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BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.

Wolfgang 19 Nov 06 - 03:18 PM
Peace 19 Nov 06 - 01:32 PM
The Shambles 19 Nov 06 - 01:31 PM
autolycus 17 Nov 06 - 04:45 PM
GUEST 17 Nov 06 - 11:09 AM
number 6 17 Nov 06 - 10:12 AM
GUEST 17 Nov 06 - 09:37 AM
autolycus 17 Nov 06 - 03:09 AM
autolycus 15 Nov 06 - 04:43 PM
GUEST 14 Nov 06 - 11:29 PM
bobad 14 Nov 06 - 09:04 PM
number 6 14 Nov 06 - 08:18 PM
GUEST 14 Nov 06 - 08:07 PM
The Shambles 14 Nov 06 - 08:00 PM
The Shambles 14 Nov 06 - 07:55 PM
McGrath of Harlow 14 Nov 06 - 07:41 PM
catspaw49 14 Nov 06 - 07:19 PM
number 6 14 Nov 06 - 07:04 PM
catspaw49 14 Nov 06 - 06:28 PM
Wolfgang 14 Nov 06 - 05:09 AM
The Shambles 13 Nov 06 - 07:56 PM
The Shambles 13 Nov 06 - 11:28 AM
The Shambles 13 Nov 06 - 02:03 AM
GUEST 12 Nov 06 - 09:16 PM
The Shambles 12 Nov 06 - 07:20 PM
The Shambles 12 Nov 06 - 01:52 PM
GUEST 12 Nov 06 - 01:40 PM
John MacKenzie 12 Nov 06 - 01:40 PM
The Shambles 12 Nov 06 - 01:29 PM
Big Mick 12 Nov 06 - 12:29 PM
The Shambles 12 Nov 06 - 12:14 PM
The Shambles 12 Nov 06 - 12:12 PM
John MacKenzie 12 Nov 06 - 11:35 AM
The Shambles 12 Nov 06 - 11:17 AM
Joe Offer 11 Nov 06 - 11:08 PM
GUEST 11 Nov 06 - 10:03 PM
The Shambles 11 Nov 06 - 07:57 PM
The Shambles 11 Nov 06 - 07:51 PM
John MacKenzie 11 Nov 06 - 07:12 PM
The Shambles 11 Nov 06 - 07:04 PM
GUEST 11 Nov 06 - 03:48 PM
John MacKenzie 11 Nov 06 - 11:48 AM
The Shambles 11 Nov 06 - 11:36 AM
The Shambles 11 Nov 06 - 11:01 AM
jacqui.c 11 Nov 06 - 10:54 AM
The Shambles 11 Nov 06 - 10:47 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Wolfgang
Date: 19 Nov 06 - 03:18 PM

I've believed from the beginning that this is a forum for debate. (autolycus)

So did I (Shambles)

Then why does it never show in your posts?

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Peace
Date: 19 Nov 06 - 01:32 PM

I just clicked that air fares link. Don't. It's got more fuckin' popups and cookies than Betty Crocker.


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 19 Nov 06 - 01:31 PM

Cor,Shambles,your looky, you get argument.

I do? - I get special posting restrictions, recipes and jokes.

I just get a stooning intellectual rebuke aka abuse. Or silence.

The silence is probably a little better than the abuse and name-calling.

I've believed from the beginning that this is a forum for debate.

So did I - perhaps we have both been led up the garden path? But perhaps it is not too late?


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: autolycus
Date: 17 Nov 06 - 04:45 PM

Cor,Shambles,your looky, you get argument.

I just get a stooning intellectual rebuke aka abuse. Or silence. How Pinteresque the scenery is.

Is this a standard response to coming at a slightly overdone subject from a new angle?

I've believed from the beginning that this is a forum for debate.




    Ivor


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Nov 06 - 11:09 AM

I was referring to the "refresh".


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: number 6
Date: 17 Nov 06 - 10:12 AM

I actually thought autolycus's post fit right into the wacky nature of this thread.

Very good autolycus, very good ... ????? :|

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Nov 06 - 09:37 AM

Autolycus you are a fool. Why don't you go and live with Shambles.


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: autolycus
Date: 17 Nov 06 - 03:09 AM

Refresh.




      Ivor


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: autolycus
Date: 15 Nov 06 - 04:43 PM

That one about being tried in his absence etc, I've always read as attributed to Brendan Behan.

   I haven't read thru all the Shambles-...on second thoughts, I think this is for a new thread, forget it.


   on third thoughts, this may be the place.

   Has any one made the point that because we all have every human characteristic deep within us, that The Shambles is a gift to us.

   I'll explain by way of a joke which some but not all know.

   It's pouring. little old lady in house. Boatman comes along says the rain will get much worse and she'd better get in.

   "No," thus the lady,"The Lord will provide. Go away." The boat does.

   Rain gets so heavy, lady decamps to first floor. A second boat appears, with same conversation and result.

   Rain so heavy, lady moves to roof. Third boat appears, with same result and departs.

   Rain continues and lady drowns.

   She goes to heaven in a temper, determined to see the Top 'Man' who she is shown in to.

   "I trusted in you," she says.

   The Lord replies, "Well lady, i sent you three boats."




   My point with this story is to underline how easy it is to fail to see a gift when it's (that;s correct) right in front of your face.

   So how is The Shambles a gift.

   Coupla suggestions.
   
   Are you really saying you never change the subject when you don't have an answer? OK, so what's that about for you not-Shambles'?

   You never ignore difficult points?

    Never bog opponents down in irrelevant detail?

   
   The other point is about dealing with all those tendencies. Doesn't look too much like much of what is done is having too much effect. Tho' the heated responses to Shambles' general coolness and not-being-personal-ness(usually,usually) is rather amusing.

   My point is summed up in the thought,"If you keep on doing whAT YOU'VE ALWAYS DONE , you keep on getting what you've always got."

   Still, if it makes you happy................

   And don't forget,


"Always look on the br.....etc." Hopr we won't be regretting all this on our deathbeds - that's what I call a closed thread.




    Ivor



    ivor


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Nov 06 - 11:29 PM

I think the reason that Shambles is making so many mistakes in his postings is because he is beginning to feel like a trapped fox. The walls are closing in on him because he knows that he will soon be gone. Of course, he is too much of a Don Quixote to appologize or admit that he is wrong. Therefore he can't run and he can't hide. He can just keep posting the same things over and over and over. Nothing new whatsover. Of course, he can end all of this with a few PMs but he is too stubborn to even do that.

Anyway:

"Shambles: I just don't care anymore. You press your point, time after time, until you press too far and then complain about the check. You do this purposefully to prove a point, but in the end, you are a distraction from the real point of this site. You too, should bid farewell."

According to Max "Trust me, this matter will be dealt with in time. Trust me, we working as hard as we can to make this happen as soon as we can." That's about you leaving.


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: bobad
Date: 14 Nov 06 - 09:04 PM

And number 6 posting on post #1666 makes it downright spooky.


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: number 6
Date: 14 Nov 06 - 08:18 PM

Now this thread is drifting from the wacky to the macabre !!

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Nov 06 - 08:07 PM

Hmm, that's not a bad idea. Sentenced to death as a penalty for boredom.


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 14 Nov 06 - 08:00 PM

I was court-martial in my absence, and sentenced to death in my absence, so I said they could shoot me in my absence.
Thomas Hardy


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 14 Nov 06 - 07:55 PM

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: McGrath of Harlow - PM
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 02:33 PM

Let's just leave him alone. I'm rather sorry curiosity got the better of me and I dipped into this thread, and then made a couple of posts to it. It's easy to slip into the way of doing that, but it's not really a good idea. So "Over and out".


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 14 Nov 06 - 07:41 PM

I had a check just now, and I see he's done as many as fifteen consecutive posts before someone jumped in to give him a hand.

And that might not even be his record - I didn't go through more than a few of the 50s, of which this is number 34.


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: catspaw49
Date: 14 Nov 06 - 07:19 PM

Nah... I just loved Wolfie's post and it reminded me of the old "do-bee" joke.

Truth be told, it don't matter a rat's ass whether we do or don't post. Shamby Pamby will come along and refresh and argue with himself until someone else comes along. And if they don't it won't stop him. Have fun with his ass. Ain't nothin' we say to him or him to us gonna' matter. Down the road he'll be on the train out of here. If you don't post or I don't for the next month, trust me,this thread will still be going. Call him a dick or yank on it....Just have a good time.

Shoot, maybe that's his whole problem......he needs a good fuck or something! Maybe not.....Don't care.....Don't matter!

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: number 6
Date: 14 Nov 06 - 07:04 PM

What ?!?!?!?!

You 2 guys must miss Shambles today ... you are the only 2 (next to me so far) that have posted to this wacky thread !!


biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: catspaw49
Date: 14 Nov 06 - 06:28 PM

LOL.....Ah yes Wolfie......very well done.

To be is to do--Socrates, Greek Philosopher
To do is to be--Jean-Paul Sartre, French Philosopher
Do be do be do--Frank Sinatra, American Singer
You do to be to be--Shambles, English Doofus


Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Wolfgang
Date: 14 Nov 06 - 05:09 AM

You do now to be at least to be...

without the fill-words is a simple "You do to be to be...". You have a way with words, Shambles, so clear and succinct.

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 13 Nov 06 - 07:56 PM

You may have missed the following editing comment, which was inserted into an existing thread (where no editing action had taken place) and which did not refresh the thread.

I need more specific information to figure out what you're talking about. If you need information from the thread, contact me by personal message.
-Joe Offer-


It is me who is asking for specific information about a thread that has vanished without trace or explanation.

For I only know that Wolfgang and I both posted to a thread (along with others) that has now vanished without trace or explanation.

You do now appear to be a least be confirming that such a thread does exist - so perhaps you would be kind enough to explain its vanishing to the other contributors to that thread - whose posts have also disappeared with it - and to anyone else on our forum who will be interested in hearing the explanation of its fate?


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 13 Nov 06 - 11:28 AM

The rules for you really aren't too different then the rules for anyone else.

It would quite clearly appear from the following assurance - made in an editing comment - that they are. As another named poster was assured in an editing comment that they were free to post there, what they will...

Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day - not monitored
From: The Shambles - PM
Date: 12 Nov 06 - 07:20 PM

feel free to post what you will here, CH. The title of the other thread has been amended. Mudelf

Does that apply to my posts also?

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Quite obviously not as my post was anonymously moved from that thread to this one........

And also - from its clear title - our forum was wrongly given the assurance that thread was NOT MONITORED. Clearly this assurance was not seen to be honoured either.


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 13 Nov 06 - 02:03 AM

Shambles, If you wish to quote me, please furnish the context of the quote - this admonishment was directed at a person (not at Shambles) who posted under a number of fraudulent names, a person who was trying his/her best to be "a pain in the ass."

If I did as you request - this would give you ammunition to delete it on the size of the copy and paste which you will permit. The intention is not to give the wrong impression of your words - just to provide enough of them and to ensure that I do not exceed the pemitted size of what you judge to be permissible.

As current Chief of the Mudcat Editing team - could you confirm here what Wolfgang is unwilling to confirm to our forum? That there was in fact a recent thread that we both posted to but which has vanished along with all of its posts - without trace or explanation?

Or are you not aware of it?
    I need more specific information to figure out what you're talking about. If you need information from the thread, contact me by personal message.
    -Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Nov 06 - 09:16 PM

No Shambles it doesn't apply to your posts too because you don't stick to the topic of the thread. All you do is regurgitate the same garbage wherever you post. You are only alloweed to post garbage in this thread but you still can post relevant information in any other thread. The rules for you really aren't too different then the rules for anyone else. If someone is going to complain and trash Max and his representatives then they will be edited out. Because you do it so often you are given one place to bitch and moan without being edited out. On any other thread you can post information that fits in with the theme of the thread. So stop complainging all the time about being isonlated to this one thread.

Of course, none of this really means squat because, as you know:

"Shambles: I just don't care anymore. You press your point, time after time, until you press too far and then complain about the check. You do this purposefully to prove a point, but in the end, you are a distraction from the real point of this site. You too, should bid farewell."

According to Max "Trust me, this matter will be dealt with in time. Trust me, we working as hard as we can to make this happen as soon as we can." That's about you leaving.

Your days are limited here if you don't change your ways. My guess is that you won't change.


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Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day - not monitored
From: The Shambles
Date: 12 Nov 06 - 07:20 PM

feel free to post what you will here, CH. The title of the other thread has been amended. Mudelf

Does that apply to my posts also?


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 12 Nov 06 - 01:52 PM

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat censorship - a proposal
From: Big Mick - PM
Date: 02 Apr 05 - 08:31 PM

The alteration it needs must occur in the minds of the folks that respond to this stuff. Roger is entitled to his opinion, and in virtually every posters response they have indicated they are tired of his restating the same thing over and over; they are tired of him twisting quotes to serve himself; they go on and on about how he goes on and on. Do you folks learn anything? Who is worse, Roger or you? The question to Roger about who is "we" has been asked over and over.

Roger isn't the problem anymore. Those that feed him are.
Mick

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So posters - you can see that (according to Mick) it is not me or our 'moderators' who are the problem - but you. I wish I had a pound for every one of Mick's posts to these threads - since he posted that one. I would be very wealthy indeed.

The point is that poster do still have the right to post their views and just being judged irritating, not to your taste or making any other judgement of a poster's worth does meet - even the ever varying criteria to restrict or prevent their posting.

So no 'moderator' should be seen to be taking part, encouraging or even turning a blind eye to such things on our forum.

The only options open to posters (and 'moderators) are to ignore threads and posts that are not to their taste - or for them to post elsewhere.


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Nov 06 - 01:40 PM

Wrong shambles. Try it being a witness, solicitor or spectator. You would find youself dealt with.

The point is there are rules and codes of conduct people have to follow and there are apporopriate methods of dealing with those that don't.

The big difference here is that the mods have no choice other than to try to put up with your abuse. While I suppose one could argue they should never snap back, I'm not surprised it happens once in a while and I consider them to have been exceptionaly patient with you overall.


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 12 Nov 06 - 01:40 PM

You will Roger, you will!


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 12 Nov 06 - 01:29 PM

FROM: Long term member who has watched this for about 7 years or so

Just - watched?

Just - a long term member?

If you judge this to be what you call a troll - why can you not be seen take the only effective action against trolls - which is simply to ignore such things.

You have repeatedly shown that you are unable to do this yourself - so what makes you think you have some right to instruct others?

It does seem to be a complete waste of time as no one ever appears to have taken much notice of your instructions in the past.

Perhaps because they see you as setting the example of a hypocritical double standard?

Perhaps if you were been seen to be able to actually practice what you preach and actually do what you have told other posters to do over this period - they may follow your example?

You have publicly indulged in calling me far worse names than this current one - do you want me to post some examples?


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Big Mick
Date: 12 Nov 06 - 12:29 PM

MEMORANDUM
TO:          Folks who engage in discussion with this person
FROM:       Long term member who has watched this for about 7 years or so
RE:          False premise debate

You see, folks, this is how a veteran troll who neurotically needs attention draws you in. He creates, or seizes on, false and incorrect premises and gets you to debate them. Then he keeps it going until some other opportunity presents itself for him to go down another phoney path, thereby allowing him to get the attention that his neurosis/condition demands. Here is the false premise he is using:

    He has seized on the analogy of this being a court of law. A court is an adjudicator of laws. Laws are based on the rights granted by one's government/monarchy/whatever. In theory they are inalienable. This is not a governmental unit. You have no rights here. You are simply allowed to participate in the forum that the owner has set up. You agree to abide by whatever he sets as the parameters for usage. All the references to court are not applicable. And the references to Animal Farm show this persons martyr/Jesus complex in its full glory. He believes in that twisted mind that he is Snowflake. Nothing could be further from the truth.


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 12 Nov 06 - 12:14 PM

A kangaroo court is a 'judicial' proceeding that denies proper procedure in the name of expediency; a fraudulent or unjust trial where the decision has essentially been made in advance, usually for the purpose of providing a conviction, either going through the motions of manipulated procedure or allowing no defense at all.


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 12 Nov 06 - 12:12 PM

Shambles, try repeatedly calling a police officer a liar or carrying out your own agenda in a court of law.

In a court of law - you are first charged with some offence and the prosecution has to first prove the accused has actually committed this offence before sentencing and their punishment is imposed on them.

Here the role of police, prosecutor, judge, jury and executioner are combined and no defence is permitted to be mounted before the sentence is imposed.

And when it has - that does not seem to be enough for some posters.


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 12 Nov 06 - 11:35 AM

Roll on members only posting!


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 12 Nov 06 - 11:17 AM

I am not too sure if the context of such an expample setting post from a 'moderator' with its clear attitude towards free expression on our forum really matters or can ever be justified or excused. The damage once done - cannot be undone. Some kind of public apology from the current Chief of the Mudcat Team to our forum may help...........

I am also not sure if it really matter who this abuse is directed at. But if you want an example from the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team that is directed at me - there is no shortage of these - like the following.   

Subject: RE: BS: Do you need to be censored?
From: Joe Offer - PM
Date: 28 Apr 06 - 12:43 PM

Hmmmm.
Name-calling?
As far as I can recall, the Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team is generally quite careful not to directly refer to anybody by a name.


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Subject: RE: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed.(2)
From: Joe Offer - PM
Date: 23 Apr 06 - 01:35 AM
>snip<
Why should anybody bother with you, Roger? You're just a self-centered, puffed-up buffoon who has made a mockery out of himself. I wish it were otherwise, but you're really a sad case.
-Joe Offer-


The point is that such examples will be followed and how can anyone who posts such things expect to been seen to fairly judge anyone else for the same or similar (mis) conduct - with any credibilty?


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Joe Offer
Date: 11 Nov 06 - 11:08 PM

    Yes, I think you may well be first on the list, my friend. It's time for you either to shut up, or to use a name and take responsibility for what you have to say. If you continue to refuse to use a name, you will be come a non-person around here, and every single message you post will be deleted.
    Free speech is fine, but you're just a pain in the ass.
    -Joe Offer-
Shambles, If you wish to quote me, please furnish the context of the quote - this admonishment was directed at a person (not at Shambles) who posted under a number of fraudulent names, a person who was trying his/her best to be "a pain in the ass."

Shambles has misused this quote so often that the index is cluttered with copies of it. The original is in this thread (click).

-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Nov 06 - 10:03 PM

One example of such a lapse from a police officer, a judge or anyone in a responsible position would be enough to lose them their job.

Shambles, try repeatedly calling a police officer a liar or carrying out your own agenda in a court of law.


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 11 Nov 06 - 07:57 PM

Subject: RE: THE MUDCAT IS UNDER FIRE
From: Shaneo - PM
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 12:12 PM

Is there a bit of history between[bad blood] some people here ?
Some days when I come here I'm afraid for my life to even post a request for a song or info. on a song for fear of being ridiculed.
When you join a thread here even misspelling is shot down , yet it seems ok for others to use the most appalling language to one another.


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 11 Nov 06 - 07:51 PM

"and only bite back occasionally."

This is not support provided for a claim of tolerance - it is an excuse provided in an attempt to justfy many examples of intolerance?

Examples which sadly are followed as being acceptable on our forum.

One example of such a lapse from a police officer, a judge or anyone in a responsible position would be enough to lose them their job.

For this is seen to compromise all of their colleagues - who do not set or follow this example and still expect their judgement to be respected.


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 11 Nov 06 - 07:12 PM

"and only bite back occasionally."

I knew you wouldn't read it properly, you never do!


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 11 Nov 06 - 07:04 PM

I give them 10 out of 10 for tolerance, whatever you may think about that.

I think that - as the example our tolerant 'moderators' set and advise us.

Don't listen to self righteous, know it all assholes.
Mick


And

Yes, I think you may well be first on the list, my friend. It's time for you either to shut up, or to use a name and take responsibility for what you have to say. If you continue to refuse to use a name, you will be come a non-person around here, and every single message you post will be deleted.
Free speech is fine, but you're just a pain in the ass.
-Joe Offer-


I am sure that you would equally credit parking wardens with tolerance - when they don't follow the criteria and wrongly give you a parking fine. And the police also - should you get a speeding ticket when you are not meeting the criteria for that.

I can and do credit our 'moderators' with gererally being well -intentioned. Although there does seem to be a few individuals who are determined to be seen to compromise the best efforts of their fellow edit button holders.

But what is the point of you pretending that they are anything that they plainly are not. Especially effective - when they are seen to publicly question these efforts and request radical changes to suit their requirements - in 'for the record statements' to our forum?

And despite our best efforts, Mudcat is no longer a pleasant place to hang out and goof off or have a good discussion. So, I think something has to be done. Ebbie's suggestion about putting Secret Santa in the music section is a very simple answer to one major objection I had to members-only BS posting - duh, why didn't I think of that?

So, short of members-only posting, what can we do to bring peace to this place? I'd rather have another solution, but I haven't been able to think of one.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Nov 06 - 03:48 PM

I frankly think that the moderators do not delete nearly enough. All of your whiney, complaining comments, Shambles, should be immediately deleted the way they would be on any other internet board. On any other board you would have been history many moons ago. Couant your lucky stars that Max and Joe haven't cut you off yet.

Anyway:

"Shambles: I just don't care anymore. You press your point, time after time, until you press too far and then complain about the check. You do this purposefully to prove a point, but in the end, you are a distraction from the real point of this site. You too, should bid farewell."

According to Max "Trust me, this matter will be dealt with in time. Trust me, we working as hard as we can to make this happen as soon as we can." That's about you leaving.


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 11 Nov 06 - 11:48 AM

Roger if you expect to GET respect you should try and GIVE respect. I suggest you start with respect for those who work hard keeping this site 'clean and green'. Who in spite of the fact that you constantly denigrate all their efforts, still tolerate your rubbishing of their hard work, and only bite back occasionally. I give them 10 out of 10 for tolerance, whatever you may think about that.
Giok


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 11 Nov 06 - 11:36 AM

'If you look back you will see the link (and the explanations). The thread was wrongly deleted - as the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing team stated that it did not meet the criteria. So he restored the thread and those posts. So you will now be able to see your post once again.' This from a PM from RToger today in answer to my qyuery as to which of my posts had been deleted.

It is interesting why I am being asked this. It would not be possible to ask whoever was responsible - for they are anonymous - but why not ask the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team?

For the record - this is the Private Message from me in full - which Jackie C copied part of in public.

As there is no need for this - I would appreciate it if you don't threaten me with action that would only suceeded in placing you squarely in the wrong. You asked - and I explained. If you had looked as I suggested - you would not have felt you needed to threaten me - and with what? Could my name be any blacker than it is currently painted?

If you look back you will see the link (and the explanations). The thread was wrongly deleted - as the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing team stated that it did not meet the criteria. So he restored the thread and those posts. So you will now be able to see your post once again.

If you really want your post deleted again - you will have to make that request to the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team. Or shall I make it publicly for you?


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The following link is to the thread concerned.

Winona Ryder's birthday thread(s)

And the previous one.

Where - the title of a clearly titled music thread Do you support the Status Quo?
   has been changed without the originator's permission for some reason to In favour of/ Do you support the Status Quo - and has now been relegated to the BS section by the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team. He has also seen fit to combine the deleted BS thread with this Music thread.

The following editing comment was inserted into an existing post which did not refresh the thread.

Threads combined. Messages above had been deleted, but I could see no justification for the deletions. Messages below are from a new thread.
-Joe Offer-


This is the true nature and current level of what you are asked to support as 'moderation'.

A still anonymous 'moderator' decides to delete an entire thread. When this action is brought to the attention of the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team's attention - this imposed action is judged by him to have had no justification. End of story.

But is anything learned from this? Is our forum given any apology? What happens now to prevent such sillyness from happening again?

Nothing. Such things have occured time and time again and nothing happens or changes to prevent it. When such things are pointed out and suggestions made to prevent it - the accusation is taken-up that the same questions are being asked again and the same suggestions are made - posting restrictions are then imposed on a individual poster to try and prevent this.

But still nothing is done to prevent entire threads from continuing to be anonymously and 'silently deleted' when the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team judges them not to meet the criteria required for this. But still posters are assured that their posts are safe from 'silent deletion' - when they are clearly seen not to be.


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 11 Nov 06 - 11:01 AM

You can bang your head, you can send more PMs, you can repeat your question of the last paragraph as often as you want, my communication regarding that matter is closed.

Wolfgang


You mean rather like the thread in question? No - of course this thread has not been closed - it (and your posts to it) has simply vanished without trace or explanation. I had hoped that as I did answer your question - you would answer mine.

But of course the answer would not be of concern to someone who can seriously post the following nonsense - and mean it!

(1) I approve of deletion of threads that do not meet criteria (if I was in charge I would delete even more).

Perhaps someone else could confirm for us - the existence (and now the non-existence) of that thread?


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: jacqui.c
Date: 11 Nov 06 - 10:54 AM

Many of whom (including the following) have had their posts 'silently deleted' when they did not meet the required criteria - by some anonymous 'moderator' - using criteria of their own? [This list not including casualties in the more recent thread referred to that has vanished without trace or explanation]

Georgiansilver
number 6
Little Hawk
John 'Giok' MacKenzie
bobad
jacqui.c
Ebbie
MMario
Liz the Squeak -

John 'Giok' MacKenzie
The Villan
number 6
GUEST,Jon
skipy
Divis Sweeney

When you stop using me to make your points I will grant you some respect. Until then - you reap what you sow.


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 11 Nov 06 - 10:47 AM

This from a PM from RToger today in answer to my qyuery as to which of my posts had been deleted.

So the posters above did not individually do anything that did not reach the required criteria - the whole thread was deleted and then restored.

Shambles - do NOT use my name to try to prove a spurious point by suggesting that my post was at fault.


I did not of course ever suggest anything of the sort. I simply listed all of the posters whose posts were wrongly deleted and my view that all of these posters were owed an apology. Your name was included on the list as your post was wrongly deleted.

This was when a still anonymous 'moderator' considerered that is was not part of their job to follow the required critria and honour the assurance given to our forum by the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team. The facts are simply that this entire thread (including your post) should not have been 'silently deleted' - but it was.

Jackie - I would appreciate it if you would honour our forum's long-standing convention of not making public the contents of private communications.

You threatened to do this and I requested that you did not as this would place you squarely in the wrong - and now you have chosen to do this, for reasons of your own - it has.

Any other poster likely to involved in a exchange of personal messages with you should be aware that you do not honour this convention.


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Wolfgang
Date: 11 Nov 06 - 08:18 AM

Thanks for your responses to my questions, Shambles.

On the one hand they show how crooked your thinking is (your responses to the questions 2-4 make close to no sense in the context of your argumentation regarding question 1) on the other hand you are invited to hold these opinions.

But if for instance the clones would have let each of these threads stay refreshed by inserting a comment about the action I would have protested. I would have hated to open a dozen music threads from old time just to find that the only new addition to that thread was a note by a clone that a post containing spam has been eliminated.

Your response to question 2 BTW is so silly and absurd that even you should acknowledge that it was over the top. The most I have seen were 6 spam mails to on thread (there may have been more). And you want each single elimination in that thread being commented upon? Like:

last post (from 2002)
spam post eliminated (clone A)
spam post eliminated (clone B)
spam post eliminated (clone A)
spam post eliminated (clone C)
spam post eliminated (clone B)

You really would object to a sentence like "six spam posts eliminated"? Or did you not understand the implication of my formulation of question 2 and did fail to grasp what you were supporting in your response?

You can bang your head, you can send more PMs, you can repeat your question of the last paragraph as often as you want, my communication regarding that matter is closed.

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: jacqui.c
Date: 11 Nov 06 - 08:16 AM

But are you only concerned about your own posts and not concerned at all about finding ways of preventing this from happening again to your fellow posters? Or are you suggesting that it is their own fault in some way?

Many of whom (including the following) have had their posts 'silently deleted' when they did not meet the required criteria - by some anonymous 'moderator' - using criteria of their own? [This list not including casualties in the more recent thread referred to that has vanished without trace or explanation]

Georgiansilver
number 6
Little Hawk
John 'Giok' MacKenzie
bobad
jacqui.c
Ebbie
MMario
Liz the Squeak -

John 'Giok' MacKenzie
The Villan
number 6
GUEST,Jon
skipy
Divis Sweeney

'If you look back you will see the link (and the explanations). The thread was wrongly deleted - as the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing team stated that it did not meet the criteria. So he restored the thread and those posts. So you will now be able to see your post once again.'
This from a PM from RToger today in answer to my qyuery as to which of my posts had been deleted.

So the posters above did not individually do anything that did not reach the required criteria - the whole thread was deleted and then restored.

Shambles - do NOT use my name to try to prove a spurious point by suggesting that my post was at fault.


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 11 Nov 06 - 06:56 AM

Special conditions have been imposed on other problem posters, so forget the paranoia. It's not that you're special Roger, it's just that you're the only one left; for the moment anyway!
Giok


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 11 Nov 06 - 06:31 AM

An anonymous 'moderator' tells our forum that:

You can be sure I would never consider explaining each one. No- it is not part of the job to do so.

Perhaps this is the same anonymous 'moderator' who would never consider it as part of the job to follow the criteria that the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing team assures our froum to be the case - in the following.

No, nothing you've posted has been deleted. It takes quite a bit to warrant deletion - direct attacks on people, racism, stalking, or frequent multiple posts of the same messages.
-Joe Offer-


What is the point of such assurances if they are seen to be worthless and not to be honoured by our 'moderators'?

And what is the point of having critera - if it is seen to be repeatedly ignored?

And what is the point of being seen to impose special posting restrictions on one individual poster - for bringing this reality to our forum's attention - to enable it to be openly discussed?

And what is the point of encouraging posters to keep trying pretend that our forum (and its moderation') is anything other than we can all plainly see it is?

Is anyone going to confirm seeing or deleting the recent thread and all its posts - referred to earlier - which has now vanished without trace or explanation?

Or is our forum expected to just go along with the pretence that this thread never existed? If so - to what possible purpose?


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