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Are the sessions real in Ireland?

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JennyO 08 Jan 07 - 10:25 AM
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Subject: RE: Folklore: Are the sessions real in Ireland?
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Jan 07 - 05:17 PM

Cap'n
Packie didn't choose not to play, he wasn't wasn't given the choice. He was driven out of the sessions by people who had no interest in traditional music, but rather came to play (with) themselves, and the music they brought with them had little to do with what had little to do with what Packie and his brothers played.
Happily, Irish music has moved on from those days - we may have lost Doolin to the cowboys, but we have plenty of other sessions to make up for it - and it won't be too long before there's a MacDonalds there.
Jim Carroll
PS What - nothing from the Notts Nerd - looks like you'll have to phone a friend; he knows everything!


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Are the sessions real in Ireland?
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Jan 07 - 05:26 PM

Barbara,
Keep meaning to sign up - will do so.
Thanks,
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Are the sessions real in Ireland?
From: JennyO
Date: 08 Jan 07 - 10:25 AM

I found Doolin to be a delightful little place. Yes, there are some tourists there - I was one of them - but I didn't think anything was spoilt - yet. But Macdonalds? Please no! Perish the thought!


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Are the sessions real in Ireland?
From: Gulliver
Date: 08 Jan 07 - 01:13 PM

I haven't been to Doolin for a long time, but some English friends of mine love the place, and go there about four times a year. I'll have to go with them next time. I used to love going there years ago, and except for here (on Mudcat), I've never heard anything bad about the place...


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Are the sessions real in Ireland?
From: Fidjit
Date: 08 Jan 07 - 01:37 PM

Hey! Thanks for the GREAT respons to the thread.

I'm just back from Stockholm (500km from where I live) Where I've been involved in two sesssios at the weekend. Very authentic and entirely English! To be highly reccomended, by me.

I'll get back to you all.

Chas

Nice one Jim Carrol And Greg.

We'll be coming round the mountain when we come.

You all come back now.


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Are the sessions real in Ireland?
From: GUEST,Noel Hill's Back Pocket
Date: 08 Jan 07 - 02:30 PM

Jim you're way off-beam. Nottingham? Never been there - and don't even like the sound of the place. I'm much closer than you think. Try Ennistymon and you might be getting a little warmer.


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Are the sessions real in Ireland?
From: GUEST,Old girl
Date: 08 Jan 07 - 04:15 PM

We went to a pub where the locals play, we arrived early to get a seat
but when they saw our car reg someone locked the door to keep us out its the only time I have been band from a pub


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Are the sessions real in Ireland?
From: Fidjit
Date: 08 Jan 07 - 04:35 PM

Good to see all the positive comments.

I know there are both types of sessions going on. Some friends of mine told me they had a great time. "There was this pub with a session and it was great". When I asked if it was an authentic or fake they asked what I meant as they couldn't tell the difference. (Them not being musicians themselves) I think it takes one to know one.

I believe that the people on this forum are really interested in the real ones. So how about we list the ones we know are authentic. Yours too Dick.
I've noted the ones I've seen to be real.

However, I got the celidh wrong at Tobercurry. My own fault though. It was just all stepdance stuff and no caller! As I say my own fault. Rest of the festival was good. Even the fringe session in the pub.

Was once in Sligo visiting a non-musical sister of a girlfriend. Suggested we find a session in the town. There were lots but it was the wrong night for most of them.

Eventually found one in a dark and dismal upstairs bar. Got the beer, sat down to join in with my spoons Played one set. As my eyes got acustomed to the light I saw the posters on the walls around me.
Kept my mouth shut (Me being a Londoner) and held a low profile, Drank up and left.
Posters told the tale that it was the local branch of the IRA!

Session was very authentic though.

Now what about that list?

Chas


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Are the sessions real in Ireland?
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Jan 07 - 06:56 AM

Noel's Rear End,
My mistake,
The feller I was thinking of specialises in self-promotion by being vicious , while the comment you made, as has been adequately pointed out, was just inane. He gets it off by insulting elderly or deceased traditional singers - not many of them about.
I am now convinced that he is not you; sorry for the confusion.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Are the sessions real in Ireland?
From: Gulliver
Date: 09 Jan 07 - 09:04 AM

Seamus wrote:

"It wasn't the music-loving tourists who destroyed the Temple bar
area, it was the English (mostly) bachelor and hen-parties."

Maybe, but they too are TOURISTS!

It's not practicable to stop the tourists--it was just an aspiration,
based on my observations of mass-tourism on the continent (one place was where I lived in Capri, for example).
And on the positive side, I suppose it provides employment for the musicians. I don't think Fáilte Ireland
will be too worried--tourism here is increasing at record rates every year.

BTW, I've nothing against tourists per se--I play in sessions in Dublin pubs where a few dozen come by
in the Summer and they love the music and we have great craic. But when that few dozen increases to a few hundred...???


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Are the sessions real in Ireland?
From: Scrump
Date: 09 Jan 07 - 09:20 AM

I'm surprised that English stag and hen parties go to Dublin for their "binge drinking", given the significantly higher cost of booze there, when compared even to the UK :-)

But Dublin isn't alone in attracting them - when I was in Prague, the place was overrun with Brit stag parties at weekends. I could understand that, when the excellent beer was about 25% of the UK price (it may not be any more, since they adopted the euro) :(

As for limiting tourists, how would anyone propose to do that? But if Gordon Brown has his way, none of us will be able to afford to leave the UK ever again anyway :(


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Are the sessions real in Ireland?
From: julian morbihan
Date: 09 Jan 07 - 12:00 PM

We had a week's holiday in south west Ireland the other year and found a good session every night.

All the sessions we got to were very welcoming and inclusive.

At Brown's in Killarney a nice little group of musicians around the table playing a good selection of tunes. They had home-burned CDs for sale to us tourists and I'm still playing mine on a regular basis.

Whilst in the bar, an american couple walked in, said "Aw gee, real Irish music", took a photograph and walked out! The whole pub justed folded up with laughing...

In Cork it took a tour of about 6 pubs to find the authentic though. There were the usual "can't play good so play loud and fast" and some very good bluegrass and apalachian but eventually found the real thing in a posh hotel bar. A melodeon and guitar with a bit of amplification and a few locals at the bar who took a mic and sang occasionally. Having joined in enthusiastically with the choruses, at the interval we were asked if we would like to sing. Chatting at the end they couldn't believe that the English also sang and had folk clubs...

And to round of an excellent holiday - saw Dick Miles busking at a local lighthouse.

Cheers

Julian


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Are the sessions real in Ireland?
From: GUEST,Noel Hill's Back Pocket
Date: 09 Jan 07 - 01:55 PM

Julian Morbihan wrote:

'In Cork it took a tour of about 6 pubs to find the authentic though. There were the usual "can't play good so play loud and fast" and some very good bluegrass and apalachian but eventually found the real thing in a posh hotel bar. A melodeon and guitar with a bit of amplification and a few locals at the bar who took a mic and sang occasionally.'

If that's an 'authentic' session then why don't why just all commit suicide tonight?

Jim Carroll I haven't a clue what you're on about. If you knew amything aabout traditional music youd know about Noel Hill and money and the pocket reference!!! Ive seen you leaning on bars many a time but never heard you play. Whenever you do I'll revise my opininon.


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Are the sessions real in Ireland?
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Jan 07 - 02:08 PM

Oh well, back to the pot-boiler.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Are the sessions real in Ireland?
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Jan 07 - 02:13 PM

PS,
Don't claim to know much about Irish music, nor the tabloid gossip; I leave that to the big league; but I do know about the sessions I mentioned - been there - done that.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Are the sessions real in Ireland?
From: GUEST,meself
Date: 10 Jan 07 - 09:25 AM

Oh, Tell Me, Are the Sessions Real in Ireland?
(To the tune of 'Galway Bay' - or any other old chestnut).


Oh, tell me, are the sessions real in Ireland?
If I bring my bodhran, will they let me play?
Or is it all a shamrock sham for tourists?
And the musicians only there to get their pay?


(Sorry, but that kept coming to my head every time I saw the title of this thread - hope this gets it out of my head. Over to you!)


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Are the sessions real in Ireland?
From: GUEST,meself
Date: 10 Jan 07 - 09:43 AM

Oh no - that just made it worse ...


Once I went across the sea to Ireland,
Searching for the Celtic trad pure drop,
But whenever I sat in to bang my bodhran,
The silly snobs insisted that I stop.

Oh, tell me, etc.


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Are the sessions real in Ireland?
From: The Sandman
Date: 10 Jan 07 - 10:38 AM

do we ask the question are folk clubs authentic[or real].No,there are many different kind of folk clubs,some cater for contemporary songs, some like to provide a mixture,some are more traditional.
there are also different kinds of sessions, there all real,some may include singing, some may not,but there all musicians making music and enjoying themselves.
do we ask ourselves when we see classical musicians performing, this is not real because they are getting paid,no we dont,in fact we expect a high standard because they are paid,as we do with folk performers in clubs and festivals,.
personally I do both [Play in unpaid sessions,and play for money]and I enjoy and hope my enjoyment of music is evident on both occasions.
www.dickmiles.com


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Are the sessions real in Ireland?
From: Gulliver
Date: 10 Jan 07 - 10:53 AM

Aye, aye, Cap'n! Agree completely...


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Are the sessions real in Ireland?
From: Scrump
Date: 10 Jan 07 - 11:14 AM

I agree, Cap'n, but I can see what the OP was getting at. Instead of paying singers and musicians to perform, it seems the OP thought that a group of musos were being paid to 'pretend' to be having an informal session. Whether there's anything wrong in that, I don't know, but it does seem sort of cheating!


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Are the sessions real in Ireland?
From: mustradclub
Date: 10 Jan 07 - 11:47 AM

This is in reply to leadfingers. During the sixties some of the best Irish music to be heard could be found in London pubs. The "favourite" a pub just off the Holloway road was legendary. Margaret Barry, Seamus Ennis, Tommy McCarthy, and Bobby Casey were just a few of the wonderful musicians that could be heard then. The heyday of Irish music in London is probably past but there is still some fine music to be heard especially in the old triangle a pub close to Arsenals football ground on sunday evenings.

The thing is that many of the best young irish musicians are descendants of people who used to play or listen to the music in the pubs in the 60's. As many of these young people have been brought up in London many dont have Irish accents. Sometimes "identity" can be a problem for when they visit Ireland many Irish people wont accept them as being Irish.Equally over here they are not accepted by the English. So Leadfingers the possiblity is that your friend actually came accross some very fine Irish musicians but because they didnt have Irish accents he may have formed a bias against them. It would be interesting to know where he came accross the music.


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Are the sessions real in Ireland?
From: GUEST,change at crewe
Date: 10 Jan 07 - 12:27 PM

So true mustradclub. Good to see 'The Favourite' get a mention and very apt considering the rest of your post. One fine example being Tommy McManamon the son of the publican. Sadly Tommy died mid December (RIP Beastie) but one of the finest tenor banjo players you could wish to hear. Tommy being brought up in London spoke like the true Suvner but his roots were pure Irish. If someone who didn't know him heard him speak he would be described as English.

Anyone interested in Irish sessions of the 60's should check out 'Paddy in the Smoke', the legendary album recorded at The Favourite. Heaving with the finest exponents of Irish trad at the time.

I'd put my neck out to say most of the 'Irish' music in London played by English sounding musos is indeed being played by second generation Irish. The Pogues and The Popes spring to mind immediately. They may drop their 'aitches' but they were all brought up listening to The Dubs at home!

I also wondered which pub Leadfingers refers to.


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Are the sessions real in Ireland?
From: GUEST,fidjit
Date: 10 Jan 07 - 03:31 PM

I had a job for a few weeks playing in the Dublin Castle in Camden Town, London. Just before you get to C#house, in the early 70's. It was then an Irish pub. It was good. The trio was accordian, Drums and me singing, playing a twelve string. Sang mostly the stock Irish stuff of the time. You know what I mean. I learnt them all from the Clancy Brothers & Tommy Makem. (As we all did then) Lasted four weeks. As the landlord was after a bango player. I could understand his meaning. No hard feelings. I made about a fiver every Friday night.It was good craic. The punters sang along, great stuff.
I enjoyed it. Learnt my trade,so to speak.
Dublin Castle now is an enlarged Rock place. Wouldn't go there now. Water under the bridge.

Found out there was more to folk music than Mush Ring Dums!
Authentic stuff. Not that some Mushy Ring Dums aren't authentic. They are. I don't want to open up another can of worms here. your all far too knowledgable.

I've heard some very good unnaccompanied singers of all Nationalities. Heard some bad ones to. Who hasn't?
Some Norwegian stave singing takes some beating.

It's the Authenticity that I'm after. Not a tourist attracton. It has to be, "there 'cos it's there".

Chas


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Are the sessions real in Ireland?
From: The Sandman
Date: 10 Jan 07 - 04:20 PM

please dont take offence.
Chas, but you too are a tourist, everyone is a tourist who doesnt live there,.
If I have a session as I will do, In a few days time with some friends,I may not want any other company,its there cos its there,
I can remember going to sessions in east anglia with John Howson,It was just a few old boys,john and katy ,myself and a few select people who kept in the background,so whats the difference, it happened in England as well,probably happens everywhere.
If the music is good does it matter[I recently saw a programme about chris droney and two japanese pupils of his,who were excellent concertina players].
so hypothetically you hear concertinas from outside a pub,walk in and see that they are japanese,there music is excellent,so do you walk out of the pub, because they were not born in county clare and are not old men or women.,if the music is good, does it matter.


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Are the sessions real in Ireland?
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Jan 07 - 05:26 PM

No offence taken Dick. I wouldn't walk out and you know that. We are talking about the same thing. I respect the musicians who ever they are. I also know that you know what I mean about the authentic ones and the fake ones.

Where's the list?

Chas


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Are the sessions real in Ireland?
From: MartinRyan
Date: 10 Jan 07 - 07:55 PM

Jim

Is the "ghost fiddler" not still around? If not - I'm starting to hallucinate with the onset of old age!I'm thinking of the one who goes through the entire motions of tuning, rosening etc and even fakes playing - with the bow just above the strings! In fairness, drink does not appear to be the motivation - and he is handled very gently in most places.

Regards


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Are the sessions real in Ireland?
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Jan 07 - 03:14 AM

Hi Martin,
I haven't not seen the one I'm thinking of play in a long time,
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Are the sessions real in Ireland?
From: The Sandman
Date: 11 Jan 07 - 05:32 AM

FIDJIT,the list is with brahms,brahms and list.
why should I provide a list,Im off to play some music,its rather windy here at the moment so I hope I dont list to starboard ,or even worse to port[sandemans].www.dickmiles.com


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Are the sessions real in Ireland?
From: My guru always said
Date: 11 Jan 07 - 05:50 AM

Chas, no offence, but there have been lots of threads regarding sessions in Ireland over the past few years that I've seen. If you use the 'search' facility you'll find them, though obviously you'll need to weed out the 'fake' ones, which is the topic of this thread. Looking forward to see/hearing you at Miskin :-)

Capn: sorry, but your post seemed a bit harsh, felt I had to step in!


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Are the sessions real in Ireland?
From: GUEST,fidjit
Date: 11 Jan 07 - 06:15 AM

Thanks Hillary.

Don't worry about Dick. Water of a Dicks back.

See you at Miskin.

Plug for Andy

Chas


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Are the sessions real in Ireland?
From: The Sandman
Date: 11 Jan 07 - 07:03 AM

look im sorry ,but I really cant provide a list,I dont know anymore than you whats going on in donegal, mayo, dublin,galway,In my postings,I believe ive qualified my comments, with in my personal experience,which is restricted to cork and south kerry,.
kenmare;crowleys ,sailors ,coachmans,all have good sessions.
kilgarvan, tuesday night session.
ballydehob friday night co cork,good session.
skibbereen co cork,tuesday paragon bar,monday corner bar skibbereen..
clonakilty co cork,several good sessions,in o,donovans different nights of the week.
if you want to know about co clare, Jim Carroll, knows more than I do.


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Are the sessions real in Ireland?
From: GUEST,Fidjit
Date: 11 Jan 07 - 08:18 AM

Thanks Dick Well done.
Chas


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Are the sessions real in Ireland?
From: GUEST,Fidjit
Date: 11 Jan 07 - 08:22 AM

There another theme going on on here on Mudcat.
"I walked into a session"
Listing places. give it a try.

Chas


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Are the sessions real in Ireland?
From: Leadfingers
Date: 11 Jan 07 - 08:48 AM

Mustradclub - With all due respect , IF you read my thread about English musicians - I was one of the musicians and we are ALL English
though I do admit to a quarter Irish on my mother's side !


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Are the sessions real in Ireland?
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Jan 07 - 12:08 PM

"admit"? Don't be guilty, man, be proud of it.


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Are the sessions real in Ireland?
From: mustradclub
Date: 11 Jan 07 - 12:29 PM

While I am sure there are many good pub sessions still to be found in Ireland. I do hear distressing news that the smoking ban (which I agree with) has led to the closure of many pubs. I was speaking to Ron Kavana last night he is now living in Ireland and sorry to say he was somewhat pessimistic about the scene over there. I have a feeling that the music might be returning to the kitchens and firesides where it was played before music in pubs became the fashion.


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Are the sessions real in Ireland?
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Jan 07 - 02:44 PM

"Co Clare, Jim Carroll, knows more than I do".
Not really Cap'n; just round Miltown, which is bristling with sessions virtually 5 nights a week - Friel's being the most reliable for great music. Ennis is good too. A few surprising black holes - Kilkee should, but doesn't - thanks to holiday homes you are more likely to find tumbleweed blowing round the streets in winter.
Don't know where the idea of the smoking ban doing damage came from -certanly no around here. It's wonderful to be able to breathe in the pubs for the first time in my lifetime - most of the smokers are happy with it.
What is doing damage is the breathyliser clampdown which is having an effect. There is talk today of financial assistance for minibus lifts after the pubs close (the downside of this is that they will have to close on time - ah well, you can't have it all ways.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Are the sessions real in Ireland?
From: Shaneo
Date: 11 Jan 07 - 03:08 PM

We played a few sessions in Clare last September and most went well except for Ennis , our Whistle player got his leg broken in a bar in Ennis during a session.
The best reception was in Sixmilebridge , we played three of the five pubs in the town [mighty craic]
What surprised us about Co. Clare was that when they heard our Dublin accents they didn't associate us with the playing of traditional music,,strange that,,
Maybe it goes back to when Dubliners went on holidays down the country all they did was drink and fight.
As a band we pick a county and head off for a long weekend a few times a year to see whats happening and it's great to see that musicians are still welcome to start a session in most parts of Ireland.


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Are the sessions real in Ireland?
From: The Sandman
Date: 11 Jan 07 - 04:24 PM

I agree with jim carroll,the smoking ban has had nothing to do with pubs closing,Plenty of SMOKERS,still hovering outside pubs.
it,s to do with random breathalysing in rural areas where there is very little alternative transport.
WHEN I have a rambling house SMOKERS have to go outside,rules of the house.


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Are the sessions real in Ireland?
From: GUEST,meself
Date: 11 Jan 07 - 04:28 PM

"our Whistle player got his leg broken in a bar in Ennis during a session"

We ARE talking about a music session, right? The local aficianados took exception to some of his embellishments, I suppose?

A lesson for us all: they DO take their music seriously in the pubs of Clare. Make sure you know what you're doing before you produce your tin whistle ...


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Are the sessions real in Ireland?
From: Dickmac
Date: 11 Jan 07 - 05:30 PM

There are "real" sessions in Dublin but I've not found any in the city centre tourists spots. It depends what you'e looking for.

I've been to the session in The Lighthouse at Howth a number of times and despite being a banjo playing Scot was made welcome.I have heard it's now closed - going to be turned into flats - hope I'm wrong. Also found good friendly sessions in Dingle.
There's obviously a place for the "paid performer" session in the likes of Temple Bar but in these sessions there is not ( or does not appear to be )the same willingingness to let the visitor join in.


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Are the sessions real in Ireland?
From: GUEST,petr
Date: 11 Jan 07 - 06:04 PM

when I was in Ireland (in 98) seems the further I got from Dublin the friendlier the sessions were. The best were in Killarney, Miltown Malbay and the Crane in Galway, one session in Clifden was more of a singalong with tunes in between (and since the box player didnt show up my fiddle was the main instrument). (since Im originally from the Czech republic and started playing in a Scottish Dance orchestra, they thought it was funny that I was a Czech Canadian playing Irish fiddle with a Scottish style. I only had a week in Ireland but next time I will go for longer.


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Are the sessions real in Ireland?
From: Skivee
Date: 11 Jan 07 - 06:27 PM

My 2 pence.
In 1990 my band took a field trip to Ireland We started up in Donegal city and made our way down the west coast. We had great times in the Schooner pub. after closing, the landlady wouldn't let us buy our drinks. She wuldn't let us buy them drinks.There were about 10 locals playing. They played C&W for us, we played Irish music for them, and we all found common ground in Beatles tunes.
We traded versions and had a great time.
We also had a great time in Spiddel. A little place called Hughes Pub.
It was a similar story. We ran into Tommy Lyons. A wonderful guy
We headed south and landed in Doolin. McGann's. I should have noted the Time Magazine article on the wall proclaiming it the best pub in the universe, or some such thing.
Miko Russell was there and a few young folk on cittern, guitar and concertina. We would do some tunes with them, but I would take a break to listen every few minutes. after all, I didn't realy go to Ireland to teach them how to play their music. The concertina would lean into me and bleat,"Plaaaye, plaaaaaye".
I would begin playing. The guy would get a sour look on his face each time like he had just licked a pissy toad. After this happened a few times I realized that he was being payed to give the tourists wonderful memories of playing with REAL IRISH MUSICIANS so they could brag about it when they got back home. He clearly would have rather been having his eyelids cut off.
If we didn't play along, the owner would think these guys were failing and can their asses. It wasn't the right feel.
That's when I realized that you could buy bad craic in Ireland. We went to O'Conner's the next night and had a good time. Previous posters make me think that O'Conner's may also have slid into the same trap.
Too bad if this was so.
Of course, I was dumbish and more stupidy back then. I might have a differnt slant on things now.
Cheers.
PS This was late in the year...the off season.


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Are the sessions real in Ireland?
From: patriot1314
Date: 11 Jan 07 - 07:17 PM

The Lighthouse Bar in Howth is indeed closed and has been for a couple of years. Last time I spoke to Barney he told me they had "sprung a leak" during the building work.
Work has since recommenced and the plans, I'm assured, consist of flats plus a pub, so all might not be lost.


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Are the sessions real in Ireland?
From: The Sandman
Date: 12 Jan 07 - 05:52 AM

if im playing in a paid session,I try and welcome other musicians,If they have a list of the tunes they play it helps[to find common ground ] .I might play a couple of sets first and then ask them [If they want to play acouple of tunes,or sing etc]and find some common tunes,or take it in turns or do both,its also more interesting for me.www.dickmiles.com


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Are the sessions real in Ireland?
From: Gulliver
Date: 12 Jan 07 - 07:26 AM

I came home through Temple Bar (Dublin) last night, passing six pubs with trad music. Two of them were excellent sessions open to all, but they're a little off the main drag, and quieter, which the musos said was a good thing, and they'd like to keep it that way...


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Are the sessions real in Ireland?
From: GUEST,melself
Date: 12 Jan 07 - 07:55 AM

"I came home through Temple Bar (Dublin) last night, passing six pubs with trad music."

You PASSED them? You're a stronger man than I am!


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Are the sessions real in Ireland?
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Jan 07 - 09:49 AM

Skivee wrote:
'I didn't really go to Ireland to teach them how to play their music'.
Do I detect a patonising note here - I wonder if you took bags of salt and beads?
An intelligent musician comes to Ireland to listen to how Irish music is played by the natives, and hopefully take some knowledge away with them.
Unfortunately, what happened to Doolin is the visitors came to play, not to listen.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Are the sessions real in Ireland?
From: Leadfingers
Date: 12 Jan 07 - 09:53 AM

Well Portaferry will have some good mixed session next month I hope !!


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Are the sessions real in Ireland?
From: Leadfingers
Date: 12 Jan 07 - 09:54 AM

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