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BS: How best to apologize

Donuel 18 Sep 06 - 12:32 PM
BuckMulligan 18 Sep 06 - 12:46 PM
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Bill D 18 Sep 06 - 01:05 PM
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MMario 18 Sep 06 - 04:15 PM
Clinton Hammond 18 Sep 06 - 04:20 PM
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Subject: BS: How best to apologize
From: Donuel
Date: 18 Sep 06 - 12:32 PM

When I have been wronged, insulted or the victim of larceny I am usually quite vocal and ask for the situation to be corrected or at minimum recognized.

Of course the perceived wrong doer prefers to do nothing but often offers the worst of all apologies...

"I'M sORRY YOU fEEL tHAT wAY!"

That is worse than no apology. Its actually just another insult for you being so foolish as to ask for an apology and ignores the issue that is in question.

Well leave it to the Pope to offer the "I'm sorry YOU feel that way" apology, which has led to 5 church burnings and a 17 year old pediatric care Catholic nun by Islamic extremeists.

How can one best apologize? First review the dispute with the offended party and come to a bilateral and complete understanding of the issue immediately and ask exactly what words or action would best resolve the dispute. Follow up and do the right thing.

Now as for the ass holes who did the exact things the Pope was talking about when he referred to writing over 1,000 years old about the violence of spreading Islamic beliefs among unbelieving infidels...

I'm sorry they feel that way.


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Subject: RE: BS: How best to apologize
From: BuckMulligan
Date: 18 Sep 06 - 12:46 PM

"I'm sorry you feel that way" is not an apology (expression of remorse), it's an expression of regret: "How unfortunate for you, but it's really nothing to do with me." And the implication is indeed that the speaker has done nothing to apologize for, so why be remorseful? If someone still feels owed an apology, then perhaps it is appropriate to say, "Well too bad Old Sock, but tough shit." When did we start owing people apologies just because they said we did?


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Subject: RE: BS: How best to apologize
From: Donuel
Date: 18 Sep 06 - 12:53 PM

THere was a spat of Republicans asking for Democrats to apologize for their treasonous insinuations that Bush has had some shortcomings.
And another spat of Democrates asking...etc


These were just publicity stunts to see if one or another party would adimit to lying or wrongdoing.

IT went nowhere because the first rule in politics is "you protect my bullshit and I'll protect yours.

Too many possible extortions were being wasted on silly spats of demanded apologies and besides they didn't poll well.

sorry for rehashing the obvious


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Subject: RE: BS: How best to apologize
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Sep 06 - 01:03 PM

If people are owed the apology, then give it to them. If they are not owed the apology, then "Please suck rocks" works well.


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Subject: RE: BS: How best to apologize
From: Bill D
Date: 18 Sep 06 - 01:05 PM

Famous apology..."If I said anything I'm sorry for, I'm glad of it."


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Subject: RE: BS: How best to apologize
From: Bill D
Date: 18 Sep 06 - 01:22 PM

the best apology of all time:

A biology professor was trying to get his class to follow some of the details of a chapter on reproduction by having them read parts aloud. When "Miss Jones" was asked to read she kept substituting, when she came to the word 'pregnant', "unwell". After a minute, he stopped her and asked: "What was the woman's condition, Miss Jones?"

"Umm...she was 'expecting'."

The professor sighed: "Miss Jones, the word is "pregnant" P-R-E-G-N-A-N-T....your mother was 'pregnant', your grandmother was 'pregnant', and by the grace of God and the help of some young man, someday you too, will be 'pregnant'!"

Well, Miss Jones gasped and ran out of the class in tears. But the incident was reported to the Dean, and the professor was ordered to apologize...in class! So, a couple days later, the professor came in, sat his books down and announced:

"The other day I made a mistake when correcting Miss Jones. I now wish to retract what I said...I do not believe Miss Jones will ever become pregnant."


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Subject: RE: BS: How best to apologize
From: Elmer Fudd
Date: 18 Sep 06 - 03:17 PM

It's a good joke on paper, but it was cleverness at the expense of someone else's embarrassment, a person who was obviously raised in a repressive atmosphere and over whom the professor held power. Not an apology in my book. He owed the poor gal an even bigger one. Glad he wasn't my teacher. I've had a few like him, though.

Elmer


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Subject: RE: BS: How best to apologize
From: Elmer Fudd
Date: 18 Sep 06 - 03:21 PM

The best way to apologize is ASAP and sincerely.


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Subject: RE: BS: How best to apologize
From: wysiwyg
Date: 18 Sep 06 - 04:06 PM

The Apology expresses five essential elements:

1. I was wrong
2. I love you (care about you, whatever)
3. I am sorry
4. I'm going to do my best to never do that again
5. Can you please forgive me?

~Susan


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Subject: RE: BS: How best to apologize
From: MMario
Date: 18 Sep 06 - 04:15 PM

Donuel - sometimes the reason the apology is "I'm sorry you feel that way" is because the percieved offender does not believe that the offense took place.

Insult really cannot be offered without intent. If someone percieves insult but no intention was on the part of the giver to insult then there is no insult.


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Subject: RE: BS: How best to apologize
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 18 Sep 06 - 04:20 PM

I'm hoping this whole Pope thing is the beginning of all these religious assholes killing each other off.... It'd do wonders for the human race to be rid of them all


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Subject: RE: BS: How best to apologize
From: MMario
Date: 18 Sep 06 - 04:22 PM

Clinton - you do know most polls show over 80% of the population beieves in some sort of faith? Higher percentages in most developing countries.

You really think if the poulation dropped 80% people would be better off?


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Subject: RE: BS: How best to apologize
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 18 Sep 06 - 04:44 PM

It'd be a HELL of a good start

And I didn't ever say anything about faith did I? I said "religious assholes"...

The two are NOT the same thing....

People don't use FAITH as an excuse to kill/control/abuse/delude themselves or their fellow human beings....

"you do know most polls show over 80% of the population"
95% of all statistics on the internet are meaningless because they are made up on the spot.....


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Subject: RE: BS: How best to apologize
From: Bill D
Date: 18 Sep 06 - 04:49 PM

durn...I may steal that line!


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Subject: RE: BS: How best to apologize
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 18 Sep 06 - 04:54 PM

Which one?   The one about stats on the net? You can use it, but you gotta pay me 3 cents every time you do....

,-)


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Subject: RE: BS: How best to apologize
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Sep 06 - 05:02 PM

Clinton is fulla shit. It's 96.72%.


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Subject: RE: BS: How best to apologize
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 18 Sep 06 - 05:14 PM

My point exactly


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Subject: RE: BS: How best to apologize
From: Amos
Date: 18 Sep 06 - 05:19 PM

Well, he was half-right.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: How best to apologize
From: Bill D
Date: 18 Sep 06 - 05:25 PM

3 cents? Canadian or US?...I only have one Canadian penny right now, but you're welcome to it as soon as I do this..."95% of all statistics on.."...that's about 1/3 of it, I'd guess.


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Subject: RE: BS: How best to apologize
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 18 Sep 06 - 05:33 PM

"3 cents? Canadian or US?"
I'll take US$ at par....


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Subject: RE: BS: How best to apologize
From: Bill D
Date: 18 Sep 06 - 05:53 PM

ok, I've got a jar ready to toss pennies in....you'll have to trust me. Don't Do hold your breath...*grin*


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Subject: RE: BS: How best to apologize
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 18 Sep 06 - 05:55 PM

I never do Bill....

,-)


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Subject: RE: BS: How best to apologize
From: Rapparee
Date: 18 Sep 06 - 05:56 PM

Quickly. Sincerely. And sometime abjectly.


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Subject: RE: BS: How best to apologize
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 18 Sep 06 - 06:06 PM

The best way to apologize is to not do anything you might think you have to apologize for in the first place...


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Subject: RE: BS: How best to apologize
From: Bill D
Date: 18 Sep 06 - 06:13 PM

*pretending not to notice THAT straight line*


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Subject: RE: BS: How best to apologize
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 18 Sep 06 - 06:15 PM

What straight line?

Got stuff you think you need to apologize for Bill?


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Subject: RE: BS: How best to apologize
From: Donuel
Date: 18 Sep 06 - 06:34 PM

A social psychopath does not have the ability to apologize because they do not possess empathy.


That being said I will request that Hammond apologize for his callous disrespect directed at various mudcat members and or personal attacks that have distressed some people here.


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Subject: RE: BS: How best to apologize
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 18 Sep 06 - 07:15 PM

Request all you want...

You won't get it....

If that makes me a 'social psychopath' in your pathetic little book, that bothers me not in the least...

I'd rather be that, than a sucky-wet-little-twat-face....

Calous disrespect? You want respect? Cowboy up and earn it.


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Subject: RE: BS: How best to apologize
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Sep 06 - 07:21 PM

Cowgirl up. Cowboy down.


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Subject: RE: BS: How best to apologize
From: BuckMulligan
Date: 18 Sep 06 - 07:25 PM

Yeah, EARN it, like Clinton does.


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Subject: RE: BS: How best to apologize
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 18 Sep 06 - 07:40 PM

Who ever said I'm interested in earning the respect of anyone here?


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Subject: RE: BS: How best to apologize
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 18 Sep 06 - 07:42 PM

If I want to accumulate something worth the respect of people on an internet forum, I'll just exclude fibre from my diet.


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Subject: RE: BS: How best to apologize
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Sep 06 - 09:21 PM

sorry clinton, but that won't make your little pin dick any bigger.


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Subject: RE: BS: How best to apologize
From: GUEST,Judge Dread
Date: 18 Sep 06 - 09:41 PM

ClintonHammond, like Martin Gibson before you, and Gargoyle before him, you typify the traits that cause a certain type of American to be held, the world over, as beneath contempt.


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Subject: RE: BS: How best to apologize
From: Donuel
Date: 18 Sep 06 - 10:29 PM

The social psychopath needs more stimulus to feel anything.

A serial killer admitted that he used to kill many victims by tying them down and letting them slowly be eaten by rats. He said "I kept doing it and watching for hours because I was curious that I was almost feeling something that I couldn't explain".

Don't sweat it Hammond, we all know social psychopaths really don't care. They are uniquely incapable of it.

_________________

I remember Bush made an oblique apology this summer for having said, Bring it on!". You will rarely see him more uncomfortable than that.
He can't admit to having made any other particular mistakes. He virtually broke down when he tried to answer the question if he had made any mistakes.

Cheney is the consumate actor/liar when he said "We would do everything we did in Iraq if we had it to do all over again".


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Subject: RE: BS: How best to apologize
From: The Shambles
Date: 19 Sep 06 - 01:46 AM

You just say that you are sorry and that this has never happened to you before.

Some ladies - although disappointed - are quite sweet and understanding about it.


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Subject: RE: BS: How best to apologize
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 19 Sep 06 - 07:37 AM

"The social psychopath needs more stimulus to feel anything."
I feel lots and lots fo things.... like total contempt for a moron like yourself... I'd feed you to rats, except that I'd feel sorry for the rodents.....

And to the two coward 'guests'....
1) when it's this big you stand back and call it a cock.... at least that's what your mother calls it....
2) I'm not an American......

So if yer gonna try to 'slag' me, get your facts straight, if it isn't beyond you.

Shambles... what would you know about ladies....


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Subject: RE: BS: How best to apologize
From: The Shambles
Date: 19 Sep 06 - 11:43 AM

I know that ladies are to be cherished.

http://www.cherishtheladies.com/


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Subject: RE: BS: How best to apologize
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 19 Sep 06 - 11:46 AM

The most entertaining thing about this thread is what gets deleted and what doesn't....

LOL


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Subject: RE: BS: How best to apologize
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 19 Sep 06 - 11:47 AM

Oops... mis-post....

disregard the above


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Subject: RE: BS: How best to apologize
From: Wolfgang
Date: 19 Sep 06 - 11:58 AM

Ahmad Khatami (Iranian cleric), suggested "the Pope should fall on his knees in front of a senior Muslim cleric and try to understand Islam".

Now that would be an apology that should even please Donuel.

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: BS: How best to apologize
From: The Shambles
Date: 19 Sep 06 - 11:59 AM

Not on your life.

LOL


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Subject: RE: BS: How best to apologize
From: Mooh
Date: 19 Sep 06 - 12:13 PM

I can sorta understand Clinton's remark regarding "religious assholes killing each other off", though I don't agree. It's not killing each other off that will solve anything, religion and faith and actions taken on their behalf will survive almost anything (I suspect), but education, tolerance, mutual respect, and dare I say space. It will take generations of cease-fire, mutual efforts of reconciliation, and education to undo what has gone before. Pipe dream, maybe, but worth the effort in my mind.

Clinton's solution (please forgive me, I don't presume to speak for anyone here) is a VERY common view in my neck of the woods, and very influential.

The Pope misunderstands the situation. How could he have not understood that whatever he said about Islam had the potential for backlash? Oh yeah, he's the Pope, how could he understand? As for his apology, I don't believe him any more than I believe IN him. He is not infallible, worldly, or Godly, just human, with faith, but human.

Some things cannot be served with an apology inasmuch as an apology won't undo the wrong, correct the damage, or be taken seriously by the other party.

Peace, Mooh.


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Subject: RE: BS: How best to apologize
From: Jim Tailor
Date: 19 Sep 06 - 12:31 PM

I believe that all faiths should continuously, and without ceasing, "have it out" in the arena of ideas -- in philosophical debate -- but MOSTLY in the arena of proof by good works. The superior philosophical and religious ideas should thus win the day, and the ideas of least value to society and humanity should fade into deepest night -- a good teaching of history from generation to generation to keep them forever there.

That is one good reason (to my way of thinking) that no religion should ever be backed by the power of any government. Religious ideas should not fall back on the weaker philosophy of "might makes right". We know that maxim is not true. We seem to continually have to re-teach ourselves that lesson.


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Subject: RE: BS: How best to apologize
From: Jim Tailor
Date: 19 Sep 06 - 12:32 PM

Oh, and as to "how to apologize"....

...this is one sorry thread. :^)


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Subject: RE: BS: How best to apologize
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Sep 06 - 12:37 PM

The Pope said nothing to apologize for. He was quoting someone else for fu#k's sake. Read his speech.


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Subject: RE: BS: How best to apologize
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 19 Sep 06 - 07:43 PM

Hammond, wherever you come from, whoever you are, the thrust of what Judge Dread said is right: you should go back there and leave the human race alone. Are you sure you didn't have a walk on part in "Deliverance"? You certainly wouldn't have had a speaking part because that would have meant you'd have needed to walk and chew gum and avoid choking all at the same time.

BTW, I suggest you read exactly what Judge Dread said, and then try very hard to spell out the exact words....


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Subject: RE: BS: How best to apologize
From: BuckMulligan
Date: 20 Sep 06 - 09:26 AM

Richard, nothing you could possibly say is as eloquent as his own words.


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Subject: RE: BS: How best to apologize
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Sep 06 - 09:48 AM

The Pope this week tried to pull a good deed out of his bad hat* by declaring that Pope Paul did not go far enough in apologizing for the lack of Vatican support for Jews during Hitler's regieme.
He said he would release more incriminating Vatican documents to emphasize the new apology.


* anyone else see his cute little red hat with a flower on it last week?


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Subject: RE: BS: How best to apologize
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 21 Sep 06 - 08:36 AM

Just because he's infallible, it doesn't mean he can't make mistakes....
    (Stephen Colbert)


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