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Origins: Fiddlers Green (author)

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FIDDLER'S GREEN
FIDDLER'S GREEN (Cavalry)
WHEN YOUR BELLS HAVE TURNED GREEN


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GUEST,wayfarerer 16 Jan 08 - 12:40 PM
GUEST,wayfarerer 16 Jan 08 - 12:43 PM
The Villan 16 Jan 08 - 01:04 PM
GUEST,Terry McDonald 16 Jan 08 - 01:30 PM
Les from Hull 16 Jan 08 - 02:09 PM
GUEST,wayfarerer 16 Jan 08 - 02:32 PM
The Villan 16 Jan 08 - 02:59 PM
GUEST,Hannah 16 Jan 08 - 03:01 PM
GUEST,wayfarerer 16 Jan 08 - 03:43 PM
GUEST,John of Elsie`s Band 17 Jan 08 - 12:04 PM
r.padgett 17 Jan 08 - 12:22 PM
dick greenhaus 17 Jan 08 - 01:16 PM
Herga Kitty 17 Jan 08 - 04:59 PM
Tim Leaning 17 Jan 08 - 10:33 PM
r.padgett 18 Jan 08 - 10:47 AM
Malcolm Douglas 18 Jan 08 - 12:30 PM
r.padgett 19 Jan 08 - 04:44 AM
GUEST,kuec 09 Mar 08 - 05:22 AM
The Villan 09 Mar 08 - 05:45 AM
Pistachio 09 Mar 08 - 03:22 PM
The Villan 09 Mar 08 - 03:30 PM
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GUEST,Pam Weeks 27 May 10 - 10:25 AM
gnomad 27 May 10 - 11:38 AM
Arthur_itus 27 May 10 - 12:14 PM
GUEST,Jesse Wheeler 31 Mar 16 - 03:29 PM
GUEST,freespiritceol 01 Apr 16 - 06:16 AM
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Subject: RE: Origins: Fiddlers Green (author)
From: GUEST,wayfarerer
Date: 16 Jan 08 - 12:40 PM

Well, well, well, there's a great version of "Fiddler's Green" on an album by Maddy Prior and Tim Hart called "OLDE SONGS ON ENGLAND" that came out in the mid-sixties. The song probably dates from the 1800's or even earlier and they dug it up in the archives at Cecil Sharp House as folks from that time were wont to do.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Fiddlers Green (author)
From: GUEST,wayfarerer
Date: 16 Jan 08 - 12:43 PM

Sorry, that album was titled "OLDE SONGS FROM OLDE ENGLAND"


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Subject: RE: Origins: Fiddlers Green (author)
From: The Villan
Date: 16 Jan 08 - 01:04 PM

However Wayfarerer, is it the same song that John Conolly wrote. Its very important not to confuse the issue.
From what I can see, this thread is about the song written by John Conolly.
So are the lyrics the same and likewise is the tune the same?


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Subject: RE: Origins: Fiddlers Green (author)
From: GUEST,Terry McDonald
Date: 16 Jan 08 - 01:30 PM

It's 'Folk Songs of Olde England, Vol. 2.'


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Subject: RE: Origins: Fiddlers Green (author)
From: Les from Hull
Date: 16 Jan 08 - 02:09 PM

And it is the song that John wrote.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Fiddlers Green (author)
From: GUEST,wayfarerer
Date: 16 Jan 08 - 02:32 PM

Yes, you are all correct! I went and checked the liner notes to the reissue double CD set called HEYDAY by Maddy & Tim . Original album FOLK SONGS OF OLDE ENGLAND - VOL. 2 was in fact released in 1969. Tim Hart got the song from John Connolly and supposedly it was the first time the song was recorded. Find the album if you can -absolutely spendid!


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Subject: RE: Origins: Fiddlers Green (author)
From: The Villan
Date: 16 Jan 08 - 02:59 PM

Thanks for coming back on that Wayfarerer.

by the way its Conolly

I would love to hear that version. Is it on Myspace or Youtube?


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Subject: RE: Origins: Fiddlers Green (author)
From: GUEST,Hannah
Date: 16 Jan 08 - 03:01 PM

I think you'll find the album is called 'Folk Songs of Olde England, Vol. 2.'Duh


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Subject: RE: Origins: Fiddlers Green (author)
From: GUEST,wayfarerer
Date: 16 Jan 08 - 03:43 PM

I think you can find the original CD's VOL. 1 & 2 on Amazon.
A better deal might be the double set "HEYDAY" that includes both volumes 1 & 2 plus the "SUMMER SOLSTICE" album which is great from start to finish ( real nice version of "Dancing at Whitsun" )


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Subject: RE: Origins: Fiddlers Green (author)
From: GUEST,John of Elsie`s Band
Date: 17 Jan 08 - 12:04 PM

If a song is first published in 1966, albeit a grand song as is John Conolly`s "Fiddler`s Green", how in heavan`s name can it be justifiably included on an album called "Folk Songs of Olde England"?
"Contemporary Songs England Today" would be more appropriate.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Fiddlers Green (author)
From: r.padgett
Date: 17 Jan 08 - 12:22 PM

Patience Kershaw

A tragic song popularised by Roy Bailey

Not sure on the details as to who wrote it and year of composition

From memory included in on of Roy Palmer's books??

The details are directly from the Children's Employment Commission 1842 report by Samuel S Scriven ~ employment of Children and young persons in Mines and Collieries of the West Riding of Yorkshire

Patience Kershaw say (no 26)

"I wear a belt and chain at thw rokings to get the corves out. The getters are naked, excepting their caps. they pull off all their clothes. I see them at work when I go up. They sometimes beat me if I am not quick enoughj, with their hands. tney strike me on my back. the boys take kiberties ith me somnetimes. They pull me about. I am the ONLY girl in the pit. There are about 20 boys and 15 men. All the men are naked. I would rather work in the mill than the coal pit".

Comment made at the time:
A deplorabale object, barely removed from idiocy. her family receiving £2 19s 6d per week

A full Report contains much about the topic

Ray


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Subject: RE: Origins: Fiddlers Green (author)
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 17 Jan 08 - 01:16 PM

John Conolly's CDs have been all but impossible to find here in the States. CAMSCO is pleased to announce that "Send Us a Postcard",
"Ranter's Wharf", "By Humber's Brown Water (2 CD)" and "The Northern Trawl" are now all available.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Fiddlers Green (author)
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 17 Jan 08 - 04:59 PM

Ray - re the Testimony of Patience Kershaw. My copy of "My Song is My Own" (Kathy Henderson's anthology of 100 women's songs put together with Frankie Armstrong and Sandra Kerr) says it was written by Frank Higgins in 1969 and uses the actual words of 17 year old Patience Kershaw to the Royal Commission on Children's Employment, 1842.

Kitty


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Subject: RE: Origins: Fiddlers Green (author)
From: Tim Leaning
Date: 17 Jan 08 - 10:33 PM

That JC is a nice bloke But dont he cause a lot of trouble?


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Subject: RE: Origins: Fiddlers Green (author)
From: r.padgett
Date: 18 Jan 08 - 10:47 AM

Kitty I will look further at the Commissions Report and see if the song's words can be traced back to Patience Kershaw, herself

I feel sure that the words of the song are contained in a paragraph in a Roy Palmer song book

I'll also try to improve my typing!

Ray


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Subject: RE: Origins: Fiddlers Green (author)
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 18 Jan 08 - 12:30 PM

No need. 'Patience Kershaw' is quoted in thread  child labor & girl coal miner (Patience Kershaw), where there is also a link to a midi of the tune, transcribed from My Song is My Own. Roy Palmer's notes from Poverty Knock (Cambridge University Press, 1974, 43) are also quoted: he reproduced the passage from the report, but not Higgins' song on the subject (which is now also in the DT, at  TESTIMONY OF PATIENCE KERSHAW).


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Subject: RE: Origins: Fiddlers Green (author)
From: r.padgett
Date: 19 Jan 08 - 04:44 AM

The copy of the Commission Report which I have in my possession contains all of the details as set out in the song, from a variety of different female and other child colliers

The facts are not disputed

However my copy may well be abridged as I cannot find direct attribution to all song details as being sourced from Patience Kershaw herself

Ray


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Subject: RE: Origins: Fiddlers Green (author)
From: GUEST,kuec
Date: 09 Mar 08 - 05:22 AM

According the book 'My Song Is My Own' The Testimony of Patience Kershaw was writen by Frank Higgins in 1969. It uses the words from the original report. There is a brilliant recording of it by Cilla Fisher.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Fiddlers Green (author)
From: The Villan
Date: 09 Mar 08 - 05:45 AM

Cilla Fisher - now there's a name.

Saw Cilla & Artie Trezize many years ago in Scotland and later in Amsterdam. I believe thay do kids TV programs now. Is it the "Red Teapot" or something like that.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Fiddlers Green (author)
From: Pistachio
Date: 09 Mar 08 - 03:22 PM

Hi Les,Cilla and Artie did "The Singing Kettle" quite a long time back now!

John Conolly will be singing tomorrow (Mon 10th) at NOT The White Horse Folk Club, Foresters Arms, Beckside, BEVERLEY, East Yorks 8.30pm. I'll be there - will you?
Hazel.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Fiddlers Green (author)
From: The Villan
Date: 09 Mar 08 - 03:30 PM

No, sorry


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Subject: RE: Origins: Fiddlers Green (author)
From: The Villan
Date: 09 Mar 08 - 03:45 PM

I should have said

No Sorry, I will see him with Bill & Dave in September at Faldingworth :-)


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Subject: RE: Origins: Fiddlers Green (author)
From: GUEST,Pam Weeks
Date: 27 May 10 - 10:25 AM

Does anyone have current contact info for John Connolly? My band, T-Acadie, just recorded "Fiddler's Green" and would like to pay him the royalties and send him a CD.

Pam


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Subject: RE: Origins: Fiddlers Green (author)
From: gnomad
Date: 27 May 10 - 11:38 AM

Myspace do you?


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Subject: RE: Origins: Fiddlers Green (author)
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 27 May 10 - 12:14 PM

E-Mail sent to you Pam, with John's E-mail address.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Fiddlers Green (author)
From: GUEST,Jesse Wheeler
Date: 31 Mar 16 - 03:29 PM

Hello all, I have recorded Fiddler's Green with my Brazilian Irish band, and we are trying to find out what publisher has the rights to the song so that we can purchase the mechanical license. I have searched to no avail; likewise, I have written to the only email address I can find for John himself, a hotmail address. Can any one assist here?

Cheers,
Jesse (Brasilia, Brazil)


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Subject: RE: Origins: Fiddlers Green (author)
From: GUEST,freespiritceol
Date: 01 Apr 16 - 06:16 AM

https://www.facebook.com/johnconollymusician


Link to johns facebook page. If you get in touch with him say John & Marie in Ireland said hello. all the best J


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Subject: RE: Origins: Fiddlers Green (author)
From: JenBurdoo
Date: 01 Apr 16 - 03:13 PM

I might request that too - and I'm glad to see that Three Score and Ten is old enough to probably be out of copyright, as it's another I'd like to record.


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