged by the angel, took the message to heart and finished his sodomy session without the customary reach-around and showed Cletus the door. After cleaning up, Phelps set out to form a new ministry to spread the words of the vision he had received. However, having only a precious few words from the angel from which to make a covenant with the Lord, Phelps parsed the most valuable lesson he could wrap his IQ of upwards of 85 around:

"God does not like fags in the least." But this had too many words, and eventually became "God hates fags." "

So that's how this all began...



A


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Subject: RE: BS: Fred Phelps & 'God hates fags' organisation
From: Bill D
Date: 11 Jan 07 - 11:06 AM

*stifling paroxysms of giggles*


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Subject: RE: BS: Fred Phelps & 'God hates fags' organisation
From: Amos
Date: 11 Jan 07 - 12:08 PM

Guys like Phelps are essentially nutballs as foar as those who work in the common universe are concerned.

People become nutballs from a variety of causes. One is emotional and physical trauma, acute or chronic. Another is unresolved confusions which can arise, for example, from being lied to about the world and hammered with false information, making it impossible tot hink straight. This is sort of "cognitive abuse" that makes nmorons out of potentially intelligent individuals. It is often passed down through generations, because parents act out lessons they never understood and force them on their young.

You can't make good or pragmatic decisions if you have a falsified understanding of the situation you are deciding about. And if that situation is existence itself, you are liable to make some really lame ones.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Fred Phelps & 'God hates fags' organisation
From: kendall
Date: 11 Jan 07 - 01:11 PM

How about Pat Robertson advocating assassination?


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Subject: RE: BS: Fred Phelps & 'God hates fags' organisation
From: Don Firth
Date: 11 Jan 07 - 10:58 PM

Not everyone who calls himself a "Christian" is.

Even if he feels absolutely certain that he is.

In fact, there's a lot of that going around. And there has been right from the start.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Fred Phelps & 'God hates fags' organisation
From: guitar
Date: 12 Jan 07 - 08:44 AM

Well I think that Tom tries to be a Christain and I respect his views, even though sometimes he's wrong.


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Subject: RE: BS: Fred Phelps & 'God hates fags' organisation
From: guitar
Date: 12 Jan 07 - 08:46 AM

I'm Tom,

And I do not want to be associated with him or his kind. and I'm sorry for written all that stuff.

Tom


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Subject: RE: BS: Fred Phelps & 'God hates fags' organisation
From: guitar
Date: 12 Jan 07 - 09:50 AM

I'm glad that thread 'no longer a member is closed' thanks whoeverr done it


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