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BS: Mark Foley Scandal

SINSULL 02 Oct 06 - 10:44 AM
Rapparee 02 Oct 06 - 10:50 AM
Richard Bridge 02 Oct 06 - 11:02 AM
Mudjack 02 Oct 06 - 12:09 PM
Paul Burke 02 Oct 06 - 12:34 PM
Greg F. 02 Oct 06 - 12:42 PM
George Papavgeris 02 Oct 06 - 01:00 PM
GUEST 02 Oct 06 - 01:20 PM
jeffp 02 Oct 06 - 01:24 PM
Amos 02 Oct 06 - 01:31 PM
Richard Bridge 02 Oct 06 - 02:14 PM
Amos 02 Oct 06 - 04:26 PM
Rapparee 02 Oct 06 - 04:50 PM
Greg F. 02 Oct 06 - 06:18 PM
Bobert 02 Oct 06 - 06:39 PM
open mike 02 Oct 06 - 07:47 PM
artbrooks 02 Oct 06 - 07:56 PM
curmudgeon 02 Oct 06 - 08:44 PM
artbrooks 02 Oct 06 - 08:54 PM
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282RA 02 Oct 06 - 11:14 PM
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Greg F. 03 Oct 06 - 08:59 AM
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Subject: BS: Mark Foley Scandal
From: SINSULL
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 10:44 AM

Bad enough that Mark Foley was caught sending "salacious" emails to underage boys, now it seems that Republican higher ups knew about it, warned new Republican pages about Foley as early as 2001 BUT chose not to warn Democratic pages.

What the hell???????


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Subject: RE: BS: Mark Foley Scandal
From: Rapparee
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 10:50 AM

If ANY member of Congress is a pedophile -- straight, gay, bi, whatever -- if ANY member of Congress is a pedophile and their party hides that knowledge, the party becomes an accessory to any child sexual abuse.

At least Barney Franks is open about being gay -- and he isn't pedophilic.

(The general feeling about pedophiles out here is best summed up in the phrase, "Get a rope!")


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Subject: RE: BS: Mark Foley Scandal
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 11:02 AM

Will he turn over a new leaf?



















Or does he want to get to the bottom of this page first???


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Subject: RE: BS: Mark Foley Scandal
From: Mudjack
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 12:09 PM

Everything is OK now, Mark Foley has checked himself in for alchoholic treatment. The booze made him do it. Upon completion of the booze program, He'll be OK and won't bother young boys anymore.
Isn't that how it works? It should all be blamed on something else besides what it really is. That's the Republicans way of life, they dont't even know how to lie honestly.
Mudjack


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Subject: RE: BS: Mark Foley Scandal
From: Paul Burke
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 12:34 PM

Funny, just last night the BBC ran a program about child abuse being hidden by the Catholic Church, and Rat Singer's role in the policy. Could we be seeing the precursor of a reconciliation between Rome and the Republicans?


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Subject: RE: BS: Mark Foley Scandal
From: Greg F.
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 12:42 PM

No, no NO! Its perfectly OK for "christian"[sic] fundamentalist Republicans to be perverts and pederasts!

Just as long as there are no blow-jobs between consenting adults.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mark Foley Scandal
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 01:00 PM

So, we can summise from the behaviour of the Republican senators' leadership that their party now condones such behaviour as Mark Foley's, and bugger the "family values" - literally...

The unspeakable hypocritical bastards!


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Subject: RE: BS: Mark Foley Scandal
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 01:20 PM

It's all a diversion. Got to get your attn off the signing of the Military Commissions Act. Don't fall for the sexcapade stories. The U.S. congress just passed the equivalent of the Reichstag's Enabling Act, which allowed Hitler to assume the role of dictator. The Commissions Act will make the president (who happens to be GWBush at the moment, but will be some bloodthirsty "democrat" next time around), to secretly kill you. And that's just what's going on on the domestic front. Internationally, Dick Cheney has said he'll nuke Iran if there's one more act of terrorism committed against America. Cheney ordered the interceptor jets to stand down on 9-11, so I don't doubt he's serious. And when he nukes Iran, the world will HAVE to gang up on the US and put us down like they did Nazi Germany. But the social engineers know you're more interested in where someone you hadn't even heard of yesterday put his dick the day before. Forget Foley. Find out how your congressional reps voted on the Military Commissions Act. Call them. Ask why so many Democratic Senators voted for it. Find out why the US Senate just voted 100-0 to fund the Iraq war with countless more billions of dollars. 100-0. And you dumb-ass liberals still believe the media garbage that there's a difference between the parties and Republicans are the bad guys. Hell, Barney Frank does boys, so where's your outrage over that?


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Subject: RE: BS: Mark Foley Scandal
From: jeffp
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 01:24 PM

Tin helmet a little tight this afternoon?


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Subject: RE: BS: Mark Foley Scandal
From: Amos
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 01:31 PM

The American Free Press, adherents of Lyndon La Rouche, reports the above as follows:

A number of political observers and activists today sounded "a red alert" after allegations surfaced this week that Vice President Dick Cheney has ordered Strategic Command (STRATCOM) to make contingency plans for a nuclear strike against Iran in the aftermath of another "9-11 type attack" on the United States.

Cheney's orders first surfaced in an article by Philip Geraldi in the Aug 1, 2005, issue of American Conservative. Geraldi was unavailable for comment, but excerpts of the article went on to say:

"Vice President Cheney's office has specifically told the Pentagon that the military should be prepared for an attack on Iran in the immediate aftermath of 'another 9-11.' "

However, that's "not conditional on Iran actually being involved in the act of terrorism directed against the United States," notes Geraldi's article.

The purported statement was then distributed widely as a number of political observers have issued "worldwide" warning statements," declaring Cheney's order to be interpreted as "sounding the bell for World War III."

GUNS OF AUGUST

In response to Cheney's order, one outspoken political activist issued an Internet notice covering the time period of August 2005, saying:

"Vice President Dick Cheney, with the full collusion of the circles of British Prime Minister Tony Blair unleashed the recently exposed plans to stage a preemptive tactical nuclear strike against Iran.

"The danger of such a mad, Hitler-in-the-bunker action from the Cheney circles would be even further heightened were the United States Congress to stick with its present schedule, and go into recess on July 30 until Sept. 4. With Congress out of Washington, the Cheney-led White House would almost certainly unleash a "Guns of August" attack on Iran."

And as reported several months ago, La Rouche said the Bush Administration, under CONPLAN 8022, had already placed the relevant "mini-nukes" under the control of theater military commanders, as part of a new global strike doctrine, a doctrine originally conceived when Cheney was secretary of defense under President George H.W. Bush.




I concur that the readiness of Cheney's mob to deploy nuclear weapons is ten times as uncoscionable as the readiness of his cohorts to overlook child abuse.

But they both speak to the deep, foul rot in the nation's capitol.

BTW, Guest, are you trying to get an idea across? Because if you are, it is pretty dumb-ass of you, yourself, to lard it with insults to those to whom you are communicating.

As to the Military Commissions Act, some slightly stale statistics from the House:

H.R. 6166: Military Commissions Act of 2006
Overview Amendments Floor Speeches Other Info

Official Title: To amend title 10, United States Code, to authorize trial by military commission for violations of the law of war, and for other purposes.

Status: Passed House (96% of Republicans supporting, 83% of Democrats opposing.)
This bill has been passed in the House. The bill now goes on to be voted on in the Senate.
Introduced: Sep 25, 2006
Last Action: Sep 27, 2006: The Clerk was authorized to correct section numbers, punctuation, and cross references, and to make other necessary technical and conforming corrections in the engrossment of H.R. 6166.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Mark Foley Scandal
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 02:14 PM

Amnsety International's view


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Subject: RE: BS: Mark Foley Scandal
From: Amos
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 04:26 PM

Time says:"...The scandal involving Mark Foley, the Florida congressman who resigned last Friday after the discovery of lurid e-mails and instant messages he sent to teenage congressional pages, has the potential to reshape the election landscape.

It was the latest blow in a bad week of news for Republican congressmen getting ready to leave town to campaign - following a congressional report linking the White House to disgraced lobbyist Jack Abramoff and showing dozens more contacts with him than the White House had admitted, and a book by Washington Post reporter Bob Woodward strongly suggesting the Administration has mislead the public about the Iraq War. The Foley scandal could well be the most damanging of the three.

Woodward's book, even with all of its details about Administration infighting and blunders in Iraq, reinforces a notion most Americans already hod, that the war in Iraq isn't going well. The Abramoff revelations, too, simply added more specifics to bolster what Americans already think: that congressmen are too close to lobbyists.
..."


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Subject: RE: BS: Mark Foley Scandal
From: Rapparee
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 04:50 PM

Neither hate nor pederasty are Family Values. In fact, I'd really like someone to tell me what exactly "Family Values" are. Those of the so-called American Middle Class? Those of the Rural African-Americans? Those of the Inuit? The Hawaiians? The Sioux? Of the South Side of Chicago? -- and if so, of the Blacks, the Irish, the Poles? Yup, I'd sure like to know....


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Subject: RE: BS: Mark Foley Scandal
From: Greg F.
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 06:18 PM

...has the potential to reshape the election landscape.

Not at all. The election is five weeks away. It'll all be forgotten by then by the ADD afflicted U.S. electorate.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mark Foley Scandal
From: Bobert
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 06:39 PM

Yeah, a couple more Repub reps whoes seats were considered safe blow up in the next few weeks an' the dems might just take the house...

Nah....

We still got Diebold....


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Subject: RE: BS: Mark Foley Scandal
From: open mike
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 07:47 PM

i also heard that this guy was on the committee whose
job it was to prevent or find solutions to child abuse.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mark Foley Scandal
From: artbrooks
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 07:56 PM

SINSULL said: Republican higher ups knew about it, warned new Republican pages about Foley as early as 2001 BUT chose not to warn Democratic pages. Source, please.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mark Foley Scandal
From: curmudgeon
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 08:44 PM

From AP: "Rep. Thomas Reynolds of New York, head of the House Republican election effort, said he told Hastert months ago about the allegations involving a 16-year-old boy from Louisiana.

Hastert acknowledged that his staff had been made aware of concerns about what they termed "over-friendly" e-mails Foley had sent to the teenager _ including one requesting his picture _ in the fall of 2005, and that they referred the matter to the House clerk."


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Subject: RE: BS: Mark Foley Scandal
From: artbrooks
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 08:54 PM

Not really what I'm asking about, curmudgeon. I'd like the source for the statement that the Republicans deliberately choose not to warn the Democratic pages.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mark Foley Scandal
From: curmudgeon
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 09:24 PM

Sorry, Art, but I couldn't see the whole story at       this link.

The fact that Republican and Democratic pages are supervised separately would indicate that what was known to Republicans would probably not be freely shared with Democrats for fear of alerting the "other side" to the problem -- Tom


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Subject: RE: BS: Mark Foley Scandal
From: SINSULL
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 10:42 PM

ABC and others have quotes from GOP pages who were warned as far back as 2001. So far, no Dem page can say the same.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2006/10/gop_staff_warne.html


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Subject: RE: BS: Mark Foley Scandal
From: 282RA
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 11:14 PM

Keep your eye on this one, folks. This might be the one to "bring down the House."

If top GOP congressmen knew and did nothing, all their sanctimonious crap and hypocrisy is exposed. There's no way they could keep their posts. The midterms become superfluous for the democrats because the GOP will be finished.

And there can be little doubt that top congressmen knew. It's really a matter of how early they knew and just what they knew. But it would appear to have been known in Congress for several years that Foley was a problem and that Foley was warned to cool it at least once. That's very damning. There can little doubt they were protecting him in order to protect their image as moral crusaders and their majority.

It's still too early to say but at least a few big dogs are going to get tossed outside. It's impossible that Hastert didn't know, for example. How could it not have been brought to his attention when lower-level congressmen knew about it for years? No way. Absolutely no way. Impossible. Either that or Hastert has no idea what's going on in his own party and I find that very difficult to believe.

He knew. They all knew. Had Foley been busted with only his dick in the wind, it would mean nothing but senior republicans participating in hushing it up can't be overlooked or excused. This may very well be it for the republican party.

I would warn the dems not to get too openly gloaty. This is where the republican party excels: dirt-digging and character assassination. The Dems can't ignore it, of course, but they need to speak only when spoken to. Don't goad the pubs because if there's dirt to find, the pubs can and will find it and won't hesitate to smear someone else with it to get the heat off themselves. You betcha. Just let the pubs frantically run about in damage control mode. That's all the public needs to see. They don't need dem color commentary. The media will do all that--they totally love stories like this. Well...we all do, I guess.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mark Foley Scandal
From: 282RA
Date: 03 Oct 06 - 01:07 AM

This could be a real coup for the democrats. If the top GOP congressmen get removed, control shifts over virtually by default to the dems. Then they could impeach Bush and Cheney both and have them removed from office and then the acting president shifts to a democrat in Congress. The last two years of Bush's presidency could be taken over by the dems. That's a possibility.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mark Foley Scandal
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Oct 06 - 07:33 AM

Aww S**t

Another Republican term added to our lexicon...

Overly Friendly


Now all someone has to do on our street is suggest so in so is "overly friendly" and all hell will break loose.

If you are an affable jogger and cut yourself shaving you are now an overly friendly cut and runner.

When the electrodes of freedom are applied to the tesicles of terrorist loving liberals they whine about the quaint Geneva Conventions.

Forgive my digression...anyway about Foley , it is a good example of how politics work:
"You protect my BS and I'll protect yours unless it hits the TV screen"


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Subject: RE: BS: Mark Foley Scandal
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Oct 06 - 08:16 AM

The Korean Reverend Moon's newspaper, The Washington Times has called for Hastert to resign.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mark Foley Scandal
From: Greg F.
Date: 03 Oct 06 - 08:59 AM

all their sanctimonious crap and hypocrisy is exposed.

Been exposed for years, and it doesn't seem to bother their core constituency one iota.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mark Foley Scandal
From: katlaughing
Date: 03 Oct 06 - 11:56 AM

One report I read on google news said the GOP decided to keep it "internal" when they first heard about it. We need a Dem-friendly Ken Starr!


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Subject: RE: BS: Mark Foley Scandal
From: GUEST,you didn't vote them out, so live with them
Date: 03 Oct 06 - 12:11 PM

So this is the Party, and the Government, and the country, that will teach the Iraqis and Iranians about democracy, when its own systems and institutions are creaking at the seams and are unable to protect its own young. And it will bring its wonderful morals with it... "Beautiful world, so ethical, created by the angels...". NOT.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mark Foley Scandal
From: katlaughing
Date: 03 Oct 06 - 12:16 PM

Boy, did he know what he was talking about! (My emphasis):

The Adam Walsh Child Protection and Safety Act, toughening laws designed to shield children from exploitation, represented "a huge step forward," Foley told USA TODAY in an interview just before the ceremony in July. The Internet had given sexual predators new ways to reach kids, and the laws needed to respond, he said: "We track library books better than we do sex offenders." Foley's worst moment was, presumably, nine weeks later, when he resigned in the wake of allegations that he had sent sexually suggestive e-mails and instant messages to teenage boys who had worked as congressional pages.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mark Foley Scandal
From: pdq
Date: 03 Oct 06 - 12:37 PM

Does anybody remember this guy?

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Frederick William Richmond

Democrat, New York (1975-1982)



The Honorable Fred Richmond plead guilty to tax evasion and two other federal charges in 1982, and agreed to resign from the House of Representatives. 

But when charges first surfaced, Richmond asserted his innocence:  "I don't feel one ounce of embarrassed.  I'm not ashamed of anything I've done.  I've done nothing wrong."

There had been an eight-month Justice Department investigation, and Richmond pleaded guilty to  deliberately under-reporting his federal income by $50,000, possessing marijuana cigarettes obtained from his Congressional staff, and having made an illegal $7,420 payment to a Navy employee who had been helpful in obtaining government contracts for the former Brooklyn Navy Yard.

Richmond was one of the wealthiest members of Congress, and he engaged in a wide array of civic and charitable activities in New York. In college, he supported himself by playing the piano and forming the Freddie Richmond Swing Band.  Then he made, and lost, and made again, a fortune in the import-export business.

He was a very insecure man with 32 million bucks in his pocket.  He thought he was bigger than the rules."

Oh, did we forget to mention the sex?

In 1978, Richmond admitted that he had solicited sex with a 16-year-old boy and then with an undercover policeman at his Washington home.  The misdemeanor charges were dropped after Richmond agreed to undergo professional counseling.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mark Foley Scandal
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 03 Oct 06 - 12:48 PM

Goddammit! We have an administration that's just suspended Habeus Corpus, come out for torture, invades countries for no reason, blocks stem cell research, tries to reestablish the scientific precepts of the early twelth cenury, spends money like a fleet of drunken sailors, cuts taxes for the rich and won't provide a livable minimum wage, tries to totally destroy the environment and puts us all in debt to a luiterally unimaginavle extent...and all that we can worry about is one sexual pervert.....sheeit!


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Subject: RE: BS: Mark Foley Scandal
From: pdq
Date: 03 Oct 06 - 01:06 PM

"We have an administration that's just suspended Habeus Corpus, come out for torture, invades countries for no reason, blocks stem cell research, tries to reestablish the scientific precepts of the early twelth cenury, spends money like a fleet of drunken sailors, cuts taxes for the rich and won't provide a livable minimum wage, tries to totally destroy the environment and puts us all in debt to a luiterally unimaginavle extent"

No, that statement is not true. The only part that has any truth at all involves the minimum wage. An increase is 'on the table' but Democrats failed to press the issue, feeling that an increase in the minimum wage this summer would make George W. Bush look better going into this fall's election.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mark Foley Scandal
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Oct 06 - 01:25 PM

Unless you put the Republican spin on a subject or dot your i's, pdq will often say you are lying.

So far the prisoners in question have been tortured, executed or accidently executed while awaiting trial in a military tribunal.

Since the Supreme court said certain Bush tactics were unconstitutional, Bush has said the Geneva Conventions and Court rulings are vague and his new torture definitions and military tribunal rules await signing this weekend.

A US citizen was put in this military tribunal system.
When push came to shove Padilla was given a change in status so as to avoid a court challenge.

He is still "detained"


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Subject: RE: BS: Mark Foley Scandal
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 03 Oct 06 - 01:27 PM

No, it is true. Habeus Corpus is no longer garaunteed for anyone.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mark Foley Scandal
From: pdq
Date: 03 Oct 06 - 01:35 PM

I did not say anyone was "a liar". Just mistaken.

"Habeus Corpus is no longer garaunteed for anyone."

                ~ source please


Remember, the Bill Of Right applies to US citizens only. Always has. Let us hope things stay that way.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mark Foley Scandal
From: Don Firth
Date: 03 Oct 06 - 01:46 PM

No mistakes, pdq. Get away from Fox News Service and read the goddam papers! Everything Dick G. said is true.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Mark Foley Scandal
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Oct 06 - 01:49 PM

http://www.infowars.com/articles/ps/terror_laws_bush_given_authority_sexually_torture_us_kids.htm


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Subject: RE: BS: Mark Foley Scandal
From: pdq
Date: 03 Oct 06 - 02:03 PM

OK, Don Firth:

Please answer one simple question. "Does The US Constitution (and therefore the Bill Of Rights) apply to foreign nationals caught in foriegn countries conducting tacts of terror?"


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Subject: RE: BS: Mark Foley Scandal
From: Greg F.
Date: 03 Oct 06 - 02:22 PM

If they're tactful in their tacts, what's the problem?


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Subject: RE: BS: Mark Foley Scandal
From: TIA
Date: 03 Oct 06 - 02:25 PM

Assuming that you won't accuse the Washington times of liberal bias, I provide them as the ~source.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/29/washington/29detain.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

The recently-passed torture bill "…would strip detainees of a habeas corpus right to challenge their detentions in court..."

Aha you say, so it doesn't apply to US citizens! Au contraire.

"The measure would broaden the definition of enemy combatants beyond the traditional definition used in wartime, to include…anyone determined to be an enemy combatant under criteria defined by the president or secretary of defense."

And what are these criteria?

Well, the bill says that unlawful enemy combatants include those who give "material support" to anyone fighting against the USA.

So, I'll answer for Don Firth. The Bill of rights is now irrelevant.

I sure hope you have infinite trust in the Bush and Rummy, 'cause their treatment of you is no longer bound by the "quaint" Bill of Rights.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mark Foley Scandal
From: jeffp
Date: 03 Oct 06 - 02:54 PM

The Bill of Rights refers to "the People." No qualifiers.

Read it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mark Foley Scandal
From: kendall
Date: 03 Oct 06 - 03:07 PM

pdq the real reason that the minimum wage bill didn't pass is because the republicans, who are against it, tacked on their favorite piece of pork, the so called "Death tax". They knew damn well that the democrats couldn't swallow that on top of the huge tax windfall the rich have already received.

Guest Barney Frank likes boys? First I've heard of that, what is your source?


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Subject: RE: BS: Mark Foley Scandal
From: pdq
Date: 03 Oct 06 - 03:40 PM

Thanks Kendall, but I live in farm country. The 1 million dollar estate tax exemption is a joke when dealing with farms. One harvesting machine might cost 1/4 million by itself.

Pork? Winfdall tax break for the rich?? Hell, the people who built the farm up from bare dirt already contributed a huge amount in taxes. Taking their equity is an illegal case of 'double taxation'.

They also employ lots of people. They also feed us all. What kind of twisted thinking leads one to want to punish such people and force them to sell-out to big agribusiness?


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Subject: RE: BS: Mark Foley Scandal
From: pdq
Date: 03 Oct 06 - 03:41 PM

Both John Walker Lindh "The American Taliban" and Jose Padilla did have their days(s) in court, represented by legal council. They just happened to lose. Since they are US citizens, the US Constitution does apply to them. Walker serves his prison time in a medium-security prison in Victorville, California, not in Guantánamo, Cuba.

There are only about 650 detainees in Guantánamo, 70% are low-level Taliban and have little valuable information to impart. They also have no home to go back to. They will either re-join the Taliban or be arresrted/killed by the legitimate government of Afghanistan. The US does not want either to occur, so in Gitmo they will sit. They get Islam-friendly food and mediacl care. Boring but that is the best we can do.

This is a bit off from Foley but I am just responding, not hijacking.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mark Foley Scandal
From: TIA
Date: 03 Oct 06 - 04:05 PM

Please don't fall for the farm state Republican propaganda. I'm dead in the heart of farmland too. The "double tax" is a myth, and the burden on farms is wildly exaggerated. Here's just one source: http://www.factcheck.org/article328.html

It's really about CEO's of major corporations. Not family farmers.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mark Foley Scandal
From: Don Firth
Date: 03 Oct 06 - 05:46 PM

"Does The US Constitution (and therefore the Bill Of Rights) apply to foreign nationals caught in foreign countries conducting acts of terror?"

Yes, pdq.

This whole "War on Terrorism" business is a farce. A terrorist act is a criminal act, not an act of war. An act of war is an act of one nation, sanctioned by that nation's government, against another nation. The attack of a group of self-proclaimed "freedom fighters" or jihadists, no matter how legitimate their grievances may be, against innocent civilians, is a criminal act, and should be treated as such.

Because of the international nature of their crime, it would be better if they were tuned over to an international court. But if we insist on keeping alleged terrorists or "enemy combatants" prisoner ourselves, they should be subject to due process of law. As in any criminal procedure, the same questions of guilt or innocence pertain and the same rights should apply. To all.

Otherwise, we're hypocrites. Or worse.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Mark Foley Scandal
From: Greg F.
Date: 03 Oct 06 - 06:01 PM

Both John Walker Lindh "The American Taliban" and Jose Padilla did have their days(s) in court...

Umm, I hate to point out the obvious (obvious to everyone except pdq) but those cases were BEFORE the legislation under discussion was passed...


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Subject: RE: BS: Mark Foley Scandal
From: artbrooks
Date: 03 Oct 06 - 06:21 PM

And Jose Padilla had his day in court on the charge of terrorism when, exactly? At last report, he was still in jail (and has been for the past 3 1/2 years), without his case going to trial. He had to go to court in order to get the right to go to court!


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Subject: RE: BS: Mark Foley Scandal
From: Bert
Date: 03 Oct 06 - 07:00 PM

And just what has all this got to do with Mark Foley?

Is it your philosophy that "other wrongs make this one right" or is this just an attempt to draw the thread away from it's initial subject.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mark Foley Scandal
From: Amos
Date: 03 Oct 06 - 07:24 PM

http://www.boingboing.net/2006/10/02/foley_and_scientolog.html

More bizarre every day!


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