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Who's the 'Best' folk singer you know?

Dr John 25 Mar 99 - 05:27 PM
Mudjack 25 Mar 99 - 06:13 PM
Shula 25 Mar 99 - 07:29 PM
Barbara Shaw 25 Mar 99 - 09:11 PM
Susan A-R 25 Mar 99 - 09:37 PM
Sandy Paton 25 Mar 99 - 10:18 PM
Art Thieme 25 Mar 99 - 10:38 PM
Big Mick 25 Mar 99 - 11:12 PM
Big Mick 25 Mar 99 - 11:21 PM
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catspaw49 26 Mar 99 - 01:40 AM
Art Thieme 26 Mar 99 - 11:31 AM
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Subject: RE: Who's the 'Best' folk singer you know?
From: Dr John
Date: 25 Mar 99 - 05:27 PM

How come the same names are in "the best folksinger ..." thread and in the "biggest waste of vinyl..." thread?


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Subject: RE: Who's the 'Best' folk singer you know?
From: Mudjack
Date: 25 Mar 99 - 06:13 PM

Sam Hinton again... You might be more familiar with his work in Rise Up Singing... Yeah, the guy who did the calligrophy. He's a splendid folksinger and has a songbag of songs nearly as big as Rise Up Singing. Jack


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Subject: RE: Who's the 'Best' folk singer you know?
From: Shula
Date: 25 Mar 99 - 07:29 PM

Dear folks,

Leaving aside the impossibility of answering any question intended to exemplify the "best" of anything, and just attempting to address the question of favourites, I suppose I'm still fond of the singers whose recordings I heard as a child. I remember liking the songs of Woody and Pete, but for voice, I was much taken with the butterscotch sound of Burl Ives. I know he went commercial, but that was beyond the ken of a child, and I just loved to hear his voice. That, and the fact that I could usually make out the words when he sang, so I could learn "behind" him -- a big plus in any singer's book -- put him high on my list.

But my honest-to-goodness favourite would have to be my grandfather, Ben Moomaw, Jr., who was president, for ages, of the Virginia Folklore Society. At meetings, "Mr. Ben" was regularly called on to perform some of the hundreds of songs he had learned from a life well spent in The Blue Ridge Mountains.

He would stand, usually without accompaniment, but with perfect pitch, nonetheless, -- in later years, leaning slightly on his hickory-wood cane -- and sing from memory the endless verses of song after song, telling the "pedigree" of each one between numbers. His voice was clear as springwater, and startlingly strong right to the end, long after frailty had become apparant in his limbs. He never faltered or forgot a line, ( I've been told by those who had a right to say), and his vocal timbre was so rich and beautiful, you could gain weight on it.

And while others had to pay dues and show up for meetings, I had the exquisite pleasure of listening to his songs at leisure, sitting in my little rocker, right next to his big one, on the long front porch of the house he had built with his own hands many years past, for his bride, my grandmother. I lived for summer, when we would leave the killing tidewater humidity of Richmond for the cooler air of the hills, where I could follow him through the pastures and the orchards and even the truck garden, drinking in the music that seemed to flow from him as speech flows from the rest of us.

In the evening after supper, as the sun set, we would all sit out on the porch in the rockers, with cold fresh mint drinks -- iced tea or lemonade for the ladies and young folk, bourbon for my Gampop and any other gentlemen -- and pass the time "waiting for the house to cool down" by counting the cars passing on the ribbon of road far down in the valley below us, listening to Great-Uncle Roy tell his home-made tales of "the Great B'ar" and the other constellations, or leg-pullers drawn from local lore.

And then my Gampop would sing until those selfsame skittish stars were lured from their shadowed lairs to populate the night sky. I could hear him summon up even the moon, with the sweetness of his voice. I asked him once, when he would run out of songs to sing, and he replied that that would happen "'bout the same time the creek runs out of fish, or the grass runs out of fireflies, or the sky runs out of stars."

It was in this way that I learned that the songs would always be there, just waiting for him to tease them out of hiding like the shy chatoyant creatures that crept further and further up the yard as the night bloomed, as if to hear him sing all the better. If there is "work" in The World to Come, the rest of us will all find new "careers." But they will have to let my Gampop go on singing just as always, for there could be no higher purpose to which he might be put, nor any greater pleasure for the rest of us than to be permitted, once again, to hear him sing.

Fondly,

Shula


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Subject: RE: Who's the 'Best' folk singer you know?
From: Barbara Shaw
Date: 25 Mar 99 - 09:11 PM

Shula, it's so nice to have you back. Thank you for sharing your grandfather with us.


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Subject: RE: Who's the 'Best' folk singer you know?
From: Susan A-R
Date: 25 Mar 99 - 09:37 PM

Hi Balladsingin' I've always wanted to apprentice myself to Norman Kennedy, as he is just down the road apiece. I'd love to learn all of that stuff, and I am more Scots than anything else (which isn't saying much, being a true mongrel)


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Subject: RE: Who's the 'Best' folk singer you know?
From: Sandy Paton
Date: 25 Mar 99 - 10:18 PM

Thank you, Shula. Now I can see even more clearly why everyone has been asking about you. I'll have to go back and find other threads to which you have contributed. That was truly beautiful!

Sandy


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Subject: RE: Who's the 'Best' folk singer you know?
From: Art Thieme
Date: 25 Mar 99 - 10:38 PM

PAUL DURST---because he is the man who pulled me into this music first. It was 196i---I was 20 years old & taped Paul's WOBBLY (I.W.W.) songs on my old 2-track reel-to-reel Webcor. Those songs opened a window to history for me that has never shut. 93 years old then, Paul born in 1868---was a human time machine---a fiddler filled with fire and anger at things unequal and economically and socially obscene. A hobo riding the rails from harvest job to warm sunny southern places while winter froze the North. Jumpin' freights with a fiddle on his back. Was at the Ludlow massacre and asleep under a Chicago boardwalk when the bomb went off at a place called the Haymarket----yes, THE Haymarket. Built a raft/flatboat of Northern hardwood in Minnesots and rode the Mississippi to the Gulf where it brought good cash for the lumber.

And I've never seen him since that day...

Ask Mick to tell ya if I'm jive; I sent him a tape of old Paul Durst a while back, knowing Mick's dedication to his union. Come on in, if ya will Mick. Don't that ancient tape evoke the man and the time and the struggles.

That's why Paul Durst will remain the finest folksinger I've ever known.

Art Thieme


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Subject: RE: Who's the 'Best' folk singer you know?
From: Big Mick
Date: 25 Mar 99 - 11:12 PM

Shula, I am know that I have been known to pursue the fair Alison relentlessly over the hills and dales of cyberland, but I am afraid that I have just fallen head over heels for you. Your description of Mr. Ben just resonated with me. It was truly beautiful. Some time back Alison and Joe told me that I should read your posts, so I did. I felt that I came to know you, and admire you. I have missed you, by virtue of reading those posts, and I am so glad that you are back with us. Your Grandda lives on, and his voice can be heard, through the little girl sitting in her little rocker, right beside his big rocker. Pass it on, my dear, pass it on.

All the Best and welcome home,

Mick


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Subject: RE: Who's the 'Best' folk singer you know?
From: Big Mick
Date: 25 Mar 99 - 11:21 PM

Friends, the tape of Paul Durst is one of my finest possessions. And it was a gift from Art for which I am forever indebted. It is absolutely amazing to me what is on it. The fact that this man witnessed some of the most important events of the late nineteenth and early twentieth century firsthand, just absolutely boggles the mind. I had to email my dear friend Art just to ask him if he had any sense that the man was delusional, even though I could tell from listening that he wasn't. For those of you who don't know, I am a labor organizer and amateur labor historian. For me to be able to hear the voice of this witness to Ludlow and Haymarket and many other of labor's history is very hard to describe. I will write more later.

Mick


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Subject: RE: Who's the 'Best' folk singer you know?
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Date: 26 Mar 99 - 12:07 AM

Dear Barbara and Sandy,

Thanks for the compliments, and the warm welcome.

Dear Mick,

Your kindly words do an old heart good, but I'm obliged to say that I am most happily bespoke long since, and my own sweet darlin' has visited The Mudcat himself, a time or two, and mightn't cotton to competition so late in the day.

Glad you liked my recollection of my Gampop, though. (If you'd like a sample of the dialect used by the hillfolk I recall from visiting my grandparents, I sent a post last night to the "Does Anyone Know How Shula Is Doing?" thread, in that "voice," to account for my lengthy absence.) Dear Mick AND Art,

As for YOUR experiences, I am very interested to hear more about Paul Durst. My own bias is socialist and pro-union. Sixties protests, time spent on strike as a member of the teacher's union in Philadelphia, and an interest in Jewish-American history (from my mother's side), combined to make an unlikely radical of me. So I, for one, would love to know more about the life and times of this hero of the working man. Do tell.

Eagerly,

Shula


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Subject: RE: Who's the 'Best' folk singer you know?
From: catspaw49
Date: 26 Mar 99 - 01:40 AM

I was about to go to the Alvarez Guitar thread and "do a catspaw" for Sandy on the exploits of 'Paw and Cletus since Clete's incarceration at the Neil Young Center for the Terminally Screwed. Sorry Sandy...that'll hold til tomorrow. It's been one trying day and I have just finished "catspaw's bedtime story"...a soothing and inspirational tome brought to me by Shula and Art. I checked in here just to see what was new, this thread has been a "lurker" for me...Best isn't easy to figure and so many keep coming up.

But the essence of folk is story telling. Keeping history alive and vibrant through the telling of stories about the common man and the events and times he lives in and through. It's not about great musicianship, original tunes, or all the other things we talk about so often, though they're all a part of it too. The essence is the story that carves it's way into our soul.

Tonight, the two best folksingers I know are Shula and Art Thieme. Art sent chills through me as I read his heartfelt and passionate description of Paul Durst. And Shula, words escape me to describe that sense of being there..."joining you on the porch" so to speak. When I first came to the'Cat I did a lot of old thread research and developed an admiration for both of you and tonight you have both struck me with an even greater sense of awe.

And you did something else. I'm an aging '60's radical who woke up one morning 7-8 years ago, buttoned his vest, straightened his tie, looked in the mirror and asked, "What the hell happened to me?" I began an immediate turn around to try to bridge the gap and return to where I was going before and the person I was. The changes were many and though folk music had remained with me, it had not been playing the strong theme of my youth. It has reclaimed it's place and we now do things that make a difference, things to leave the legacy to my sons that they can view with pride and continue on. Now and again, I need a sort of validation for my actions...tonight it came from the two of you. Many thanks.

Tomorrow I'll return to our little cyber village. I'll foray out from my litterbox and poke fun, tell nasty stories, continue on with long winded tales of crazed tiple bands and Bob Dole's Erectile Dysfunction...you know, the catspaw usual. Tonight I'm going to read the posts again and sleep happily. The 'Cat IS a most unique and wonderful place.

catspaw

P.S....Shula, forget the Irish guy, I think he's out on the road now!!! You need a man who can BE THERE to cater to your every whim. A guy who can cook like you wouldn't believe and do the dishes too. 'Course if you're going for looks I can't hold a candle to Mick. But wait...what about a threesome???...gotta' keep Mick around anyway since HE'S got those tapes from Art ...then again you already have a guy...OKAY, A FOURSOME!!! Wait a minute, we set you up as Queen, yeah, this has potential. Lemme' think on it.


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Subject: RE: Who's the 'Best' folk singer you know?
From: Art Thieme
Date: 26 Mar 99 - 11:31 AM

WHEW!!!

More later...

Art


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Subject: RE: Who's the 'Best' folk singer you know?
From: Sandy Paton
Date: 26 Mar 99 - 01:37 PM

My newly discovered love for Shula is none the less for the fact that it's Platonic, Catspaw.

Sandy


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Subject: RE: Who's the 'Best' folk singer you know?
From: catspaw49
Date: 26 Mar 99 - 03:29 PM

Well damn Sandy, of course it's platonic! Say, wait a minute, what kind of dirty mind have you got there anyway? So listen up, see we install Shula as Queen and then all types of court servant types are possible. Your tremendous historical knowledge would be invaluable; I can imagine you, Caroline, and Shula exchanging "war stories." And my cookin' is fine but Karen is a bread maker beyond compare. And I can see Fielding getting into this too.

Of course the spouses and families are involved!!!!.......'cause I suspect that much like me, you ain't squat without them. I just gotta' iron out the details in this regency thing.

catspaw


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Subject: RE: Who's the 'Best' folk singer you know?
From: Sam Pirt
Date: 26 Mar 99 - 04:49 PM

Graham Pirts not a bad folk singer ether!!

Bye, Sam


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Subject: RE: Who's the 'Best' folk singer you know?
From: alison
Date: 28 Mar 99 - 06:54 AM

Hi Shula,

Lovely to see you back... and your posting about your grandfather was just gorgeous........

Now Mick................. does this mean Joe's in with a chance again????? **grin**

Slainte

alison


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Subject: RE: Who's the 'Best' folk singer you know?
From: Library Lady
Date: 28 Mar 99 - 10:55 PM

No particular order. I admit, they change according to my mood.HazelDickensDocWatsonIrisDementStanRogersMargaretMcArthurLeadbellyNimrodWorkmanJeanRitchieGeorgeTuckerSiKahnGuyCarawanBuffyStMarieGillianWelchPeteSeegerMikeSeegerPeggySeegerKeolaBeemerAnyNativeAmericanSingerTomChapinEllenCottonJeanRedpathDocWatsonJimmyDriftwoodAlanFreemanTomLeherRalphGoodenoughNealWaltersMegChristianOscarBrandArloGuthrieWoodyGuthrieJohnPrineGregBrownTomPaxtonJaySmarJackElliotSteveGoodmanRobertEarlJoanBaezJoanieMitchell, basically.


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Subject: RE: Who's the 'Best' folk singer you know?
From: BK
Date: 28 Mar 99 - 11:57 PM

Shula: as often happens on the Mudcat, you just knocked my socks off! You've gotta write a song or two, & LOTS more stories.. abt yer gampop.

We were all "warmed by fires we did not build;" I had a great-aunt who mostly raised me &, tho perhaps subtler, affected me much as yer gampop did you. My wife had the same in her grandma.

There are the singers of the heart, of our personal worlds, like the folks above, who bless us more than we sometimes realize, (esp while it's happening), and there are the folks we go to hear perform, or sometimes are lucky enough to sing alondside of, & I would not want to do w/out either. Luck lady! You had the best of both in one person...

As for the response to the title of the thread: Hard to decide on favorites when my hard drive has only 11 gig or so to store the names in ascii, & I dont have several years to type, & they change w/the wind, & the list continues expanding.

I know a lot of the names mentioned above & agree w/every name I know (& will trust the 'catters for those I don't know). I still love to listen to Ian & Sylvia - often Northern Journey - & my other old favorites, mostly listed above.. Will just mention a few names that I didn't notice in this long thread, then shut down; sweetie just said she's not feelin' well & it's late...

Joe & eddie - fabulous

The Furies, esp doing Eric Bogle songs - or "the Old Man," & esp when Davie Arthur was with them

Steel Eye Span, esp Maddy Prior's wonderful leads, Wow!

Stan's "little" 6'4" or 5" brother, Garnett Rogers - a superb player & rich voiced singer, who writes w/an artists eye for subtlties & for relationships - & loves, & raises horses w/his wife.

The list really could go on & on... Gotta go

Cheers, BK


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Subject: RE: Who's the 'Best' folk singer you know?
From: BK
Date: 29 Mar 99 - 08:47 PM

Next day; abt as close to being awake as I ever am after eating dinner, & a lot more than I was late last night; How could I ever have left off Danny Doyle; from Erin but living in VA nowadays, occ plays in DC area Irish pubs - not to best advantage, as he'll be quick to tell you many of them don't want any real music, just background brainless stuff (if I can paraphrase him) for yuppies to shout down while "networking" in expensive business clothes; Irish muzak, performed live.

You gotta see him in a real concert or get his recent CD's to appreciate this incredibly fine performer and arranger; for me, he epitomizes the quintissential Irish folk singer/tenor. Not necessarily focussed on writing, rather, on performing. Some recordings that jump readily to mind: "Christmas in the Trenches," "Kilkelly Ireland," "Immigrant Eyes," (spectacular! the immagry is stunning) "The Rose of Saigon," (also spectacular, based on a true story, abt a pair of new Irish immigrant brothers sent to 'Nam, only 1 came back), "The Moon on Clancy's Wings," many others...

For me, his evocation of the power, the immagry, yes, even the magic in these songs takes my breath away. If I ever grow up, that's how I'd like to sing... Often, the magic is inside of us, the songs help to bring it out. Whew! I'm gettin schmaltzy, again...

& Speaking of "Take My breath Away," there's 'Balmer's own, "Sanders, Cass & White," who could easily take yer breath away, esp their song abt the AIDS quilt, forget it's name at the moment, but I dont forget how it sounds - or feels.. By rights, it ought to be a million seller..

Really, the list is endless, gotta go..

Cheers, BK


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Subject: RE: Who's the 'Best' folk singer you know?
From: BK
Date: 29 Mar 99 - 08:50 PM

Sorry for the multiple; it's evidently my increasingly unsatisfactory ISP.. or microsloppy's handiwork.. again; gonna switch to netscape soon.

Cheers, BK


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Subject: Lyr Add: BUFFALO BILL^^
From: Art Thieme
Date: 31 Mar 99 - 02:03 AM

Shula & all,

Off the top o' m' head--this is what comes back now...

Paul Durst's parents came to the U.S.A. in 1848. They wound up in Wisconsin because it reminded them of their home in Switzerland. Paul had strong remembrances of his youth (born in 1868). Living in a log home behind a log stockade of sorts. "Behind the logs with a lantern hanging off the end of your rifle. The wolves'd come in toward the compound and the light from the lantern's fire would reflect from the eyes of the animalals. You'd just see two glowing dots out there in the below zero winter blackness---and you'd aim between the dots of light. And we'd just knock 'em off--one after the other. The pelts'd make good warm clothing."

Later, Paul worked for the Buffalo Bill Wild West Show. He had whiskers just like Bill and so folks started calling him Buffalo Bill too. A friend later wrote a song about Paul that was called, "BUFFALO BILL". Paul gave me a printed copy of the song on September 20th, 1961. Tune was "THE WABASH CANNONBALL"

I know an old time friend of mine who travelled the hobo way,
From coast to coast through Canada, so this I heard him say,
He rode the rods, climbed high on top, caught many on the fly,
Cooked his meals in jungle style while watching the trains roll by.

Those jungles were quiteplentiful along most railroad tracks,
Where many 'boes were camping--some with bindles on their backs,
While coffeepots and kettles made out of old tin cans,
Were strung along the cooking place with many frying pans.

The reason for his roaming he tried hard to explain,
You see the jobs were far apart and seasonal in the main,
For when the wheat was harvested, the apples needed men,
This forced him to the hobo life with many of his kin.

Never underrate a hobo for he has skill and wisdom too,
The one I'm writin' this about always knows what to do,
When times get tough you'll see him busy entertaining men,
With familiar lines of music played on his violin.

So come and see the double of old time Circus Bill,
Drop in some friendlt tavern where you'll surely get a thrill,
I know that he'll amuse you while fiddlin' on a string,
But don't forget some silver--just enough to make it ring.

This is the history of one who went through the mill,
He's nicknamed in the cities by the name of Buffalo Bill,
You can find him now on skid row with a fiddle in his hand,
Travellin' up and down Madison Street---this happy smilin' man.

Paul told me that a fellow in California had compoed this song about him several years earlier---but he didn't remember how many...and he didn't recall the guy's name.

Yep, he'd been a part of the old Buffalo Bill Wild West Show---along with Sitting Bull and many others. They took a ship to Europe (actually Germany) with the show and inadvertantly introduced Hoof And Mouth Disease to Europe. All of Bill's show cattle had to be slaughtered over there and Bill (and all) came home pretty much broke. Bill had to be re-financed by an old friend--P.T. Barnum--another great showman of that era.

But "Madison Street" mentioned in this song isn't in California; that was Chicago's Skid Row up until recently---still is here in 1999 to an extent. Madison Street was where Pete Leibundguth (the owner of The Fret Sop--a music store on 57th St. in Chicago--found Paul. Mr. Durst, 93 then, broke, was pretty much in decline. So Pete asked Paul Durst to move into the back room of his shop which had once been a concession stand for the World's Columbian Exposition in 1893. I was teaching a beginning guitar course there then. Jim Kweskin was teaching an advanced guitar pickin' course then--1961. And that was how I got to know (and tape) Paul Durst. I was too young to know the right things to ask him though. God , I do wish I knew then all that I know now; it would've been one hell of an interview.

Paul had a stroke a few months later. It got so bad that, while he was in the hospital and paralized on one side, they brought a priest in to give him the Last Rites. Paul woke up and saw this gy standing over him and mumbling something and it enraged Paul. Remember this old man was half a vegetable, but he managed, in his anger, to bodily throw the priest out of his hospital room!!! (Paul was a lifelong atheist.)

Well, Paul made a recovery and was, once again, back living in the back room of the Fret Shop. A lady of about 70 years came into the store to get a uke for a kid. They got to talking...The last I saw of Paul was when he moved in to live with that lady. I was amazed.

After that, I never did see Paul again. But a year or so later the Chicago paper had a story about an old man with a long flowing beard who had been found dead on the lower level of Wacker Drive in Chicago--in an out of the way spot under the Michigan Avenue Bridge. "The man", the caption on a photo read, "had only a beat up old fiddle with him!"

Art Thieme


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Subject: RE: Who's the 'Best' folk singer you know?
From: Shula
Date: 04 Apr 99 - 05:41 AM

Dear Folks,

For those who read and liked my recollection of my grandfather's singing, (and, to tell the truth, to see how well memory had served me), I went to the online archives of The Virginia Folklore Society to see what might be recorded there about him. I found ( in a much longer and, for the most part, drier, document) the following references.

"Two figures, who were important in the later periods of the [Virginia Folklore] Society's history, appeared on the scene for the first time at the 10th annual meeting on November 30, 1923... One of these persons was Benjamin C. Moomaw, Jr. of Barber, Virginia, who was elected Secretary-Treasurer of the Society. He, along with Miss Alfreda M. Peel, 'delighted the audience by singing many of the ballads that the Society [had] collected.' The second individual was Arthur Kyle Davis, Jr. [who] was elected Archivist of the Society at that meeting. [Davis authored the volumes, 'Traditional Ballads of Virginia' and 'More T. B. of VA']

... a collaborative effort to revitalize the Society shortly after Davis's death involved long-time members, Ben C. Moomaw, Jr., President; C. Alphonso Smith, Jr. and Virginia F. Jordan, Vice-Presidents; and Fred F. Knobloch, Secretary-Treasurer; ..., and many others.

...the reorganized Society retained the stamp of an earlier era, which was manifested to a large degree through the personalities and interests of Ben C. Moomaw, Jr., who continued as president of the Society until his death in 1978, and Fred F. Knobloch, the Society's secretary-treasurer...

Mr. Moomaw was a fine storyteller and singer, who insisted that the program for the meetings should be a mix of scholarly presentations alternating with ballad singing and tale telling. He also determined that Barbara Allen should be the Society's emblematic ballad and should be sung at the beginning of each meeting.

The front-page obituary for Moomaw in the Covington Virginian of March 13, 1978 noted that 'His hobby for Virginia Folklore brought him in contact with the Virginia Folklore Society and after serving as the state secretary for several years, he assumed the office of president of that group.' The lengthy memorial dwelt mostly on Moomaw's Chamber of Commerce work and it clearly held his greatest contribution to have been the effort to secure construction of Gathright Dam, which created the lake named for him, Lake Moomaw. For those who heard his virtuoso recitations from memory of examples from Peter Piper's Practical Principles of Plain and Perfect Pronunciation at Society meetings, however, he will be remembered differently."

Had it about right, doncha reckon?

Shula


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Subject: RE: Who's the 'Best' folk singer you know?
From: Dr John
Date: 04 Apr 99 - 08:18 AM

Sorry to say I'd never heard of Art Thiem until his name kept appearing on the Mudcat. Then went to the Waterbug site a found a clip: great stuff, I'll certainly buy the CD. Add him to my list!


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Subject: RE: Who's the 'Best' folk singer you know?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 01 Sep 01 - 01:24 AM

New favorites?

Eric Bibb, Gillian Welch....

~S~


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Subject: RE: Who's the 'Best' folk singer you know?
From: forty two
Date: 01 Sep 01 - 07:02 AM

Well I'm surprised that he hasn't been mentioned (unless I have missed it) seeing as his web site was talked about recently: Dick Gaughan has surely got to be up there. What a voice that man has.

And as for women, again I am quite surprised she's not mentioned but Karen Casey has got to be one of the best Irish Traditional singers around on the circuit at the moment.

forty two


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Subject: RE: Who's the 'Best' folk singer you know?
From: GUEST,Roger
Date: 01 Sep 01 - 09:24 AM

Best is such a subjective title. Fair to say that if I hadn't involuntarily heard Derek Moffat singing with the MacCalmans at my rugby club 20 years ago I would never have been introduced to this music that has given me so many, many hours of pleasure. And now my kids too. Given the sad news elsewhere in the forum, I'd like to record my gratitude.


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Subject: RE: Who's the 'Best' folk singer you know?
From: Peg
Date: 01 Sep 01 - 09:42 AM

I think Dick and Karan are excellent too! They are both coming to Boston very soon...


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Subject: RE: Who's the 'Best' folk singer you know?
From: GUEST,Mac Tattie
Date: 01 Sep 01 - 10:41 AM

Well with many of the names already mentioned this thread certainly proves,"you can fool some of the people some of the time", or, "there is no such thing as bad publicity". Anyway, here's my selection of "best" folksinger :- "On speaking terms with", Heather Heywood, Ray Fisher and Archie Fisher. "Talked to them once and taken a photo", Martin Carthy, Dick Gaughan, Vin Garbut, Norman Kennedy. "Watched,listened and enjoyed on stage" Lizzie Higgins, Willie Scott, Mary Dillon, Cathy Jordan, Ishbel MacAskill. cheers


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Subject: RE: Who's the 'Best' folk singer you know?
From: GUEST,Don McLean
Date: 01 Sep 01 - 10:54 AM

me


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Subject: RE: Who's the 'Best' folk singer you know?
From: Bill D
Date: 01 Sep 01 - 12:43 PM

sorry, Don, old bean...but you never were a 'folk' singer.

A good singer, and you write some nice songs...but...*grin*, as resident (self-appointed)folk facist, I hereby disqualify you.

(sure I can!, if you can vote for him, I can disqualify him....it's in the rule book.. ;>))


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Subject: RE: Who's the 'Best' folk singer you know?
From: Art Thieme
Date: 01 Sep 01 - 04:35 PM

Bruce Utah Phillips featured my old tape of Paul Durst recently as the subject of one of his Loafers Glory radio shows.

If those are archiveed anywhere -- it was show # 77.

Art


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Subject: RE: Who's the 'Best' folk singer you know?
From: GUEST,Annraoi
Date: 01 Sep 01 - 10:27 PM

I'd go along with GUEST Don Mc Clean: by far and away the best folk/trad singer I have ever listened is definitely "ME"
Annraoi


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Subject: RE: Who's the 'Best' folk singer you know?
From: DougR
Date: 01 Sep 01 - 11:54 PM

The thread title is a bit misleading, I think. The title suggests who is the best folk singer you "know." That would imply that you know the person, I would think. Using that criteria as a basis, I'd have to say, Billy Edd Wheeler, though, admittedly, he may be considered more a songwriter than performer. He's a pretty damned good performer too, though.

DougR


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Subject: RE: Who's the 'Best' folk singer you know?
From: GUEST,Annraoi
Date: 02 Sep 01 - 06:35 AM

I don't follow your *correction*. I still think it's *me*. After all, who knows *me* better ?
Annraoi


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Subject: RE: Who's the 'Best' folk singer you know?
From: Art Thieme
Date: 02 Sep 01 - 11:12 AM

Bill D,

I fully understand your including )) on your smiley face ;-))

I shaved my beard a while ago and found too damn many of those. So I grew it back !

Art


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Subject: RE: Who's the 'Best' folk singer you know?
From: wildlone
Date: 02 Sep 01 - 11:49 AM

John Waltham


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Subject: RE: Who's the 'Best' folk singer you know?
From: CRANKY YANKEE
Date: 02 Sep 01 - 12:11 PM

Me


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Subject: RE: Who's the 'Best' folk singer you know?
From: GUEST,Carolina
Date: 02 Sep 01 - 01:27 PM

Liam Clancy -- hands down.


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Subject: RE: Who's the 'Best' folk singer you know?
From: kendall
Date: 02 Sep 01 - 03:35 PM

Define folksinger..hehehe


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Subject: RE: Who's the 'Best' folk singer you know?
From: GUEST,RL
Date: 03 Sep 01 - 12:41 AM

All time favorite: Joseph Parsons-kind of rock,blue,folk I also like John Gorka, John Prine, Ian Matthews


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Subject: RE: Who's the 'Best' folk singer you know?
From: GUEST,AKRick
Date: 03 Sep 01 - 09:42 AM

I've seen Archie Fisher almost a dozen times in the last few years and have never been less than enchanted. He's amazing. I recently acquired the Anne Briggs collection (mostly accapella) and can't get it out of my CD player ... have begun working out guitar accompaniments to the tunes for my own fun. I saw Waterson-Carthy two nights in a row a few months ago ... phenominal!


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Subject: RE: Who's the 'Best' folk singer you know?
From: InOBU
Date: 03 Sep 01 - 09:48 AM

Ralph Scott... the Mudcat's own "Popular Halfwit" Soon to be available on Hearthside Cultural Cooperative's lable... no kidding, Cathal McConnell says he reminds him of Martin Carthy...and then some! - Larry


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Subject: RE: Who's the 'Best' folk singer you know?
From: GUEST,Deda
Date: 03 Sep 01 - 02:44 PM

I'm a pretty big fan of Don McLean, but the best folksinger I KNOW has always been my bro Amos. You all know he can write lyrics but he can sing and play the guitar, too. Family legend says that his first words were "Jimmy crack corn and I don't care.."

I've recently been on a big Tom Paxton kick, too. But of course I don't know him. I knew the late and very lamented Bill Crofut, and I love his CDs.

--Not really a guest, just at home on my terribly slow home line & machine.


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Subject: RE: Who's the 'Best' folk singer you know?
From: GUEST,Steven G.
Date: 03 Sep 01 - 04:00 PM

I really enjoy listening to Gordon Lightfoot's music, because he has some great hits like Early Morning Rain, Canadian Railway Trilogy, and so many more. I think he is a great folk singer/songwriter.

Another person would be Stan Rogers. I really enjoy his music like Make and Break Harbour, Barretts Privateers, and Northwest Passage. Unfortunately he passed away in 1983, but his music lives on.

And there are other singer/songwriters from Canada, like Gene MacLellan, Ian and Sylvia Tyson, Garnet Rogers, so many great singers.

Steven


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Subject: RE: Who's the 'Best' folk singer you know?
From: Walking Eagle
Date: 04 Sep 01 - 11:58 AM

Helena Triplett - - REAL old time!


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Subject: RE: Who's the 'Best' folk singer you know?
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Sep 01 - 12:39 PM

Joan Baez


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Subject: RE: Who's the 'Best' folk singer you know?
From: CET
Date: 04 Sep 01 - 04:59 PM

At one time I would have said Liam Clancy, without hesitation. I heard Sean Keane sing at the Goderich Celtic College and Celtic Roots Festival, and now I'm not sure.

For female singers I haven't heard anybody to beat Janet Russell, but then I'm partial to mezzos.

Edmund


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Subject: RE: Who's the 'Best' folk singer you know?
From: GUEST,Doc Rock
Date: 04 Sep 01 - 05:40 PM

Put me down for Loreena McKennitt. But i could just as easily go with Robert Elkins, formerly of the band Cajun Gold.


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Subject: RE: Who's the 'Best' folk singer you know?
From: GUEST,Trinidad
Date: 04 Jan 02 - 06:51 PM

HHHMMMMMmmmmm, Male: Terry Conway, not as well known as he should be!

Female: Kate Rusby and Eliza Carthy tied!

Duo: The Corries - you really can't beat 'em!

Instrumentalists: I saw this great band at the King's head, Allendale. They were called Tryckster and they rock! erm, there are so many really, but that's the cream of live performers!


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Subject: RE: Who's the 'Best' folk singer you know?
From: kendall
Date: 04 Jan 02 - 07:06 PM

I know too many of these people to stick my neck out and name the "best". How can I when my best friend in the world is on other people's list? Godon Bok. I like Glen Yarbrough too, but, why does he have to imitate Sandy Paton?


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