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BS: How Many Errors?

GUEST,Dazbo 27 Jul 06 - 04:09 AM
GUEST,Dazbo 27 Jul 06 - 04:11 AM
Paul Burke 27 Jul 06 - 04:23 AM
John MacKenzie 27 Jul 06 - 04:34 AM
Dave Hanson 27 Jul 06 - 04:41 AM
Mr Happy 27 Jul 06 - 05:24 AM
Paul Burke 27 Jul 06 - 05:45 AM
John MacKenzie 27 Jul 06 - 06:41 AM
Emma B 27 Jul 06 - 06:47 AM
GUEST,Dazbo 27 Jul 06 - 07:00 AM
Purple Foxx 27 Jul 06 - 07:08 AM
GUEST,Dazbo 27 Jul 06 - 08:21 AM
Dave the Gnome 27 Jul 06 - 09:48 AM
Q (Frank Staplin) 27 Jul 06 - 10:43 AM
katlaughing 27 Jul 06 - 11:39 AM
Peace 27 Jul 06 - 11:40 AM
Bill D 27 Jul 06 - 12:31 PM
Bee-dubya-ell 27 Jul 06 - 12:51 PM
GUEST,Dazbo 28 Jul 06 - 04:31 AM
Wilfried Schaum 28 Jul 06 - 04:37 AM
Folkiedave 28 Jul 06 - 05:00 AM
Paul Burke 28 Jul 06 - 05:08 AM
GUEST,CrazyEddie 28 Jul 06 - 05:12 AM
catspaw49 28 Jul 06 - 05:24 AM
GUEST,Dazbo 28 Jul 06 - 06:24 AM
JennyO 28 Jul 06 - 06:32 AM
John MacKenzie 28 Jul 06 - 06:38 AM
gnu 28 Jul 06 - 06:38 AM
bobad 28 Jul 06 - 06:48 AM
John MacKenzie 28 Jul 06 - 06:55 AM
catspaw49 28 Jul 06 - 08:30 AM
HuwG 28 Jul 06 - 08:39 AM
Uncle_DaveO 28 Jul 06 - 10:00 AM
JennyO 28 Jul 06 - 10:13 AM
gnu 28 Jul 06 - 10:40 AM
Bill D 28 Jul 06 - 11:32 AM
Liz the Squeak 28 Jul 06 - 03:31 PM
Jim Dixon 28 Jul 06 - 04:46 PM
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Subject: BS: How Many Errors?
From: GUEST,Dazbo
Date: 27 Jul 06 - 04:09 AM

How many errors can you find in the attached?

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g224/dazbo_44/van.jpg


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Subject: RE: BS: How Many Errors?
From: GUEST,Dazbo
Date: 27 Jul 06 - 04:11 AM

Whoops!

Van 2


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Subject: RE: BS: How Many Errors?
From: Paul Burke
Date: 27 Jul 06 - 04:23 AM

He left out the astrophope in removal's!


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Subject: RE: BS: How Many Errors?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 27 Jul 06 - 04:34 AM

It gets him noticed by the pedants!
[Not that I am anti grammar and punctuation]
G.


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Subject: RE: BS: How Many Errors?
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 27 Jul 06 - 04:41 AM

Only one, opening this thread.

eric


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Subject: RE: BS: How Many Errors?
From: Mr Happy
Date: 27 Jul 06 - 05:24 AM

Wot's an 'astrophope'?


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Subject: RE: BS: How Many Errors?
From: Paul Burke
Date: 27 Jul 06 - 05:45 AM

Its pnuctaution.


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Subject: RE: BS: How Many Errors?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 27 Jul 06 - 06:41 AM

That like punct rockers?


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Subject: RE: BS: How Many Errors?
From: Emma B
Date: 27 Jul 06 - 06:47 AM

Is his name Davie BTW?


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Subject: RE: BS: How Many Errors?
From: GUEST,Dazbo
Date: 27 Jul 06 - 07:00 AM

I certainly belive there should be an 'astrophope' (and another s depending on your usage) there. The one place it needed one it's missing (I believe this omission is common practice in the US in naming places and organisations - it's creeping in over here, grrrr!!).


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Subject: RE: BS: How Many Errors?
From: Purple Foxx
Date: 27 Jul 06 - 07:08 AM

Apostrophes placed where they are not needed are known as "Greengrocer's apostrophes" due to the reputed tendency of these particular tradesmen to make this error when advertising their wares
(Potato's,Tomato's etc)


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Subject: RE: BS: How Many Errors?
From: GUEST,Dazbo
Date: 27 Jul 06 - 08:21 AM

Although to me Potato's and Tomato's are actually a correct usage as here the apostrophe is replacing the e in both words i.e. potatoes and tomatoes rather than the 's making them plural.


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Subject: RE: BS: How Many Errors?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 27 Jul 06 - 09:48 AM

Davies's, day's

D'ave the G'nome


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Subject: RE: BS: How Many Errors?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 27 Jul 06 - 10:43 AM

Removalses?


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Subject: RE: BS: How Many Errors?
From: katlaughing
Date: 27 Jul 06 - 11:39 AM

Reminds me of old Mrs. Worcester, my Latin and English teacher. She was quite strict; quoting advertising slogans as examples of incorrect grammar. I can still hear her saying "Winston tastes good AS a cigarette should, not LIKE!" Imagine a teacher using a cigarette commercial as an example nowadays! She'd be rolling over if she heard newscasters, etc. today...I often hear misuse of "as" and "like."


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Subject: RE: BS: How Many Errors?
From: Peace
Date: 27 Jul 06 - 11:40 AM

I think the paint job on the van is gauche. That shade of blue in the lettering definitely clashes with the red. The rear of the vehicle is simply TOO busy.


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Subject: RE: BS: How Many Errors?
From: Bill D
Date: 27 Jul 06 - 12:31 PM

The man's name might BE "Davies", but I doubt it. If it is, there needs to be an apostrophe AFTER Davies'.


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Subject: RE: BS: How Many Errors?
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 27 Jul 06 - 12:51 PM

The possessive case rule for names ending in "s" as it was taught to me many years ago:

What we need to realize from square one is that though possessive case and plural number are indicated in writing by the letter "s", in speech they're indicated by the sound of the letter "z". And it's the sound the letter "s" carries in a name that determines how the possesive is formed.

If the name ends in a "hard s" (sound of the letter "s") as in "Davis", the possessive is formed using an apostrophe plus "s". ("Davis's")

If the named ends in a "soft s" (sound of the letter "z") as in "Davies", the possessive is formed using an apostrophe as if it were plural. ("Davies'")

General rule: If a name sounds like a plural word, make it possessive by using the same rule as used for plurals.

Having said all that, nobody is going to shoot you for talking about Mr. Davis' cat.


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Subject: RE: BS: How Many Errors?
From: GUEST,Dazbo
Date: 28 Jul 06 - 04:31 AM

That's not the way I was taught it at Grammar School, BWL.

All singular names are 's (with some biblical exceptions for reason I could never remember)

All plurals that don't end in an s are 's.

Plurals that end in an s are '.


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Subject: RE: BS: How Many Errors?
From: Wilfried Schaum
Date: 28 Jul 06 - 04:37 AM

Oh my


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Subject: RE: BS: How Many Errors?
From: Folkiedave
Date: 28 Jul 06 - 05:00 AM

Excue me I am from South Yorkshire and that is Sheffield Town Hall in the background.

I can see nothing wrong with what he has written there - it's the way everyone punctuates around here. (or its' as we normally write)

I shall take a picture of my local favourite furniture shop which has the lovely sign:

"This weeks managers special offer" with no punctuation.

Does that make up for the van?


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Subject: RE: BS: How Many Errors?
From: Paul Burke
Date: 28 Jul 06 - 05:08 AM

Why not a tax on apostrophe's?


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Subject: RE: BS: How Many Errors?
From: GUEST,CrazyEddie
Date: 28 Jul 06 - 05:12 AM

Why not an apostrophe on taxe's?


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Subject: RE: BS: How Many Errors?
From: catspaw49
Date: 28 Jul 06 - 05:24 AM

What's the plural possessive for penis?

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: How Many Errors?
From: GUEST,Dazbo
Date: 28 Jul 06 - 06:24 AM

Well if you're lucky enough to have two then you can make your own rules up!


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Subject: RE: BS: How Many Errors?
From: JennyO
Date: 28 Jul 06 - 06:32 AM

penii's?


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Subject: RE: BS: How Many Errors?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 28 Jul 06 - 06:38 AM

Prickseses?


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Subject: RE: BS: How Many Errors?
From: gnu
Date: 28 Jul 06 - 06:38 AM

The crux of the biscuit is the apostrope. (Frank Zappa)


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Subject: RE: BS: How Many Errors?
From: bobad
Date: 28 Jul 06 - 06:48 AM

STACY BROWN GOT TWO

Have you hard about Stacy Brown?
He got every chick in town.
He got looks, he got class...
Do anything to get a little lass.
And everybody shout at him as he walks his girlies past...

    Everybody got one
    Everybody got one
    Everyboy got one
    But Stacy Brown got two.

Do you know the reason for his success?
They say that he is double blessed
They say that Stacy Brown was born
Just a little bit deformed
But still his girlfriends wake up smilin' every morn.

    Everybody got one
    Everybody got one
    Everyboy got one
    But Stacy Brown got two

Why they climbing up the wall?
Young ones run and old ones crawl.
He got two and that's a fact,
But no one knows where the other one's at.
On his elbow, on his knee, or underneath his hat?

    Everybody got one
    Everybody got one
    Everyboy got one
    But Stacy Brown got two

Shel Silverstein


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Subject: RE: BS: How Many Errors?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 28 Jul 06 - 06:55 AM

The jungles swarm with green apostrophes here
Giok


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Subject: RE: BS: How Many Errors?
From: catspaw49
Date: 28 Jul 06 - 08:30 AM

Penes'

I knew a guy had FIVE!!! His condoms fit him like a glove........

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: How Many Errors?
From: HuwG
Date: 28 Jul 06 - 08:39 AM

"Covering all South Yorkshire", with what ?


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Subject: RE: BS: How Many Errors?
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 28 Jul 06 - 10:00 AM

Actually, "Davies Removals" is a problem because we don't know what the original name is, that is, we don't know whether "Davies" is in itself a family name or whether it's intended to be a possessive.

And then, if it's, say, a family name, it may or may not take an apostrophe.

Example: Suppose there's a removal company owned by a fellow named Jones. If the intent is to show that this is the company owned by Jones rather than the other one that's owned by Davies, there are two possibilities. The preferable one is "Jones's Removals", but many will render it as "Jones' Removals".

On the other hand, the intent may not be possessive at all, and the parallel may be "Smith Removals", where "Smith" is rendered as an adjective. If that is the intent, the usage on the van would be correct.

Dave Oesterreich


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Subject: RE: BS: How Many Errors?
From: JennyO
Date: 28 Jul 06 - 10:13 AM

On the other hand, maybe they remove Davies.

So what ARE Davies?


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Subject: RE: BS: How Many Errors?
From: gnu
Date: 28 Jul 06 - 10:40 AM

But, "Jones Removals" could be a sex change surgeon's practice.


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Subject: RE: BS: How Many Errors?
From: Bill D
Date: 28 Jul 06 - 11:32 AM

someone in the UK..please call Davies and ask!~ *grin*

(I have a book on woodturning by a man in the UK - with pictures - and explanations that are very awkward to read. He seems to scatter apostrophes...and especially commas....at random. Sometimes there will be extra ones in a sentence; sometimes none where I'd expect some. It's almost as if he recorded his explanation for each picture, and then some editor tried to reproduce exactly all the pauses & inflections. The written word NEEDS more care than just casual conversation does, as we have fewer clues about meaning. I know, I know....there is not much doubt in a sign on a van, (except for the exact surname) but not punctuating accurately is still jarring for many of us.)


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Subject: RE: BS: How Many Errors?
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 28 Jul 06 - 03:31 PM

I once pointed out to Selfridges (before they went all hip and Chavvie) that they had a 'not moving' section rather than a selection of cards, writing paper and envelopes.

LTS


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Subject: RE: BS: How Many Errors?
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 28 Jul 06 - 04:46 PM

There seems to be a difference between British and American practice when making plurals out of numerals, single letters, or abbreviations.

Americans would write:
Two CD's
The 1970's
There are two 7's in 1776.
There are two L's in HELLO.
--while Britons would omit the apostrophe.

I don't know how this got started, but it is not an error and it is not meant to be possessive.

I first started thinking about this when my visiting sister-in-law (born in America but a 20-year resident of England) pointed it out thinking it was an error. Evidently she has lived in Britain so long, she forgot what standard American practice was. (Or maybe she never learned it.)

Anyway, on reflection, I decided to adopt British practice because it makes more sense, at least in my personal writing. (I don't write for publication anyway.)

I don't see anything wrong with adopting a nonstandard practice if you are doing it deliberately (as opposed to out of ignorance) in an attempt to make your own language more rational and consistent.


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