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BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.

Little Hawk 26 Oct 06 - 11:32 AM
WFDU - Ron Olesko 26 Oct 06 - 11:02 AM
number 6 26 Oct 06 - 10:51 AM
John MacKenzie 26 Oct 06 - 09:57 AM
WFDU - Ron Olesko 26 Oct 06 - 09:27 AM
GUEST 26 Oct 06 - 09:23 AM
The Shambles 26 Oct 06 - 05:33 AM
Joe Offer 26 Oct 06 - 02:41 AM
The Shambles 26 Oct 06 - 02:39 AM
The Shambles 26 Oct 06 - 02:30 AM
The Shambles 26 Oct 06 - 02:00 AM
Big Mick 25 Oct 06 - 01:40 PM
Bill D 25 Oct 06 - 01:38 PM
GUEST 25 Oct 06 - 12:21 PM
GUEST 25 Oct 06 - 11:37 AM
Peace 25 Oct 06 - 11:37 AM
catspaw49 25 Oct 06 - 11:28 AM
WFDU - Ron Olesko 25 Oct 06 - 11:17 AM
The Shambles 25 Oct 06 - 11:01 AM
WFDU - Ron Olesko 25 Oct 06 - 09:28 AM
catspaw49 25 Oct 06 - 07:26 AM
The Shambles 25 Oct 06 - 07:09 AM
The Shambles 25 Oct 06 - 07:06 AM
The Shambles 25 Oct 06 - 02:50 AM
Blowzabella 24 Oct 06 - 07:44 PM
GUEST 24 Oct 06 - 04:39 PM
WFDU - Ron Olesko 24 Oct 06 - 04:14 PM
John MacKenzie 24 Oct 06 - 04:03 PM
The Shambles 24 Oct 06 - 03:49 PM
GUEST 24 Oct 06 - 03:48 PM
WFDU - Ron Olesko 24 Oct 06 - 03:23 PM
The Shambles 24 Oct 06 - 03:02 PM
GUEST 24 Oct 06 - 01:11 PM
Wolfgang 24 Oct 06 - 10:22 AM
WFDU - Ron Olesko 24 Oct 06 - 09:44 AM
GUEST 24 Oct 06 - 09:35 AM
Tweed 24 Oct 06 - 09:22 AM
GUEST 24 Oct 06 - 08:48 AM
John MacKenzie 24 Oct 06 - 06:13 AM
The Shambles 24 Oct 06 - 05:41 AM
John MacKenzie 24 Oct 06 - 03:58 AM
The Shambles 24 Oct 06 - 02:33 AM
WFDU - Ron Olesko 23 Oct 06 - 09:05 PM
catspaw49 23 Oct 06 - 07:32 PM
Wesley S 23 Oct 06 - 05:43 PM
The Shambles 23 Oct 06 - 05:34 PM
John MacKenzie 23 Oct 06 - 03:45 PM
Wesley S 23 Oct 06 - 03:35 PM
WFDU - Ron Olesko 23 Oct 06 - 03:32 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Little Hawk
Date: 26 Oct 06 - 11:32 AM

I see it the same way. It's a form of slightly tacky but definitely amusing daily entertainment. Much better than a Hollywood gossip column and less depressing than the evening news.


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 26 Oct 06 - 11:02 AM

It's a hobby! It beats watching Springer.


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: number 6
Date: 26 Oct 06 - 10:51 AM

You guys are a riot!!

This thread has now become a daily "lunchtime" read for me ... along with the Daily City segment of the Saint John Telegraph news. The part of the paper were one reads about the Mayor, city councellors arguing about such matters on what is the most efficient way garbage can be picked up, or defining what constitutes an unsightly building. In effect nothing is ever resolved, but the debates are very entertaining.

"And THAT'S the way it is,"

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 26 Oct 06 - 09:57 AM

Guest you answered your own question really, you said it was not a Shambles thread YET. It was however well on it's way to becoming another one of his platforms. You also said it served no purpose, and was in poor taste.
Work it out for yourself!
Giok


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 26 Oct 06 - 09:27 AM

There you go again, twisting my words. I don't know why you call it "judging your worth" when someone offers criticism or suggestions. That is a slimy way to garner sympathy and you are certainly not a martyr.

If I am guilty of "judging you", it was when I came to realize that your points were valid and you are indeed the victim of scorn and derision that is simply not necessary. Yet you accuse me of seeking "100% agreement". The fact that I don't agree with all your statements and tactics has you calling me part of "the crowd" and catching a "dose". You can't seem to grasp that some people can make judgements and interpretations on their own.   Shame on you.

As for throwing out a line that you did not ask for advice, perhaps you have been a big guilty of that yourself?

I am not asking for 100% agreement from this forum - I could care less how the majority or the minority feel. As you very well know, it begins and ends with the host. I know you hang on to that one post made many years ago, but it is not "our" forum in the sense that you are trying to make it. This has been discussed over and over.

You asked for examples on how you are rude and how you've attacked people. Look at your last post directed at me. You can continue to attack me if you would like, but when you do, think again the next time you accuse people of attacking you.


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Oct 06 - 09:23 AM

Yes Shambles you are 100% right about selective editing. The Open Letter thread was not hijacked by you...yet. While the thread had absolutely no purpose and much of it was in poor taste there is no reason whatsoever that it should have been considered a second Shambles thread. Perhaps a moderator would like to comment on this. Shambles certainly had a right posting to that thread and defending his actions on the birthday threads. I think that the mods jumped the gun on this one.


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 26 Oct 06 - 05:33 AM

Perhaps our forum can be told, how exactly a 'Shambles thread' is now defined?

It would now appear to be any thread that our 'moderators' wish to close - but only of course after they have set the example of posting their own personal judgements (of other threads) in it?

Like the following:

Subject: RE: Open Letter to Max
From: Joe Offer - PM
Date: 25 Oct 06 - 01:42 PM

The birthday threads are obviously intended to be obnoxious, but the nice thing about them is that we can add actual music information to them and reverse the obnoxiousness.


We all have our own opinions on what we judge to be obnoxious intentions or not - perhaps our forum should be left to decide for themselves what those things are?

I may judge the intentions behind these imposed restrictions and thread closures to be obnoxious - but unlike an open thread - it is not possible for posters to 'reverse this obnoxiousness'.


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Joe Offer
Date: 26 Oct 06 - 02:41 AM

Say goodnight, Shambles.


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 26 Oct 06 - 02:39 AM

The above thread - after being relgated to the BS has now been closed by persons unknown for reasons unexplained.

That thread does now have an inserted editing comment of explanation for its (eventual) closure. As follows:

OK, so now it's time to say goodnight and to close this thread, since we only allow one Shambles thread to be active at a time. Say goodnight, Shambles.

Goodnight, Shambles.

-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 26 Oct 06 - 02:30 AM

Sorry, I'm tired of playing word games. For you to tell me where my thoughts come from is very disrespectful and unfounded. I do not care to have my words turned around and misinterpreted. I have clearly stated how I feel about this site and I do not appreciate being played with like this.

Ron - I am sorry if you really feel that I have been playing games with you (or if you have now caught the dose referred to):-)

However, a look back will show that if anyone was playing games here and playing to the crowd - it was you. As for me telling you where your thoughts come from and you judging his to be disrespectful - this was something that you started. And a look brief back will show hardly a post from you has gone by when you have not been judging my worth and telling me what I should do. Like the in the following.

If you truly wish to keep this on topic, you would not respond in public to the negative comments about you and defer all comments and responses of the type to private messages.

Although it was unasked for, I will take this advice starting with your posts - which rather clearly demonstrate the double standard of posting conduct, that some now consider to be acceptable on our forum. If you wish to post any more advice to me or personal judgements about me (or any other poster) you are welcome to do this via PMs.

If you wish to post to enter in to a public discussion on our forum - you may just get one but you will never get the 100% agreement you appear only to accept as a discussion.


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 26 Oct 06 - 02:00 AM

Open letter to max

The above thread - after being relgated to the BS has now been closed by persons unknown for reasons unexplained.

But not before at least one recipe (and a good few sensible post) could be posted to it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Big Mick
Date: 25 Oct 06 - 01:40 PM

Ron, you are getting a dose of what has driven otherwise decent folks so solidly against this person. He has been twisting words and taking things out of context on this interminable argument since early on in this forum. I find no redeeming value in his posts, and am dismayed when decent folks get sucked into them. This is all a game for this sad man. It is about getting attention, creating red herring arguments. When he is ignored, he starts tossing bait out until some person answers.


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Bill D
Date: 25 Oct 06 - 01:38 PM

shure am a lot of annoymous predictions about what Max will do as he addresses the situation. I am making no assumptions.


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Oct 06 - 12:21 PM

You are digging your own grave Shambles.

According to Max "Trust me, this matter will be dealt with in time. Trust me, we working as hard as we can to make this happen as soon as we can." That's about you leaving.

Repent sinner. The end is near!


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Oct 06 - 11:37 AM

Read the thread spaw. Most people don't find you funny. Most people are sick of you and your little group. Carry on laughing . Inanity suits you.


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Peace
Date: 25 Oct 06 - 11:37 AM

Goodnight, sweetheart, well, it's time to go,
Goodnight, sweetheart, well, it's time to go,
I hate to leave you, but I really must say,
Goodnight, sweetheart, goodnight.

(repeat)

Well, it's three o'clock in the morning,,
Baby, I just can't treat you right,
Well, I hate to leave you, baby,
Don't mean maybe, because I love you so.

(chorus)

Now, my mother and my father,
Might hear if I stay here too long,
One kiss and we'll part,
And you'd be going,
Although I hate to see you go.


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: catspaw49
Date: 25 Oct 06 - 11:28 AM

LMAO.......Well there ya' go! You really are a mental case Shambolina!

Here's one guy who really tries to work it through and see your points and stand up for you with some solid reasoning............So you aggressively go out of your way to piss HIM off?!?!?!?!

I have a bad case of the giggles and it's hard to type..........The irony and your inability to perceive anything.............geeziz    LOLOL ................you're really mental........LOLOL

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 25 Oct 06 - 11:17 AM

Sorry, I'm tired of playing word games. For you to tell me where my thoughts come from is very disrespectful and unfounded. I do not care to have my words turned around and misinterpreted. I have clearly stated how I feel about this site and I do not appreciate being played with like this.

Also, my "shorter tenure" extends at least 8 years on this site.


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 25 Oct 06 - 11:01 AM

Stop playing a game of semantics. You know very well that the host can do what they want and they will.

No - Ron this not a game it is a discussion. That our host can do what they want is a quite different point of this discussion and one that you know that I have long ago accepted in this discussion and in this thread.

You stated that The host knows all, and you know that as well.

Our forum only know what our host knows - when he tells us what he knows in his few public statements to our forum. Everything else is assumption.

As for me posting Max's public statements in support of my views - that is not it at all. It is to show that I support his views as expressed in his public statements.

To show that I am no idealist who just makes these things up. Ron you appear to have gained your views (from your somewhat shorter tenure as a poster) and seem to feel that the 'take-it-or-F*** *** attitude that you now pecieve on our forum has emantated from our host. The view that it is our forum - is one that host has encouraged. If Max's view has changed - I have not seen a public statement from him to that effect.

If you have answered the following - I have yet to see the answer.
By the same token - why do a few posters so vocally support the continuation of 'best efforts' that the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing team has publicly stated have not been able to make Mudcat - a pleasant place to hang out and goof off or have a good discussion?

But it is a point for discussion........For it remains a mystery to me.


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 25 Oct 06 - 09:28 AM

"No I don't and with all due respect Ron - nor do you. "

Stop playing a game of semantics. You know very well that the host can do what they want and they will.


"why do a few posters so vocally support the continuation of 'best efforts' that the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing team has publicly stated have not been able to make Mudcat - a pleasant place to hang out and goof off or have a good discussion? "

Again you ask the same question and if we take the time to answer you will disregard it again. Stop the game playing, this is not a way to have a discussion about the serious issues you brought up.


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: catspaw49
Date: 25 Oct 06 - 07:26 AM

You somehow believe that supports you don't you Roger?   How, I have no idea. Take a leap back to reality.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 25 Oct 06 - 07:09 AM

[PM] Max The future of Mudcat. What do YOU think? (81* d) RE: The future of Mudcat. What do YOU think? 12 Jan 00

Thank you Shambles. I think some may not catch what your trying to do.

The Mudcat's gonna grow. There will be a lot more content, a lot more people, a lot more posts, a lot more media, a lot more songs. We can't stop that now. But does this change anything? Some of us may get nervous that our happy world here may change, but what ever stays the same? The Real World is what it is, as is the Mudcat, and both are changing and growing everyday. Fear not the future, fear not the growth, fear not the change. It all comes down to one simple thing:

It will be what we make it... PERIOD


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 25 Oct 06 - 07:06 AM

PM] Max No BS: The Mudcat Is Shutting Down (72* d) RE: No BS: The Mudcat Is Shutting Down 02 Nov 01

>snip<
There is a Mudcat clique, or core group, if you will. I call you the 1%ers. Half of my design efforts, functions, doodads, are for the 1%ers, half are for the other 99%. The 1%ers are so because they're here a lot, and they post a lot, not for any other reason than that.

I ask more of you. I ask the 1%ers to simply represent us, the Mudcat, with pride, patience, empathy, tolerance, and love. I've seen some testiness lately. Don't you think I get pissed off? See me do much about it in the forum?

You are the 1%, which means you are not the majority by far. Try not to forget about the other 99%.


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 25 Oct 06 - 02:50 AM

The host knows all, and you know that as well.

No I don't and with all due respect Ron - nor do you. All our forum knows about what our host knows or thinks is what he chooses to tell our forum in his few public statements.

I have yet to read a public statement wher Max has stated that his views are synonymous with mine, yours or anyone elses - have you?

However, a few other posters (with agendas of their own) insist on telling us that our host's views ARE synonymous with those of the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team. Or are they really trying to tell us that Max is now 'being led by the nose' and that Max would not dare not to do as the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team publicly requests?

These few posters choose to ignore and not to provide any answer to the following - which clearly demonstrate that our host's views are NOT synonymous with those of the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team - as they claim.

Our forum has also been told that the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team that:
And despite our best efforts, Mudcat is no longer a pleasant place to hang out and goof off or have a good discussion.
And that:
So, short of members-only posting, what can we do to bring peace to this place? I'd rather have another solution, but I haven't been able to think of one.
-Joe Offer-

Perhaps you could tell us if our host agree with this as well?

Max's more recent public statements have not given a firm answer either way to whether our forum is the further changed to a members only forum to meet the public request for this - made by the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team's to suit his requirements. Perhaps Ron you know and can tell our forum why Max has chosen not to do this? One thing is sure - posters appear to read from these statements and see in them - what they wish to.

But that no reply had been given by Max to this request was made clear in the post where the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team made the above statement. So why this claim that our host's views should be seen to to be synonymous with the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team - when he himself is under no such impression?

By the same token - why do a few posters so vocally support the continuation of 'best efforts' that the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing team has publicly stated have not been able to make Mudcat - a pleasant place to hang out and goof off or have a good discussion?


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Blowzabella
Date: 24 Oct 06 - 07:44 PM

Why, on reading the last few posts of this thread, do i suddenly feel like the theme music for Dr Who is most appropriate....?


He will ask and ask until someone tells him what he wants to hear. If it takes forever then he will ask forever.

But Shambles, your days are numbered...you don't have forever.

According to Max "Trust me, this matter will be dealt with in time. Trust me, we working as hard as we can to make this happen as soon as we can." That's about you leaving.

To be continued.....


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Oct 06 - 04:39 PM

He will ask and ask until someone tells him what he wants to hear. If it takes forever then he will ask forever.

But Shambles, your days are numbered...you don't have forever.

According to Max "Trust me, this matter will be dealt with in time. Trust me, we working as hard as we can to make this happen as soon as we can." That's about you leaving.


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 24 Oct 06 - 04:14 PM

Oh Shambles, please. You are asking me to repeat myself again and again. You know exactly how I know, just like you know.   

The host knows all, and you know that as well.

Enough already, I am tired of hashing out the same points in this repititious excuse for a discussion. You have suckered me in again and again and I can only blame myself. I apologize to everyone else on this thread.   See my previous notes before asking more questions to get the same answers.


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 24 Oct 06 - 04:03 PM

"Our forum has certainly been told what restrictions the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team has decided to impose on my posting. Are you telling us that our host agrees with this?"

Oh Roger why do you persist in regarding Joe and Max as two different entities? Max owns the site, Joe and others help him run it and maintain it, they are synonymous. Logic dictates that IF Max disagreed with what Joe is doing, then he'd stop him doing it, think about it man!

As CH said on another thread, and I agree with him for once, you seem to delight in going out of your way to prove all your detractors right, by constant repetition of questions you already know the answers to.

Many of your points are valid, but are lost in the constant fug of repetition. Remember the story about the boy who cried wolf.

Giok


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 24 Oct 06 - 03:49 PM

You have the rights that have been made available to you as per the host.

My rights are now different yours and every other poster - how do you know this is what our host has now made available to me - has our host told you this?

Our forum has certainly been told what restrictions the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team has decided to impose on my posting. Are you telling us that our host agrees with this?

Our forum has also been told that the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team that:
And despite our best efforts, Mudcat is no longer a pleasant place to hang out and goof off or have a good discussion.
And that:
So, short of members-only posting, what can we do to bring peace to this place? I'd rather have another solution, but I haven't been able to think of one.
-Joe Offer-

Perhaps you could tell us if our host agree with this as well?


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Oct 06 - 03:48 PM

tick tock, tick tock. We will soon be members only Shambles and you will soon be history.

According to Max "Trust me, this matter will be dealt with in time. Trust me, we working as hard as we can to make this happen as soon as we can." That's about you leaving.


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 24 Oct 06 - 03:23 PM

You have the rights that have been made available to you as per the host.


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 24 Oct 06 - 03:02 PM

You have every right to complain, and keep posting, but whatever is going to happen will happen regardless of your efforts, my efforts, or Joe's efforts.

Do I still have this right?

It does not now seem as if I do.


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Oct 06 - 01:11 PM

Are you beginning to feel the walls closing in on you Shambles? Nowhere to run, nowhere to hide.

According to Max "Trust me, this matter will be dealt with in time. Trust me, we working as hard as we can to make this happen as soon as we can." That's about you leaving.

Maybe if you stopped ranting and raving then this can be prevented. No one says that you have to like what happens here. You just have to accept that you can't change it.

The clock is ticking...


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Wolfgang
Date: 24 Oct 06 - 10:22 AM

I don't have a persecution complex - I am being persecuted. (Shambles)

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 24 Oct 06 - 09:44 AM

"And those who agree with this this and those who see the merits of a members only forum as the only solution - can leave and form one that is to their requirements. "

It just won't sink in with you, will it? It doesn't matter who has the better solution. It isn't your call to make. People can do whatever the hell they want as long as the host allows it. Change can come to this precious forum whether you like it or not, and whether your arguements are just or not.   You have every right to complain, and keep posting, but whatever is going to happen will happen regardless of your efforts, my efforts, or Joe's efforts.


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Oct 06 - 09:35 AM

Hey Shambles, Your days are numbered!!!!

Subject: RE: Open Letter to Max
From: Max
Date: 24 Oct 06 - 09:17 AM

Our priority number 2 is to beef up the back end security of the site so that we can confront such issues. I cannot currently effectively enforce a ban on the savy. It would be too easy for them to find a workaround and get back in, now angry. Trust me, this matter will be dealt with in time. Trust me, we working as hard as we can to make this happen as soon as we can.


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Tweed
Date: 24 Oct 06 - 09:22 AM

WAIT!! Don't close it yet Joe! There is still the matter of the errant manatees to discuss. Somehow the original thread was mistakenly closed but I have started a new one to deal with the migration of these lovable and delicious animals to Memphis.


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Oct 06 - 08:48 AM

Can someone perform a mercy killing and close this thread now? Better yet, can someone do something to stop these constant ramblings by Shambles. Hell, I'll even become a member if "our" site goes members only if that is the only way to shut Shambles up. At least then the act will be done and he won't have anything left to ramble on about.

Max, if you are reading this please do something to put Shambles out of our misery.


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 24 Oct 06 - 06:13 AM

"Despite all this - I remain a great supporter of Max and our forum."

Poor Max; that's a bit like Sweeney Todd supporting the Barber's Union.


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 24 Oct 06 - 05:41 AM

Nothing ANY of brings up including whatever chief cook and bottle washer on duty suggests, means anything.

Careful Ron - that sounds close to heresy. Perhaps you would accept that everything that we post means that others are likely to follow this example?

And when the chief cook and bottlewasher on duty is seen to publicly suggest things like the following - that this example is likely to be followed by other posters? And that it certainly has been?

Shambles, go whine somewhere else, or maybe we should start threads about you and the sheep or something.
Joe Offer
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But Shambles believes in this sort of thing, so I think that maybe this would be a good opportunity to smear his reputation. Shambles, I'm sick of you and your shit
Joe Offer.
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Ah, Shambles - we make an exception for you, since you seem to think it's a good thing to have personal attacks. We want to keep you happy, after all. Your whining is so annoying.
Joe Offer
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Yes, I think you may well be first on the list, my friend. It's time for you either to shut up, or to use a name and take responsibility for what you have to say. If you continue to refuse to use a name, you will be come a non-person around here, and every single message you post will be deleted.
Free speech is fine, but you're just a pain in the ass.
-Joe Offer-

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Not a damn thing any of us can do except for complain.

No Ron - that is the ONLY thing 'the chief cook and bottlewasher on duty' encourages you to do - by being seen to set the example of constantly complaining about our forum, blaming everyone else and taking no responsibilty themselves for what this example has created.

And when those posted complaint post are about our forum and other named posters such complaints are encouraged BUT NOT REFERRED TO AS COMPLAINTS.

The only posts that are judged as 'complaints' by 'the chief cook and bottlewasher on duty' are any posts that do not moan about our forum and fellow named posters - but are seen not to be in complete agreement with the many public complaints of 'the chief cook and bottlewasher on duty' and the example of posting behaviour this has now set.

What all posters can still do is to discuss this. I can only try to discuss it in this thread - in between the posts containing personal judgements of my worth, the recipes, jokes and the spam that the Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team has littered this thread with.

Despite all this - I remain a great supporter of Max and our forum. In order to continue to support our forum (with the example set by our 'moderators') In effect and along with this - I have been expected to accept a double standard of posting behaviour. Other posters may be prepared to support this - (openly or simply by not being seen to challenge it) but I see no place for this on our forum.

For being seen to support any part of this double standard of posting behaviour (even if you consider the end may justify the means) will just turn us all into hypocrites.


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 24 Oct 06 - 03:58 AM

Ach zo, today der Mudkatz und tomorrow de vorld, ve haff vays off
borink you till you leef, und zen ve are in sole charge ja?

For you Tommy, ze var ist over!


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 24 Oct 06 - 02:33 AM

Not a damn thing any of us can do except for complain.

Those 'moderators' who publicly complain about our forum thus: And despite our best efforts, Mudcat is no longer a pleasant place to hang out and goof off or have a good discussion.

And those who agree with this this and those who see the merits of a members only forum as the only solution - can leave and form one that is to their requirements. That will leave those poster who do not think this and who do not complain to concentrate in discussions on how to make Max's posting work - rather than finding fault with it.

And those who set the example of publicly posting only to complain about the worth of their fellow posters, to judge the threads and to intentionally find ways to prevent and restrict open discussion - can follow them - or stop.


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 23 Oct 06 - 09:05 PM

" there is no reason to change it - is there? "

There is no reason except for the choice to make changes for the sake of change. The host of this party can do whatever he wishes, should he choose. Nothing ANY of brings up including whatever chief cook and bottle washer on duty suggests, means anything.   Whatever suggestion is ultimately implemented or left alone is up to the host.

This discussion is getting to be like discussing the pros and cons of the sun burning itself out. Not a damn thing any of us can do except for complain.


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: catspaw49
Date: 23 Oct 06 - 07:32 PM

Excellent Wes!!! That's the first sensible analogy I've read here.

See, then you can alter it easily and see that if the Columbian supplying the coffee and Redneck supplying the green beans have a discussion and decide to jointly raise avocados the bus driver will have to revert to feeding the tropical fish and the cat which arrived after the kids left.

Really works doesn't it? Just the kind of thing that the Piss&Moanmeister can understand as it resembles many of his own postings!

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Wesley S
Date: 23 Oct 06 - 05:43 PM

To use another analogy we might say that the referees - appointed by the president of the league - have gone to dinner and ordered fish for dinner. However the private dining establishment they have gone to wants to serve them beef instead. So in a huff they decide to ride orange bicyles across town and have Tex-Mex food and pizza instead.

But wait - while eating pizza their bicyles are stolen and they have to ride the bus home. Whereupon they feed their tropical fish and go to bed. And in the morning they have blueberry muffins for breakfast. With coffee and green beans.


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 23 Oct 06 - 05:34 PM

That question has no relevance. What does starting a different forum have to do with this one?    Change can still occur here.

It is of course perfectly relevent. As for some time now, the first response encouraged to be made to any poster who would dare to make a suggestion for any improvement (that the few didn't not want implemented) - would be to tell that poster that if they did not like our forum - they were welcome to go elsewhere.

It is the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team who is publicly saying the following - And despite our best efforts, Mudcat is no longer a pleasant place to hang out and goof off or have a good discussion.

If this is the case - should he and those who agree with this be the ones to go elsewhere to indulge in the (questionable) merits of a private members club? For if our forum IS still judged to be a place to goof off and have a good discussion - there is no reason to change it - is there?

So is it or not?

We are back to our football game where the referees, are not satisfied with making up their own rules as they go along, being able to send players off but who now wish to kick the ball and join the teams and want to turn it into a diffrent ball game altogether.

Perhaps it is time to stop humouring such referees, accept that they will NEVER be satisfied and start enjoying the game without them?


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 23 Oct 06 - 03:45 PM

Roger likes to think of Joe as a temporary appointee, it makes his Quixotic campaign seem a bit less pointless.
G.


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Wesley S
Date: 23 Oct 06 - 03:35 PM

My I offer {pun intended} a suggestion? Perhaps the term "the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team " should be changed to "Max's chosen moderator". It would be more accurate.


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 23 Oct 06 - 03:32 PM

" is there any evidence that this proposed change (or anything at all) would bring about the peace required on our forum by the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team? "

Evidence is not required to try something new.

"what is preventing them from starting a forum with whatever policy they wish?"
That question has no relevance. What does starting a different forum have to do with this one?    Change can still occur here.


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 23 Oct 06 - 03:32 PM

"Our forum has managed without this for 10 years - firstly is there any evidence that this proposed change (or anything at all) would bring about the peace required on our forum by the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team?"

Along with many others Roger!

I know you like to blame Joe for everything that you don't like on Mudcat, but your statement is misleading. As your statements often are!


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