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BS: Mark Foley Scandal

GUEST,Old Fat Woody 31 Oct 06 - 10:32 PM
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George Papavgeris 29 Oct 06 - 11:13 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: Mark Foley Scandal
From: GUEST,Old Fat Woody
Date: 31 Oct 06 - 10:32 PM

Greg Jong-il's mentality ( or lack thereof ) at its finest:

Greg Jong-il has a right to his opinion and he is right but Old Guy does not and he is wrong.

RD's hero is Hugo Chavez. His Philosophy is Boycott Walmart not Citgo.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mark Foley Scandal
From: Ron Davies
Date: 30 Oct 06 - 07:21 PM

"not been persuaded about the untenable nature of his position"--well, consider how flexible and open to new information his hero, W, is.   "All we, like sheep..."--at least the followers of the clueless shepherd, Mr Bush.

Fortunately there are not as many in his flock anymore.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mark Foley Scandal
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 29 Oct 06 - 11:13 PM

Well, predictably and even after 399 posts Old Guy has not been persuaded about the untenable nature of his position, so...
























400.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mark Foley Scandal
From: Greg F.
Date: 29 Oct 06 - 11:09 PM

Yup- the BuShite Mentality ( or lack thereof ) at its finest: Sheehan's relatives have a right to their opinion (and they're "right"), but Cindy does not (and she's "wrong").

Jesus wept.

Beam me up, Scotty...


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Subject: RE: BS: Mark Foley Scandal
From: Old Guy
Date: 29 Oct 06 - 10:55 PM

Are saying that Cindy Sheehan's relatives are wrong?

I am saying they are right.

And kissing ass is a figure of speech as you well know but when you find the need, you will take things literally.

Before we go over for the umteenth time, the WMDs that the Democrats claimed were there and the fact that the locals cheered us as liberators, please elaborate on "What Cindy Sheehan did took more moral courage than what her husband did."

And why you are not supporting Chavez. Do you lack the moral courage?

Is that a gun in your pocket or...


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Subject: RE: BS: Mark Foley Scandal
From: Old Guy
Date: 29 Oct 06 - 10:24 PM

Is that a gun in your pocket or...


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Subject: RE: BS: Mark Foley Scandal
From: Amos
Date: 29 Oct 06 - 09:40 PM

Well, OG, you spin your way, and I'll spin mine. That Chavez kissed HER cheek, when they met, is a LONG way from her kissing his ass, as any first year anatomy student, or student of manners in different cultures, knows. But you had to go turn it into a slant, huh? Twist, twist, twist. That strikes me as hateful.

So, lemme see if I read correctly the attitude behind your twists.

1. You feel the Sheehan son died in a just cause, a war that we began with just provocation and just cause? And that cause was....

2. You feel that even though the given cause, WMD, was hollow and false, that the continuation of the war in Iraq was justified because the locals fired back, clearly an act of hostility?

3. You trust President Appointee Bush's judgement in matters of international diplomacy and decisions about waging war, because he has proven himself at it by doing such a competent job? (I would have thought he had demonstrated his skill at staying out of war, but maybe that was just him personally).

Pfui.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: Mark Foley Scandal
From: Old Guy
Date: 29 Oct 06 - 09:29 PM

Amos: Not a kiss?

Chavez wants to start a war with the US under the guise of self defence. So supporting him is courageous?

Why don't you be courageous and support him to?

Sheehan: "if I truly was a media whore, don't you think I'd get myself fixed up a little before I went on?"

Here she is getting fixed up

FAMILY OF FALLEN SOLDIER PLEADS: PLEASE STOP, CINDY!
Thu Aug 11 2005 12:56:21 ET

The family of American soldier Casey Sheehan, who was killed in Iraq on April 4, 2004, has broken its silence and spoken out against his mother Cindy Sheehan's anti-war vigil against George Bush held outside the president's Crawford, Texas ranch.

The following email was received by the DRUDGE REPORT from Casey's aunt and godmother:

Our family has been so distressed by the recent activities of Cindy we are breaking our silence and we have collectively written a statement for release. Feel free to distribute it as you wish.

Thanks, Cherie

In response to questions regarding the Cindy Sheehan/Crawford Texas issue: Sheehan Family Statement:

The Sheehan Family lost our beloved Casey in the Iraq War and we have been silently, respectfully grieving. We do not agree with the political motivations and publicity tactics of Cindy Sheehan. She now appears to be promoting her own personal agenda and notoriety at the the expense of her son's good name and reputation. The rest of the Sheehan Family supports the troops, our country, and our President, silently, with prayer and respect.

Sincerely,

Casey Sheehan's grandparents, aunts, uncles and numerous cousins.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mark Foley Scandal
From: Amos
Date: 29 Oct 06 - 02:58 PM

"Maybe her husband is an asshole? I think there is a precedent for this...."

Maybe Cindy Sheehan is an asshole. Her husband went through the same thing she did but I don't see him kissing Chavez's ass.


I didn't see either of them kissing anyone's ass.

What Cindy Sheehan did took more moral courage than what her husband did.

But ya know, each person has to step up to the plate and chopose their course of action according to their best ability to see what right action would be.

In my opinion trying to end a war that accomplishes no goals except mayhem is not a bad thing to do.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Mark Foley Scandal
From: GUEST,ron edwards
Date: 29 Oct 06 - 02:10 PM

in todays NY papers there was a quote from rep Boehner and he said the following

" If I had known abouy Foleys sexual e mails to a page, I would have canned him "!

sounds like that would be right up his alley!


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Subject: RE: BS: Mark Foley Scandal
From: Old Guy
Date: 29 Oct 06 - 01:48 AM

"Maybe her husband is an asshole? I think there is a precedent for this...."

Maybe Cindy Sheehan is an asshole. Her husband went through the same thing she did but I don't see him kissing Chavez's ass.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mark Foley Scandal
From: Ron Davies
Date: 27 Oct 06 - 10:17 PM

Look, Ghost. Get a name or a handle--otherwise your contributions are worse than useless. And I hope we all will treat them as such. I certainly will.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mark Foley Scandal
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Oct 06 - 09:53 PM

Source? It came from the discussion above. You folks don't even know what you're arguing about? Then the media has done its job in distracting you.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mark Foley Scandal
From: Amos
Date: 27 Oct 06 - 08:13 PM

Snopes says it is essentially true here.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Mark Foley Scandal
From: Don Firth
Date: 27 Oct 06 - 06:38 PM

Where did you hear this? Source, please.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Mark Foley Scandal
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Oct 06 - 06:04 PM

From above:

Democrat Congressman Mel Reynolds had sex with a subordinate, won clemency from a president who had sex with a subordinate, then was hired by a clergyman who had sex with a subordinate as a Youth counselor. He received a commutation of his six-and-a-half-year federal sentence for 15 convictions of wire fraud, bank fraud, lies to the Federal Election Commission and convicted of 12 counts of sexual assault with a 16-year-old. He also was convicted of having sex with an underage campaign volunteer. Jesse Jackson put him on the Rainbow/PUSH Coalition payroll as a youth counseler and Bill Clinton pardoned him at the urging of Jesse Jackson.

Is this true?


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Subject: RE: BS: Mark Foley Scandal
From: Amos
Date: 27 Oct 06 - 03:49 PM

Maybe her husband is an asshole? I think there is a precedent for this....


A


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Subject: RE: BS: Mark Foley Scandal
From: Greg F.
Date: 27 Oct 06 - 03:45 PM

Why are obviously intelligent people wasting their time arguing with this bozo?

That was my question months ago, but people just keep enabling this asshole.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mark Foley Scandal
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Oct 06 - 02:15 AM

http://tarpley.net/bush21.htm


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Subject: RE: BS: Mark Foley Scandal
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Oct 06 - 01:06 AM

Why would a brave and patriotic woman support Hugo Chavez and Harry Bellafonte?

Why would her husband, father of a fallen hero, divorce her?


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Subject: RE: BS: Mark Foley Scandal
From: frogprince
Date: 26 Oct 06 - 05:48 PM

O.G., are you trying for the Martin Gibson award for outstanding contribution to the morale of the community?


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Subject: RE: BS: Mark Foley Scandal
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 26 Oct 06 - 05:47 PM

Don,
You are right of course. This dickhead has said the same ridiculous offensive things over and over again. Nothing to be learned or gained from interacting with him.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mark Foley Scandal
From: Amos
Date: 26 Oct 06 - 03:49 PM

OG, You are mistaken. I have mad epoints related tot he past that are VERY different from those of yours I rebutted because they were not relevant to the present issue. The difference is between lessons and justifications. Your arguments using Stubbs as a case in point are simply without bearing on the present scene. I have already conceded your point that Stubbs was not treated as harshly as he should have been. Your remarks on Cindy Sheehan, who is in fact no whore but a brave and patriotic woman, and the mother of a soldier fallen for the Fatherland, are close to unforgivable.




A


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Subject: RE: BS: Mark Foley Scandal
From: Don Firth
Date: 26 Oct 06 - 03:32 PM

After reading Old Guy's post at 25 Oct 06 - 11:35 PM, I have one question to ask:

Why are obviously intelligent people wasting their time arguing with this bozo?

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Mark Foley Scandal
From: Ebbie
Date: 26 Oct 06 - 03:26 PM

"And Cindy Sheehan is not a crybaby, she is a communist whore that feeds the crybabys what they want to hear. Even her husband dumped her." Old Guy

For shame.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mark Foley Scandal
From: Greg F.
Date: 26 Oct 06 - 02:50 PM

Rush even went further by mimicing the spasams of Micheal Fox.

Whatta Guy! Cripple Jokes, too! Gotta love them Kompassionate Konservitives of Amerika.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mark Foley Scandal
From: Old Guy
Date: 26 Oct 06 - 10:59 AM

I said and still say that what Foley did was disgusting. We should take action against Pedophiles in the sente and anywhere. The GP in prisons do a fine job.

What I am saying is the Democrats are acting in a pious manner, considering their history of actions on similar situations, and demanding things of Republicans that they would not demand of themselves.

And I am not saying Foley was under the letter of the law. It seems more of an issue of morality. Even if he did have sex with a 16 year old boy, it is no different from Stubbs having sex with a 16 year old boy unless it was nor consentual.

The only consistancy I see is that you go back into history to find something that proves your point but if someone tries to do the same to disprove your point, you cry foul, that is history it does not matter. That is you own double standard.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mark Foley Scandal
From: Amos
Date: 26 Oct 06 - 12:32 AM

Well, I think the contradiction in positions I described is interesting. And you think we should not rail about pedophiles in the Senate because we weren't hard enough on one thrity years ago. OK, fine. I concede that thirty years ago, I was not hard enough on Stubbs. I am gonna make up for that by being really hard on Frist, Foley, and all the two-timing snakes in the grass I can find now.

I am flattered you work so hard to find me off base, OG. So far, though, I seem pretty consistent to me.

I did not say I don't believe in the law. But I do not believe that the law always embodies the truth about the ethics of a situation, because I have seen too many sleazy lawyers twist the law to their advantage, on both ends of the spectrum.

Your arguing that Foley was under the letter of the law because a boy was sixteen is a dodge, in my opinion, that does nothing at all to lessen the immorality of his actions and the hypocrisy of his stance.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Mark Foley Scandal
From: Old Guy
Date: 26 Oct 06 - 12:00 AM

Amos:

Are you saying then that courts look at the outcome of similar situations and occurences in the past to judge present situations and circumstances?

If so you are contradicting your argument that:

"The issue, Old Guy, is not history but what is happening now to our nation, who has been making it happen, and whether or not they should be trusted with the job, here and now."

And you still have not described what crime A was.

If you don't believe in the law ("The law, sir, is a ass")then why are you talking about the Constitution, Bill of Rights and using the word Illegal?

Here is an example of something posted by you that contradicts what you have stated in this thread. Why are you refering to something in the past if "history is not the issue"? :

"Bush's alarmingly aberrant take on the Constitution is ironic. One need go back in the record less than a decade to find prominent Republicans railing against far more minor presidential legal infractions as precursors to all-out totalitarianism. "I will have no part in the creation of a constitutional double-standard to benefit the president," Sen. Bill Frist declared of Bill Clinton's efforts to conceal an illicit sexual liaison. "No man is above the law, and no man is below the law - that's the principle that we all hold very dear in this country," Rep. Tom DeLay asserted. "The rule of law protects you and it protects me from the midnight fire on our roof or the 3 a.m. knock on our door," warned Rep. Henry Hyde, one of Clinton's chief accusers. In the face of Bush's more definitive dismissal of federal law, the silence from these quarters is deafening."


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Subject: RE: BS: Mark Foley Scandal
From: Old Guy
Date: 25 Oct 06 - 11:35 PM

If you say you are a Crybaby Liberal, I believe you.

I havn't read one word from Al Franken or Ann Coulter or watched more than a minute of Oprah, Springer or Povitch. The first minute made me want to puke.

I am pretty much fed up with Hannity and Rush. If I hear that asshole say drive by media one more time I will puke. The sumbitch is like a broken record.

I like to watch factual stuff like the History Channel Science Channel, Discovery, CSpan etc.

And Cindy Sheehan is not a crybaby, she is a communist whore that feeds the crybabys what they want to hear. Even her husband dumped her.

"A Jungarian would understand the response to "cry baby" is akin to 'kill the bully'."

Crybabys cannot accept the world the way it is and live accordingly. The have to blame everything they don't like on some big mean Bully. When that bully is killed, they focus on anither bully and cry about that one. The victim mentality. The gless half empty type.

My glass is half empty. I want a full one. That big meany is keeping me from having a full glass. The government should fill up my glasss. Boo Hoo.

As opposed to: My glass is half full. There are a lot of people without even a glass. Boy am I lucky. I bet if I worked hard enough I could have more than half a glass.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mark Foley Scandal
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Oct 06 - 11:09 PM

The 'cry baby' label seemed to emerge from jublilant conservatives in response to the Democratic outrage over the corrupt Florida presidential elections of 2000.

What I heard was a cry for justice that went unheeded by the Supreme Court.

I usually think of the person who uses the term cry baby as someone who is gloating over a success by demeaning the unsuccesful.

Dismiss it as psycho babble but in a literal sense, when a baby cries it usually means it needs something. However, in a strictly rhetorical way, using the term cry baby in a derisive manner is a perpetuation of a culture of child abuse and neglect.

Even Rush Limbaugh is now calling a victim of Parkinsons disease a cry baby and faking it for the cameras. Rush even went further by mimicing the spasams of Micheal Fox.

So go ahead Old Guy, invoke the words cry baby. Whether one is calling Cindy Shehan a cry baby, or innocent people who were disenfranchised by criminals, the recipient of the name calling "Cry Baby" will always have a visceral, almost primal reaction that motivates more than it hurts. A Jungarian would understand the response to "cry baby" is akin to 'kill the bully'.
The bully is an archtype we all unite against with a vengence and perseverence that clogs every leading news story around the world.
And when it leads, it bleeds.

Psycho neuro linguistics aside, I'm sure Old Guy's mother used to say "son, you will catch more flies with honey than vinegar".
Or maybe she called him a cry baby ;)


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Subject: RE: BS: Mark Foley Scandal
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 25 Oct 06 - 09:03 PM

You don't know my ideology.

But yes, I do listen to all of the above, plus a lot, lot more.

And I read too.

Bet I've read more Coulter than you've read Franken.

Oh wait, you *do* know my ideology. I'm a crybaby liberal.

Yes, and it's all Clinton's fault.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mark Foley Scandal
From: Amos
Date: 25 Oct 06 - 11:23 AM

BEsides -- this whole question of case law is one of those hollow strawman. You brought it up, and demanded that I explain it, which has nothing to do with me, and now you are wreaking yourself into a froth over whether I am doing so or not, and raising charges of refusal, when the whole concept was interjected by you in the first place to slide the subject somewhere where you could be more comfortable.

Here's the deal, Old Guy: I will always defend your right to drag out red herrings, even though yours always seem to stink and glimmer like dead mackerels in moonlight. But that by no means obliges me to play catch with you using them. They are entirely your self-involved weavings of irrelevancy, and the burden is on you entirely to say what, if anything, you mean, or don't, when you haul them out of your black trash bag of a mind for public discourse.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Mark Foley Scandal
From: Amos
Date: 25 Oct 06 - 11:11 AM

"The Washington Post said it had identified four more former pages who said they were sexually solicited by Foley, who has resigned since the scandal broke last month.

One former page, who was not identified, told Reuters that Foley sent him e-mails when he was 16 asking about "my roommates, if I ever saw them naked." Later, the former page said Foley hinted about a job opportunity "because I was a hot boy," the newspaper quoted him as saying.

Two years later, the page, now 22, said, he wrote Foley to ask about hotels in Washington. "You could always stay at my place. I'm always here, I'm always lonely, and I'm always up for oral sex," he quoted the disgraced former member of Congress as saying, reports Reuters."




Here's some case law for you:

"In 1964, Congress passed Title VII, which banned workplace gender discrimination for employers with 15 or more employees. Twenty years ago, in its landmark case, Meritor Savings Bank, FSB v. Vinson, 477 U.S. 57 (1986), the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that sexual harassment, which includes unwelcome sexual advances and sexualized banter of the type featured in Foley's e-mails, constitutes unlawful sex discrimination. Congress chose not to hold itself accountable under this law until 1995, when it passed the Congressional Accountability Act. You would not know it by their responses to reports made to them about Foley's blatantly improper conduct vis-a-vis the Congressional pages -- which included a late night drunken attempt to enter their dorm -- but this law imposes the same legal obligations on members of Congress and their staff as it does on other employers.

In two 1998 landmark cases, Burlington Indus. v. Ellerth and Faragher v. City of Boca Raton, the Supreme Court held that an employer must exercise "reasonable care to prevent and correct promptly any sexually harassing behavior" in order to avoid liability for a sexually hostile work environment. A chat with the accused, accepting his patently implausible explanation and telling him not to do it again, does not meet that standard. Nor does failing to act out of deference to an employee's parents' wishes absolve Republican leaders from legal responsibility here."

(From this article)


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Subject: RE: BS: Mark Foley Scandal
From: Old Guy
Date: 25 Oct 06 - 10:41 AM

TIA:

"Those who listen to Limbaugh, Hannity, O'Reilly, etc."

Would I be correct in assuming that based on your idealogy, you listen to Jerry Springer, Maury Povich and Oprah Winfrey?


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Subject: RE: BS: Mark Foley Scandal
From: Old Guy
Date: 25 Oct 06 - 10:34 AM

So you refuse to explain what case law is?

If it has no bearing on your argument, surely it will not hurt to explain it.

Furthermore, you have skipped over explaining what crime A was.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mark Foley Scandal
From: Amos
Date: 25 Oct 06 - 09:49 AM

OG:

If you examined my ancient history argument as I wrote it, you peckerheaded simplewit, you would see it has nothing to do with case law.

What I said was someone else's past offenses do not lessen or justify a present offense by Mark Foley. That's an ethical judgement on my part.

The law, sir, is a ass, and first cousin to folks like you who tie knots in the language to dodge straight examination of the issues.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Mark Foley Scandal
From: Old Guy
Date: 25 Oct 06 - 09:43 AM

Amos:

It is clear that explaining case law disproves your "Ancient History" argument so you have to avoid answering it.

A typical tactic of Crybaby Liberals when they are cornered.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mark Foley Scandal
From: Amos
Date: 25 Oct 06 - 09:26 AM

Old Guy:

If you can't be truthful in a simple declarative sentence, I don't see much merit in getting into case law with you.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Mark Foley Scandal
From: Greg F.
Date: 25 Oct 06 - 08:48 AM

I can't decide if you keep twisting my words out of meanness or out of sheer stupidity.

False dichotomy. Why can't it be both?


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Subject: RE: BS: Mark Foley Scandal
From: Old Guy
Date: 25 Oct 06 - 01:55 AM

Amos: Your "reasons to know and remember the past" are when it suits to prove your point. Anything that disproves your point is ancient history.

You haven't explained what case law is. Do you know?

You keep yammering about how what GWB is doing illegal so let's treat it like a legal matter being tried in court.

What do the prosecutor and the defense do to reinforce their arguments about the guilt or innocence of the defendant?


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Subject: RE: BS: Mark Foley Scandal
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 24 Oct 06 - 05:55 PM

"...argue with what I actually say, not some badly altered version..."

Fat chance of that. Those who listen to Limbaugh, Hannity, O'Reilly, etc. have learned to kick the shit out of straw men.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mark Foley Scandal
From: Amos
Date: 24 Oct 06 - 09:40 AM

OG:

I can't decide if you keep twisting my words out of meanness or out of sheer stupidity. Whichever it is I wish you would show enough respect to argue with what I actually say, not some badly altered version.

What I said, over and over, is that crimes of the past by others do not lessen the importance, and have little or now bearin fact upon the crime Mister Foley committed. That crime is soliciting sex from a minor. ANd using interstate communication lines to do so.

There are reasons to know and remember the past, to be sure. One is to avoid the errors of the past, and to learn the lessons of history. You and George have pretty well struck out on that one.

But justifying present crimes is the opposite -- it is one thing you should NOT use the past for, because it doesn't work. You have tried to lessen Mister Foley's offeses by citing other people who did similar things in the past, and that makes no sense, and does not address the merits.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Mark Foley Scandal
From: Tweed
Date: 24 Oct 06 - 09:35 AM

Yaz, Foley has brought great shame to all Floridians.

Even the homely manatee has opted to sacrifice itself on the barbecues of Memphis rather than to live in this disgraceful state!

CNN.com


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Subject: RE: BS: Mark Foley Scandal
From: Old Guy
Date: 24 Oct 06 - 09:29 AM

Consensual or not?


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Subject: RE: BS: Mark Foley Scandal
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Oct 06 - 09:25 AM

If its actual Foley/page sex that Old Guy wants, he's got it.
One page has admitted to actual sex witht he geezer.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mark Foley Scandal
From: GUEST,Old Fat Woody
Date: 24 Oct 06 - 09:07 AM

Dear Leader Greg Jong-il, Modern day Homo Erectus?


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Subject: RE: BS: Mark Foley Scandal
From: Greg F.
Date: 24 Oct 06 - 08:32 AM

Guess Fat Old Woody's seeking some titilation here, eh?


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Subject: RE: BS: Mark Foley Scandal
From: Old Guy
Date: 24 Oct 06 - 12:19 AM

Describe these Foley "relationships" in greater detail. Please. If it does not cause undue stress on your part.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mark Foley Scandal
From: Ron Davies
Date: 23 Oct 06 - 11:48 PM

Old--

It turns out, the governing factor is the age of consent in DC--which is indeed 16.   17 in Massachusetts. The relationship continued after the other party was no longer a page.

And as I said, Studds' relationship was consensual--Foley's were not.


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