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Taylor Guitars

Big Al Whittle 27 Oct 06 - 04:31 PM
Wesley S 27 Oct 06 - 04:40 PM
kendall 27 Oct 06 - 04:49 PM
number 6 27 Oct 06 - 05:39 PM
LesB 27 Oct 06 - 05:53 PM
Richard Bridge 27 Oct 06 - 06:04 PM
GUEST,Bernie 27 Oct 06 - 08:32 PM
Mooh 27 Oct 06 - 09:04 PM
GUEST,SJ 28 Oct 06 - 04:41 AM
kendall 28 Oct 06 - 08:41 AM
GUEST 28 Oct 06 - 10:17 AM
Richard Bridge 28 Oct 06 - 10:33 AM
number 6 28 Oct 06 - 10:51 AM
GUEST,Ray 28 Oct 06 - 11:23 AM
harpmaker 28 Oct 06 - 02:06 PM
number 6 28 Oct 06 - 02:32 PM
GUEST,Wesley S 28 Oct 06 - 03:03 PM
michaelr 28 Oct 06 - 10:31 PM
Big Al Whittle 29 Oct 06 - 07:00 AM
Richard Bridge 29 Oct 06 - 07:21 AM
Richard in Manchester 29 Oct 06 - 07:45 AM
kendall 29 Oct 06 - 07:59 AM
GUEST,Strollin' Johnny on his work 'pooter 29 Oct 06 - 08:42 AM
number 6 29 Oct 06 - 09:02 AM
Big Al Whittle 29 Oct 06 - 09:23 AM
Phil Cooper 29 Oct 06 - 09:26 AM
number 6 29 Oct 06 - 09:30 AM
Richard Bridge 29 Oct 06 - 09:44 AM
number 6 29 Oct 06 - 10:03 AM
Richard Bridge 29 Oct 06 - 10:38 AM
GUEST,secular dude 29 Oct 06 - 10:58 AM
Richard Bridge 29 Oct 06 - 11:07 AM
Spot 29 Oct 06 - 11:19 AM
Ebbie 29 Oct 06 - 01:43 PM
kendall 29 Oct 06 - 05:24 PM
Ref 29 Oct 06 - 08:13 PM
Richard Bridge 29 Oct 06 - 09:35 PM
Phil Cooper 29 Oct 06 - 11:37 PM
breezy 30 Oct 06 - 08:39 AM
Ned Ludd 30 Oct 06 - 05:37 PM
kendall 30 Oct 06 - 07:39 PM
number 6 30 Oct 06 - 09:28 PM
Big Al Whittle 31 Oct 06 - 03:23 AM
breezy 31 Oct 06 - 05:13 AM
GUEST,Strollin' Johnny at the Mill 31 Oct 06 - 07:26 AM
GUEST,Ray 31 Oct 06 - 11:50 AM
GUEST,Russ 31 Oct 06 - 01:21 PM
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Subject: Taylor Guitars
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 27 Oct 06 - 04:31 PM

I saw a 314ce, and was very impressed. Has anybody got one and recorded with it?

If so, I would be glad of hearing your impressions. If you think I would be better off with another model, speak up - before I get one which would probably be at the acoustic avalon in Leicester in 3 weeks time.

Your input would be appreciated. I think I've read all the other stuff on the web about them, but I'd like to hear it from a folk perspective.


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Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: Wesley S
Date: 27 Oct 06 - 04:40 PM

I don't care for them. But the guitar player in our group has that same model and loves it. If it speaks to you - buy it.


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Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: kendall
Date: 27 Oct 06 - 04:49 PM

810. no equal.


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Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: number 6
Date: 27 Oct 06 - 05:39 PM

I have a 310. Damned good axe and well respected by fellow musicians who have played it. One comment from a guitarist who jammed with it one night, "that is one religeous guitar".

biLL


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Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: LesB
Date: 27 Oct 06 - 05:53 PM

I have a 314 & I love it. Mine has not got electrics or a cutaway. I don't need either. In fact it's hard to find one without a cutaway these days.
I'm of the opinion that unless you use the dusty end a lot it's unnecesary, in fact i'm convinced that the sound on the cutaway version is never as good as the normal version. Apart from that it doesn't look as good.
Cheers
Les


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Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 27 Oct 06 - 06:04 PM

Soulless


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Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: GUEST,Bernie
Date: 27 Oct 06 - 08:32 PM

I had a 414Ce....loud but "harsh"......traded for a 514CE....sweet and nice.......should have kept it........went back to Taylor last year,all I could afford at the time was a used 314CE....all the ones I had seen or played over the last ten years I thought were a little too bright and thin-sounding,although wonderfully playable......My 314CE is a "30th anniversary"[few extra cosmetic features which I would never pay for new].......it seems to have more "Bottom"than most,a little sweeter and rounded in tonality,somewhat similar to a D16 Martin.....perhaps they use a slightly better grade of Saepele/Mahogany ??..so,I guess it's still a bit of a crapshoot..... my wife says"one of these days you'll smarten up!.....I say "yeah,but I don't wanna'rush into it"....


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Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: Mooh
Date: 27 Oct 06 - 09:04 PM

Some I've heard have been wonderful, others not so. A koa model in Elderly Music a few years ago was fantastic, but a friend's (which he loves) is a piece'o'crap if I ever heard one. Beauty is in the ears of the beholder apparently.

However, they make so many of so many models that if you can't find one you like I'd be surprised. Ten years ago I was considering one but eventually decided to have a guitar made by a small shop, and I've never been happier.

Peace, Mooh.


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Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: GUEST,SJ
Date: 28 Oct 06 - 04:41 AM

They're highly playable, all of 'em, great action, nice neck, as good as any on the market - can't fault them on that score.

BUT (and it's a very big BUT), I've never heard a Taylor that had any life in the sound when played unplugged. They're like Tak's in that respect - great plugged in, no personality and very, very uninspiring when played unplugged.

And far, far too effin' expensive for what you get.

If you want that kind of guitar, buy a Tak and save a lot of money.


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Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: kendall
Date: 28 Oct 06 - 08:41 AM

GUEST SJ, I wish you could play my Taylor. It is as close to perfect as I have ever seen in a guitar. It has everything, power, bass, strong even when capoed, and it plays like butter.
Right, Bernie?


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Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Oct 06 - 10:17 AM

Collings guy here


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Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 28 Oct 06 - 10:33 AM

I don't think Taylors are bad (although I know of one very pretty and expensive birdseye maple one on which I think the intonation is distinctly suspect)- they just (mostly) seem to be a bit characterless - the thing that gives you that little shiver (the HUGE bass on Fisheye's Yamaha FG360, the rasp on Jeff RIPOHMSs Gibson J-45, the sheer punch of William Pint's Koa Goodall the simple but clean loudness of some Armstrongs) seems to be missing.


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Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: number 6
Date: 28 Oct 06 - 10:51 AM

"the thing that gives you that little shiver "

All depends on what makes you shiver.

That mystical deep south howl of Robert Johnson's Stella or his Gibson Kalamazoo ... or the sweet angelic hypnotic draw of John Renbourn's Guild-55.

I'd have to say it's not the guitar ... it's the artist that reaches down and gives ya that 'shiver'.

sIx


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Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: GUEST,Ray
Date: 28 Oct 06 - 11:23 AM

If you're set on a Taylor all well and good but, personally, I agree with the "soulless" comment.

The Leicester show isn't the best way of buying a guitar unless you get there as the place opens on the Saturday morning - by mi-day it'll be too noisy to make an objective decision and the strings are also likely to be shot.

My advice, for what its worth, is to decide on your budget and go with your ears - and then add a bit more to the budget; you'll have to live with it.

See you at Leicester - bet Clive Caroll puts you off playing for a while!


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Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: harpmaker
Date: 28 Oct 06 - 02:06 PM

We run our boiler on Taylor guitars.


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Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: number 6
Date: 28 Oct 06 - 02:32 PM

Say what ya may ... but Taylor puts out a decent guitar.

sIx


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Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: GUEST,Wesley S
Date: 28 Oct 06 - 03:03 PM

I'll agree 6 - Taylor makes a decent guitar. Just not a great one. In my opinion. Lots of folks would disagree with my viewpoint.


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Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: michaelr
Date: 28 Oct 06 - 10:31 PM

Bob Taylor just started a new line of "R. Taylor" guitars -- essentially a small luthierie but assisted by the Taylor factory's resources. Might be worth checking out.

Cheers,
Michael


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Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 29 Oct 06 - 07:00 AM

I'm not sure I can afford a REALLY good guitar.

I have been using yamaha cpx's - which are pretty good live - but they are not solid wood guitars and I should like something with a better tone for recording, plus a decent set of electrics - something at least as good as the Baggs system in the cpx15cm.

Has anybody any experience of the Taylor subsidiary Turner, which apparently works out of China?


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Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 29 Oct 06 - 07:21 AM

I think Yamaha Compass CPXs are solid tops. And the CPX 15 range is really quite expensive....


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Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: Richard in Manchester
Date: 29 Oct 06 - 07:45 AM

I have to agree with the soulless/characterless comments on Taylors. They look nicely put together, but not much seems to come out of the ones I'm acquainted with.

May I suggest, weelittledrummer, that as you're considering spending the sort of cash that would get you a Taylor, you might want to have a chat to Jonny Kinkade (www.kinkadeguitars.co.uk) before you commit.


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Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: kendall
Date: 29 Oct 06 - 07:59 AM

Apparently not all Taylors are of superior quality, so I can only speak for this one. I started playing guitar when I was 16, and I have played or owned some of the best. Larrivee, Collins, Santa Cruz, Martin, Gibson, Mossman and Guild.

I don't care for the sound of any small body guitar no matter who made it.( One exception, my friend, Bernie in Moncton has a beautiful Martin. I don't know the model, but it's not a Dreadnaught) If your budget calls for an inexpensive guitar, pass over the little ones and get a full size Larrivee. Consider a used one, that's what I did. I paid $900.00 for a Taylor 810 that sold new for $2800.00.

In the end, it's just a matter of opinion, but,trying to match a plywood copy with a real instrument, remember this, No mule ever won the Kentucky Derby.


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Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: GUEST,Strollin' Johnny on his work 'pooter
Date: 29 Oct 06 - 08:42 AM

Kendall, not really disagreeing with you - I think one guy's idea of a good sound might not be the same a another guy's? Until you bring your 810 to Gainsborough, I guess I'll take your word that it's a great sound! :-) :-)

Also, what you maybe don't know is that Taylors are VERY expensive in the UK - more so than an equivalent grade of Martin (not sure that's a beast that exists, but you know what I mean!).

WLD - I've got a nice Lowden, with a Fishman Matrix UST fitted (no on-board controls though) that I might sell at the right price and to a good home. She's played in, and she's loud and proud!
S:0)


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Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: number 6
Date: 29 Oct 06 - 09:02 AM

"Apparently not all Taylors are of superior quality"

That statement can be applied to all mass manufactured brands. Don't forget Martins, Gibsons and Taylors are mass manufactured in factories.

You can find some very exceptional sounding laminated guitars (a solid top is what really does the talking). Case in point Seagulls, and Blueridge.

A mule would not win the Kentucky Derby ... that's for sure as it is not a horse ... but there have been surprises when it comes to winners such as Seabiscuit and Secretariat.

biLL


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Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 29 Oct 06 - 09:23 AM

No I wasn't thinking of spending that much Richard in Manchester. I was hoping to get a guitar + electrics for around the 1000 -1100 mark. it would need to be bloody good to prise any more from me..
Thanks for your concern thaough - I did check his site out!

I paid £640 for a new cpx15cm with case at the avalon last year - there are always price cuts there - thats why I'm hanging on til then.

Ideally I suppose I'd like to spend 2 and a half grand on a Lowden, but I can't afford that - and it would probably be wasted on me anyway. I'm not Bert Jansch or anything like that order of technical playing excellence.

The Taylor sort of leapt up at me as a sensible compromise, when I was in the Sound Control shop in Derby. A year or two ago, I would have bought what I wanted without thinking as it was offset against tax, and i was out gigging somewhere most days. As it is I've not got much income, but I'd still like to make as good a job as I can of the next album/set of recordings.


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Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: Phil Cooper
Date: 29 Oct 06 - 09:26 AM

I have owned four Taylors (still have three) over the years. I've also had a couple different Sanata Cruz's, a Fylde and a Breedlove. I consider my K-14c (cedar top and koa) to be my warhorse guitar. It's got a great but subtle tone. I just wound up buying one of their new GS models (cedar and mahogony) and that has a sound that projects well at a song circle. (My significant other won't let me go string shopping with her anymore, as I picked this one up when we were jsut going for strings). I agree with most posts above that you should go by what moves you when looking for a guitar and not for just a brand name.


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Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: number 6
Date: 29 Oct 06 - 09:30 AM

You should check out the Taylor 210 and 110. These are priced quite reasonable and the ones I've tried have been very impressive.

Note: the 110 is laminated with a solid top.

biLL


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Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 29 Oct 06 - 09:44 AM

For that sort of money wld I'd either hope to pick up a second hand Fylde or maybe Atkin (going on rep here, the only one I played was nice but not spectacular) or if I got really lucky an Armstrong. Have you thought about a second-hand Martin and getting a B-band or a Headway snake put in it if it is not already bugged? Or shop for a discount Gibson J-45 if you like the Gibson sound (it DOES have soul) - my lodger got a Gibson J-45 with fishman (no controls, but preamp) in it brand new, not a factory second, real brand new for £999 under two years ago, and everyone says it is a corker.

All of them sound (IMHO, subject as stated) better unplugged than most Taylors I have heard. The Taylor plugged sound is very forward and present, but tends to sound a bit more like what a soundman thinks an acoustic guitar sounds like than an acoustic guitar really sounds like.

And, yes, in UK Taylors (except big baby, which is not a guitar) tend to be dearer than Martins or Gibsons.


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Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: number 6
Date: 29 Oct 06 - 10:03 AM

I have never liked accoustic guitars that have factory installed electronics.

biLL


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Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 29 Oct 06 - 10:38 AM

Talor 315CE a mere £1400 here at Sheehans


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Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: GUEST,secular dude
Date: 29 Oct 06 - 10:58 AM

Something about a Christian guitar maker making guitars for "praise and worship" makes me a little ill. Sorry, but it's true. I'd have trouble owning a Taylor, knowing that. Plus, they sound kind of thin and sucky. Tell yourselves whatever you want.


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Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 29 Oct 06 - 11:07 AM

Goodness me where do Tayor say that about themselves?


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Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: Spot
Date: 29 Oct 06 - 11:19 AM

Hallo everybody..

                Think I've said this before but... I bought a new 415 several years ago.It was my first inroad to expensive kit..£1200.
It was fine for 6 months (beautifully made etc) but left me waiting for it to develop a bit.It showed no sign - spruce top etc.. Unfortunately, I was deflated with it.... It turned up at a local singaround,6 months ago, was duly recognised by me and played. I was deflated again...Some 6 yrs on it sounded just the same...somehow lacking in character etc. Hmmmm.... Now the Lowden I chopped it in for... I won't go into that here..no need it's wonderful!!

                      Regards to all...Spot


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Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: Ebbie
Date: 29 Oct 06 - 01:43 PM

When I heard Kendall onstage with his guitar, the sound made me sit up and take notice. Maybe not all Taylors sound like that (in fact, I know a couple that do not) but if all guitars did - whooooeeee!.

And I'm a Martin person.


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Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: kendall
Date: 29 Oct 06 - 05:24 PM

Thanks, Ebbie. You have an excellent ear.

Now, I don't mean to imply that only the guitars I listed deserve a good review. There are many great instruments out there that I have never played, so can't really judge.

All Taylors suck? That's laughable.


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Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: Ref
Date: 29 Oct 06 - 08:13 PM

I've got a 710 I won in a raffle a few years ago at Old Songs. I love the sound, but find the action a bit stiff. I'd never buy one, principally because the quality of my playing doesn't justify the expense. I've been impressed with the Seagull brand and you can get a lot of used high quality guitars for less than a Taylor would cost you new. Buy a guitar for the way it sounds and feels to YOU, not to impress anyone else.


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Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 29 Oct 06 - 09:35 PM

Unusual to find one with the action a bit "stiff". Usually they are easy to play, but tending to rattle, which my preferred techie ascribes to a different factory back angle from most other guitars.

Attention to the three usual variables (1) neck progression (2) saddle height and (3) nut height must in principle solve action problems unless there is an intonation or fret fault.


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Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: Phil Cooper
Date: 29 Oct 06 - 11:37 PM

I haven't been a fan of any guitar onboard electronics. The Taylors I've had sounded fine without them. I did finally get highlander internal mics installed and they make the guitar sound like it ought to.


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Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: breezy
Date: 30 Oct 06 - 08:39 AM

I have a baby Taylor for sale inc case


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Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: Ned Ludd
Date: 30 Oct 06 - 05:37 PM

I'm doing a repair on a taylor big baby.... admittedly a budget model. Back hanging off....nothing to glue it back to! No linings on the top bout! I consider that to be cutting corners in a big way.


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Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: kendall
Date: 30 Oct 06 - 07:39 PM

You get what you pay for.


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Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: number 6
Date: 30 Oct 06 - 09:28 PM

"nothing to glue it back to! No linings on the top bout! "

Ahhh ... quit whining ya big baby!!   :)

biLL


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Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 31 Oct 06 - 03:23 AM

bloody hell! I really wasn't expecting it to be this discouraging.

I think I'll go up to the Taylor rep at Avalon and say, have you anything not too characterless, with plenty of glue inside....must have the glue - glue's important to a man like me!


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Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: breezy
Date: 31 Oct 06 - 05:13 AM

mine is in mint condition.


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Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: GUEST,Strollin' Johnny at the Mill
Date: 31 Oct 06 - 07:26 AM

"Ideally I suppose I'd like to spend 2 and a half grand on a Lowden, but I can't afford that"

Mine wouldn't cost anywhere near that Al.


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Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: GUEST,Ray
Date: 31 Oct 06 - 11:50 AM

Forgot to mention, and seeing as no-one else has, have a look at the joint between the neck and head. Most manufacturers stopped producing separate necks/heads umpteen decades ago. Finger joints are not a particular thing of beauty - I have several on a cheap piece of Ikea furniture I bought a couple of years ago - .... and if it ever needs repair!


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Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: GUEST,Russ
Date: 31 Oct 06 - 01:21 PM

weelittledrummer,

Just to make life more complicated.

My own experience suggests that an instrument has at least three distinctly different sounds.

The sound you hear, behind it.

The sound the audience hears, in front of it.

The sound you hear when you are listenting to a recording of it.

Probably lots more, but those are the ones I have personal experience with.

If you are buying the guitar specifically with recording in mind, you really need to hear what it sounds like in a recording.

Russ


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Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 31 Oct 06 - 02:27 PM

Yes Russ.... and what conclusions have you come to, about the recorded sound?

Johnny PM me - give me a ring. I might be really interested in your guitar. Thanks. I'm in most mornings.

al


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Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: Phil Cooper
Date: 31 Oct 06 - 04:07 PM

I think my Taylors have a lot of character. If you go to our website at www.coopernelsonearly.com you can hear the K 14c on most of the songs, the exception being Fare Thee Well my Dearest Dear, which has the 30th anniversary model played. I thought they recorded very well.


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Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: Mooh
Date: 31 Oct 06 - 08:24 PM

I've heard Phil's Taylors up close and personal and agree that they sound very good. Same with Dan Crary's. Same with Chris Proctor's. Same with Dougie Maclean's. I'm sure if I cared I could think of others.

Another friend had a nice older Taylor maple jumbo which was superb, but he gave it up for a Thompson. Nothing wrong with the Taylor, but it didn't suit the player.

Isn't it largely a matter of the right guitar in the right hands?

There are some things I don't like about some Taylors, but that doesn't make them bad, just not suited to me.

Peace, Mooh.


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