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BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.

The Shambles 09 Aug 06 - 02:16 PM
Lepus Rex 09 Aug 06 - 01:38 PM
artbrooks 09 Aug 06 - 01:32 PM
Georgiansilver 09 Aug 06 - 01:18 PM
Lepus Rex 09 Aug 06 - 01:14 PM
Clinton Hammond 09 Aug 06 - 12:55 PM
Lepus Rex 09 Aug 06 - 12:50 PM
GUEST,jOhn 09 Aug 06 - 12:47 PM
Clinton Hammond 09 Aug 06 - 12:41 PM
katlaughing 09 Aug 06 - 12:37 PM
GUEST,Art Thieme 09 Aug 06 - 12:21 PM
The Shambles 09 Aug 06 - 12:17 PM
Georgiansilver 09 Aug 06 - 12:08 PM
The Shambles 09 Aug 06 - 11:56 AM
GUEST,jOhn 09 Aug 06 - 11:50 AM
The Shambles 09 Aug 06 - 11:43 AM
Bill D 09 Aug 06 - 11:36 AM
Clinton Hammond 09 Aug 06 - 11:06 AM
GUEST 09 Aug 06 - 11:06 AM
GUEST,jOhn 09 Aug 06 - 11:06 AM
number 6 09 Aug 06 - 10:56 AM
Clinton Hammond 09 Aug 06 - 10:49 AM
Big Mick 09 Aug 06 - 09:12 AM
Joe Offer 09 Aug 06 - 05:55 AM
gnu 09 Aug 06 - 05:43 AM
The Shambles 09 Aug 06 - 05:04 AM
GUEST,Porn 07 Aug 06 - 06:51 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 09 Aug 06 - 02:16 PM

The question has to be "WHY ARE YOU STILL HERE"?

If you are really interested - you will find the answer contained in the following (but now closed thread).

Shambles still here and why?

You are engineering some sort of personal crusade against the very people who actually have some authority on mudcat (as you certainly have none, but for the grace of those who tolerate you).

Mike - if anyone were doing such a strange thing - the reasoning behind why someone would just up and decide to just do such a thing would possibly be something to query. Many would agree that the idea that someone would just up and do such a thing is a stange concept to accept and be ready to condemn such a thing - so why would you or anyone accept such a strange suggestion at face value to be the truth?

The fact that some here would like you to believe such a strange concept would of course let them off of the hook and relieve them from any responsibility. So how likely is it that such a strange concept is all or even part of the truth?

But is questioning - if the purpose nature of any authority is achieving its stated aims, considering that it may in fact be counter-productive and making suggestions as to how these aims may be achieved by less intrusive displays of this authority - to question that overall authority?

I feel that any delegated authority that felt that the correct response to such suggestions should be a hostile one and make constant attempts to supress public discussion of this subject - would be one that was insecure and unsure of the ability of their authority in achieving its stated aims but determined to hang on to this authority - regardless.

It is clear that any personally motivated 'crusade', campaign or special treatment has been engineered against my contributions and justified as something far more noble. What is then being encouraged to be judged harshly - is the fairly understandable reaction to this.

Mine is a determined reaction but a fair one. I do not resort to the name-calling and abusive personal judgements that are the example of acceptable posting set by the Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team and subsequently justified, minimised and excused. And I do not respond in kind to the many that are encouraged to be posted at me and which I receive no protection from. I simply try to inform our forum of this - despite the attempts to prevent and restrict this.

I am often urged to concentrate on music related threads. If the assumption is being that my posts will be safe from the special attentions and imposed judgement of the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team - this assumption would be wrong.

Do you not also think it strange that whenever I produce the evidence of the examples set by the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team, in posting the many name-calling abusive personal judgements of me - some noble sounding reason is found (by the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team) to close that thread?      

OK, this has gone on long enough. By popular request, this thread is closed. It's getting nasty, and "Nasty" is indeed suitable grounds for thread closure.
-Joe Offer-


The case for the many forms of selective and personally motivated special treatment imposed on my posts by the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team - is a strong one to anyone with an open mind. And perhaps should be addressed before too many harsh judgements are made of any reaction to them?

Based on the number of threads on this subject that he has found reasons to close - the case that the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team simply does not wish this subject to be discussed on our forum - is a pretty strong one also...........


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Lepus Rex
Date: 09 Aug 06 - 01:38 PM

Hopefully their little hive minds, Georgiansilver. Like artbrooks, I read these for entertainment. Shambles may be annoying, in some ways, but I hate seeing people try to shut him down. He's not hurting anyone, and, for the most part, he keeps this sort of thing in his own threads. And although Shambles seems to be beyond accepting any kind of advice, the others may bemore receptive. Or so one would hope.

---Lepus Rex


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: artbrooks
Date: 09 Aug 06 - 01:32 PM

Well, I read Shambles threads because they're pretty funny, but I don't normally contribute. Yet, that one was closed down right after he responded to my otherwise mild comment. Perhaps I do have a purpose in this universe after all!


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 09 Aug 06 - 01:18 PM

And Lepus Rex..what are you feeding?


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Lepus Rex
Date: 09 Aug 06 - 01:14 PM

But I'm not bothered by any of it, really. And I'm not asking anyone to close a thread. I saw the thread title, thought "Huh, what's Shambles complaining about today?" Not terribly interested, but so bored with reading the endless "Gaza" thread that I imagined I'd find better entertainment elsewhere, I opened the thread. Read a bit of it. "Ah, same thing, then." Shambles doing the usual Shambles thing, and his usual detractors either trying to shout him down, or to reason with him, as if this time, he'll get it. Blah, blah, blah. I cut to the end of the thread, saw there you three jackasses braying in unison, and thought I'd ask what, exactly, Shamblesphobic individuals such as yourselves are even doing on this thread. Not a good question?

---Lepus Rex


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 09 Aug 06 - 12:55 PM

So you come in here and join us in whining?

Take your own advice before you try to hand it out, Lupus....


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Lepus Rex
Date: 09 Aug 06 - 12:50 PM

Or, maybe, you fucking whiners could just quit feeding him? "WAAAAAHHHH! MAKE HIM STOP, MOMMY!!!!" You're shrieking louder than he is. You knew what this was before you opened it, and yet you opened it anyways. Why? Just to whine? To demand it be closed? Ignore it. Or can't you resist opening it, and reading it? Because, like Shambles, you just have to have some idiotic cause to bitch about?

---Lepus Rex


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST,jOhn
Date: 09 Aug 06 - 12:47 PM

QUICKLY!


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 09 Aug 06 - 12:41 PM

PLEASE!


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: katlaughing
Date: 09 Aug 06 - 12:37 PM

PLEASE CLOSE THIS ONE, TOO!!
    Nope. Until Max pulls the plug on him, Shambles gets his one complaint thread to express what's important to him. If it gets out of hand, I'll close it and he can start another thread.
    But if I close this one now, Shambles will just start another thread, and another after that, and another. I have no desire to do battle with him. I wish people would ignore him so maybe be'd be talking to a wall and get bored and talk about something else, or go away.
    -Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST,Art Thieme
Date: 09 Aug 06 - 12:21 PM

Seems it shouldn't be so hard to understand. The folks that run and keep the site going have the right and duty to moderate the threads. This is a matter of what is and ought to be, and those that don't like it have no grounds to stand on.

And it is no threat to anything on any level whatsoever.

Art Thieme


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 09 Aug 06 - 12:17 PM

He owns the site and asked you to leave......shouldn't be anymore justification needed. But I gues you're just "special" aren't you Roger?.....LOL........

You really ARE mental Dude!

Spa


It does look as if the thought processes of one of us are more than a little confused..

For when the reports of my death had been greatly exaggerated or rather when you wrongly assumed that Max had actually stopped me from posting – you made this (rather touching) plea for my re-instatement…..

Subject: RE: From Max: State of the Union Address
From: catspaw49 - PM
Date: 12 May 06 - 11:15 AM
>snip<
My bad of course for messing with Roger. He doesn't see he's been messing with us for years, but.........And to some degree, your bad too. He's used an old quote hundreds of times and I know you'd like to have it that way (no rules) but it doesn't work once a site grows past a certain point which Mudcat has. Responding to Roger earlier might have saved some of this. I dunno'......So how about reinstating Roger and I'll agree to quit messing with him? Just ask him to back-off the campaign against Joe. No more censorship complaints. If he understands that we are all playing under the same rules perhaps......maybe he might........well its worth a shot isn't it? Roger has written some beautiful poetry and songs and staying in that vein, he needs to be a part of this community.


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 09 Aug 06 - 12:08 PM

The question has to be "WHY ARE YOU STILL HERE"? I have known some thick skinned people in my life. I have known some stupid people in my life. I have known some pathetic people in my life. I have seen many people and known of many people (in that I include myself) being ignorant of protocol in certain situations and behaving thoughtlessly as a result. You(The Shambles) are by far the first person I have come across who does not know when to give up! I have nothing against you personally but have seen what your postings and indeed your threads consist of. I have also seen many others comments which you do not seem to take on board. You are engineering some sort of personal crusade against the very people who actually have some authority on mudcat (as you certainly have none, but for the grace of those who tolerate you).
I stick mainly to the music threads now as I have been fed up with seeing your attacks!
Please Shambles, either settle down and find a place you can be happy with on the mudcat...without trying to change it to suit your own requirements...or if you cannot settle to it, please depart and allow the others the joy and peace that can be found for the most part in BS.
Best wishes, Mike.


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 09 Aug 06 - 11:56 AM

What was the question?


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST,jOhn
Date: 09 Aug 06 - 11:50 AM

See, you havent got a good anser!


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 09 Aug 06 - 11:43 AM

OK, this has gone on long enough. By popular request, this thread is closed. It's getting nasty, and "Nasty" is indeed suitable grounds for thread closure.
-Joe Offer-


Is this thread judged to have gone on long enough or to be 'Nasty enought to close yet?

Or is there not enough of a 'popular request' for it yet (how is this determined BTW)?


Is there no chance now of any joined-up thinking being undertaken on the part of our 'moderators' - before their knee-jerk reactions plunge our forum into yet more chaos?

For of course the message is now clearly being given here, as to how any poster who wishes a thread to be closed, can go about this. And our 'moderators' can place rather big hints which threads on what subjects they would prefer were not publicly discussed.

For of course this action is in fact telling posters and encouraging some of them (intentionally or otherwise) that the posting to any thread - of offensive language, abusive personal attacks and anything that could be judged as 'Nasty' - will not result in any action on the offending posts or against the offending posters - but will result in the threads closure and the prevention of the discussion contained in it.   

Now if our 'moderators' are really interested in the prevention of abusive personal attacks and general 'Nastyness' - the latest message given-out by this action - is just about certain to increase such things.

As this action is claimed and justified by being a response to a popular request - it will also ensure that mean-spirited posts judging the worth of fellow posters and calling for censorship action to be imposed on them - will also only increase as a result. Rather than these posters being told to concentrate on their own posts and to mind their own business.

Most witch-hunts, burnings and lynchings are said to be undertaken due to what is claimed to be by 'popular request'. Another term for this would be mob-rule.

When some accurate means of obtaining and demonstrating the wishes of the majority is undertaken before any action is taken - this is called democracy.

We are now told that our forum is not a democracy and that is fine. But perhaps from now on - any pretence that action is imposed due to 'popular request' can end - unless some real attempt is seen to be made to ascertain what the majority actually do wish - as opposed to acting on the wishes of noisy and unrepresentitive mob (only when these are the same wishes as our 'moderators') and claiming this is due to 'popular request'.


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Bill D
Date: 09 Aug 06 - 11:36 AM

"imposed closure" is redundant.


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 09 Aug 06 - 11:06 AM

Ya... I have a bb gun for neighbours like that....


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Aug 06 - 11:06 AM

Please delete him permanently.


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST,jOhn
Date: 09 Aug 06 - 11:06 AM

Shambles-you piss me off.

A third of the worlds population dosn't know where there next meal is coming from, there is homelessness, child neglect etc, half the middle east is killing each other, and loads of other real problems, yet you witter on all day every day about cencorship on a folk music website!

get a fucking life, if you feel the need to campaign, at least choose a worthwhile cause, its just a website.

anyway= max said if you dont like it leave=
"shambles you are a big moany, shut up moaning or leave"

(Max, ages ago)


anyway=you never post nothing nice, or funny, or intersting or helpfull, you just moan, and make everybody fed up, loads of people left mudcat, i bet some of them left becase of you moaning.

you wont answer me, becase you havent got a good anser.

john


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: number 6
Date: 09 Aug 06 - 10:56 AM

Oh no .... sorta like one of those annoying neighbours who come over to chat and complain endlessly about nothing you are interested in everytime you go out to cut the lawn or just want to sit on your porch alone and enjoy life.

sIx


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 09 Aug 06 - 10:49 AM

So LOCK this one too!!!

D'uh

Why won't you mods do your jobs???


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Big Mick
Date: 09 Aug 06 - 09:12 AM

SSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Joe Offer
Date: 09 Aug 06 - 05:55 AM

Nope.
didn't take long....


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: gnu
Date: 09 Aug 06 - 05:43 AM


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Subject: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 09 Aug 06 - 05:04 AM

Shambles still here and why?

Deleted posts & closed threads

The above two threads have been subject to imposed closure and the following explanation provided in an inserted editing comment.

OK, this has gone on long enough. By popular request, this thread is closed. It's getting nasty, and "Nasty" is indeed suitable grounds for thread closure.
-Joe Offer-


Perhaps those posters who are interested in this subject can be permitted to continue the debate on this new thread - without such flimsy excuses needing to be found - by the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team - to close this thread too?

How exactly was this 'popular request' determined? For such action is certainly not popular with me. And as the originator of one of these threads and the subject of the other. Perhaps I could have been consulted before any form of action was imposed?

If any posters make request to our 'modertaors' for any threads be closed - cannot they just be told not to open them? As both of these threads were (originally at least) clearly titled.


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Subject: RE: Review: National Folk Festival, Canberra, 2006
From: GUEST,Porn
Date: 07 Aug 06 - 06:51 PM

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    Sample of a typical deleted message, moved here for demonstration purposes. I moved all of the messages from August 10-12 into this thread, so people can see just what we've been deleting.
    -Joe Offer-


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