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Tune Req: Perth Glovers March

Ian Burdon 02 Oct 06 - 03:29 PM
GUEST 02 Oct 06 - 05:01 PM
GUEST,Jack Campin 02 Oct 06 - 05:15 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 02 Oct 06 - 05:22 PM
Peace 02 Oct 06 - 05:37 PM
Malcolm Douglas 02 Oct 06 - 07:03 PM
GUEST 02 Oct 06 - 07:44 PM
masato sakurai 02 Oct 06 - 08:44 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 02 Oct 06 - 09:13 PM
GUEST 02 Oct 06 - 09:48 PM
manitas_at_work 03 Oct 06 - 06:52 AM
Ian Burdon 03 Oct 06 - 08:03 AM
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Subject: Tune Req: Perth Glovers March
From: Ian Burdon
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 03:29 PM

Can anyone point me in the direction of the dots for the Perth Glovers March?

Thanks

Ian


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Perth Glovers March
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 05:01 PM

"There is still a tune known as the 'Perth Glovers' March,' said to have been heard in 1559; and if this is genuine, it may be looked upon as the oldest dance music in Scotland. When Charles I. was in Perth, in July 1633, he was entertained by a sword dance performed by thirteen of the company of Glovers, perhaps to the tune named above; they wore green caps and silver strings and ribbons, and white shoes with bells about their legs, so it was, perhaps, a kind of Morris dance. At any rate, they danced with many difficult knots and 'alla fallagessa.'"

from

memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?ammem/musdi:@field(DOCID+@lit(M07724))


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Perth Glovers March
From: GUEST,Jack Campin
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 05:15 PM

I can't see an identifiable source for that passage. Anyone know where Mrs Grove got it?

There's no Glover's March or Perth Glover's March in Gore's index.


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Perth Glovers March
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 05:22 PM

Tune lost or guessed at?


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Perth Glovers March
From: Peace
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 05:37 PM

155. "Varia atque breviora: The Perth Glovers." Journal of the English Folk Dance and Song Society. Vol. 3 (Dec. 1937), no. 2, pp. 153-54.

Comments on surviving costume from the glovers' dance of Perth.

156. Wood, Melusine. "Some Notes on Trade Tools and Ritual Dance." Journal of the English Folk Dance and Song Society. Vol. 4 (Dec. 1945), no. 6, pp. 247-53.

Begins with a description of the Perth glovers' dance of 1633. Speculates about tools of different trades as originals of sword dance and rapper implements. (Reprinted in Allsop, Longsword Dances).

157. Wood, Melusine. "Varia atque breviora: Bells and Rapper at Perth." Journal of the English Folk Dance and Song Society. Vol. 3 (Dec. 1936), no. 1, p. 79.

Comments on evidence concerning the dance of the Perth glovers' guild.

from

www.efdss.org/sword.htm


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Perth Glovers March
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 07:03 PM

No tune is given with the Journal pieces cited above.


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Perth Glovers March
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 07:44 PM

Right, Malcolm. Was just to indicate that other sources had at least mentioned the song. I was going to write that but was interrupted by a fire call.


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Perth Glovers March
From: masato sakurai
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 08:44 PM

GUEST's quotation above is from Dancing, by Mrs_ Lilly Grove (Longmans , Green and Co., 1907), p. 196.


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Perth Glovers March
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 09:13 PM

The 1st ed. of "Dancing," by Grove, is 1895; no earlier ed.
Apparently the tune has not been preserved.


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Perth Glovers March
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 09:48 PM

'"Sword dance and Hieland Danses" were included at a reception for Anne of Denmark at Edinburgh in 1589 (6) and a mixture of sword dance and acrobatics was performed before [[James VI]] in 1617 (New Statistical Account of Scotland Edinb. 1845 x, pp. 44-45) and again for Charles I in 1633, by the Incorporation of Skinners and [[Glovers]] of [[Perth]], "his Majesty's chair being set upon the wall next to the Water of Tay whereupon was a floating stage of timber clad about with birks, upon the which for his Majesty's welcome and entry thirteen of our brethren of this calling of Glovers with green caps, silver strings, red ribbons, white shoes and bells upon their legs, shearing rapiers in their hands and all other abulzements, danced our sword dance with many difficult knots and allapallajesse, five being under and five above upon their shoulders, three of them dancing through their feet and about them, drinking wine and breaking glasses. Which (God be praised) was acted and done without hurt or skaith to any."'

from a google of

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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Perth Glovers March
From: manitas_at_work
Date: 03 Oct 06 - 06:52 AM

I just asked Colin Messer of North British Sword about this. Andrew Kennedy, their leader, has recreated the dance. Here's Colin's reply:

"When I looked into this some years ago googling gave references to a Perth Glovers March, but I've never found the music. There is no record of the music played for the sword dance. We use a Scottish Buttered Peas that to my ear is completely different to the English Buttered Peas."

I don't know if this means he didn't search the archives or not.


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Perth Glovers March
From: Ian Burdon
Date: 03 Oct 06 - 08:03 AM

Many thanks for the posts so far. I had done the Googling but reckoned that if anyone would know where to find the music it would be someone here.

Ian


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