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BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads

Peace 16 Aug 06 - 06:20 PM
Bill t' bodger 16 Aug 06 - 06:17 PM
Ebbie 16 Aug 06 - 02:06 PM
PoppaGator 16 Aug 06 - 12:29 AM
Les from Hull 15 Aug 06 - 12:28 PM
Haruo 15 Aug 06 - 02:17 AM
Big Al Whittle 15 Aug 06 - 01:13 AM
Janie 14 Aug 06 - 09:15 PM
GUEST,Nigel Spencer 14 Aug 06 - 10:52 AM
Don(Wyziwyg)T 02 Aug 06 - 02:40 PM
leftydee 02 Aug 06 - 01:16 PM
Les from Hull 02 Aug 06 - 08:22 AM
GUEST,sorefingers 02 Aug 06 - 06:08 AM
s&r 02 Aug 06 - 03:20 AM
Big Al Whittle 02 Aug 06 - 02:42 AM
SharonA 02 Aug 06 - 12:34 AM
GUEST 01 Aug 06 - 10:29 PM
The Fooles Troupe 01 Aug 06 - 08:51 PM
Kaleea 01 Aug 06 - 07:27 PM
Paul from Hull 01 Aug 06 - 06:47 PM
Paul from Hull 01 Aug 06 - 06:46 PM
Dave the Gnome 01 Aug 06 - 06:45 PM
Paul from Hull 01 Aug 06 - 06:14 PM
GUEST,The Vulgar Boatman 01 Aug 06 - 06:10 PM
Dave the Gnome 01 Aug 06 - 04:04 PM
GUEST,Mike Miller 01 Aug 06 - 03:58 PM
Dave the Gnome 01 Aug 06 - 02:12 PM
The Walrus 01 Aug 06 - 02:03 PM
Scoville 01 Aug 06 - 10:09 AM
John O'L 01 Aug 06 - 08:59 AM
Paul from Hull 01 Aug 06 - 08:33 AM
freda underhill 01 Aug 06 - 08:24 AM
Paul from Hull 01 Aug 06 - 08:21 AM
RobbieWilson 01 Aug 06 - 08:06 AM
kendall 01 Aug 06 - 07:51 AM
GUEST,Nellie Clatt 01 Aug 06 - 02:58 AM
Paul from Hull 31 Jul 06 - 10:39 PM
GUEST,Mrs Olive Whatnoll 31 Jul 06 - 10:33 PM
Paul from Hull 31 Jul 06 - 10:16 PM
Ebbie 31 Jul 06 - 10:00 PM
kendall 31 Jul 06 - 09:57 PM
Severn 31 Jul 06 - 09:55 PM
GUEST,Joe_F 31 Jul 06 - 09:12 PM
GUEST,Mike Miller 31 Jul 06 - 06:22 PM
Big Al Whittle 31 Jul 06 - 04:21 PM
gnu 31 Jul 06 - 03:53 PM
gnu 31 Jul 06 - 03:48 PM
GUEST,Skipy 31 Jul 06 - 03:44 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads
From: Peace
Date: 16 Aug 06 - 06:20 PM

You are much more polite than me, and much more succinct. I woulda used two words totalling seven letters.


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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads
From: Bill t' bodger
Date: 16 Aug 06 - 06:17 PM

the answer to "all non-Yanks please stay off my threads" is simple

NO


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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads
From: Ebbie
Date: 16 Aug 06 - 02:06 PM

PG, that is easily fixed- if Americans would like to be more in evidence they/we need to post more.

I like reading threads and posts from non-Americans. The world feels smaller to me nowadays.

I have heard the occasional comment that there aren't any interesting threads at the moment- well, if they'd start one, there would be.


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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads
From: PoppaGator
Date: 16 Aug 06 - 12:29 AM

No way I'm reading all 284+ messages at this point. I read the first 20 or so several days ago, and will offer this observation: The UK members seem to be ever-increasingly active, and to be posting a higher percentage of the posts than before.

Maybe fewer Americans are joining up while Brits (and other English-speakers) continue to grow in numbers. Maybe current US members are participating less than before. I don't know.

I quit my daily Mudcat "fix" pretty suddenly almost exactly one year ago, on Aug 29 '05, thanks to Hurricane Katrina. I'm gradually starting to check in, and occasionally post, with increasing frequency. I have the distinct impression of a much heavier British presence than a year ago. The demographic shift away from the US is undoubtedly more noticeable to me now, as I return after a year's near-total absense, than it would have been had I been present every day, barely noticing a gradual change...


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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads
From: Les from Hull
Date: 15 Aug 06 - 12:28 PM

That might be where Hull is, but the great city of Kingston upon Hull (the place more usually referred to on this forum) is in the United Kingdom.


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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads
From: Haruo
Date: 15 Aug 06 - 02:17 AM

So far 282 hasn't posted to this thread since he started it. As for where Hull is, it's across the bridge from Ottawa.

Haruo


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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 15 Aug 06 - 01:13 AM

south where...?
of course you're welcome!


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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads
From: Janie
Date: 14 Aug 06 - 09:15 PM

I live in the South. Guess I'm not welcomed either.


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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads
From: GUEST,Nigel Spencer
Date: 14 Aug 06 - 10:52 AM

What an odd thread. As that great English folk singer (not!), Ian Brown once said, "It's not where you're from, it's where you're at!"


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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 02 Aug 06 - 02:40 PM

"it's often unclear to those of us across the pond that the event is in the UK, even after opening the thread and reading a few posts. I think they forget that many towns in the US are named after towns and regions of the UK. (Case in point: I grew up in Warrington................ Pennsylvania!)"

I've had the same problem with events in the US, Sharon. We have a Portland of our own and I was quite disappointed the first time I realised that an event I would have loved to attend would necessitate a trip to Oregon.

Cuts both ways I guess, but, as it is an American forum it would not be courteous to suggest that you should identify US posts.

I take your point though and will continue to slide a UK tag into anything that I post about events on our side of the pond.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads
From: leftydee
Date: 02 Aug 06 - 01:16 PM

Come on 282, get with the program. I think it's a great thing to get input from other places in the world. It can expand yer horizons with leavin' yer desk!


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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads
From: Les from Hull
Date: 02 Aug 06 - 08:22 AM

I'm interested in US folk music, as are many of us UK mudcatters. And many US 'catters share an interest in the folk music of the British Isles, and other English-speaking places.

And of course it's not just folk music in the English language (it mostly is, but then it's an English language forum). So if we are careful enough to use terms that are understandable by most people with a good command of English - what's the problem?

Can someone who starts a thread claim to own it? No. The thread belongs to Mudcat.


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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads
From: GUEST,sorefingers
Date: 02 Aug 06 - 06:08 AM

We have a BS section and lots of non-folkie stuff reamains in the folkie section.

But we could also have a UK section/page for them and keep our crap separate.


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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads
From: s&r
Date: 02 Aug 06 - 03:20 AM

According to Partridge:

.....Yankee derives from US Indian 'Yangees' for English, or from 'Jankee' Dutch for little John

Stu


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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 02 Aug 06 - 02:42 AM

as a native of Boston, lincolnshire - I can see that. all i can say is, sorry.

if you had beeen to Warrington, Cheshire - you would understand why it would occur to no one this side of the pond that there was a tribute act going round.


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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads
From: SharonA
Date: 02 Aug 06 - 12:34 AM

Two Eight... say it fast and it sounds like "Twait", which is close to "Twit"...

Not that I personally would use the word "twit" in normal conversation, being an Amurkun and all...

But as long as we're discussing Brits on Mudcat, I'd like to take this opportunity to express one of my pet peeves about Mudcat: When UK 'Catters post threads about a festival or other event, it's often unclear to those of us across the pond that the event is in the UK, even after opening the thread and reading a few posts. I think they forget that many towns in the US are named after towns and regions of the UK. (Case in point: I grew up in Warrington................ Pennsylvania!)

I don't always recognize the Mudcat names on these threads as being those of British 'Catters, so I sometimes get confused about the location of the announced events, and it becomes annoying. I'm sure I'm not the only one who has experienced thie! So please, guys, don't just assume that everyone who visits Mudcat knows all about England's folk community. Remember that this is, as many here have pointed out, a worldwide forum, and please specify where in the world your announced event is taking place!

Thank you!!


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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Aug 06 - 10:29 PM

... neck wattles?


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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 01 Aug 06 - 08:51 PM

"The term, "Yank", is, of course a shortened version of the 19th century song title, "Yankee Doodle", "

... and of course,you do know what part of the body the slang term "doodle" referes to?


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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads
From: Kaleea
Date: 01 Aug 06 - 07:27 PM

so, 8, you want only Americans on the Mudcat? That'll be really interesting, cause I've never before shared about folk Music with someone from Argentina or Chile or El Salvador.
By the way, 8, can you point to the Choctaw Nation or the Cherokee Nation on a world map? I only ask, cause some of my relatives were of those nations, & sometimes those nations can be kinda hard to find on maps. And, by the way, an American friend of mine, who lives about 1/2 an hour south of me, was teaching me some of the folk music from his family just the other day. He taught me a song called, "Sin tu Amor." It's really fun to sing, & I can accompany myself on my Guitar.
Where does he live? My friend lives in Tijuana. I have lots of American more friends with I enjoy sharing folk Music. One lives near Vancouver. Another lives on a Polynesian island. I visited her family once, & I never heard such beautiful traditional Music. The lush vocals were angelic! I recall singing a Venezuelan song when I was in college. Maybe a lovely American from Venezuelan can help refresh my memory about correct pronunciation.
I'll really miss all of the non-Americans very, very much. But, wow! It will be quite interesting to have an all American forum.

By the way, 8, can you find Cyberspace on a world map?


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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads
From: Paul from Hull
Date: 01 Aug 06 - 06:47 PM

Ah, nocant be...not being called Fort WORTH....


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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads
From: Paul from Hull
Date: 01 Aug 06 - 06:46 PM

Well either that, or its the US equivalent of Hull...


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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 01 Aug 06 - 06:45 PM

Perhaps Fort Worth is the perfect microcosm of every type of society in the world?

Scary thought. Doesn't GWB hail from around there?

Cheers

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads
From: Paul from Hull
Date: 01 Aug 06 - 06:14 PM

*ROFL* Have you checked to see if its same bloke in each one?


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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads
From: GUEST,The Vulgar Boatman
Date: 01 Aug 06 - 06:10 PM

OK, we've spotted the troll, had a laugh - now answer me this: I've been a member of several English academic and musical societies, from the Galpin Society to the Northumbrian Pipers....why do they all have a member in Fort Worth, Texas? Just thought I'd ask....


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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 01 Aug 06 - 04:04 PM

Thsi must be my 3rd ton!

:D


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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads
From: GUEST,Mike Miller
Date: 01 Aug 06 - 03:58 PM

No, Dave, I don't think that 282 has received sufficient answer or answers to his concern. His question may, or may not, have been xenophobic in origin but his point was numerically correct. The lack of involvement by Americans in their musical heritage starkly pales with that of British folkies. Ther are a preponderance of English posts because there are so many English folk venues and so few American clubs. 282 seems to blame the British, somehow, for American indifference. Little does 282 realize that there are thousands of venues for traditional music in the US which go under the radar of fanzines like Sing Out and, dare I say, Mudcat.
I have been a full time professional folksinger for almost fifty years and I rarely appear at clubs or big festivals. My audiences are young (schools, libraries, camps, museums, fairs and galas), old (nursing homes, retirement facilities, travel clubs, outings), and in between (civic events, state and county fairs, ethnic orginizations, shopping malls, company parties, country clubs). I have not had to be on the road for years. There is so much work just in my area, and I'm not the only folksinger doing these jobs.
When I lived in Ireland (thirty years ago) I worked in folk clubs throughout the British Isles and I loved it. The venues were many and the audiences were receptive. You guys have it all over us when it comes to the club scene. But, for the purpose of making a living without living out of a suitcase, Philadelphia is to folksingers what Washington, DC is to lawyers.
That Mudcat does not concern itself with the kind of jobs that I do, jobs that are more plentiful in the US than in the UK is, perhaps, why 282 sees so few Americans on these pages.
Just a thought.

                           MIke


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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 01 Aug 06 - 02:12 PM

So, I guess we still haven't answered 282's questions then? He said 'If I get no responses I suppose that will answer my question.' Well, there are 90-odd responses (someone is about to get 100!). By the wording of 282s phrase that must mean he has not got an answer? Or does it mean he has not got the answer he wants? In either case I think it is reason and common sense that is the winner in this thread.

Cheers

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads
From: The Walrus
Date: 01 Aug 06 - 02:03 PM

RobbieWilson wrote (on 01 Aug 06 - 08:06 AM)
My what a successful troll: I starter post and 90 replies. max return for min effort.
Surely the troll would only have been successful if we'd been at each others' throats, (Trolls generally set out to stir up trouble).
As it is I hold the troll to have been a failure.

Comments please

W


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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads
From: Scoville
Date: 01 Aug 06 - 10:09 AM

What's your definition of "Yank"? I'm American but I renounced my Yankeehood decades ago (Texas . . . it's like a whole other country). I mean, really, by the truest definition, this thread would be New Englanders-only.


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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads
From: John O'L
Date: 01 Aug 06 - 08:59 AM

Keep outta my threads and don't you step on my blue suede shoes.

Uh-huh.


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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads
From: Paul from Hull
Date: 01 Aug 06 - 08:33 AM

*G* youre right there Freda


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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads
From: freda underhill
Date: 01 Aug 06 - 08:24 AM

amazing how people try to establish territory, even in cyber space.


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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads
From: Paul from Hull
Date: 01 Aug 06 - 08:21 AM

Heh, no Robbie we are just having fun.... its just that, as is often the case, the Troll has missed all but the very beginning of it....*G*


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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads
From: RobbieWilson
Date: 01 Aug 06 - 08:06 AM

My what a successful troll: I starter post and 90 replies. max return for min effort.


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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads
From: kendall
Date: 01 Aug 06 - 07:51 AM

So, Mrs. Olive whatever, what do you really think of us?


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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads
From: GUEST,Nellie Clatt
Date: 01 Aug 06 - 02:58 AM

Olive deary, calm down, 282 RA is just a naughty boy 'aving a bit of fun, you shouldn't take 'im so seriously.


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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads
From: Paul from Hull
Date: 31 Jul 06 - 10:39 PM

ayup Mrs W..what you doing awake at this hour? Up with yer 'doings' again is it? Eeee, youre a Martyr to 'em, I'll say...


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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads
From: GUEST,Mrs Olive Whatnoll
Date: 31 Jul 06 - 10:33 PM

Cor blimey!!! Wot stupid sod started this 'ere bloody stupid fread? 'E should 'ave 'is ears boxed, the silly bugger! These bloody Yanks are all fat, stupid, and daft. They're up to their ears in chip dip and Coca Cola and they carn't bloody well talk sense if their worthless lives depended on it. If I 'ad me way they would all 'ave to pay fifty quid in reparations to the whole bleedin' world, that's wot I say. Fifty quid for every man, woman, and child wot 'as 'ad fings loik the Archy comics and the Free Stooges foisted on 'em by the bloody STUPIDEST excuse for a civilizytion wot ever was dreamed of! If I 'ad been in charge of the British army in 1775, I would've exterminyted the lot of 'em! The revolutionary ones, I mean. Bunch of schemin' traitors to the crown! I would gone up and down the land 'angin' 'em from the highest tree. That there George Warshington I would 'ave drawn and quartered, loik in the mid-evil times. You carn't show no mercy to thieves and scoundrels loik that lot. To hell wif the bloody sods, I say!!! AR282, you can stick it!









(Cor! That felt good. I 'aven't 'ad this good an excuse to rave on in some time.)


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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads
From: Paul from Hull
Date: 31 Jul 06 - 10:16 PM

Course Brits arent really foreigners...its every bugger else thats the foreigners


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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads
From: Ebbie
Date: 31 Jul 06 - 10:00 PM

My daily rip-off sheet calendar at the office said otherwise about 'yank', y'all. I no longer remember the actual word or spelling but it claimed that it evolved from a much less than complimentary word used by the Dutch. For us. Referred to our lack of reasoning power.


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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads
From: kendall
Date: 31 Jul 06 - 09:57 PM

Ebbie, I wondered if anyone besides me got Becca's joke.

I don't see "Limey" as an insult. It was the British navy that discovered the cure for scurvy...Vitamin C.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hey, Yank! Nice Threads!
From: Severn
Date: 31 Jul 06 - 09:55 PM

If there's only Yanks on threads, they tend to unravel. The Brits seem like unthreadening sorts, too, sew its seams. So why can't we learn to tear apart the fabric of our existance in harmony? The needle arise for all sorts and missorts of us in here!

A mend, Brothers!




.....Me, I just tend to just shrug and say "Sew What?"!



(cue in the unravelled bolero)


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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads
From: GUEST,Joe_F
Date: 31 Jul 06 - 09:12 PM

Brits aren't really foreigners.

--- Joe Fineman    joe_f@verizon.net

||: Rules, tomatoes, entertainment: homegrown is best. :||


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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads
From: GUEST,Mike Miller
Date: 31 Jul 06 - 06:22 PM

The term, "Yank", is, of course a shortened version of the 19th century song title, "Yankee Doodle", which was popular during the War for American independance. A Yankee Doodle was, what we would now call, a bumpkin or a rube. It was a term of derision, not unlike "Paddy", for Irishmen. That we made it into a title of national pride is just one of those quirks of culture. New Englanders were called Yankees until the War Between the States (1861-1865) when the seceding Southerners applied the term to all northerners. A lot of colorful names came out of that era. The Southern states were called Dixie because they were below the Mason-Dixon line that separated Pennsylvania from Maryland (although Maryland did not secede). Poor white southerners were caled "goobers" because it was said that they subsisted on goober peas (peanuts). Men had worn sideburns for years before they were named for Civil War General Burnside and out of luck chaps felt that their name was mud after Dr. Samuel Mudd was convicted for treating the wounded John Wilks Booth after he escaped from that theater.
I am mentioning all these little goodies so that 282 can have some Americana to read.

                         Mike


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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 31 Jul 06 - 04:21 PM

Really weird - hearing us being defended by the Australians.

This was the nation that came up with that famous shaft of wit.

Howja get fifty Poms in a telephone box?

make one a foreman, and the rest'll crawl up his arse....


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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads
From: gnu
Date: 31 Jul 06 - 03:53 PM

Hahahaha!! Just got a PM. Gosh, it actually does appear that I am trying to be the voice of reason. And, no, I haven't a clue why either. Some things cannot be explained.


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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads
From: gnu
Date: 31 Jul 06 - 03:48 PM

Num-nums Skipy?


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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads
From: GUEST,Skipy
Date: 31 Jul 06 - 03:44 PM

I'm prepared to listen to breasts!
I'm very happy at having a go at listening in stereo by placing my ears very, very, very close.
Skipy


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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads
From: Ebbie
Date: 31 Jul 06 - 03:38 PM

OK, gnu. After reading the linked thread I see (I think) that 282 is (mostly) just tweaking our collective chains. May be the hot weather.

Now, back to the good will.


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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads
From: gnu
Date: 31 Jul 06 - 03:20 PM

Say... here's an idea... if 2 were to see the light and knock the chip off his own shoulder, would (almost) everyone see the light and take the lad under their collective wings? Ya know... olive branch and that.

I know I appreciated it when I needed it. More than once in my lifetime.

So... can we nip this in the bud? I feel poorly about what I posted. Even though I still believe in waht I said, perhaps I could have been a bit more tactful.

The ball is in your court, 2. (Sorry about using a Brit saying. No offense meant.)


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