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Subject: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: frogprince
Date: 07 Jun 06 - 08:06 PM

Maybe the woman should team up with Fred Phelps


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: dianavan
Date: 07 Jun 06 - 08:15 PM

With a neck like that, she deserves to be hung.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 07 Jun 06 - 08:16 PM

Man, this thread could been WAY more interesting with a title like that!


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 07 Jun 06 - 08:19 PM

Sticking plaster is the obvious thing to try in such circumstances.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: CarolC
Date: 07 Jun 06 - 08:22 PM

She didn't scrape it. She's digging a channel. A marianas trench in the bottomless cesspit of her foul mind.

Wow... it felt good writing that.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Don Firth
Date: 07 Jun 06 - 08:47 PM

Well crimenintlies, Uncle Jack! I knew the woman had barnacles on her brain, but I didn't know she had 'em there, too.

I've sort of followed this short-skirted, long-haired blonde entity's career with the kind of fascination I might have for a killer shark—sleek and beautiful as it moves through the water like a torpedo, a dedicated killing-machine that is so horrifyingly perfect at what it does—attacking, rending, and tearing. But I truly amazed at how often she can surprise me with the level of her viciousness and brutality. No species of shark I can think, not even the dreaded Great White, can match that!

Lucrezia Borgia was actually a fairly nice woman, used as a helpless pawn by her father, Pope Alexander VI and her brother Cesare. But those who hated the Borgia family (with good reason) slandered her horribly. She was actually faithful to her husbands until they were assassinated (presumably by Cesare) so she could be married off to someone else the Borgias wanted an alliance with. When finally married to Alfonso d"Este, whom Cesare couldn't get to, she became a patron of the Arts, sponsoring many painters and musicians. But when it comes to sheer viciousness, the reputation that some less than diligent historians have unjustly saddled Lucrezia Borgia with pale by the reality of Ann Coulter.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 07 Jun 06 - 08:48 PM

You mean hanged. Hung is too good for her.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: khandu
Date: 07 Jun 06 - 09:10 PM

I agree with her.

k


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 07 Jun 06 - 09:12 PM

Who's?


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: number 6
Date: 07 Jun 06 - 09:17 PM

'scrapes bottom' ... more like slithering along the bottom.

sIx


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Don Firth
Date: 07 Jun 06 - 09:34 PM

Ann Coulter on environmentalism:
"Earth is yours. Take it. Rape it. It's yours!"

Her solution to problems in the Middle East:
"We should invade their countries, kill their leaders, and convert them to Christianity."

Said to a disabled Vietnam vet:
"People like you caused us to lose the war."

Ann Coulter has found the perfect solution to the problem of abortion and unwanted children:
She eats her young.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: GUEST,Desdemona
Date: 07 Jun 06 - 09:40 PM

Don,

So right on viz. your comparison of this hideous, morally bankrupt viper with the unjustly-maligned Lucretia Borgia; 10 minutes in a room with Ann Coulter and *Hitler* would be crouched in a corner!

Seriously, when I saw the headline: "Ann Coulter Attacks 9/11 Widows" I almost thought it was a joke...I'll have to remember to see what The Daily Show has to say about it. Then when I actually read the accompanying article, my mouth was actually hanging open: it's one thing to be a rabid, knee-jerk conservative, it's another to stoop to that kind of tasteless, below-the-belt viciousness. And whether she agrees with what these women are trying to do or not, to suggest that they have somehow "enjoyed" the deaths of their husbands is a step too far by anyone's standards. She can't have made herself any friends even amongst those who share her political outlook; as Hilary Clinton quipped, maybe her book should have been called "Heartless".

Yeesh.

~D


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: artbrooks
Date: 07 Jun 06 - 09:41 PM

My gawd...I actually agree with CarolC on something!


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: 282RA
Date: 07 Jun 06 - 09:58 PM

Remember that Coulter is a lawyer which means she doesn't give a shit what she says to anyone about anything and if you don't like it, who gives a fuck what you think anyway? She is one of those lawyers that stop at nothing--no tactic too vile or low to employ if it gets results. She is a lawyer--she takes no one seriously but herself and if you don't agree to do the same then you're worthless piece of shit who deserves to die under an 18-wheeler.

Her similarities to Fred Phelps are becoming alarmingly coincidental. Did you read that article where she talks about how important Christianity is to her and that her faith is what guides her in writing her bestseller garbage? I could have barfed. Like her god rewarded her with bestsellers or some shit. Here's how she writes bestsellers: just be as nasty and vicious as you can muster up and people will buy your book--love you or hate you, they will nevertheless buy it.

Finally, where do people get off telling me she's hot? She's a skank with a chicken neck because she can't grow old gracefully. She parades around in a leather mini to get red state males to buy her shit because that's the only reason they would buy it--they have no taste in politics or women. I think she's an ugly, anorexic, aging dog. And I think it's time the republican party put her to sleep. She's far more a liability to them than an asset, especially now that she's attacked republican, conservative 9-11 widows who refuse eat Bush's feces which she can't seem to make herself stop doing. Misery loves company and when you can't find anyone to join you, you understandably become very bitter at the whole world.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: CarolC
Date: 07 Jun 06 - 09:59 PM

We agree on more than you realize, artbrooks.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Rapparee
Date: 07 Jun 06 - 10:09 PM

There comes a time when incivility and foulness coincide. She has long ago reached that point. There are those who dislike Jane Fonda, but what she said and did years ago is nothing compared to Ann Coulter and Fred Phelps.

Strange...those who "spit on the troops" in the Sixties now support them, and those who supported them in the Sixties now do far, far worse.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Rapparee
Date: 07 Jun 06 - 10:10 PM

The more I think on it, the more convinced I am that she's just another media whore.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Little Hawk
Date: 07 Jun 06 - 10:13 PM

My reaction to the thread title was much the same as yours, Clinton...but the really funny thing is, I also thought of YOU the instant I read it! You and Ann Coulter. Together. Her scraping...

(God's truth! I did. I'm not making it up...) Heh!


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: GUEST,bflat
Date: 07 Jun 06 - 10:22 PM

She is an outrage. She is so mean spirited. But sadly, all the discussion will likely increase her book sales. I say hit her with your pocketbook and stay the heck away from whatever she pedels. I certainly will.

Ellen


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Little Hawk
Date: 07 Jun 06 - 10:28 PM

Hey, brother...the people who would normally avoid Ann Coulter's books anyway like they were infected with bubonic plague don't really need to be encouraged by you not to buy her stuff! LOL!

I look at her books with a sort of fascinated horror every now and then when I'm at Chapters. Like I would look at an angry scorpion. I wouldn't buy one even to win a bet.

But I think this would be really neat: Only 2 survivors from a shipwreck claw their way ashore on a tiny little desert island and are faced with spending the rest of their days there....together...alone.

Who are they?

Ann Coulter...







and....









Michael Moore!!!


Think about it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Rapparee
Date: 07 Jun 06 - 10:29 PM

I am going to recommend that my Library not purchase her book...or books. And this state is blood red Republican, too.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Little Hawk
Date: 07 Jun 06 - 10:34 PM

Now, Rapaire...banning books is not a good idea. It's undemocratic in the extreme. Better to let scoundrels and knaves reveal themselves for what they are by allowing their words to be read, I say.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Amos
Date: 07 Jun 06 - 10:45 PM

Hey -- not buying a book doesn't amount to banning it. It's a free world, and if someone wants to read shit they can buy it in plenty of places in Pocatello. I am sure rapire doesn't spend library funds on porn, either.

The ravings a madwoman may sell, but that doesn't make them coherent or invest them with any human thought.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Little Hawk
Date: 07 Jun 06 - 10:48 PM

A library not buying a particular book because various people don't like it DOES amount to banning it (by that library).

How would you feel if they did that to a book you happen to approve of?


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: 282RA
Date: 07 Jun 06 - 10:50 PM

Little Hawk is right. Don't make Coulter a martyr by suppressing her book. No one should buy it, but it should be available in the library so that people can read it, quote from it etc. for whatever reasons they may have. Coulter is one of those tragic figures that eventually hangs herself once she's snatched herself enough rope. Let history judge by her own ignorant words but certainly not as a martyr.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: harpmolly
Date: 07 Jun 06 - 10:50 PM

Little Hawk! ROFL!!!!

But we must have Rush or Dr. Laura there too. Hmmm, who to balance the scales?    Maybe George Carlin?

What about putting Jon Stewart in the ring too, with the caveat that only he knows where the food and water are. ;)

Molly


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Little Hawk
Date: 07 Jun 06 - 10:55 PM

What a lovely scenario!


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Anonny Mouse
Date: 07 Jun 06 - 11:13 PM

Ever listen to her radio drivel?? Really snide, self-centered mean spirited dreck. I too thought the "headline" on one of my browsers was making some kind of sick joke.

At least a handful of the 9/11 "whining widows" have made statements to the press and media outlets countering her pure crap. I couldn't believe how she behaved with Matt Lauer. Just when did God step down and hand the job over to her? We're not wooooooooooooooorrrrrrrrttthhy.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Amos
Date: 07 Jun 06 - 11:30 PM

A library only has so much money. They have to choose < 100 out of every 10,000 books published. They usually pass on titles like "Mink On Turf -- Jenny Does the Home Team" and "Why God Wants Us to Burn Arabia". In other words they have to choose titles which best support their mission. This discretion is left to the Director and his staff. The other 9,900 which they DON't buy are not in any wise "banned" by the library and to collapse the two ideas is absurd. If I wrote a book, and a library board or executive saw fit to buy a copy, I would be honored; if they did not, I would get over it quite soon.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Alba
Date: 07 Jun 06 - 11:32 PM

Coulter is a NOTHING
Trades Morals and decency for the Almighty...............Dollar.
The Rage that inhabits that distorted body is way to large for the Vessel in which it resides.
This excuse for a Woman wouldn't know Spiritual, Family, Conservative, Liberal or Human Values if any of them bit her on her sad ass. (if she had enough skin on her ass that is to be able to grab a bite out of)
The very best thing that this waste of oxygen could do for this Country and the 'Republican Party' is #1. Eat something ( this may improve her mood) and #2. Have no more plastic work done... (her top lip has stopped moving lately which is a sign that says...enough)... unless of course the next session with her plastic surgeon involves the sewing up of her Mouth and the removal of her fingers leaving her unable to speak or type another Hate Rag but perhaps the most inportant of all is #3. Just say NO to Crack AC. (I really do wonder if some mind altering substance is the cause of her distorted views!)
This time this eegit has gone below and beyond shock tactics for attention.
Her latest outburst of verbal diarrhea that has exploded from that foul Mouth is ... Raw Sewage.
AC is a hate filled, raging , so far right she has fallen off the table, NUTTER... a person in need of medical attention.
Anyway enough already with the Compliments.

As a Glasgow Biker Pal of mine would say if he read the latest AC insight "Yi jist widnae get tired kicking that arsehole up and doon the road awe night wi a pair a steel toe cap Boots oon wid yi?" (the remark is tongue and cheek and is only meant to verbally illustrate the contempt felt for certain socially challenged people)

Alba


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: number 6
Date: 07 Jun 06 - 11:33 PM

Amos ... "Why God Wants Us to Burn Arabia" ... is this some kind of sick joke you made for a fill in on titles?

sIx


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: GUEST,Quinby
Date: 07 Jun 06 - 11:35 PM

"hate filled, raging" You or Her?


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Anonny Mouse
Date: 07 Jun 06 - 11:39 PM

If ya wanna see the harpy in action, follow the replay on "YouTube."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjLaoz-nR6c&feature=Views&page=1&t=t&f=b


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: 282RA
Date: 07 Jun 06 - 11:54 PM

I'm not talking about what a library chooses of their own free will to stock. If every library in the country freely decided the book was trash unworthy of shelf space, I would agree with them and that would be that. Same with a publisher. If nobody wants to publish the book, that's one thing; but if someone does but is afraid of threats or acts of violence, that's essentially banning that book. I'm talking about when a library won't stock that book or any particular book because of threats and intimidation.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Alba
Date: 08 Jun 06 - 12:03 AM

You figure that one out Guest: Quinby.
This Thread is about Her after all.
Me. Hate her? No. Does AC disgust me? Do I despise AC? Absolutely~ but Hate AC? No....too much energy involved in that emotion. Hate requires high maintenance and has to be fed and grown and supported and I would rather use that energy for better things.

Rage is something I would imagine the Wives and Husbands of the Men and Women that burned to death on 9/11 are feeling. I cannot imagine how much pain AC has caused the Widows and Widowers by her Hate filled, Raging remarks.

How about You Guest Quinby,"hate filled, raging" You or Her?
Or do you agree with AC?


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Peace
Date: 08 Jun 06 - 12:08 AM

Coulter has stupid eyes.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: CarolC
Date: 08 Jun 06 - 12:24 AM

Rapair doesn't have to make threats or intimidate anyone about not carrying Coulter's book. He's the director of his library.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: CarolC
Date: 08 Jun 06 - 12:25 AM

Oops.

*Rapaire*


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Seamus Kennedy
Date: 08 Jun 06 - 01:04 AM

Folks, she's not raving mad, hate-filled or stupid.

She's coldly, calculatingly, mercenary.

Like others of her ilk, if she could generate the same publicity/reaction (and consequently money) rabidly supporting Liberals, she would.

In a heartbeat.


Seamus


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Ebbie
Date: 08 Jun 06 - 01:06 AM

I've seen AC only once- maybe five years ago she was a guest on Jay Leno's show, I think it was. Until then I didn't know what she looked like.

She came onto the set wearing a short mini skirt and looked and acted like a 45-year-old who thought she could still carry off the stuff of 20 years before. Frankly, more than anything else, she reminded me of a callgirl who'd gotten too old for the business. (Not that there's anything wrong with that. *G*)

She said that she was so frequently unfairly attacked that she was only striking back. This time however she has gone WAY beyond what any decent or sane person could even think, much less say. This is one hard nose.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: alanabit
Date: 08 Jun 06 - 03:27 AM

Why give all this attention to a yob, just because she has a book in print?


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Amos
Date: 08 Jun 06 - 11:33 AM

Well, it's kinda like Martin Gibson, if you see what I mean...


A


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: GUEST,Marty
Date: 08 Jun 06 - 11:59 AM

Why don't you let your camel toe show? Damn, that thing is hanging so low. I bet it leaves tracks when you walk through the snow.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Rapparee
Date: 08 Jun 06 - 12:11 PM

Turns out we haven't bought anything of hers in the last two years. I do like the 2002 title: Slander.

Actually, in politics and religion we don't buy screaming from any side or from any one. It has to have SOME authenticity behind it, not just opinion.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Don Firth
Date: 08 Jun 06 - 01:49 PM

I just watched Ann Coulter on the link that A. Mouse posted. Other than that, I've seen Ann Coulter on the tube only once, in a similar news interview. The interviewer asked her at one point if she had actually said, "We should invade their countries, kill their leaders, and convert them to Christianity." She answered, "Of course, I said that! That would solve our problems with the Middle East, wouldn't it? Well—wouldn't it!??" For a moment, I was afraid that she was going to bite the interviewer's head off and suck out all his bodily juices.

I'm a mild-mannered soul most of the time, and opposed to violence except in the most extreme of circumstances, but she's the only person I can recall seeing on television whose manner was so arrogant and offensive that I had a powerful urge to to reach through the television screen and strangle her with my bare hands!

Do I hate her? No, she's not worth it. I regard her the same way I would regard any other extremely dangerous animal.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Wesley S
Date: 08 Jun 06 - 01:53 PM

In the long run she's getting exactly what she wants - money and attention.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: GUEST,Marty
Date: 08 Jun 06 - 01:56 PM

She can suck out my bodily juices but I hope she don't bite the head off.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Mooh
Date: 08 Jun 06 - 02:05 PM

I take some satisfaction in knowing she (and her kind...) would likely hate me if she knew me. How different we can be and live in friendly neighbouring nations!

Frankly, I think she's sick, very sick.

Peace, Mooh.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: katlaughing
Date: 08 Jun 06 - 02:09 PM

Exactly, alanabit, if the newspapers, etc. would not give her the time of day, she would deflate. There are so many GOOD books which never get press because of the sensationalism something like this trash generates. The media and publishers who pander to this are pimps and she is a whore of the extreme Christian Nationalists.

kat


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Little Hawk
Date: 08 Jun 06 - 03:03 PM

Amos, you are like a dog with a bone...you just won't stop chewing on it.

And then we have Teribus on the other side of the grand political divide, and he has the exact same OCD problem, only he's conservative.

So, go fight it out with each other, I say. I don't really care that much at this point. If it's Rapaire's library and he's in charge, then it's obviously entirely up to him which books he chooses to bring into it... ;-)

Me, if it was my library, I would bring in every book about Bob Dylan I could get hold of and I would not bother at all about Ann Coulter. She's a sick joke that could only prosper in the USA of today. No other place is politically deluded enough to take her seriously.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 08 Jun 06 - 03:15 PM

"if the newspapers, etc. would not give her the time of day, she would deflate. There are so many GOOD books which never get press because of the sensationalism something like this trash generates. The media and publishers who pander to this are pimps and she is a whore of the extreme Christian Nationalists."

Sorry Kat, don't blame the media.   People want to read this crap and they buy the papers that spews her venom. If people weren't reading her, she would go away. You may call it pandering, but it is deeper than that.

It is easy to say that newspapers should print someone else, but I do not believe in blacklisting. The problem is not Ann Coulter but the mental midgets that buy into her spew.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Rapparee
Date: 08 Jun 06 - 03:27 PM

I've checked with my selectors. They don't feel that her books have enough "weight" to justify spending the money on them. One said, "We can get all the venom we want, but what I want is balance."


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Peace
Date: 08 Jun 06 - 03:31 PM

"When we were fighting communism, OK, they had mass murderers and gulags, but they were white men and they were sane. Now we're up against absolutely insane savages."

(http://news.independent.co.uk/low_res/story.jsp?story=551959&host=3&dir=81), 16 August, 2004

The kind of gal ya wanna take home to the dobermans.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Willie-O
Date: 08 Jun 06 - 03:37 PM

I spent a good four minutes of my life watching that video clip, and I'll never get them back...what a cheap vicious bitch. And with the chutzpah to claim that SHE's a victim, cause she can't "respond" to comments made by widows. Sure, whatever. I feel bad for you.

Incidentally, LH, I have actually heard that Coulter and Michael Moore are (were?) sort of friendly sparring partners...doesn't say much for his taste does it?

W-O


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Peace
Date: 08 Jun 06 - 03:39 PM

Below are the clever things she's said:


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From: Peace
Date: 08 Jun 06 - 03:40 PM


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From: Bill D
Date: 08 Jun 06 - 03:40 PM

I hadn't seen much of Sweet Annie for the last couple of years, then she was on TV yesterday...and I believe she'll be on again tonight. Like Seamus says, there's a calculating streak in her madness....after all, even Nazi literature makes some money.

(and like Ebbie notes, she tends toward slit skirts and imagines herself God's gift to men....I visualize her in her off hours with dark make-up and leather outfits, with whips and bindings, making atheists cringe before an altar of a vengeful God...and selling them her books as they leave!)

Compare her to anyone? Well, I once heard George Lincoln Rockwell in person...that as close as I can come. Even conservatives like Joe Scarborough were gulping at her latest tirades.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Peace
Date: 08 Jun 06 - 03:44 PM

Does anyone know if she's anorexic?


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 08 Jun 06 - 03:50 PM

Believe it or not, she was (and perhaps still is) a Dead Head. I think she tried the purple acid.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Don Firth
Date: 08 Jun 06 - 03:52 PM

I have a hard time believing that there are very many people who take her all that seriously. When I think of conservatives such as William F. Buckley, I'd think that they'd find a person like Ann Coulter to be a horrible embarrassment. Of course, if someone does take her seriously, that says a lot about them.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Little Hawk
Date: 08 Jun 06 - 03:52 PM

The funny thing is, Willie-O, I sorta had a feeling they might make friendly sparring partners when I made that joke about the island. ;-) They are both willing to engage in extremely exaggerated hyperbole, after all, in their efforts to push their chosen political points of view, so why not?


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Bill D
Date: 08 Jun 06 - 03:58 PM

There's an old line which I paraphrase: "No matter what your politics, religion or ethnic preference, there's always someone on your side whom you would much rather have on the other side."

I think most conservatives feel that way about Coulter....


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Little Hawk
Date: 08 Jun 06 - 04:04 PM

I think Hillary Clinton would kick her ass in a steel cage match, and I would be willing to promote such an event if it could be arranged.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Ebbie
Date: 08 Jun 06 - 04:09 PM

Last night David Letterman said, Well, she's blonde and single- maybe someone can set her up with OJ.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Don Firth
Date: 08 Jun 06 - 04:22 PM

I'm not sure what it would take in her case:   a pistol loaded with silver bullets or a heavy mallet and a sharp wooden stake.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: katlaughing
Date: 08 Jun 06 - 04:47 PM

Sorry, Ron, I don't agree. The idjits who buy her books probably wouldn't even know about them if the press didn't make them aware. It's not a matter of telling the media what they can and cannot print. They don't print something about every book which comes out. They have the choice of which ones to cover; they could make more informed choices, imo. They are giving her free publicity and it is to their detriment, imo.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 08 Jun 06 - 04:55 PM

Sorry Kat, I can't agree with what you advocating. While the media does not review everything, to choose to avoid a public figure and a controversial story is blacklisting pure and simple.    The media is accused of being biased already and to stop printing stories about someone that a lot of people follows would clearly be a case of the media trying to set public opinion. It is one thing for a magazine or newspaper with a stated political slant to editorialize, but to suggest that the media avoid commenting on Ann Coulter is one step closer to book burning.

We can't separate ourselves from the people and ideas that we detest by adopting the same methods ourselves.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: GUEST,Desdemona
Date: 08 Jun 06 - 05:00 PM

I watched that clip as well, and I for one was waiting for Matt Lauer to follow up his query re: "so you're not allowed to speak 'just' because you've lost your husband?" with something like, "but of course, you don't HAVE a husband; and how very surprising that is!"

BLAH--can you imagine? That creature looks like she could remove a man's testicles during an introductory handshake and he wouldn't even notice they were gone before it was too late!

My personal theory is that it's having that shrivelled, chicken neck that's made her so twisted and bitter; I agree with the post above that she should do everyone a favour and just eat something (other than her usual diet of live human infants, that is)!

{{shudder}}

~D


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: katlaughing
Date: 08 Jun 06 - 06:29 PM

I guess we will have to agree to disagree, Ron. I am NOT advocating any such thing as blacklisting and I think you know me well enough from my postings over the years to know that.

I am objecting to the inordinate amount of media attention something like her book attracts. There is SO much NEWS we never hear about. The news media ARE biased, which by your standards, it seems, means they are already practising blacklisting. I'd like to see it become much more fair and balanced, not likely to happen, and the fringe element like Coulter, be left to promote themselves without a 3 ring media circus' help.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Little Hawk
Date: 08 Jun 06 - 06:33 PM

Dead on, Kat. For instance, how often do you hear about my dachshund on CNN? He is far more dangerous to world peace and societal harmony than Ann Coulter, and it never gets reported at all! That just goes to show how much we can depend on the modern news media to alert the public as to what is really going on.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: 282RA
Date: 08 Jun 06 - 07:19 PM

>>Last night David Letterman said, Well, she's blonde and single- maybe someone can set her up with OJ.<<

What did OJ do to deserve that?


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: 282RA
Date: 08 Jun 06 - 07:30 PM

Look at the bright side, folks. She's on THEIR side!!! I am truly, truly, truly thankful for that.

As long as she stays on their side, she can run her mouth all she wants. Doesn't bother me a bit. Every time she opens her mouth or puts pen to paper, so to speak, she weakens the nation's conservative base. An organism can develop all kinds of defenses from outside threats but the cancer that rots it from within it is helpless to battle against. Ann Coulter is a gangrenous carcinoma on the conservative body politic.

Why doesn't that idiot Toby Keith rage against her instead of Natalie Maines?


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Amos
Date: 08 Jun 06 - 07:40 PM

Little Hawk:

Unlike you, I have never offered my bone to a dog, so I will just take your word for it.

I have no idea what you are talking about in this case, but I am quite content not to.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 08 Jun 06 - 08:07 PM

Kat, I did not mean to say that you were ADVOCATING blacklisting, but I was trying to say that your suggestion that the media ignore her is a subtle form of blacklisting. When we try to influence the media by telling them what they can and can't air, we end up doing the same thing that all the bookburners and people who don't want to see Catcher in their library try to accomplish. Why should any of us have the power to tell the media what to do?   Almost too quietly, the FCC was handed the power to increase fines tenfold. I don't think anyone realizes how dangerous this can be. While I know you did not mean it, I truly feel that your suggestion leads us in a dangerous direction.

I guess we will have to disagree.

Actually, the only way to truly influence the media is by action. Ann Coulter sells. People buy her crap. The media picks up on it. IF people stopped reading her swill, the media would drop her like yesterdays sushi.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Little Hawk
Date: 08 Jun 06 - 09:45 PM

Don't get all lofty and snide on me, Amos, or I will come down to California and seek you out and camp outside your door night and day and play Gypsy deguellos under the crescent moon until you turn into a slavering idiot and some merciful soul flushes you down the privy to end your pain.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: jaze
Date: 08 Jun 06 - 10:02 PM

Everyone should call Fox and demand she be taken off the air.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: jaze
Date: 08 Jun 06 - 10:05 PM

And Carol C, that Marianas Trench thing was great. Guest Marty,you're about the only person alive I think she deserves.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Rapparee
Date: 08 Jun 06 - 10:16 PM

She does nothing to advance true conservatism. For that matter, she does nothing to advance anything except Ann Coulter.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: 282RA
Date: 08 Jun 06 - 10:24 PM

Unless you're a conservative, why would you want Coulter off the air? Flush out that big mouth, woman! You go, girl! You paint a little square mustache on America's conservative movement, slip a swastika armband on it and let it goose-step around with its right arm stiffly raised at a 45-degree angle! Let's see how long Americans appreciate seeing their downhome traditional mom&apple pie conservative principles portrayed that way before they decide you need to shut up.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Bill D
Date: 08 Jun 06 - 10:29 PM

she was on again this evening, talking to Lou Dobbs, who soothed, stroked, and tried to pry a bit of reflection out of her. She seems to be hung up on the concept that "conservatives have a much harder time being heard"...

This sort of reasoning...."Michael Moore can speak on any college campus he wants, I have to have a bodyguard if they will have me at all...

.."the 'liberal media' pick on conservatives...me especially"

Lou Dobbs reasoned that HE gets labeled and criticized for his stances against illegal immigration and outsourcing of jobs, but she simply wouldn't hear the logic that the extremity of her position leads to the difficulty of being heard....then she uses the difficulty of being heard as further proof of bias & discrimination against conservative causes.

No one can pin her down as to what these 9-11 widows are SUPPOSED to say when they disagree with the political status. In her mind, if they say anything, they are cheating by using their notoriety to unfairly influence opinion, but then she uses HER notoriety as a loud, mouthy, harridan (*grin*) to influence opinion ...and sell books!

It boils down to "extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice... also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue!".....now where have I heard that before" ...Barry someone...about 1964, I think.

The woman is both paranoid AND imbued with righteous fervor fueled by religion, imagined 'bias' and her own problems with self esteem....(didja notice the short, slit skirts and long hair help deflect attention from, old acne scars?)

Too bad her system of being the loudest, nastiness twit on the block is working...


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Amos
Date: 09 Jun 06 - 12:31 AM

LIttle Hawk:

Who are you and what have you done with Little Hawk?


A


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Bill D
Date: 09 Jun 06 - 10:23 AM

last night on David Letterman he said, (paraphrasing)"hey, al-Zarqawi, the most hated nasty person alive was killed today in Iraq.........so, I guess that moves Ann Coulter into the #1 spot."

no follow up, no embrodiery...just a passing remark. Mercy, she is a popular one, huh?


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Ebbie
Date: 09 Jun 06 - 10:27 AM

Last night David Letterman said, Well, she's blonde and single- "maybe someone can set her up with OJ.<<

What did OJ do to deserve that? "

I thnk the implication was that with OJ Simpson she wouldn't last long.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: CarolC
Date: 09 Jun 06 - 10:51 AM

Thanks, jaze!


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Jun 06 - 11:58 AM

Compared to Congress Murtha say US troops are worse than the Nazis were................If one doesn't care for the views of another, ignore them. Is that not easy for an unrelated person?


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Jun 06 - 12:09 PM

....and I think I am still a Repub, however, I don't need to listen to her nor talk about her.

Wesley S. is correct - she is getting attention - and this thread is doing exactly that for her. If you want something to leave your side, ignore it.

Most are media whores including the DC folks that appear on the Sunday talk shows. I DO NOT watch, I only see the show previews in the newspaper. Some appear on more than one Sunday show.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 Jun 06 - 12:17 PM

I'm fine, Amos. This is me. ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Don Firth
Date: 09 Jun 06 - 12:27 PM

". . . and this thread is doing exactly that for her."

GUEST, I don't think this thread is doing much to advance the popularity of Ann Coulter. What this thread amounts to is this:   if you spot a venomous snake slithering around your neighborhood, it's a a good idea to let your neighbors know about it. I can't imagine any person with half a brain paying much attention to her snarling and raging. Rush Limbaugh probably thinks she's pretty cool, but they're two of a kind.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 Jun 06 - 12:29 PM

Even Martin Gibson detests Ann Coulter...but the woman has a genius for attracting attention, and for being outrageous, and that translates into big book sales. Think of her as the Howard Stern of the conservative movement. ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Scoville
Date: 09 Jun 06 - 01:00 PM

"What this thread amounts to is this:   if you spot a venomous snake slithering around your neighborhood, it's a a good idea to let your neighbors know about it."

Most people I know would chop the head off with a shovel. (I was going to say, "Now, there's a thought," but I'm trying to be less judgmental).


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Jun 06 - 01:16 PM

Ever notice that these outrageous, attention grabbing statements come from people coming out with a book?


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Jun 06 - 01:24 PM

But, after cutting the head off, does one go on and on talking about it? Poor analogy.

And, there are a bunch of people talking about "her snarling and raging"

I see no comment on Congress Murtha - never mind, I forgot, he is a Liberal and thus exempt here.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Scoville
Date: 09 Jun 06 - 01:51 PM

Well, actually--you usually end up getting everyone else's rehashed snake stories, so . . . yeah. Although I know that's not what you meant.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Rapparee
Date: 09 Jun 06 - 01:53 PM

Murtha isn't the topic of this thread. Start another if you want to discuss him.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Alba
Date: 09 Jun 06 - 02:38 PM

Personally I will ignore AC's venom when the GOP issue a statement detaching themselves from her remarks targeting the 9/11 Widows and her recent vile rants.
Until then I hope AC shouts louder and louder and draws more and more attention to herself because by doing so she is helping to shine a very bright spotlight on the GOP and Administration she so viciously supports and defends.
I wouldn't want her NOT to get attention. The more attention she gets the better.
The GOP and Conservatives can pretend to ignore her but they own her...and by saying NOTHING about her current headline grabber Hate rag and her Prime Time TV Rants many Americans will be of the opinion that she has the full support of the Republican Party behind her remarks.
Rant on Coulter. Your mouth is a Political WMD.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: catspaw49
Date: 09 Jun 06 - 02:47 PM

Just out of curiosity........Where did anyone ever get the idea this woman is pretty or sexy? She's a scrawny blonde with boney legs, ugly knees, big feet, small tits, a long horsey face, with a wardrobe and make-up from "Whores-R-Us."

Did anyone see the video of the two guys trying to hit her with the cream pies? Classic. They miss but her reactions in dodging and running off reminded me of the little bratty girls in grade school and it showed off the bad bod and bigass feet to their worst advantage.

Really, if the book is a bust and the conservatives throw her out, she has a future as a two dollar whore.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Rapparee
Date: 09 Jun 06 - 02:47 PM

"You want to be careful not to become just a blowhard," [Ann Coulter] said in The Washington Post on October 16, 1998.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Anonny Mouse
Date: 09 Jun 06 - 02:55 PM

Maybe she's lucky Al Zarqawi grabbed all the medias' attention yesterday. I've seen her a coupla times on "Real Time with Bill Maher." They usually mix it up pretty good, but Bill has called her a "friend." Wonder if he still feels the same way?


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 09 Jun 06 - 02:57 PM

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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Don Firth
Date: 09 Jun 06 - 02:59 PM

Ann Coulter with her mouth open as usual--and a suddenly a pie in the face!!

God, I love that image!!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Wesley S
Date: 09 Jun 06 - 04:06 PM

Ann Coulter is laughing all the way to the bank.

I noticed that the "chat" section of her website was closed down yesterday. I wonder why. Perhaps that's a chat site where the "fellow anonymous posters" are even busier than Joe and the clones. It's up and running now but you have to be a member to post. It's just not worth it to join. I'd just be edited.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Rapparee
Date: 09 Jun 06 - 04:50 PM

"Joe and the Clones". What a name for a group!


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Wesley S
Date: 09 Jun 06 - 05:19 PM

"Hi - We're Joe and the Clones and we'll be here through Sunday. Don't forget to tip your bartenders and waitresses"

Yup - it has a nice ring to it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Jun 06 - 06:34 PM

Rapaire, I had mentioned Murtha earlier (11:58 AM) - just a comparison or is this not allowed. This joint picks on so-called Conservatives with ease but can't stand it when a foul mouth Liberal is mentioned.

Oh well, no one ever said this was a fair and balanced place.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: artbrooks
Date: 09 Jun 06 - 07:17 PM

Liberal? Murtha? Much more of a centrist.

Democratsforlife.org, a pro-life group, gives him an all-star rating and his reviews from peacemajority.org and PublicCitizen.org are pretty mixed (slightly less than 50% "for" the positions they advocate). He is anti-Iraq War and for a strong military.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 Jun 06 - 07:50 PM

Howard Stern is an extremely foul-mouthed liberal, and he positively delights in being more foul-mouthed and offensive than anyone else.

We've had a number of amusing discussions about him.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: DougR
Date: 09 Jun 06 - 08:38 PM

My advice to you, frogprince, is don't buy her book.

DougR


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: frogprince
Date: 09 Jun 06 - 08:54 PM

Gee, thanks, Doug; I never would have thought of that if you hadn't suggested it!


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: GUEST,Blind DRunk in Blind River
Date: 09 Jun 06 - 09:25 PM

I guess I would flip her if it was a slow day. Yeah, I would. I am not that perticyular. But she would have to keep her flippin' mouth shut while I was on the job, if ya know what I mean. Or I would quit and leave halfway thru, eh? Enuff is flippin' EEE-NUFF!

Anyway, she ain't half as cool as Don Cherry even if she does hate forriners and their weird flippin' dumbass relgions. Not even close, eh? Don Cherry flippin' RULES! And so does his dog.

- Shane


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Peace
Date: 09 Jun 06 - 09:34 PM

Jaysus. How drunk ARE you?


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: LadyJean
Date: 10 Jun 06 - 12:28 AM

I think La Coulter may have shot herself in the foot this time. Our Amercian libel laws (God bless them and keep them forever!) tend to be weighted more towards the right to free speech than protecting someone's reputation. This being said: I think the ladies of East Brunswick have a good case if they want to sue Gentle Annie.
Her comments concerning their marriages and their characters are libelous, no question. I'm sure the good ladies could find themselves a good lawyer. I'm sure they're getting offers now. Coulter's only defense would be that the women are public figures. American libel laws offer less protection to people considered public figures ie. politicians, celebrities, television personalities.
Of course a public figure CAN sue for libel and win. Carol Burnett did.
So, Third Reich Barbie may find herself in court.
Meanwhile, if you want to have some fun, get a friend and head out to one of the big chain bookstores. Pick out a collection of books, anything but Coulter's, the pricier the better, bring them to the check out, but, just as you're about to be rung up, your friend comes up and says, "They have Anne Coulter's terrible book here." Then you say, "Oh No! If they're selling that piece of trash, I can't shop here!" and leave the books at the counter.
Gay activists did something similar back when Anita Bryant, the queen of Homophobia, was pushing Florida Orange juice.
Speaking of Juice, I don't think poor old O.J. would stand a chance against Ms. Coulter.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: dianavan
Date: 10 Jun 06 - 12:30 AM

Is this who you're talking about?

http://www.allhatnocattle.net/ann%20coulter%20scary1.jpg


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: frogprince
Date: 10 Jun 06 - 10:15 AM

OHMYGOD, Dianavan, thanks, that is beautiful!


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Alice
Date: 10 Jun 06 - 10:25 AM

ooooo.. that is a SCARY picture. Pretty accurate to what she projects, though.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Bill D
Date: 10 Jun 06 - 10:26 AM

Jay Leno---"Frankly, I liked Ann Coulter better when she was fighting Sigourney Weaver in those early films."

It sorta goes with that pic noted by Dianavan.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Jun 06 - 11:06 AM

Have you ever wonder what some of the females that post here look like?

While I don't desire to go out to dinner wth Ms. Coulter, I am willing to bet...........forget it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: GUEST,A Woman
Date: 10 Jun 06 - 12:23 PM

...Ill finish your sentence shall I Guest: 11.06am.
Your willing to bet that most of the unattached Women and Women with Partners on the Mudcat are, like Myself, beautiful, real and untouched by a plastic surgeon's Knife and....all of us have a Heart and an intelligence that we use in ways other than to attack, hurt and belittle 9/11 Widows and other members of Society in order to pad our Bank Accounts and draw attention, any kind of attention it would seem, towards ourselves. I assume I am right in this Guest, yes?

It requires little to no imagination when one is bright enough to know that it pays to go beyond the superficial aspects of both Men and Women's aesthetic qualities to know what a person truly "looks" like. It does however require that one be slightly more than shallow to be able to do so.

In Coulter's case, I fear she is a Female Dorian Gray. The shallow among the population however cannot see beyond the bait, even if that bait has undergone several rebuilds! One can wrap a Dog turd in a piece of rare Silk but the fact remains that once one opens the Silk to see what is inside...one find a Dog Turd . This may Leave some to wonder what lies hidden beneath Coulter's bait.

I rarely dine alone and if I do, I do so by choice.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: jaze
Date: 10 Jun 06 - 01:32 PM

Gotta love ya, Spaw. You always hit the nail on the head.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: DougR
Date: 10 Jun 06 - 02:06 PM

Ann Coulter is a bit over the top sometimes I agree. However, she does have a point and that is, The wives of men killed on 9/11 and Cindy Sheehan have preached their venom against George Bush and his administration non-stop. If one vocally disagrees with their point of view, one is described as insensetive because the wives (and Sheehan) lost loved ones either at one of the towers in NYC or on the battlefields of Iraq. One has nothing to do with the other. One can sympathize with those who lost loved ones and still disagree with with their point of view. It's called Freedome of Speech in the U. S. A.

DougR


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Don Firth
Date: 10 Jun 06 - 02:18 PM

It could also be called libel and slander, as noted above.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Little Hawk
Date: 10 Jun 06 - 02:42 PM

It's all open to interpretation. Those who oppose any war effort are always slandered and called "traitors" by some of those who support that war effort. It's strictly a matter of opinion, depending on whether you approve of the war or not.

This was true in Nazi Germany, it was true in Great Britain, true in France, true in Japan and China, and it's true in the USA at present. It always happens when there's a war.

All those people who oppose various wars may or may not be seen as traitors by someone else...but they are not traitors to the one thing that counts for them: their own conscience!

And that is as true of Ann Coulter as it is of the 911 widows. They're both doing exactly what they think is the right thing to do, both logically and morally speaking, as they see it.

I find Ann Coulter totally distasteful, partly because of her generally vicious manner, partly because I disagree with her general view of things, but I recognize that like the 911 widows she is doing exactly what she thinks is the right thing to do, the thing that will improve society, the thing that will defend freedom....blah, blah, blah! The usual stuff. Just like everyone else. ;-)

So, I'm not going to ruin my day by being in a righteous rage about her all the time...just because she and I happen to disagree. I think she's mistaken. She would think I'm mistaken. And the world will keep turning regardless, and presently we'll both be dead.

In the meantime, it would be nice to enjoy life a little regardless of what Ann Coulter thinks, wouldn't it?


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Peace
Date: 10 Jun 06 - 02:57 PM

Lois Gibbs

Emma Must

Ken Saro-Wiwa

It's a damned good thing for the rest of us that people DO fight for what they believe in.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Ebbie
Date: 10 Jun 06 - 02:58 PM

A "little over the top"- that kind of statement in attempted defense of an indefensible action, notably those of Limbaugh, Coulter and Bush, is the reaction that makes me despair of the honesty of the right wing.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Big Mick
Date: 10 Jun 06 - 02:58 PM

Well then, Doug, I am sure you find it OK for the protesters outside the funerals of the dead soldiers? These families may have a different point of view, but they shouldn't begrudge these protesters their point of view, eh? I mean, they can grieve, but they shouldn't speak out because to do so means the protesters wouldn't be able to answer, right?


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: DougR
Date: 10 Jun 06 - 03:01 PM

No Mick, I oppose allowing protests at the funerals of our fallen heros. I really think you are comparing apples with oranges, though my friend.

DougR


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Big Mick
Date: 10 Jun 06 - 03:05 PM

How is that, Doug? Coulter says that these "broads" shouldn't be allowed to have a point of view and express it because they are basically untouchable. How is that different? And if these soldiers are heroes (I agree, but not from an idealistic standpoint btw) how then are the fallen firefighters any less a hero? And how dare Coulter deny them their ability to speak their mind? It seems that if one isn't a hard right conservative, then there is something wrong with them having a point of view contrary to the right's.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Jun 06 - 03:09 PM

Guest, A Woman - I am not a fan of Coulter - Her choice of words disturbs me but when you really think about, they are not any different that some uttered by Ms. Sheehan. I don't care who has had the 'knife' or why anyone looks like. My point was some cannot one disagree with a person's philosphy without getting personal, i.e., denigrating the physical appearance. What does that have to do with it?


You did not finish my sentence as I was not thinking your way. You did prove my point when you said something to the effect about being intelligent to go beyond the superficial aspects. Some on here apparently are unable to do that.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Ebbie
Date: 10 Jun 06 - 03:11 PM

It amazes me that anyone should feel that they have the ability - not to say right to dictate how a bereaved survivor should feel and/or act. And when the loved one is lost because of policies that cannot be coherently defended, I think any untouched onlooker/patriot(?) should butt out.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Little Hawk
Date: 10 Jun 06 - 03:40 PM

If some fallen soldiers are "heroes", then all fallen soldiers are heroes. Including those on the opposing side.

My opinion about it: someone is not a "hero" because he happens to get killed in combat. He's just somebody who had the bad luck to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, that's all.

Such people are called "heroes" by governments and media in order to drum up public enthusiasm to send more young people out to get killed, but the fact is the soldiers who fall in battle or the firefighters or cops who fall on duty are no better or worse than the rest of us. They're just the ones who drew the short straw when the time came.

To say this is to cast a very cynical glance on the legitimacy of all wars. And I do.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Ebbie
Date: 10 Jun 06 - 04:18 PM

Aong those same lines the president said several times that he was glad that al-Zarquawi was "brought to justice'. Seemed an odd phrase, somehow. We all die. Does that mean that we are all brought to justice?

I can see him saying that he was glad that Z was removed from all further terrorist activity or influence, or that he was glad the hunt was over or any number of other things, but "brought to justice"?


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Peace
Date: 10 Jun 06 - 04:20 PM

That's because he would have had difficulty saying anything more complicated.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Little Hawk
Date: 10 Jun 06 - 05:06 PM

People say stuff like that all the time without really thinking what they are saying. They're just repeating cliches that they have heard come out of other people's mouths before them. And in the case of politicians, they are dispensing propaganda. The world objectives of America do not involve justice in any sense whatsoever.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Ebbie
Date: 10 Jun 06 - 06:10 PM

The chorus of a song I long ago wrote says:

'Lord, I don't want justice. I can't afford justice
As payback for my whole life long
Lord, I want mercy. Oh, Lord I need mercy
And forgiveness for all I'v done wrong."

Going through a 'light' time of my life, obviously...


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Little Hawk
Date: 10 Jun 06 - 06:13 PM

Mercy, indeed. A far higher concept it is than "justice", which is a word most people use when they really mean: vengeance.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Greg F.
Date: 10 Jun 06 - 06:48 PM

The Dumbya th' Prez had intended to say "Brought to Jesus" and got flummoxulated.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 10 Jun 06 - 09:20 PM

"However, she does have a point and that is, The wives of men killed on 9/11 and Cindy Sheehan have preached their venom against George Bush and his administration non-stop. If one vocally disagrees with their point of view, one is described as insensetive because the wives (and Sheehan) lost loved ones either at one of the towers in NYC or on the battlefields of Iraq."

That is pure paranoid BS Doug.   Please point out where anyone was described as being insenstive.   It hasn't been done. This is another case of the rightwing attempting to be martyrs.   When you can't fight with logic, you make crap up.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: GUEST,DEsdemona
Date: 10 Jun 06 - 10:24 PM

Always the best authority:

"The quality of mercy is not strained.
It droppeth as the gentle rain from heaven
Upon the place beneath. It is twice blest:
It blesseth him that gives and him that takes.
'Tis mightiest in the mightiest; it becomes
The throned monarch better than his crown.
His scepter shows the force of temporal power,
The attribute to awe and majesty,
Wherein doth sit the dread and fear of kings.
But mercy is above this sceptered sway;
It is enthroned in the hearts of kings;
It is an attribute of God himself;
And earthly power doth then show like God's
When mercy seasons justice."

'Nuff said.

~D


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Little Hawk
Date: 10 Jun 06 - 10:41 PM

Marvelous quote. Thank you!


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Peace
Date: 10 Jun 06 - 11:06 PM

From the same authority:

O, pardon me, thou bleeding piece of earth,
That I am meek and gentle with these butchers!
Thou art the ruins of the noblest man
That ever lived in the tide of times.
Woe to the hand that shed this costly blood!
Over thy wounds now do I prophesy,-
Which, like dumb mouths, do ope their ruby lips,
To beg the voice and utterance of my tongue-
A curse shall light upon the limbs of men;
Domestic fury and fierce civil strife
Shall cumber all the parts of Italy ;
Blood and destruction shall be so in use
And dreadful objects so familiar
That mothers shall but smile when they behold
Their infants quarter'd with the hands of war;
All pity choked with custom of fell deeds:
And Caesar's spirit, ranging for revenge,
With Ate by his side come hot from hell,
Shall in these confines with a monarch's voice
Cry 'Havoc,' and let slip the dogs of war;
That this foul deed shall smell above the earth
With carrion men, groaning for burial.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Rapparee
Date: 10 Jun 06 - 11:10 PM

A bumpersticker I saw today (and which I'd seen before) said, "If you want peace, work for justice."

No. I personally don't want justice and I don't think justice brings peace. I want mercy. I think that if you want peace, show how mercy tempers justice.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Little Hawk
Date: 10 Jun 06 - 11:11 PM

He sure had a way with words.

Did you know that William Shakespeare reincarnated as William Shatner?

That explains a lot.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: number 6
Date: 10 Jun 06 - 11:12 PM

Well said Rapaire.

sIx


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Little Hawk
Date: 10 Jun 06 - 11:16 PM

Justice is an imponderable thing, seldom to be found in earthly existence, and very rarely even understood by those who cry out loudly for it, but peace...peace is something that can be clearly seen by anyone, as can mercy.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Bobert
Date: 10 Jun 06 - 11:39 PM

Ahhhh, who is this Ann Coulter.... I keep hearin' her name but I ain't gotta a clue as to who she is???


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Jun 06 - 12:46 AM

Ann Coulter is a mouth with very little brain attached.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Ebbie
Date: 11 Jun 06 - 12:47 AM

Here are some pictures, Bobert. And in the same neighborhood she has a website. I didn't go there. She makes me feel ill.

http://www.anncoulter.com/cgi-local/gallery.cgi


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: dianavan
Date: 11 Jun 06 - 01:15 AM

Is she wearing cut-off jeans and high heels?

http://www.anncoulter.com/cgi-local/photo.cgi?image=gun.jpg

oooooooooh - so sexy!

Who does she appeal to? Is she the poster girl for poor white trash?


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Ebbie
Date: 11 Jun 06 - 02:04 AM

You know, I don't think I've ever been called 'poor white trash' but I've always been bothered by the phrase. When you stop to think about it, the operative part of the phrase is "poor"- and that kind of beginning is not the fault of any child. Poor and un(der)educated lives lead almost inevitably to narrow boundaries and low expectations.

That doesn't describe Coulter's persona at all.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Greg F.
Date: 11 Jun 06 - 09:49 AM

No, Coulter is RICH white trash, thanks to the assholes who buy her vomit.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Jun 06 - 10:56 AM

Do the anti-conservatives ever have a happy day?

Just because a person says something you disagree with or find distasteful does not justify tearing them down with regards to looks, income or even the size of their neck. Stick with the opinion.

Mosy of this thread sounds like echos of the loser Dems in Congress.
Not to say there are no 'loser' Repubs - they just have the good sense to keep their mouths closed.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: dianavan
Date: 11 Jun 06 - 11:25 AM

Sorry, Ebbie, I shouldn't have used that phrase and of course it doesn't refer to children (at least in my mind). I think you can easily be poor and White and not be trash. In fact, most poor people aren't trash. Some are. Coulter's image is "trashy".

...and I don't think Coulter is PWT but with a picture like the one I linked, who else is she appealing to? Its obvious that she has a target audience and I doubt if its the wealthy.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: catspaw49
Date: 11 Jun 06 - 11:42 AM

What are you talking about? She looks like a two dollar whore and she appeals to those of any race or gender who are broke and need fucked! She's completely fucked, so who better? And cheap too!!! I'm thinking Dubya might invest in her. Clinton could get it for free but even total disease ridden sluts won't do Bush for nothin'.......I mean there are standards even in that world!!!

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 11 Jun 06 - 12:33 PM

"Do the anti-conservatives ever have a happy day?

Just because a person says something you disagree with or find distasteful does not justify tearing them down with regards to looks, income or even the size of their neck. Stick with the opinion."

Again - the above is just another example of a conservative playing martyr. Read any of Couter, Limbaugh, Hannity or the rest of the crap vendors and tell me that they never fall back on attacking the person instead of the idea.

When conservatives finally learn how to look into mirrors then we might be able to get some reason in this world.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: harpmolly
Date: 11 Jun 06 - 12:36 PM

OK, I'm answering a bit late, but here goes...

DougR, I could *almost* buy the idea that the 9/11 widows have an advantage in that they are difficult to respond to without being labeled "insensitive". I say "almost" because if Ann Coulter is idiot enough to write the sort of libelous, vicious, disgustingly vitriolic shit that she wrote about them and then claim some sort of "high moral ground" because she is "daring to speak the truth", I don't buy it for a second. People with a valid political point to make have no need for statements such as the following, which do nothing to advance their point and are purely venomous attempts to gain publicity and sell books (now who is calling who a media whore?):

"By the way, how do we know their husbands weren't planning to divorce these harpies? Now that their shelf life is dwindling, they'd better hurry up and appear in Playboy."

DougR, I have both agreed and disagreed with you in the past. I'd like to have your input on this quote? Does this qualify as "sympathizing with those who have lost loved ones, while still disagreeing with their point of view?"

Sorry to get "testy" as Ann herself might put it ;) but I just can't understand reasonable people defending the things she had to say. Now, her right to say it, absolutely--freedom of speech is essential! But freedom of speech also means accepting fully the consequences of that speech. Don't shout "Fire" in a crowded theatre and then expect everyone to wave the First Amendment and shout, "Hurrah!"

OK. In the immortal words of Batman, "I've gotta go to work."

Cheers all,

Molly


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: harpmolly
Date: 11 Jun 06 - 12:48 PM

P.S. OK, I haven't actually left yet. ;)

I just wanted to add that statements like the one I quoted above, while reprehensible when directed at absolutely anyone, are ESPECIALLY nasty and egregious when directed at a group of people who, yes, have lost loved ones--and, I dare say, even more so when it has been so public. Ann can bitch all she likes, but saying these things about women who have had the bad fortune to lose loved ones in an event that has shaped the nation over the last five years shows a total lack of class. No, they are absolutely not immune from disagreement, but I'm sorry--anyone who thinks it's okay to make *these particular sort* of statements about *these particular women* has completely lost any claim to my empathy or understanding she might have had. Not that she ever had much.

Does Ann Coulter seriously think that these women would have chosen to go through what they have gone through, the publicity and everything included? She says they should have just "taken their money and shut up." Well, Ann darling, why don't you take your copious royalty checks from the columns and books *you* have sold since 9/11, profiting off the tragedy in your own inimitable style, and shut up yourself? THAT would be cause for a national holiday.

Molly

(who really is late now!)


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Jun 06 - 02:04 PM

Ron Olesko, Limbaugh does not do the type of attacking that Coulter and Hannity do. Both Coulter and Hnnity are jerks in "this Conservatives opinion".

But thanks for signing in, part of my post was to illustrate that you Libs act the same way as those you attack. Just different idealogical views.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Rapparee
Date: 11 Jun 06 - 02:37 PM

It occurs to me that if Ann Coulter really is scraping bottom, it must also really hurt. I've used scrapers on both wood and stone and I wouldn't want to use one on my skin, much less my bottom.

GUEST, the conservatives I know (and living in Idaho I know many) are scrambling to distance themselves from not only Ann C., but from the current administration. One of them called the current people in power "borrow and spend non-conservatives," a description I kinda like.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Stringsinger
Date: 11 Jun 06 - 02:48 PM

I think it's possible that Coulter is a rape victim. This might explain some of her behavior. She has unleashed anger that perhaps she has never examined. It could have occurred in her family.

She is making a profit though by acting out. Her books are selling.

Cruelty is a part of her denial of her genuine feelings.

Frank Hamilton


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Don Firth
Date: 11 Jun 06 - 03:21 PM

". . . you Libs. . . ."

Quaint, that.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: catspaw49
Date: 11 Jun 06 - 04:12 PM

Doesn't she look like that Bratty Little Pain in the Ass Girl who you hated in grade school?

LMAO

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Greg F.
Date: 11 Jun 06 - 04:40 PM

the conservatives I know (and living in Idaho I know many) are scrambling to distance themselves from not only Ann C., but from the current administration...

'Bout six years too late. Are they so stupid it took all that tiime for them to realize the current junta are not and never were "conservatives" but neo-con bullshit artists?

Oh, ye generation of morons...


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: catspaw49
Date: 11 Jun 06 - 04:53 PM

"Are they so stupid it took all that tiime for them to realize the current junta are not and never were "conservatives" but neo-con bullshit artists?"

Yeah Greg, I think they probably are......and sadly they aren't alone.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Alba
Date: 11 Jun 06 - 05:04 PM

Just curious Stringsinger,
Why do you think that AC was perhaps a victim of Rape?
Just wondering.
Alba


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Alba
Date: 11 Jun 06 - 05:36 PM

Hi Frank,
I read your post again.
No need to answer my question...why?
Because you already did in your post..Duh:)
Best Wishes
J


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Jun 06 - 05:55 PM

People will stay down with someone they hold down.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Jun 06 - 06:34 PM

Rapaire - it is simply one of those ".....don't agree with what is being said.....but will defend the right to say it........."

And while doing that, will still not denigrate the person based on looks as, say Catspaw, just did again. What is wrong here? Can't you simply debate the words of the person? Only cowards resort to personal attacks. I have not cared for her for some time before this last episode. However, I am able to simply consider the source and go on with my life, unlike some here.

She is doing this for the shock value and to draw attention to her books, the same as Hannity, who as far as I am concerned, is even a bigger jerk.

Well, after reviewing this thread, it is working for her!

Oh, yes, I am a Conservative but that is not the majority in DC at the present time. I don't know what the hell to do as both sides in DC have forgotten us.

"How quaint",    what a comeback, I am impressed. So, lets go with ""Quaint" but true"!!!!! Okay, Don?


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Don Firth
Date: 11 Jun 06 - 07:06 PM

Not just "you Libs," GUEST. Genuine intelligent and philosophical conservatives such as William F. Buckley, who are capable of framing their arguments in a logical manner and seek to persuade rather than out-shout, are distancing themselves from the spittle-spraying ravings of Ann Coulter and the other ill-tempered loud-mouths like Limbaugh, Hannity, O'Reilly, and their like. Coulter, et al, tend to appeal to the reptile brain of their fans, and any thinking human being knows that, in the long run, they do more harm to their cause than good.

What I find "quaint" was that you feel it necessary to stuff anyone who isn't awed by the beauty and amazed by the intellectuality of Ann Coulter into a pigeon-hole and label them all (liberals and conservatives alike) as "you Libs." It tends to reveal quite a bit about your intellectual acumen.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Jun 06 - 07:18 PM

Don, you are not capable of making such a judgement - I have read enough of your posts to make that decision.

Reread, please. I have not liked her for some time, "before this latest episode....."

You don't seem to have the ability to comprehend - I am a Conservative, I don't like Coulter and I am able to ignore her. And if I didn't, I still would not attack her on a personal basis. I am capable, if necessary, of attacking her ideaologies, not her "long skinny neck". As you "Libs" seem incapable of doing.

And Don, are you really "awed by the beauty and and amazed by the intellectuality of Ann Coutler"?

Hmmnnn, maybe the keyword for this thread and many speaking to it is Jelousy?


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Jun 06 - 07:21 PM

'You don't seem to have the ability to comprehend - I am a Conservative, I don't like Coulter and I am able to ignore her.'

But you have trouble ignoring this thread.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Don Firth
Date: 11 Jun 06 - 07:30 PM

As I said, stuffing a bunch of people into a pigeon-hole and labeling them is a way of dismissing them bothering to pay attention to what they have to say. I'm not talking about whether you like Coulter or not, what I am talking about is how you stuff all those who criticize her into that pigeon-hole.

And, no, I am not "awed by the beauty and amazed by the intellectuality of Ann Coulter." I take it you don't understand hyperbole.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Don Firth
Date: 11 Jun 06 - 07:32 PM

--dismissing them without bothering--

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Jun 06 - 08:15 PM

7:21 - I have trouble ignoring those who can't. Undue sympathy on my part.

Don, you have entered the realm of "dismissed" long ago by any with a smattering of intelligence. You are simply a name to toy with.
So, don't take anything seriously.

(As I don't - isn't this just a fun forum where people can exhibit their alter egos?)


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 11 Jun 06 - 08:22 PM

"But thanks for signing in, part of my post was to illustrate that you Libs act the same way as those you attack"

Guest, you are an insufferable troll. You proved my point about conservatives wishing to play the roll of martyr since your original post said "Do the anti-conservatives ever have a happy day?"

It is nice how you can feel free to dish out crap but when it is served back to you the cries of "foul" come out.   Please, try the mirror. It may sicken you at first but it will help in the long run.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Don Firth
Date: 11 Jun 06 - 09:06 PM

Since you've made your position eminently clear, GUEST, your opinion is of no importance to me, so dismiss me all you want.

Others do not.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: harpmolly
Date: 11 Jun 06 - 09:40 PM

Guest, from your post of 6:34 pm..."Only cowards resort to personal attacks." I rather thought that was the whole point of this thread. *grin*

Cheers,

Molly


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Jun 06 - 09:57 PM

Molly, I could not agree more - and what is a nice person like you doing in a place like this?

Ron, I love what I see in the mirror. It says honesty and the ability to be sincere, like it or not, and I care not what you think.

Don, speaking of honesty, how do you know others don't dismiss you.
At least you can depend on me for that one bit of human nature, like it or not.

Ron, it is beginning to look like "trolls" rule. And that must eat at you terribly. Just take this for what is, and don't get to the point that you will require the "purple pill". Not worth it, eh?

Life is supposed to be fun. Maybe not always fair, but mostly good.
So, stop getting your boxers in a wad and just go with the flow.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: dianavan
Date: 11 Jun 06 - 10:24 PM

He's back!


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Ebbie
Date: 11 Jun 06 - 10:33 PM

I don't think so. "eh"?


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: GUEST,Condi
Date: 11 Jun 06 - 10:38 PM

No, no, this Guest is an total amateur Dianavan a 'wanna be Troll'. Feed this Baby Troll in training to Gargoyle.

If "he" was back then "he" would be such a loser for doing so that few would care or even bother with "he".
No, to come back once was...well...kind of sad and some felt sorry that "he" was so lonely out there in Cyber space so they tolerated "he" but to make a second comeback would make "he" utterly pathetic.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Jun 06 - 10:39 PM

ebbie that link to coulter photos you provided ... the second row from the top - first one on the left - ..... does that hand really belong to her, or to a melvanian she-monster from the planet ognon?   ....


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Jun 06 - 11:01 PM

Maybe he's a she.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Jun 06 - 11:20 PM

Don't allow the "troll" to get on your nerves. It will be difficult to tell who the amateur(s) really are.

Just be happy with what you are - I am.


Now, there is an opening!


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Jun 06 - 11:21 PM

What troll


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Thomas the Rhymer
Date: 12 Jun 06 - 12:23 AM

Ann Coulter.

Well, then... I've got to rock the boat a little here... T'will be the first time ever I'm quite sure...

I like the lady. She looks good, expresses herself well, kicks up the dust in some pretty dark liberal corners, and makes a decent living as a writer. She pays attention to politics in a way that has been considered 'unfeminine' for about 10,000 years...

...and so...

Who can blame her for 'overdoing it' a 'little' as she breaks out of that ancient role... while simultaniously besmirching the much more modern woman's role of 'liberated', liberal, and morally-challenged. Ann has a raw inspired talent for challenging the strictly flaccid ways of the outmoded western 'Holly woulds'... and she taps into a great storehouse of 'left-wing hypocracy shunning' middle America.

For my part, however... I don't relate well with incendiary conversational pyrotechnics in written form. I find that her message is interesting, provocative and innovative... but that her dominatrix-style irritability is an impediment to intelligability. I'd rather enjoy disagreeing with her... and be able to finish an entire book she's written.

Actually, ...I think she'd be a great match for me... in real life! Never a dull moment. ;^)

ttr


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: harpmolly
Date: 12 Jun 06 - 01:54 AM

er...Guest...I think I didn't phrase that well. By "the point of this thread" I meant that Ms. Coulter herself apparently has a yellow-bellied streak a mile wide, judging from the personal nature of the *comments* that inspired this thread.

Whew. Context is everything. ;)

And Rhymer..."who can blame her?" Uh, I can think of a couple of women in East Brunswick who might like to give it a try...

M


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Ebbie
Date: 12 Jun 06 - 02:17 AM

I like the man. He looks good, expresses himself well, kicks up the dust in some pretty dark liberal corners, and makes a decent living as a writer. He pays attention to politics in a way that has been considered 'politically incorrect' for about 10,000 years...

...and so...

Who can blame him for 'overdoing it' a 'little' as he breaks out of that ancient role... while simultaniously besmirching the much more modern man's role of 'liberated', liberal, and morally-challenged. He has a raw inspired talent for challenging the strictly flaccid ways of the outmoded western 'Holly woulds'... and he taps into a great storehouse of 'left-wing hypocracy shunning' middle America.

For my part, however... I don't relate well with incendiary conversational pyrotechnics in written form. I find that his message is interesting, provocative and innovative... but that his dominatrix-style irritability is an impediment to intelligability. I'd rather enjoy disagreeing with him... and be able to finish an entire book he's written.

Actually, ...I think he'd be a great match for me... in real life! Never a dull moment. ;^)

Herr Schickelgruber would be proud.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: harpmolly
Date: 12 Jun 06 - 02:31 AM

Ummmm...er...what just happened?

*eyes crossing*

Whoa...no more Peanut Roca for me...

;)

Molly


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Jun 06 - 07:35 AM

Molly, context is everything - I don't think the yellow streak comment is appropiate. She made the statements, both verbally and written and is certainly not hiding from them.
What am I missing here?


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Scoville
Date: 12 Jun 06 - 09:22 AM

She also shamelessly misrepresents a large portion of her sources, with the knowledge that most people don't read end-notes. My feeling has always been that the politics is second to the attention/money-grubbing and strident other-bashing (Liberals, blue-collars, etc.). I'm not just saying that because I'm a Liberal--I don't trust Liberal pop-politics writers, either (I love Al Franken and Molly Ivins but I know they're just telling me what I want to hear, so, without having time to double-check their sources and context myself, I have to take it all with a grain of salt).


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 12 Jun 06 - 10:28 AM

"Ron, it is beginning to look like "trolls" rule. And that must eat at you terribly. Just take this for what is, and don't get to the point that you will require the "purple pill". Not worth it, eh?"

Sorry Guest, but trolls can never "rule". The lack of identity enables people like you to spout illogical statements that make the rest of us chuckle. Sort of like an infant who puts a hand over their eyes and feels invisibile and superior. Someone needs a diaper change.

I have no problem whatsover with guests that make sense, but when people like yourself willfully contradict your own statements and then go into a public denial, well, that is a troll.

Ann Coulter is a troll who hides behind her long legs, blond hair, and a self-image that has long passed her by - just as her conservative ways are on the decline in this country. Her days on top are numbered, by her own doing.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Jun 06 - 10:56 AM

Identity does not prevent illogical statements either.
Using an identity, be it true or false, demostrates nothing.

Where did I contradict myself, willfully, and then go into denial?

You wish!
And I agree, a diaper change is a requirement for many here.


And Scoville, I admire an honest person. Never before have so few made so much ($) out of so little. (At the expense of many)


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 12 Jun 06 - 11:17 AM

Guest, read my previous threads - I already pointed it out to you.

I am not getting into a pissing contest here. The truth is out there. I've said my piece.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Jun 06 - 11:41 AM

Okay by me, sayeth the "troll" in a smug manner.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 12 Jun 06 - 01:02 PM

:)


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: DougR
Date: 12 Jun 06 - 05:15 PM

Ron: are you saying that folks aren't accusing Ann Coulter of being insensitive? What you smoking?

DougR


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Amos
Date: 12 Jun 06 - 05:25 PM

Are you, Doug, asserting that she is being sensitive? One is moved to ask where, and to what.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: DougR
Date: 12 Jun 06 - 05:33 PM

I just heard on the Sean Hennity show on radion (Fox of course) that a magazine has suggested that Ann Coulter should commit suicide. How many of you agree?

DougR


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Jun 06 - 05:39 PM

Will it be on Real TV?


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Jun 06 - 05:40 PM

It would boost her book sales. Have you suggested this to her, Doug?


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Wesley S
Date: 12 Jun 06 - 05:57 PM

No one is beyond redemption. She doesn't need to off herself - just get a clue and develop a sense of empathy.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Big Mick
Date: 12 Jun 06 - 06:04 PM

How ridiculous!


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Greg F.
Date: 12 Jun 06 - 06:13 PM

I just heard on radio (Fox of course) that a magazine has suggested that DougR should commit suicide. How many of you agree?


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 12 Jun 06 - 06:22 PM

Doug, you are mixing up the stories. Of course people are calling her insensitive for the comments that she made about the 9/11 widows taking advantage of their misery. What Coulter was saying that she could not critize their politics and opinions because they were widows. No one has called her insensitive for critizing their opinino - Coulter has been critized for her statements about their status as widows. She, and everyone else, is free to say that the 9/11 widows are wrong in their stance that the U.S. were not prepared and their views of the adminstrations (plural) is wrong. If she left it at that, there would have been no outcry - other than normal debate. Instead, she took it to the gutter.

Show me where there was complaints if I am wrong.

And no - I do not think anyone should be encouraged to take their life. Stop being silly.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Big Mick
Date: 12 Jun 06 - 06:27 PM

As was pointed out above, I am waiting for her, and DougR, to express their outrage at those "broads" who spoke out in favor of the President's policies and re-election during the campaign, and at the GOP convention. I am waiting for either of them to indicate how much they are enjoying the deaths of their husbands because of the notoriety it brings them.

I will probably wait a long time....

Mick


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: harpmolly
Date: 12 Jun 06 - 10:41 PM

OK, GUEST from 07:35 AM... (This is beginning to sound like "Oh, I once loved a lass who alas loved a lad had a lass loved a lad loved another lass...") I would PM you to continue this conversation in a more streamlined fashion, but oops...I can't do that, as you are A Nonny Mouse.

Anyway. My point. My "yellow-bellied" comment was a riff on your own (again, assuming you are the same GUEST) statement that only cowards resort to personal attacks. As in, Ann Coulter could have easily criticized the widows without kicking up nearly this amount of fuss. She chose, instead, to descend, as Ron O. put it so beautifully, to the gutter instead. By your own logic, this makes her a coward.

And DougR...what a lovely, juicy piece of bait you're dangling before us. Shame I had sushi for lunch today. Better luck next time?

Molly


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Ron Davies
Date: 12 Jun 06 - 11:20 PM

Any sensible person with any humanity knows there's a huge difference between Coulter's vicious, uncalled-for ravings----at the expense of 9-11 widows, yet---and those widows' own statements.

We've seen who has decency, sense, and guts--and who defends Coulter's revolting smears. So we know all we need to know about the people behind each of those postings. So much for Doug R's carefully nurtured image (facade) as a "gentleman", for instance.

This would be a perfect time for the so-called conservatives we have on Mudcat to do a "Sister Souljah" as Clinton did.

Fascinating that none of the "conservatives" have done so.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Amos
Date: 12 Jun 06 - 11:54 PM

DOug:

I think she is deeply troubled -- one would have to be in order to retreat into so false a representation of humanity as she has.

And if she were to commit suicide, because at some point she cracked the window just enough to get a peek at what she hadf been actually doing these last many years, I would be sorry but I would not be surprised.

However, I do not think it is likely to happen while the heat of battle is upon her, and therefore predict she will fade out into a very bitter and old person, unheard of by the general public, and (I expect) quite unhappy with herself.

A different sort of death, possibly.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: dianavan
Date: 13 Jun 06 - 12:30 AM

Unfortunately, she has probably made enough investments that she is laughing all the way to the bank even if she does fade into obscurity. As far as suicide or regrets of any kind...

I doubt it. People like that don't have a conscience.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Thomas the Rhymer
Date: 13 Jun 06 - 12:33 AM

Wow Ebbie... talk about obscure... And the point you are making is... what, exactly?

Mine is this...

If Ann Coulter was standing on a stage in front of the mudcat... strumming a Martin dreadnaught and singing soulfully about being wronged... she would be sought after and coveted by many here. But because she is on the 'other side' of some imaginary duality, the vociferous 'ad hominem' has become a useful weapon for many of you to use against her as a person. This is hypoctitical and substandard.

Hey, the lady isn't going to win any prizes for being cuddly and heart-warming... and that is our loss as well as her's... with her writing. But all you know of her is from her 'day job' as a political writer and provocateur... Stick to the issues, and agree or disagree with her... or lose by default, in a fit of reaction that is beneath all of us.

She proves to us again and again, that we'd rather react than think... and we feel compelled to toe the 'party line' withhout breaking ranks instead of questioning our motives for doing so.

Just like here at mudcat, the lesson is constantly renewed... Don't Feed the Flames.

Hating the world only makes it worse.

ttr


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: harpmolly
Date: 13 Jun 06 - 01:01 AM

Sought after and coveted? Not by me, Rhymer. And just what is this imaginary duality you are on about? Not so imaginary, in my opinion. Here's the duality I see:

The "Jersey Girls" called for an investigation of the events leading to the tragedy that took their husbands' lives. They then (in disillusionment over an administration that used the tragedy to further their military and political ends) had the temerity to question the administration's handling of its aftermath, and (horrors!) to support the opposing candidate. (In Jon Stewart's unfailingly hilarious words: "How DARE the Democrats field a candidate? And in an ELECTION YEAR?!?!?!?!?!?"...*LOL*)

VS:

Ann Coulter, in the midst of what could have been a valid point (whether or not I agree with it, I see what she was saying) chose to use vicious, libelous language and sink to gutter-trash-talking, all in hopes of boosting her book sales. And you are accusing *us* of ad hominem attacks?

If Ann Coulter was standing in front of the Mudcat with a Martin dreadnought (though I see her more as an Ovation gal myself...cheap and plastic...how's that for ad hominem?) and sang a song with the lyrics, "Those Jersey Girls, yeah, don't you know they'd better spread it in Playboy, yeah, because their shelf life is going down, down, down the tubes..." I'd boo her off the stage. For bad writing just as much as the sentiments. ;)

M

P.S. I do solemnly swear that this is absolutely my last post to this thread. I'm sort of nauseated by the amount of energy I have wasted on this woman...


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: harpmolly
Date: 13 Jun 06 - 01:04 AM

P.S. OK, this really is the last. I just wanted to apologize to any Ovation fans out there. What a horrible thing for me to say about what is probably a fine guitar. ;)) I would like to formally revoke any association I may have created between Ann Coulter and Ovations. Of any kind. ;)

Really done now.

M


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Ebbie
Date: 13 Jun 06 - 04:50 AM

As harpmolly said. It is not an ad hominem attack when you are referring to what you hve listened to that person say. And when you have not only read what the person said but you have watched her and her body language in what she says- well, that is what is called judgment. It does not attack anything at all outside the parameters of the persona she presents.

My 'obscure' post? I simply took your post, ttr, and had it spoken by a famous 'gentleman'. I was hoping you might realize that you are speaking nonsense. Utter balderdash.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Ron Davies
Date: 13 Jun 06 - 07:21 AM

Suicide? That would be a bit harsh. Perhaps a frustrated embittered spinsterhood. And impoverished--perhaps after a successful suit by one of the 9-11 widows. Now that would be poetic justice for dear Ann. Unlikely--but we can dream.

And something similar for anybody who defends her remarks about the widows.

Anybody who wanted to avoid such a fate could easily do so--by the simple expedient of CLEARLY condemning her remarks--with no hedging about how she was partially justified.

She was not justified in the least.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Thomas the Rhymer
Date: 13 Jun 06 - 10:55 AM

You might very well think so Molly... I couldn't possibly comment.... ;^)

Gosh Ron... Feeling testy and spoiling for a fight? OK then.

I don't think Ann Coulter actually writes her own books. IMHO, she may be one of many figureheads behind which Cheney and Rumsfeld (and the people they work for) operate. She is a lawyer arguing a case. Fixating on the council is just plain foolishness.

Step back for a momment. The severity of Ann's personal 'ad hominem' attacks is bordering on desperate... and she's no housewife. The 'Jersey Gals' are posing a tangible threat to the administration by persisting in their persuit for clarity and verification... and consequentially, they are kicking up the dust in some pretty dark 'Neo-Con' corners the way no one else can.

"...they should just take thier settlement money and shut up about it... " (or something similar)... Has an unmistakeable tone don'tchathink?

Ann is just the messenger... and yet another decoy...

Don't waste your efforts insulting a 'pit bull'.

Just 'cause I 'like her' doesn't mean we need to agree on everything... ;^)

Good Morning, and God Bless you!
ttr


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Jun 06 - 11:19 AM

Her name will appear in the OED under (n) cunt.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Big Mick
Date: 13 Jun 06 - 01:17 PM

So .... in your considered opinion then, cunt is a perjorative for what? A sexist perjorative for a female? I despise this woman's comments, but I am disgusted by your use of this term. It is akin to the "N" word.

Mick


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Jun 06 - 01:21 PM

Cunt is an English word that refers to the human female genitalia, continuing Proto-Germanic *kunton. It is considered by some to be the most offensive word in the English language[1]. Some reject this exclusively negative connotation as inherently sexist towards women, and claim that insult is an inappropriate use for word which once meant respect for women. In general English usage, the Latin term vulva (or, less accurately, vagina) is considered to be much more polite. The earliest citation of the word in the Oxford English Dictionary is a reference to the London street name "Gropecunt Lane" dated to about 1230. The Germanic word was possibly influenced by Latin cunnus.

Like many vulgar words, cunt owes some of its potency to its phonetic characteristics. Its monosyllabic nature, combined with the hard k sound at the beginning and the sharp t at the end make it well-suited for use as an epithet or interjection.

In non-amorous situations, "cunt" is primarily used as a term of personal abuse, generally considered the most offensive description of either a man or (especially) a woman. In English, it implies that the named person is extremely nasty and unpleasant in a way that far exceeds the vehemence of the word "bitch," for example. In the film One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest, for instance, the central character McMurphy, when pressed to explain exactly why he doesn't like the tyrannical Nurse Ratched, says: "She's something of a cunt, ain't she?"

In England, "cunt" is also considered a foul and insulting word by many, but it is used by and about men more often than women. In Australia, and to a lesser extent England, while still being considered highly offensive in most contexts, the word is also often used and received more gently, to the extent that in some situations it has a comedic quality and can even be used as a term of affection. During foreplay and/or sex, men and women alike may be excited by using the word "cunt" to refer to female genitalia. This is probably due, in part, to its phonetic potency (see above) and its perceived "dirtiness."


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Wesley S
Date: 13 Jun 06 - 01:34 PM

"Just because you can doesn't mean you should"


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Jun 06 - 01:46 PM

The word is too good for Coulter.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: GUEST,Larry K
Date: 13 Jun 06 - 03:03 PM

Ann Coulter has sold well over 1 million books.   This will be her best selling book ever and put her closer to 2 millions books sold.   How many political authors have sold 2 million books?

Over the top insensitive remarks- How about Howard Deam "I hate republicans" "republicans have never worked an honest day in their lives" or Louis Farakan, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Micaal Moore, Al Franken, Randy Rhodes, John Kerry, Dick Durbin, or Jerry Springer (to name a few)   I have yet to see any mudcat criticism.

Bush, Cheney, Rumsfield, and most republican leaders have been referred to as Hitler by Democrats.   Name a republican who has called a democratic leader Hitler.   A collumnist suggested Clarence Thomas eat bacon and die of a heart attack.   A cartoon showed Bush pushing an old lady out of a wheelchair.   An NAACP ad accused repuplicans of lyning black people.

All of this is standard practice for liberals.    When you can't debate Coulter in the arena of ideas throw a pie in her face, or at Howowitz, or moon rumsfield.    Show your true intellectual property of a 5 year old.

The biggest difference between Coulter and Moore (aside from 400 pounds) is that Coulter tells the truth and documents it while Moore lies and makes things up and has been caught over and over.

Earth to Ron:   Before you proclaim conservatism dead and Coulters "days are numbered" you may want to look at Amazon or the NY Times best seller lists.   Her book was number one pushing Russert off the top.   Maybe that is what is really pissing the media off. I predict this book will sell over 400,000 copies.   Maybe 500,000 with all the free publicity you liberals are giving it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Alba
Date: 13 Jun 06 - 03:37 PM

Well if no-one has anything better to do you may see something interesting on the Jay Leno Show on Wednesday Night! Thoughts of Mad Max and the 'Thunderdome' come to mind:) Coulter meets ??

As I said way earlier.
The Conservatives can have her.
Get her on as many Prime time and high ratings shows as possible to repeat her slurs against the 9/11 Widows.
She is, without a doubt, a verbal WMD for the GOP.
Keep on spitting that venom AC..lol


J


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: GUEST,2
Date: 13 Jun 06 - 03:45 PM

"while Moore lies and makes things up and has been caught over and over."

Show us. Put some facts behind your hyperbole.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Wesley S
Date: 13 Jun 06 - 04:05 PM

Larry K - PLEASE don't try to convince us that Ann C selling a lot of books doesn't add up to anything other than - gee - selling a lot of books. Romance novels sell a lot of books. The bible sells a lot of books. Jacqueline Susann sold a lot of copies of "Valley of the Dolls"

You point was ??


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: robomatic
Date: 13 Jun 06 - 04:53 PM

I didn't want to spend a lot of time belaboring the obvious, i.e. the thread title says it all and prompts the viewer to respond: "what's your point?" "say something not self-evident" "only scrapes - no sucking?"

I guess I have more forgiveness in my heart for the poor female suffered an unhappy and tragic occurrence in her life - she walked through a malfunctioning transporter which had not yet been fixed from creating the 'good' and 'evil' Kirk, and this lovely well balanced auburn haired creature was beamed into opposite polarities whom we now call Ann Coulter and Maureen Dowd.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Little Hawk
Date: 13 Jun 06 - 05:09 PM

Yeah. Shit sells. The more controversial and extreme it is, the better it sells. Nothing new about that. So what?


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Jun 06 - 05:10 PM

Female? Coulter is female by surgical decision only. Born with sexual ambiguity the operation was routine. sHe has alot to be angry about but taking it out on 9-11 widows will never help Coulter's trans gender hormonal disfunction.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 13 Jun 06 - 05:25 PM

She is a master of agitprop. In the 60's we had people like Abbie Hoffman enage in the same thing. By stirring up controversy and getting media attention, they draw new people into supporting their "cause", while galvanizing those who oppose.   Same shoes, different feet.

Ignore her, her days on top are limited.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Don Firth
Date: 13 Jun 06 - 05:30 PM

Aw, c'mon! You can trash Ann Coulter's appearance (which, in architectural terms, isn't that bad) and her sexuality (if anyone really knows about that, just how do you know? Might make an interesting account.), but the simple fact is that, for some reason, the determination of which I would leave to a qualified psychiatrist, she's full of hate, and she's directed that hatred at anything to the left of Genghis Khan. She's an absolutist, sees things only in terms of black and white, and in general, has the soul, but not the guts of a concentration camp director. So she runs her mouth.

Someplace along the line, her reptile brain ate her cerebrum and took over control, at which point she boarded the train to Bitch City and became the mayor.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 13 Jun 06 - 05:39 PM

I actually met her, briefly, several years ago before she became the media icon she has turned into. She is not hard on the eyes and I don't think it is fair to call her sexual ambiguous.

She has turned into this trash spewing mouthpiece and in the end she hurts herself and her cause.   She is today's Morton Downey, and she will be forgotten tomorrow.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Thomas the Rhymer
Date: 13 Jun 06 - 08:27 PM

Great post, Larry K!

Seems like many Democrats can't stand the taste of their own medicine... ever notice how 'conspiraacy theories' almost always are Democrats accusing Republicans?

Ann Coulter is certainly provocative.

And BTW... I'll bet she does write her own books...

But I do stand by my assertion that the duality is largely the work of our imagination... We're all just trying to make sense out of the world God has given us... We're all in the same big beautiful boat called planet Earth...

May your days be filled with a most inspiring peace!

ttr


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Ron Davies
Date: 13 Jun 06 - 09:24 PM

Thomas--

I am a Republican--but one who thinks--as a result, perhaps a rare breed.

Please try doing some research--for once-- before you favor us with yet another of your wonderfully imaginative conspiracy theories. Would you mind coming up with some actual evidence that Cheney and Rumsfeld etc. operate through Ann? I'll be waiting for it--though, based on your track record, not with much hope.

Ann has made a lot of money--for herself--by being outrageous--similar to Michael Moore on the Left--as has already been pointed out.

I'm aware that we can't require much from you--after all, your only claim is to be a "Rhymer". However, if you choose to participate in a political discussion, a little sense and logic might be in order. Conspiracy theories are often the last refuge--or even first resort--of somebody who can't be bothered to think.

If you "like her", that makes you even more of a fuzzy thinker than some of the other giant intellects we are honored to have here--on both the Right and the Left. Not that anybody would want to criticize your taste, you understand.

And, if you would be so good, please spare us your meaningless warmed-over 60's tripe about "hating the world only makes it worse." Are you really not capable of discerning the difference between hating the world and criticizing one harpy?

There is absolutely no excuse for her latest spewings about the 9-11 widows. If you think there is, you need to do a little soul-searching.

It's only too bad that a libel or slander suit against Ann might well be costly and unsuccessful.

And God bless you also.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Alba
Date: 13 Jun 06 - 09:26 PM

That's right Right.
Keep on Owning her.
Embrace her, she is all yours. Buy 4 copies of her Book.
Call/Email every Major Network and get her as many slots as possible.
Keep it going. Draw this out.
Say till November.
My wish for AC is that she is kept front and center like a Barbie Beacon for the Republican Party right up to the Elections.
If Ac's track record is anything to go by the more attention she gets the worse her mouth becomes. So Go GO GO AC

It shows how low the GOP and the Conservatives in this Country have fallen when they would grab at a poisoned straw to boost their moral.
Oh, How the arrogant Right have fallen when they look up to a shock jockess who targets the Families of 9/11 Victims.
Y'all must be so proud of "your" girl.


Now that the Coulter apologists have arrived I must bid this Thread farewell.
Don't forget to tune in and see Your GOP Pin up Girl trying to spew forth her acid rhetoric towards George Carlin on Jay Leno, Wednesday Night.
I won't be watching but no doubt will hear about the following day. LOL


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Ron Davies
Date: 13 Jun 06 - 09:32 PM

Larry K-

If you think "republicans (sic) have never worked an honest day in their lives" is on a par with what Coulter said--about 9-11 widows yet---that shows what grasp of reality you have.

I thought "conservatives" were supposed to shun moral relativism --(hope I don't have to explain what that is)---the Wall St Journal editorial writers are forever inveighing against it.

You embody it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Willie-O
Date: 13 Jun 06 - 09:35 PM

The so-called Larry K is a moron if he thinks Ann Coulter "tells the truth".

And yeah, most left-of-Republicans don't get called "Hitler", they get called "terrorists" and "terrorist lovers" by Republicans.

She's still a cheap vicious bitch with no redeeming qualities and I'm kinda surprised this thread is still going on...cause there is no useful conversation possible with the far-gone nutters who would support her. Logic has left the building...

W-O


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Ron Davies
Date: 13 Jun 06 - 09:38 PM

Ron O--

Please, o media maven, tell us what Abbie Hoffman said to denigrate the widows of soldiers.

I disagree with much, perhaps most, of what he said--but his targets were not widows.

But it's not surprising to hear your moral relativism continuing----Mr. "We are all Martin Gibsons".


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 13 Jun 06 - 09:46 PM

Perspective:

Has a librul commentator recently said that Nancy Reagan's shelf life is up and she should appear in Playboy? Has Maureen Dowd ever said that Ted Olson was probably about to divorce his harpy wife anyway? This is the level of commentary that the apolgists claim "happens on both sides". Bullshit.

Oh, and on the subject of Ann Coulter speaking truth (as opposed to the other side making shit up), have you seen the clip of Ms. Coulter arguing with a Canadian journalist and insisting that Canada had combat troops in Vietnam. Well... did they?


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Willie-O
Date: 13 Jun 06 - 09:55 PM

Nope, Canada didn't have troops in Vietnam of course, if that's what you're asking. Several hundred Canadians fought there as members of the US military though. If my ex-neighbour who was one is representative, a lot of them were pretty whacked--after all, they had to volunteer to join a foreign army to get involved in mayhem on the other side of the planet...but I digress.

W-O


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Little Hawk
Date: 13 Jun 06 - 11:26 PM

They must have thought they were saving the world from Communism... ;-)

(People will believe anything if they hear it from what they regard as "a reliable source"....millions of Germans considered Hitler to be a reliable source, so there you go.)


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 14 Jun 06 - 12:02 AM

Hey Ron Davis - pay closer attention to what people are saying and stop putting words in peoples mouths.

Did I ever say that Abbie Hoffman denigrated widows of soldiers? Did I ever accuse him of saying anything of the filth that Ann Coulter did? Absolutely not. You are a crude individual to accuse me of suggesting that. Shame on you.

What I did say, and I would bet Abbie would agree if he was still with us, is that both Ann Coulter and Abbie Hoffman practice the art of agitprop. They would stir up peoples emotions and use theater to push their views. They attracted media attention and with that they Of course they are polar opposites, but the tactics are the same.

Next time, please read carefully before you make accusations. If you wish to have a dialogue, argue with the truth of your convictions. Don't resort to making up crap.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Thomas the Rhymer
Date: 14 Jun 06 - 01:03 AM

Ron Davies... Hey no hard feelings... OK? I was just winding it up for you... In fact, I just made up a conspiracy theory on the spot (like so many across the wide world web)... Why? Well you seemed to be spoiling for a fight, and you still do. I was trying to illustrate a point, and I obviously missed the mark by a wide margin. My Bad. Read my other postings to this thread.

If I remember correctly, I had not said anything about Ann Coulter's most recent book at all... before my imaginary conspiracy theory surfaced. I've only read the media blurbs, and so I'm not qualified to critique it. I'll bet very few in this thread have actually read the book.

I am indeed deeply shocked by some of the recent coverage of her new book... but I'm not really excited by the prospect of running out and buying it. I will say, however, that there may be no excuse for some of the exerpts I've been hearing... Taken out of context as they are, they qualify quite nicely as 'cruel and unusual punishment'... and they do not exibit a 'sound moral character'.

So... do you think the current administration is going to distance themselves from her?

ttr


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Jun 06 - 09:52 AM

friends of the regieme rarely have to be distanced.

sHe will eventually make a bid on the House of Reprehensitives.

So get used to saying Congressman Ann Coulter.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: 282RA
Date: 14 Jun 06 - 12:42 PM

>>ever notice how 'conspiraacy theories' almost always are Democrats accusing Republicans?<<

Frankly no. Perhaps you could explain.

>>Ann Coulter is certainly provocative.<<

Thanks, we'd almost forgotten that.

>>And BTW... I'll bet she does write her own books...<<

She's crazy to put her name on that drivel otherwise.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Wesley S
Date: 14 Jun 06 - 01:12 PM

Donuel - according to my morning paper Ann Coulter has already tried to run for congress. She offered to run as a Libertarian but they turned her down.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Ebbie
Date: 14 Jun 06 - 01:50 PM

I expect to watch Jay Leno tonight. Maybe the lovely Ann will be all sweetness and light and heart and insight tonight.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: robomatic
Date: 14 Jun 06 - 05:10 PM

Here's as good a place as any to link to a website which likes to bring up teensy weensy issues about Bill O'Reilly:

sweetjesusihatebilloreilly.com


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Ron Davies
Date: 14 Jun 06 - 09:41 PM

Ron O--


"Same shoes, different feet". Sure sounds like moral relativism to me--and you have a record of that.

Perhaps I'm wrong--- in this particular case. If so, my apologies.   But you do have a history of it. You may want to be aware.

We might possibly not really need your instruction in how agitprop works. We might already know.

You were doing fine when you clearly opposed Ann--earlier in the thread. But please don't tell Mudcatters to ignore her--we're not about to buy her pathetic screeds--and we're just calling attention to her despicable conduct regarding the widows.   Somehow what we say on Mudcat is not likely to resonate elsewhere--life's just so terribly unfair. But we've managed to come to terms with our, to say the least, limited, clout. However, telling Mudcatters not to vent is not good tactics--you may get a response you consider an overreaction--in fact you recently did.

Best we end our dispute right here.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Ron Davies
Date: 14 Jun 06 - 09:43 PM

Thomas--

Interesting to know you don't mean a thing you say. I'll remember that for future reference.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Thomas the Rhymer
Date: 14 Jun 06 - 10:15 PM

Oh yeah...! You and who else, Rrroooonnnn! ;^)


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 14 Jun 06 - 11:21 PM

"However, telling Mudcatters not to vent is not good tactics--you may get a response you consider an overreaction--in fact you recently did."

Ron Davies - I am not sure what you are reading into my posts. Actually I did not tell anyone not to vent. When I say to "ignore her", I am speaking in terms of the public not reading her columns, buying her books, or watching her guest appearances on TV. As long as she is "selling", she will have a forum. When she becomes as relevant as Morton Downey, she will disappear.   

I don't advocate censorship or blacklisting, but I do feel that boycotting is another story. People speak with their vote and their pocketbook (in certain parts of the country that is the same thing.)

As to moral relativism, I never was big on philosphy or labels. I could not stand Ayn Rand because I do not believe in absolutes. I reserve the right to look for reason.

I enjoy healthy debate, and as long as we stay on subject and not get personal I don't consider ourselves to be having a "dispute".


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: kendall
Date: 15 Jun 06 - 05:41 AM

Just another successful mental case who spews the kind of low life rubbish that non thinkers like.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: GUEST,Larry K
Date: 15 Jun 06 - 12:24 PM

Bill O'Reilly often says that you can't defend bad behavior with other bad behavior.    I disagree.    I think if you put the hate rhetoric of the left against the hate rhethoric of the right the left would dominate.   

Let's compare Coulters comments against Air American says that Bush is a bigger terrorist than Al Zarqawi.   Let's compare democrats saying they hoped Bush died when he choked on a pretzel or that Clarence Thomas should eat lots of bacon and have a heart attack against when Bill clinton had a heart attack.   I dare anyone to name one prominant republican who wished Clinton to die.   For the record- Hannity, Limbaugh and other talk show hosts were very kind to Clinton and only wished him a speedy recovery- don't try to BS me.   I am happy to go mano a mano with any hate speech from democrats.

Someone asked what the point was of listing that Ann has sold over 1 million political books and campared that against romance novels.   The point was the word political.   Lots of people buy trashy romance novels.    More power to the authors who write them.   There are very few political writers who have sold more than a million books and even fewer who have sold 2 million.    That means that Ann is connecting with a huge number of people.   Her last books which was only a collection of previous essays sold over 300,000 copies.   

As far as looks, I know that many of you go for the strong masculine woman such as Madalaine Albright or Janice Reno or Hillary, but I'll take Ann, or Laura, or Kelly Anne any day.   I know I am in the minority, but I prefer woman to look like woman.   But hey, if Madalaine Albright or Janet Reno turn you on, more power to you.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Jun 06 - 12:26 PM

She looks ugly. Eyes, face.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Scoville
Date: 15 Jun 06 - 12:35 PM

Ron--Yay! Somebody else who didn't like Ayn Rand! I thought I was all alone.



I'm lost--why are we even talking about whether or not Ann Coulter is ugly? What does that have to do with anything?


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: GUEST,Larry K
Date: 15 Jun 06 - 01:20 PM

# 1 New York Times Best Seller.    This is her 5th straight book as number one best seller on the New York Times list.

Is there a liberal auther who has 5 straight number one best sellers on the new york times list?


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Peace
Date: 15 Jun 06 - 01:25 PM

As was said above, a book becoming a best seller reflects the public that buys the book, not necessarily the quality of the book. Lots of people voted for Bush. It says little about Bush.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Scoville
Date: 15 Jun 06 - 01:30 PM

I assume that this is the public at large, not the public who reads the New York Times, in which case they would be just reporting a statistic and not necessarily representing their own reader base.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Don Firth
Date: 15 Jun 06 - 07:59 PM

As I recall, The Da Vinci Code also rode high on the New York Times best seller list. But at least The Da Vinci Code was honest enough to be labeled as fiction, even though some folks didn't take it that way.

Yeah, being No. 1 on the New York Times best seller list is certainly a guarantee of high quality reading. Yup. It sure is!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Little Hawk
Date: 15 Jun 06 - 08:11 PM

Are you sure you didn't mean a "librle" auther (sic), Larry K?


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: dianavan
Date: 15 Jun 06 - 08:30 PM

Book sales do not indicate the politics of the people reading her stuff. I know people who read what Coulter says just so they know what they are up against.

Know your enemy!


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: GUEST,TSLIM
Date: 16 Jun 06 - 11:04 AM

To Don Firth

>> But at least The Da Vinci Code was honest enough to be labeled as fiction

Honest enough? Of course Da Vinci code is a fictitious novel(with disputable facts).

Godless is a... political commentary. Since when did a political commentary book become fiction?


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Peace
Date: 16 Jun 06 - 11:10 AM

'fictitious novel'

All novels--by definition--are fiction.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Don Firth
Date: 16 Jun 06 - 01:05 PM

It depends on the so-called "facts" the author of the political commentary draws on--or invents--as the basis for their commentary. The idea that the war widows AC is so contemptious of are enjoying the death of their husbands is a product of AC's sick imagination and her attempt to make her point, no matter how nasty--and libelous--she has to be. Fiction.   

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 16 Jun 06 - 03:31 PM

Hey Larry K who said "I dare anyone to name one prominant republican who wished Clinton to die.   For the record- Hannity, Limbaugh and other talk show hosts were very kind to Clinton and ***only wished him a speedy recovery*** - don't try to BS me."

***emphasis mine***

Kinda missed these didn't ya? Now how 'bout you don't try to BS us.


LIMBAUGH: "I understand it was gonna be a triple bypass, but then Clinton figured out his sympathy rating would go up to 87 percent with a quadruple."

SAVAGE: "We heard, of course, that hell was full and therefore Mr. Clinton will be with us for a while longer...So what, I'm supposed to sit here because he's a former president and go, "We wish him well" -- why? Why? Tell me why. Tell me why. Anyone got an answer to that one?"

SIMONE: "Bill Clinton had his operation today. He's fine. Everything went well. It was routine. Doctors say he'll be in the hospital for the rest of the week, and it looks like there's no way he'll be able to campaign for at least four weeks and probably a little longer, remember there's only seven, eight weeks left. So four, five weeks from now he'll be able to, you know, get out of the house and start doing stuff, but he won't be to really get back into action, so, and you know that Clinton, both Bill and Hillary Clinton, have to make sure John Kerry loses. They don't want this guy to win. If Kerry wins, it screws up Hillary's plans for '08. She wouldn't be able to run until 2012, so they want him to lose, and if you go back and study the campaign, there were a few moments here and there where Bill or Hillary did something to mess up John Kerry. There's a few of these episodes. And I'm not saying they staged the heart problem, but it just works out perfectly that now they don't have to do anything for him [Kerry] for at least a month..."


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Ebbie
Date: 16 Jun 06 - 03:41 PM

Oh, but Tia, there was love and compassion in their hearts...


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Ron Davies
Date: 17 Jun 06 - 08:46 AM

Ron O--

"Ignore her"--it's a reasonable interpretation that you are telling Mudcatters to ignore her-- i.e.   stop talking about her.

It is a bit disingenuous to say we had no dispute--especially based on your rather pointed PM to me.

Also, perhaps you don't know what moral relativism is--nothing to do with Ayn Rand--
that's "objectivism" as I recall--which is a wretched way to live.

Moral relativism, as I understand it, is saying that we should not complain about what one individual does, since other individuals are not perfect. To pick a purely theoretical example, "We are all Martin Gibsons"--or recently, that Ann Coulter's behavior is roughly equivalent to that of Abbie Hoffman--which seemed to be what you were implying.

It should be obvious to you that both these statements are obnoxious drivel.

Since "Martin"s departure, how many people, seeking advice on Mudcat, have been told their problems are their own fault? (admittedly, CH does sometimes carry on the tradition). How many times have impossible sex acts been suggested in answer to a question? How many times has Pete Seeger been vilified for supporting a particular cause? How many times has somebody been told they are not a "real Christian" or "real Jew" since they have a political view that differs with that of the poster? How many times has somebody been mocked for a physical problem?

This is why "Martin" should have been removed. I have no idea why it wasn't done years ago--but your sort of attitude--liberal guilt gone completely bonkers?-- is perhaps one of the reasons. "We are all Martin Gibsons" was colossally wrong--and unhelpful--when you said it. That's why your linking of Abbie Hoffman and Ann Coulter was a red flag--to me it sounded like more moral relativism.

As I said, best we end the dispute right here.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Ron Davies
Date: 17 Jun 06 - 08:49 AM

Obviously there are other reasons "Martin" should have been removed, but there's no point to enumerating each one. I'm sure you understand.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 17 Jun 06 - 09:28 AM

Ron - it is obvious that you have established notions and you will look to find a link in anything I say that justifies your opinion. I never told Mudcatters to stop complaining, I never suggested that Ayn Rand was preaching moral relativism (admittedly I brought her name up as another philosophy that I abhor because it of the way it approaches absolutes - which you appear to be doing), and I did not say that Ann Coutlers BEHAVIOR was equivalent to Abbie Hoffmans (they used the same tools - agitprop - but as I stated earlier with different messages.)

When I said "we are all Martin Gibsons" I was referring to the behavior that you have been showing me and others in these forums. You choose to attack the person, won't listen to reason, and refuse to have a civil discussion. I've never asked you or anyone else to agere with me. You choose to slap down me and ignore a discussion of opinion. You are chasing people away just as Martin did.

You can slap whatever label you wish on my thoughts if you have a need to compartmentalize thinking the way you do. When I brought up Ayn Rand I was referring to her black & white take on everything. You seem to have the same issues. If person X does something wrong, there can be no discussion that explores the root of the problem. Comfortable conservatism perhaps?

I have tried to keep away from these BS forums for the very reasons that you have shown. It appears that you wish to monopolize the way all of us think.   Have yourself a real good time.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Ron Davies
Date: 17 Jun 06 - 09:44 AM

Ron O--

There's a huge difference between the way "Martin" behaved and carrying on a debate--even agressively.   You should be able to recognize that in political discussions, which this is, people have strong opinions--it's even possible that I am not the only one to have strong opinions. You did not help Mudcat a bit in making excuses for "Martin". We are not "all Martin Gibsons"--and never were. If you don't recognize that, there's no help for you.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Ron Davies
Date: 17 Jun 06 - 10:06 AM

Ron O--

The ironic thing, of course, is that both of us recognize that Ann Coulter's behavior, the subject of the thread, is despicable. I've invited you twice just to drop our dispute right now--but you have not accepted the invitation. Again, it's time to drop it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 17 Jun 06 - 10:13 AM

Of course there is HUGE difference, but you would not recognize that I acknowledge that. You are completely wrong when you say that I made excuses for Martin. Dead wrong. I pointed out that others exhibited the same behavior patterns that he did. Being a sexist, racist isn't the only way to be an ass. What you and others have shown is that is okay to behave in an obnoxious way until you cross a certain line. My arguement is that the "line" is not justification of the behavior period. This is not "moral relativism", this is reason.   You refuse to comprehend what I was saying when I made that remark Martin Gibson, yet you continue to exhibit exactly the tendancies that I was trying to explain.

I apologize to everyone else for wasting time with this discussion. I'm not sorry to see Martin gone, for the most part the conversations are civil, but I am still not sure I like the new country club. Same problems, different faces?


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Ron Davies
Date: 17 Jun 06 - 05:10 PM

Well, Ron O, as I recall, you weren't exactly helpful in dealing with "Martin". So sorry you don't think things have improved since his departure.   I venture to say you are in a minority there.

Just consider the list I made of delightful habits he had--which we no longer see.

But political discussions are not always love-fests--sorry to break it to you--nor are they likely to be in the near future.

However, even the music threads have improved, in my view--that is after all where the late lamented "Martin" made his attack on Pete Seeger--and informed everyone in no uncertain terms that no guitars but Martin and Gibson existed--and that they couldn't possibly be musicians if they thought differently.

But this might possibly be thread creep. Why don't we just let it go?-- both of us strongly
oppose dear Ann, and that's what it's all about.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Big Mick
Date: 17 Jun 06 - 06:30 PM

The last word goes to .........


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: GUEST,Ann the Vamp Coulter
Date: 17 Jun 06 - 06:34 PM


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: GUEST,Alice
Date: 17 Jun 06 - 07:12 PM

I agree with Ann. They are making it on the back of death. Saw George Best's ex on European television on Wednesday, you could just about see her through the thick make up and head full of bleach. She re launched her book about her love for George after his death.
Grieving widows my ass.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Ron Davies
Date: 17 Jun 06 - 07:23 PM

Was George Best killed on 9-11? If not, your comment, Alice, is totally meaningless as regards Ann Coulter. It would be good if you would read about the topic before sounding off.

Awaiting your answer as to in which of the Twin Towers George Best was killed.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: GUEST,Alice
Date: 17 Jun 06 - 07:54 PM

9/11 Grieving widows my ass Ron. Happy now ?


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Ron Davies
Date: 17 Jun 06 - 07:58 PM

Typical Bushite--never important to put brain in gear before mouth. Heaven forbid you'd actually find out about a subject before favoring us with your wisdom. Or are you perhaps Doug R incognito? Somehow I don't think "Alice" is female.

Have a good evening. I have better things to do than waste time on you.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Don Firth
Date: 17 Jun 06 - 10:09 PM

I believe there was a character in the comic strip "Popeye" called "Alice the Goon."

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Jun 06 - 10:12 PM

Sopranos, what are you going to do?


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Don Firth
Date: 17 Jun 06 - 10:15 PM

Voici.   (Action figure)

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: frogprince
Date: 17 Jun 06 - 10:34 PM

From that last link: "Alice the Goon stands 6" tall and includes Sweat Pea."

Shouldn't that be "Sweat Pee" ?


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Ebbie
Date: 17 Jun 06 - 10:58 PM

Pee, they say, is sterile. And in this case that is a good thing.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Peace
Date: 17 Jun 06 - 11:33 PM

"Urine: Liquid waste. The urine is a clear, transparent fluid. It normally has an amber color. The average amount of urine excreted in 24 hours is from 40 to 60 ounces (about 1,200 cubic centimeters). Chemically, the urine is mainly an aqueous (watery) solution of salt (sodium chloride) and substances called urea and uric acid. Normally, it contains about 960 parts of water to 40 parts of solid matter. Abnormally, it may contain sugar (in diabetes), albumen (a protein) (as in some forms of kidney disease), bile pigments (as in jaundice), or abnormal quantities of one or another of its normal components."

Imagine someone with a very bad case of gonorrhea . . . .


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 18 Jun 06 - 01:06 AM

It isn't worth it. This is far from a political discussion. Bye!


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Ebbie
Date: 18 Jun 06 - 02:34 AM

Ron O, how much more of a political discussion do you think Coulter deserves?

Peace, I've only heard that, never tried it. I suppose that if you were dying of thirst you could drink it - if your body is healthy. *G*


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Don Firth
Date: 18 Jun 06 - 01:07 PM

From Ann Coulter to comic strip characters to urine.

Works for me. . . .

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Peace
Date: 18 Jun 06 - 01:11 PM

Logical progression.

Urine is not good to drink because of the acids and waste in it. The 'sterile' connotation comes from its use on bad acne years ago. It does have a 'drying' property to it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Amos
Date: 18 Jun 06 - 03:57 PM

In extreme emergencies you can recycle urine, but there is a limit -- I think it is two times...before the ingestion becomes too toxic to be processed.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Peace
Date: 18 Jun 06 - 04:42 PM

Tribe in north central South America ingests a herb or tree bark (can't remember. It may be something else) then drink their own urine for its psychadelic properties.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Little Hawk
Date: 18 Jun 06 - 04:44 PM

There's a tradition in Ayurvedic medicine for drinking (some of) one's own urine (for therapeutic purposes), but only when it's fresh!

Yeah, I'm serious.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Peace
Date: 18 Jun 06 - 04:50 PM

Well, there is likely a fortune to be made here with grants from the Feds. We wish to do a study to determine what 'taking the piss' REALLY means. Therefore, we submit the following proposal . . . . .


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Alice
Date: 18 Jun 06 - 05:09 PM

Hey, all, just noticed a guest calling himself/herself Alice.
It's not me.
Alice (Mudcat member since 1997 who doesn't agree with Ann Coulter)


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Jun 06 - 05:14 PM

Nobody would mistake you for her, Alice.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Ebbie
Date: 18 Jun 06 - 05:30 PM

I agree with Guest. I seriously doubt that anyone here thought it was you, Alice!


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Ron Davies
Date: 18 Jun 06 - 09:44 PM

Don't worry, Alice, nobody thought it was you. I'm convinced it's a guy who just decided to take the name Alice to stir the pot a bit. It was after all "Guest, Alice" when Mudcat wasn't down.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Don Firth
Date: 19 Jun 06 - 01:34 AM

Not to worry. No way could GUEST,Alice ("Alice the Goon") be mistaken for the real Alice.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Dickey
Date: 18 Mar 07 - 12:02 PM

Ann Coulter at her book signing

Cindy Sheehan at her book signing


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Amos
Date: 18 Mar 07 - 01:32 PM

Scuzzball.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Peace
Date: 18 Mar 07 - 01:34 PM

Why use nice words? He's an asshole. Period.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Ron Davies
Date: 18 Mar 07 - 01:41 PM

He can't help it. He's just a Bushie. You must lower your expectations.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Ron Davies
Date: 18 Mar 07 - 01:55 PM

And just remember:

1) Bush is a lame duck--and getting lamer every day.

2) Whatever happens, in less than 2 years, in less than 2 years he'll just be a bad dream--(except for all the death and destruction caused by his policies.)


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Peace
Date: 18 Mar 07 - 02:03 PM

"Subject: RE: BS: The march on DC for Impeachment 3/17/07
From: Dickey - PM
Date: 18 Mar 07 - 10:40 AM

Bobert: were there any Fags, Gooks, Rag Heads or Camel Jockeys there or just the normal Bushite neanderthal goons?"

What more can a guy say about himself?


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Thomas the Rhymer
Date: 18 Mar 07 - 02:26 PM

Thanks for the picture, dickey... it's going into my 'desktop collection'.

BTW... John Edwards' new 'country getaway' certainly is a modest assertion of his 'populist' persuasion... ;^)

I won't tout Ann's choice of epithets on Mr. Edwards tho... I think she actually meant to convey her contempt for his 'spineless' convictions... and in this respect I am bound to agree with her a'plenty...
ttr


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Ron Davies
Date: 18 Mar 07 - 02:52 PM

So now we know how much respect to accord your opinions, Thomas. Thanks so much. I can't say I'm that surprised.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Ebbie
Date: 18 Mar 07 - 02:54 PM

BTW... John Edwards' new 'country getaway' certainly is a modest assertion of his 'populist' persuasion... ;^)


Very good of you not to "tout" Coulter's epithet, ttr. Dismayed to learn you agree with her. The contempt I feel for people like Coulter is enough to keep me from believing *anything* she says. In the event she ever says something truthful, helpful or unhateful, I'll wait for someone else to say it and then laud the sentiment.

How anyone with a smidgen of brain and a modicum of decency could sit there and admire the woman is beyond me.

As to Edwards' new and huge home- I wonder if the people who decry someone else's "country getaway" as being too lavish, expensive and whatever else are only demonstrating their green faces - and I do NOT mean green as in environmentally caused. I suspect that, given the resources, those same people would be out there a-buildin'.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Thomas the Rhymer
Date: 18 Mar 07 - 03:07 PM

Always a pleasure to get the carp kicked out of me by the peaceniks... ;^)

Ron... as usual... your demagoguery is pure lobodomy... will you ever be able to actually live your convictions?... like, well... celebrate diversity...

Ebbie... I'd like to love you, but it would probably just piss you off even more to be really satisfied...;^)

Do I need to remind you that nice is the 'more productive' option?
ttr


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Don Firth
Date: 18 Mar 07 - 03:14 PM

"Do I need to remind you that nice is the 'more productive' option?"

Uh. . . .

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Peace
Date: 18 Mar 07 - 03:17 PM

Peacenik my ass.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Ebbie
Date: 18 Mar 07 - 03:27 PM

"Do I need to remind you that nice is the 'more productive' option?" ttr

Oh, no. Are you another of those who think that because you don't use 'bad language', you are being nice? Quoting Ann Coulter in an admiring way in my opinion already puts you


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Ebbie
Date: 18 Mar 07 - 03:32 PM

"...WAY beyond the pale."


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Peace
Date: 18 Mar 07 - 03:34 PM

"He can't help it. He's just a Bushie. You must lower your expectations. "

You ask the impossible.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Thomas the Rhymer
Date: 18 Mar 07 - 03:34 PM

Ya missed me,
Ya missed me...
Now ya gotta kiss me!

This was the hue and cry of the second grade recess games back in gradeschool... and... why do they apply here?

Sorry, Don...
but yer progeny's isms jus' ain' got yer tact...
and the left's jus' betta go clean up it's act.
ttr


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Ebbie
Date: 18 Mar 07 - 03:42 PM

OK. I'll calm down. Let me request you- clearly and dispassionately- to tell us one thing that anyone should admire about that woman's views.

Then go on and do the same for Rush Limbaugh. (I recognize your feathers.)

We are - I am - waiting.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Peace
Date: 18 Mar 07 - 03:47 PM

The thread title says that "Ann Coulter scrapes bottom". Stop competing with her for the title, Thomas.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Thomas the Rhymer
Date: 18 Mar 07 - 04:20 PM

OK... sure peace... it's all about me, isn't it?

NOT!
You won't find me competing with Ann for anything.

Like Bill Maher says about 'his friend' Ann Coulter... "we just don't 'go there'..." What's the big problem around here? Seems you've had your wagons circled for so long around here that your children are giving birth to your concerns...

Ebbie... Limbaugh has had his foot in his mouth so long he's started thinking he was born with two tounges...:^)

But Ann skirts some truths that the left has kept stowed away deep in it's subconscious for generations... She's got her finger on the pulse of the 'dark side' of the 'liberal mindset', and no matter how unpleasant it may be to accept it... Ann manages to 'nail it'. Untill you sit up and take notice of what she's so pissed off about, you will be constantly wondering why the democrats are so... ahhhhh... gullible.
ttr


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Peace
Date: 18 Mar 07 - 04:24 PM

I didn't say that, Thomas. I happen to think you are a fine person, fine poet. And there is NO way on this earth I would ever believe you could support someone like Ann Coulter. I want that on record, because there is no friggin' way I would believe that of you.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Ron Davies
Date: 18 Mar 07 - 04:33 PM

Thomas--

Ann is rich. John is rich.

John is trying to alleviate poverty, press for programs for the poor.

Ann--are you kidding?

Fascinating that you identify with Ann--the embodiment of selfishness.

Very revealing. But, as I said, not surprising.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Don Firth
Date: 18 Mar 07 - 04:39 PM

I find that Ann Coulter's nastiness tends to rub off on those who seem to enjoy her screeds and diatribes. And as far as her pointing out any actual deficiencies in liberal positions, from what I have read of her stuff or heard her say, she's all heat, no light.

There are those who would claim that Ann Coulter worships the Devil. Wrong. The Devil worships Ann Coulter.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Greg F.
Date: 18 Mar 07 - 04:54 PM

Ann Coulter is a psychopathic personality. Not pundit, not commentator- psychopath. And an intensely annoying one at that.

As far as her scaping bottom goes, not so fast: I fear there is no plumbing the depths she can or will sink to.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Thomas the Rhymer
Date: 18 Mar 07 - 07:15 PM

Ron Davies... I don't Identify with Ann, I simply try to understand what she is saying. I am fascinated too... by your own self centeredness ie... your need to continue insulting me long after I apologized to you for what I felt to be my part in our incessant turmoil.

Peace... As I scan the medial horizon, I find a great deal of press to the effect of "if the democrats can get it together"... from both sides of the isle.

Don Firth... Ann's 'nastiness' is matched in intensity but not in form all over this forum... and though it may take a different form as it comes from those who disagree (however vehemently) with her... I find it to be just as negative.

Greg... I don't agree. Ann is no 'psychopath'. Look it up, and you'll see it doesn't apply. If you were to say 'sociopath'... at least we could have a discussion about it...
ttr


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Peace
Date: 18 Mar 07 - 07:24 PM

Now YOU are asking the impossible. The Dems will be at each other's throats as the election gets closer. It is as much about winning as it is about right/wrong. The Dems are as cheaply opportunistic as the Repubs. IMO. A pox on both their houses.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Donuel
Date: 18 Mar 07 - 07:57 PM

Ann Coulter is a fellow homo sapeins who deserves the same respect any homo sapeins is entitled to. However she is not a human being in my opinion.

Sadly some insiders have let it slip that she suffers from Hepatitis C which might possilbly explain some of her behavior, mistakes and emaciation.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Peace
Date: 18 Mar 07 - 08:14 PM

Ann Coulter will be yesterday's news in no time. She will not even merit a mention in history books. She's been and is a sick woman. The 'boombox' is busted. Let her die a quiet death, and hope that more one person mourns her passing.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Thomas the Rhymer
Date: 18 Mar 07 - 09:17 PM

Liberal hegemony? Naw... none o dat 'ere...

But Male hegemony... perhaps you'd like it this way...

But the persistant problem continues... perhaps Ann is not as dumb as you'd like her to be.

And... BTW... Donuel... I've read your posts, and you've got so much to give... and I thank you for it... but that last one was creepy.
ttr


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Dickey
Date: 19 Mar 07 - 12:25 AM

Amos:

In the US, calling someone scuzzy or a scuzzball is pejorative and offensive.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/terrorism/story/0,12780,1583684,00.html

Pages in category "Pejorative terms for people"

    * Asshole....
    * Redneck

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Pejorative_terms_for_people


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Ebbie
Date: 19 Mar 07 - 01:03 AM

What? You mean 'scuzzball' in the US is considered pejorative and offensive? Well, I declare.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Mar 07 - 07:59 AM

Yipes, Peace you do have a vengeful side at times.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Amos
Date: 19 Mar 07 - 10:54 AM

Dick:

If one of those other shoes fits better, feel free to wear it.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Greg F.
Date: 19 Mar 07 - 10:54 AM

psychopathyn: Mental disorder, esp: extreme mental disorder marked usu. by egocentric and antisocial activity.

(Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary)


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 19 Mar 07 - 11:14 AM

Greg- you've just described 90% of Mudcatters!!! (Myself included of course!!!)

Seriously, whatever problems she has are something that she and her family need to deal with. The rest of us need to stop giving her attention that she craves.

While I never had a conversation with her other than a "hello", I have been in the same room with her on a number of occasions when she was a guest at a cable network where I used to work. She was quite pleasant and cooperative with the crew. In her younger days, she used to follow the Grateful Dead! The person I saw was normal. In my opinion, her growing fame enabled her to spout controversial statements because she knows what sells. She is an entertainer, not a pundit.

She does not have the power unless we give it to her by paying attention. She is her own worst enemy.   Watch her self destruct.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Ebbie
Date: 19 Mar 07 - 11:45 AM

"She is an entertainer, not a pundit."

Yeh. An entertainer, along with the likes of Lumbaugh.

It says sad things about us.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Amos
Date: 19 Mar 07 - 01:10 PM

There has always been a segment of our nation composed of low-lifes, the kind who will turn to at a witch-burning and scream in hatred at a Commie-burning or a lynching, who join any mob that makes noise loud enough or on the right frequency, and will comply -- usually in the basest way -- with any button pusher who comes along.

Barnum knew his stuff when he said "There's a sucker born every minute". Carnie sideshows suck them in with mystery. Political manipulators suck them in with hatred and fear. Snake-oil salesmen play on the terrors of potential illness, and convincing people they are the same as their meat-tickets.

Ann Coulter learned that by being as hateful as she can she could make people flinch and throw money. Limbaugh, Hannity, and the deep-voiced flailing preachers of cable TV do the same thing. Everyone wants to fleece the sheep. Unfortunately this reduces them to the same level of idiocy as those they fleece.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Ebbie
Date: 19 Mar 07 - 01:13 PM

The incomprehensible phenomenon to me is that each and evrey one of them seems to think they are the REAL Americans. They don't seem ashamed of themselves.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 19 Mar 07 - 01:20 PM

It isn't just Limbaugh, Hannity and Coulter. Don't think for a moment that Moore, Franken and Rhodes are any different. Because they wrap themselves in a cause we believe in does not make them any less than the shills that fleece the masses.   They aren't REAL Americans any more or any less than the rest of them.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Peace
Date: 19 Mar 07 - 01:33 PM

Patriots shout promises
And fools salute a flag
While the country that it represents
Is torn apart like rags
It's not just done in fact
It's done indeed


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Amos
Date: 19 Mar 07 - 01:52 PM

Franken goes to a lot of trouble to get his facts straight and to follow them up a bit deeper than some. Also, he always leavens his assertions with a generous dollop of humor, even self-deprecating humor. This is not an attribute I have ever heard used in describing Coulter or Limbaugh, for example. Just an observation. Ihave also never heard Franken resort to vitriol of the kind that spew out of Coulter and Limbaugh routinely. Not that I have heard everything he's ever said.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: GUEST,Seiri Omaar
Date: 19 Mar 07 - 02:18 PM

Thomas-
Yes, we may be acting exceedingly nasty, just as AC does. But are we influencing a good chunk of the American population (and we Canadians too) and making a disgusting profit out of it?

No sir. That is the difference in my mind, and exactly why I find AC so particularly revolting.

Cheers, Seiri.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Dickey
Date: 19 Mar 07 - 02:48 PM

Amos: "Bush Impeachment A Rallying Cry for Anti-War Movement"

Yes Amos, there has always been a segment of our nation composed of low-lifes, the kind who will turn to at a flag-burning and scream in hatred at a Anti War Rally, who join any mob that makes noise loud enough or on the right frequency, and will comply -- usually in the basest way -- with any button pusher who comes along.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Peace
Date: 19 Mar 07 - 02:57 PM

And there have always been dumb fucks who support even the grossest illegal actions of their governments.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Amos
Date: 19 Mar 07 - 03:16 PM

Dickey:

Look, man...if you want to promote war, and enjoy the notion of killing people with explosives, ruining families, blowing arms and legs off of children, and so on, why have at it.

I think such activity is a confession of gross incomeptence on the part of a government except in cases of extreme provocation. I think it is a bad idea all around. I think it breeds future hatred, leaves people reeling and bleeding and widows keening in the night, and is just a stupid course of action in most cases.

But get your pleasures where you can.

And keep your puerile copycat routine on the playground where it belongs.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 19 Mar 07 - 03:23 PM

So Dickey, you've chosen to join the mob because you feel that the button pusher you follow is correct? That entitles you to burn the flag of others and scream in hatred at those who don't think you like?

Doesn't that make you feel a little bit ashamed?


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Riginslinger
Date: 19 Mar 07 - 09:48 PM

What happens when Ann Coulter recovers from anorexia?


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Ron Davies
Date: 19 Mar 07 - 09:51 PM

Thomas--


Plus ca change... ( sorry, I don't have French diacritical marks.)

It turns out I don't even need to make up a new posting--just cite my old posting to you of 14 June 2006 9:43 PM:

"Interesting to know you don't mean a thing you say. I'll remember that for future reference".

Anybody who defends Ann Coulter--in anything--needs to have a pretty tight argument in doing so. Sorry to say yours does not make the cut.


It's a good thing most "rhymers" don't share your charming penchant for opening your mouth without putting your mind in gear. It would be just about enough to give poetry a bad name. Not that I would want to cast aspersions on your mental processes, of course.

But you cite your earlier apology. Just imagine, if you actually thought before hitting "send", you wouldn't have to apologize.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: GUEST,Scoville
Date: 19 Mar 07 - 09:56 PM

Plus ca change... ( sorry, I don't have French diacritical marks.)

All you need is alt-key codes.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Ron Davies
Date: 19 Mar 07 - 10:04 PM

Thanks. I'll have to look into that.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Ron Davies
Date: 19 Mar 07 - 10:06 PM

I have an i-Mac--which I know also has the marks--but I don't know my way around it that well.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 19 Mar 07 - 10:07 PM

"Franken goes to a lot of trouble to get his facts straight and to follow them up a bit deeper than some."

I'm not sure if that is accurate either.   Then again, does it really matter to what degree they utilize their skills? A prostitute is a prostitute regardless of whether they turn one trick or dozens. They both might have hearts of gold, but they are equally guilty.

Don't get me wrong- I'm not saying that Franken or the others are wrong. The left needs more people like them simply because they could never play the game the way the conservatives have done. Circus entertainers like Limbaugh, Hannity and Coulter have years of experience at going for the laugh and captivating the audience.   The progressive movement has not had a key media mover since Abbie Hoffman decided to check out.   The left has played the role of the good little kid in the schoolyard and kept turning the other cheek while the big bully beats the crap out of him.   It is time to knock Coulter, Limbaugh & crew off the perch they have stuck firmly up their asses. The world is on to their lies and parlour tricks.

Just take it with a grain of salt. Both sides need to play the media circus and the final result depends on open minds who are willing to communicate, compromise and progress.   You won't do through the boob tube.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Ron Davies
Date: 19 Mar 07 - 10:12 PM

Ron O--

Still at your old moral relativism tricks. There is a difference between Franken and Coulter--other than on the political spectrum. If you can't see it, there's no hope for you.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Thomas the Rhymer
Date: 19 Mar 07 - 10:27 PM

Ron D--

Still at your old liberal demagogue tricks. There is a similarity between Franken and Coulter--other than on the political spectrum. If you can't see it, there's no hope for you.

But then... I'm an idiot 'cause you say so.
ttr


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 20 Mar 07 - 08:29 AM

Ron Davis - what is your problem? Why on earth are you turning on me instead of trying disagree with my points? Why are you acting like such a bigoted hypocrite when supposedly you are a "progressive". You are far from it. If instead of debating my points you choose to attact me, it merely shows that you lack a point.   

If you really read what I was saying, you would notice that I did not say that Franken and Coulter are "similar", but they work the same jobs and use the same tactics. A fry cook at MacDonalds and a chef at the Four Seasons are both in the restaurant business and follow similar procedures when preparing food. The difference stops there. What I was saying about Franken and Coulter is that they are entertainers who use similar styles to get their points across. Sure there are differences, and I don't think Franken would ever use the derogatory terms that Coulter uses, but he can be brutal in his own style - with the same effect.

I'm sorry if you can't understand that distinction. In your black and white world, there may be no place for "moral relativism" - but understand that is not something to ashamed of. Also understand that peoples philosophies do not fit neatly in the boxes that YOU choose to put them in. If all you are seeing is surface traits and you find a need to label people, then you are far from the liberal that you profess to be.   Use your head.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Amos
Date: 20 Mar 07 - 08:38 AM

Ron D:

It is all done with the option key. Hold it down and type "e" and you get an accent grave. Other combinations provide circonflex, ague, etc. As Iam using Windows at work I can't demonstrate.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 20 Mar 07 - 09:47 AM

Ron Davies - not that it means anything, but I want to apologize for some of the things I said in my last post.   Some of your comments hit a "flash point" and I reacted, probably in the way you expected. This is also the tactic of the Coulters and Frankens of the world - it gets a reaction. Sometimes the results are for the better good.

This should not be a personal and public arguement between us, I think we both agree that Ann Coulter represents the worst of what our culture has become. While I may see other sides to the issues, I don't feel it excuses such behavior that she exhibits.

You can think of me what you will, but I don't choose sides based on party lines. I try to keep objective perspective and not follow a party line. If you choose to tag me as a moral relativist, that is your struggle - not mine.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Dickey
Date: 20 Mar 07 - 12:53 PM

Amos:

It is the Muslin extremists who "promote war, and enjoy the notion of killing people with explosives, ruining families, blowing arms and legs off of children, and so on" Not I


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Don Firth
Date: 20 Mar 07 - 01:54 PM

Just so everyone knows who we're talking about, The Wit and Wisdom of Ann Coulter:
"My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times Building."

"We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity."

From a segment on Fox News Service:
COULTER: I take the biblical idea. God gave us the earth.
PETER FENN (Democratic strategist): Oh, OK.
COULTER: We have dominion over the plants, the animals, the trees.
FENN: This is a great idea.
COULTER: God says, "Earth is yours. Take it. Rape it. It's yours."
FENN: Terrific. We're Americans, so we should consume as much of the earth's resources...
COULTER: Yes! Yes.
FENN: ... as fast as we possibly can.
COULTER: As opposed to living like the Indians.
"Cheney is my ideal man. Because he's solid. He's funny. He's very handsome. He was a football player."

"[Clinton] masturbates in the sinks."---Rivera Live 8/2/99

"The backbone of the Democratic Party is a typical fat, implacable welfare recipient" -- syndicated column 10/29/99

To a disabled Vietnam vet: "People like you caused us to lose that war."---MSNBC

On Princess Diana's death: "Her children knew she's sleeping with all these men. That just seems to me, it's the definition of 'not a good mother.' Is everyone just saying here that it's okay to ostentatiously have premarital sex in front of your children?"..."[Diana is] an ordinary and pathetic and confessional - I've never had bulimia! I've never had an affair! I've never had a divorce! So I don't think she's better than I am."-- MSNBC 9/12/97

"I think [women] should be armed but should not [be allowed to] vote."-- Politically Incorrect, 2/26/01

"If you don't hate Clinton and the people who labored to keep him in office, you don't love your country."-- George, 7/99

"Clinton is in love with the erect penis."-- This Evening with Judith Regan, Fox News Channel 2/6/00

"I think we had enough laws about the turn-of-the-century. We don't need any more." Asked how far back would she go to repeal laws, she replied, "Well, before the New Deal. The Emancipation Proclamation would be a good start."-- Politically Incorrect 5/7/97

"If they have the one innocent person who has ever to be put to death this century out of over 7,000, you probably will get a good movie deal out of it."-- MSNBC 7/27/97

"If those kids had been carrying guns they would have gunned down this one [child] gunman. ... Don't pray. Learn to use guns."-- Politically Incorrect, 12/18/97

"The presumption of innocence only means you don't go right to jail."-- Hannity & Colmes 8/24/01

"I have to say I'm all for public flogging. One type of criminal that a public humiliation might work particularly well with are the juvenile delinquents, a lot of whom consider it a badge of honor to be sent to juvenile detention. And it might not be such a cool thing in the 'hood to be flogged publicly."-- MSNBC 3/22/97

"Originally, I was the only female with long blonde hair. Now, they all have long blonde hair."-- CapitolHillBlue.com 6/6/00

"I am emboldened by my looks to say things Republican men wouldn't."-- TV Guide 8/97

"I think [Whitewater]'s going to prevent the First Lady from running for Senate."---Rivera Live 3/12/99

"My track record is pretty good on predictions."---Rivera Live 12/8/98

On Rep. Christopher Shays (D-CT) in deciding whether to run against him as a Libertarian candidate: "I really want to hurt him. I want him to feel pain."-- Hartford Courant 6/25/99

"My libertarian friends are probably getting a little upset now, but I think that's because they never appreciate the benefits of local fascism."---MSNBC 2/8/97

"The thing I like about Bush is he hates liberals."-- Washington Post 8/1/00
For your enlightenment and edification. But of course there are a few people here who would agree with everything she says.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: beardedbruce
Date: 20 Mar 07 - 02:04 PM

Don,

She has the same freedom of speech that you do. Shall I point out the number of times here on Mudcat that I have been told
"If you don't hate Bush and the people who labored to keep him in office, you don't love your country." ?

I guess the problem is you don't believe that anyone should be allowed an opinion that you do not agree with.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Peace
Date: 20 Mar 07 - 02:15 PM

Even without being on this site, she has managed to turn brother against brother and sister against sister.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Ebbie
Date: 20 Mar 07 - 02:28 PM

bb, you choose to put that down as a direct quote. Please cite your source.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: beardedbruce
Date: 20 Mar 07 - 02:34 PM

You are correct, Ebbie- I should NOT have put it in quotes, as I did not go back to get the exact wording. My apologies. It should have been

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She has the same freedom of speech that you do. Shall I point out the number of times here on Mudcat that I have been told 'If you don't hate Bush and the people who labored to keep him in office, you don't love your country.' or words to that effect? ?

I guess the problem is you don't believe that anyone should be allowed an opinion that you do not agree with.

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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Don Firth
Date: 20 Mar 07 - 02:40 PM

BB, there you go again, trying to mischaraterize what I say. Where, in anything I have posted, do I say that she should be denied freedom of speech?

And you've got it completely bass-ackwards. It's people like Ann Coulter, and apparently you as well, who claim that those who are critical of the Right are "unpatriotic."

By attacking those with whom you disagree in the manner you do, you give a fairly good indication of the level of your own integrity.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Amos
Date: 20 Mar 07 - 02:51 PM

Dickey:

I thought you had made it pretty plain that you wanted to promote the war in Iraq.

Was this a misinterpretation on my part? If so, one of us needs Berlitz.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: beardedbruce
Date: 20 Mar 07 - 02:59 PM

"And you've got it completely bass-ackwards. It's people like Ann Coulter, and apparently you as well, who claim that those who are critical of the Right are "unpatriotic.""

1. MY point is that those on the LEFT have made the claim that those critical of THEM are unpatriotic, as well.

********"and apparently you as well"**********
Have I EVER made that claim? YOU are the one who is presently guilty of your accusation:
"By attacking those with whom you disagree in the manner you do, you give a fairly good indication of the level of your own integrity."


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Peace
Date: 20 Mar 07 - 03:20 PM

OK. Roun 2 will be starting with the next post.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Ebbie
Date: 20 Mar 07 - 03:38 PM

OK, bb. Your second effort was a good one. I know that you agree that unless one is writing fiction one should not imply a direct quote, unless one is prepared to back it up.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: beardedbruce
Date: 20 Mar 07 - 03:41 PM

"I know that you agree that unless one is writing fiction one should not imply a direct quote, unless one is prepared to back it up. "


I agree. I was cutting and pasting, and did not, as I admitted, go back to get the precise quote.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Don Firth
Date: 20 Mar 07 - 03:54 PM

Mischaracterizing again, BB. You may not have made the claim yourself, but you are currently busy defending someone who does. And your name-calling, such as claiming on another thread that because I am critical of the Bush administration, that somehow makes me a "bigot."

Give it a rest, Bruce. Try sticking to the point of the discussion and give the personal remarks a rest, and you'll look a whole lot less like you don't really have all that much to say.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: beardedbruce
Date: 20 Mar 07 - 04:14 PM

" because I am critical of the Bush administration, that somehow makes me a "bigot.""


No, I have never claimed that because you are critical of the Bush administration you were a bigot- I stated that your unreasonable blame of the Bush administration for not acting as you stated they should have in Sudan, when I pointed out that they had done EXACTLY what you said they should have done in that specific instance, was bigotry. Perhaps I should have used the words " unreasonable, insane and unjustified hate and intolerance" .


You persist, here and in other threads, of attacking the PEOPLE you disagree with, rather than the ideas they present. This, along with your refusal to admit anyone else has a valid opinion ( if it differs with your own), gives me reason to call your behaviour "bigotry"



bigotry definition
n.
The attitude, state of mind, or behavior characteristic of a bigot; intolerance.

bigotry synonyms
noun
Irrational suspicion or hatred of a particular group, race, or religion: intolerance, prejudice.




I find you are intolerant of others, especially those who you might describe as conservatives.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: beardedbruce
Date: 20 Mar 07 - 04:29 PM

Don,

You state "You may not have made the claim yourself, but you are currently busy defending someone who does."

My post was

"She has the same freedom of speech that you do. Shall I point out the number of times here on Mudcat that I have been told
"If you don't hate Bush and the people who labored to keep him in office, you don't love your country." ?

I guess the problem is you don't believe that anyone should be allowed an opinion that you do not agree with. "


How is that "defending" HER? I AM defending her, and YOUR, RIGHT to make unreasonable comments. There is no requirement that I agree with either of you.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Don Firth
Date: 20 Mar 07 - 08:09 PM

BB, There is an argument technique that I've noticed you use a lot, and it's pretty transparent. Perhaps you are not aware—but many others here are—that you use it as much as you do. You might profit be reading the following:
A straw man argument is a logical fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position. To "set up a straw man" or "set up a straw-man argument" is to create a position that is easy to refute, then attribute that position to the opponent. A straw-man argument can be a successful rhetorical technique (that is, it may succeed in persuading people) but it is in fact a misleading fallacy, because the opponent's actual argument has not been refuted.

Its name is derived from the practice of using straw men in combat training. In such training, a scarecrow is made in the image of the enemy with the single intent of attacking it.

One can set up a straw man in the following ways:
1.   Present a misrepresentation of the opponent's position, refute it, and pretend that the opponent's actual position has been refuted.
2.   Quote an opponent's words out of context -- i.e., choose quotations that are not representative of the opponent's actual intentions (see contextomy*)
3.   Present someone who defends a position poorly as the defender, refute that person's arguments, and pretend that every upholder of that position, and thus the position itself, has been defeated.
4.   Invent a fictitious persona with actions or beliefs that are criticized, and pretend that the person represents a group of whom the speaker is critical.
5.   Oversimplify a person's argument into a simple analogy, which can then be attacked.
Some logic textbooks define the straw man fallacy only as a misrepresented argument. It is now common, however, to use the term to refer to all of these tactics. The straw-man technique is also used as a form of media manipulation.

*Contextomy refers to the selective excerpting of words from their original linguistic context in a way that distorts the source's intended meaning, a practice commonly (and erroneously) referred to as the "fallacy of quoting out of context." The problem here is not the removal of a quote from its original context (as all quotes are) per se, but to the quoter's decision to exclude from the excerpt certain nearby phrases or sentences (which become "context" by virtue of the exclusion) that serve to clarify the intentions behind the selected words. Comparing this practice to surgical excision, historian Milton Mayer coined the term "contextomy" to describe its use by Julius Streicher, editor of the infamous Nazi broadsheet Der Stürmer in Weimar-era Germany. To arouse anti-semitic sentiments among the weekly's working class Christian readership, Streicher regularly published truncated quotations from Talmudic texts that, in their shortened form, appear to advocate greed, slavery, and ritualistic murder (Mayer, 1966). Although rarely employed to this malicious extreme, contextomy is a common method of misrepresentation in contemporary mass media (McGlone, M.S., Contextomy: The art of quoting out of context. Media, Culture, & Society, 27, 511-522).
In the interest of keeping this and other discussions honest.

Don Firth


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Subject: Not to change the subject or anythin' . . . .
From: Peace
Date: 20 Mar 07 - 08:16 PM

"RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom"

but if the thread title is true, she's having to stretch her arms waaaay up to do the work.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: beardedbruce
Date: 21 Mar 07 - 11:43 AM

Don,

You state: "BB, There is an argument technique that I've noticed you use a lot, and it's pretty transparent."

1. YOU are the one using the straw man argument- When I state YOU are a biogot, it is NOT because of your hate of the Bush administration- it IS because of YOUR statements about what Bush SHOULD have done, and DID. You hold him to blame when he DID WHAT YOU WANTED HIM TO.

2. If you have any examples here of my using that arguement, perhaps you would care to show me.

MY post was

"" because I am critical of the Bush administration, that somehow makes me a "bigot.""


No, I have never claimed that because you are critical of the Bush administration you were a bigot- I stated that your unreasonable blame of the Bush administration for not acting as you stated they should have in Sudan, when I pointed out that they had done EXACTLY what you said they should have done in that specific instance, was bigotry. Perhaps I should have used the words " unreasonable, insane and unjustified hate and intolerance" . "

YOUR statement that I was responding to is a classic case of the straw man arguement. I have noted some people here who blame anyone opposed to them with acting in the manner that they themselves have been acting. I guess I will have to number you among them.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Peace
Date: 21 Mar 07 - 11:44 AM

You know, you two guys would likely get along in real life. Just thought I'd mention that.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: beardedbruce
Date: 21 Mar 07 - 12:06 PM

Peace,

Probably. But as long as *I* am being accused, I will reply with my viewpoint.

Can I call on a panal of others ( say, you, BillD, and Wolfgang, all of whom I disagree with politically, but have some faith in your judgement of fact)) to look at our arguements, and see WHO is making the straw man arguements?

Or should I just let people think Don is right, when I have presented his own words saying that the Bush administration ( in regards to Sudan) HAS acted just as he wished?


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Amos
Date: 21 Mar 07 - 12:56 PM

Well, I think you should embark on a jint project, the two of you, to scrape Ann Coulter's bottom.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Ebbie
Date: 21 Mar 07 - 01:05 PM

But if they did that, Amos, the woman would completely disappear.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: beardedbruce
Date: 21 Mar 07 - 01:23 PM

Subject: RE: BS: Popular views of the Bush Administration
From: Don Firth - PM
Date: 15 Mar 07 - 10:33 PM

By the way, BB, if the Bush administration is so all-fired concerned about human rights, why aren't we in Darfur? Now there we could do a lot of good by stopping the slaughter.

But I hear diddly squat from both Bush and the Bush apologists about that.

Don Firth
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular views of the Bush Administration
From: Don Firth - PM
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 11:39 AM

Okay, BB.

"There you go, making judgments."

Exactly so! I don't buy the precept (no matter who said it) of "Judge not, lest ye be judged." I say, "Use your judgment. Judge—and be prepared to be judged for the judgments you make."

Point:   I don't recall the Bush administration considering much of anything that the U. N. said or did prior to our invasion of Iraq. Since when has that stopped the Bush administration from doing whatever it damn well pleased? And obviously it didn't please the Bush administration to do anything about the Darfur genocide. Could it be because the Chinese already have control over the Darfur oil fields and Bush doesn't feel ready to get into a brouhaha with the Chinese at this point? If we went in with strictly humanitarian reasons as our goal, along with a coalition of other concerned nations (a coalition that would be a lot easier to put together than the "coalition" that joined us in invading Iraq, and would have received world-wide approval rather than condemnation) that wouldn't be an issue.
....

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Subject: RE: The Horrors of Darfur
From: beardedbruce - PM
Date: 24 Feb 05 - 04:10 AM


From Sunday's Washington Post:

"the admnistration will continue to press other countries to press the United Nations to press Sudan's government. The uncertainty of this strataegy was immediately apparent after Mr Powell spoke. Brushing aside the evidence, France and Germany declined to call the killings genocide. ... China, the leading foreign investor in Sudan's burgeoning oil fields, said it might veto a tough Security Council resolution."

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Of course, those WERE the same countries that would not act against Iraq, in regards to UNR 1441. But:

EITHER the invasion of Iraq was wrong, in which case action in Darfur would be wrong, as it is opposed by the same countries,

OR the US SHOULD (have) take(n) action in Darfur, which implies the invasion of Iraq might be correct or wrong, but the opposition of those countries cannot be used to determine that.

You state that :

"If we went in with strictly humanitarian reasons as our goal, along with a coalition of other concerned nations (a coalition that would be a lot easier to put together than the "coalition" that joined us in invading Iraq, and would have received world-wide approval rather than condemnation) that wouldn't be an issue."

The BUSH ADMINISTRATION went to the UN, and tried that. (Just like about Iraq). YOU are now complaining that the Bush administration did not act: Yet you complain that they DID act in the case of Iraq.

The conclusion I see is that the approval of the UN IS NOT REQUIRED, when it is determined that action is needed. IN BOTH CASES.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: dianavan
Date: 21 Mar 07 - 01:24 PM

I do not watch Ann Coulter so I didn't realize how she makes her point by using negative stereotypes. This may be considered free speech to some but by using televison as your medium, I would consider it defamation or slander. I'm surprised she hasn't been sued.

She's welcome to her own opinion but she should not be free to spread hate.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: beardedbruce
Date: 21 Mar 07 - 01:34 PM

"She's welcome to her own opinion but she should not be free to spread hate. "


Free speech as long as YOU agree with it?

Defamation and slander are offences defined in law. "Spreading hate" could be used to describe a lot of what is presented here on Mudcat, in political discussions. I would no more limit what she can say ( though I do find it often crude and beyond what I would LIKE to hear said) than I would limit any other speech.


"If there is any principle of the Constitution that more imperatively calls for attachment than any other, it is the principle of free thought-not free thought for those who agree with us but freedom for the thought that we hate."

-Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes in United States v. Schwimmer (1929)


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Don Firth
Date: 21 Mar 07 - 01:39 PM

BB, your "nyaa nyaa, same to you!" responses are getting a little tedious.

I've said what I have to say and I'm not backing off on any of it. If you can't handle it, that's your problem.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: beardedbruce
Date: 21 Mar 07 - 01:48 PM

Don,

YOUR lack of presenting facts, and stating your opinion and judgement as FACT we all must accept, because YOU say it, is getting a little tedious.

I've said what I have to say and I'm not backing off on any of it. If you can't handle it, that's your problem.

I would call for an outside group to determine who is correct because, while I BELIEVE I am right, there always exists the posibility I am wrong and owe you an apology. Obviously, your worldview does not allow you to ever be wrong.

Must be nice.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: dianavan
Date: 21 Mar 07 - 02:05 PM

bb - Using television as a medium to spread hate is much more harmful than using the internet for discussion. If, however, the purpose of this forum was to spread hate, then I think that it, too, should be held accountable. Ann Coulter intentionally uses stereotypes and slander and she reaches a very wide audience.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: beardedbruce
Date: 21 Mar 07 - 02:39 PM

"Ann Coulter intentionally uses stereotypes and slander and she reaches a very wide audience. "

Slander she can be held accountable for- as for other speech, I would think that Obama, Hilary, and Gore also reach a very wide audience- Do you want for me to be able to censor THEIR words, in regards to stereotypes, to remove what I don't LIKE? How about if we let someone to MY right do so?

"I would give the Devil benefit of the law for my own safety's sake."


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Don Firth
Date: 21 Mar 07 - 02:40 PM

Okay, let's look at the evidence. How about the following exchange?
Subject: RE: BS: Popular views of the Bush Administration
From: Amos - PM
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 12:03 PM

Bruce:

Do not vent your bitterness on me with false assumptions. It is a bottomless pit of woe not worth the falling itno, to start that kind of a slanging match. Based on these petty forum scribblings you have no gauge or metric of what I feel about what.

A
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular views of the Bush Administration
From: beardedbruce - PM
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 12:13 PM

Amos,

That was the post from 2005 that I had posted. I was pointing out to Don that his blame of the Bush administration was not justified, and merely an example of his ( perhaps justified in other cases, but not this one) bigotry.

I am sure we slang enough at the time to fulfil both of our desires.
When I objected to being called a "bigot" by you—with no foundation at all—you responded thus:
Subject: RE: BS: Popular views of the Bush Administration
From: beardedbruce - PM
Date: 19 Mar 07 - 01:07 PM

Don,

"Main Entry: big•ot
Pronunciation: 'bi-g&t
Function: noun
Etymology: French, hypocrite, bigot
: a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance
- big•ot•ed /-g&-t&d/ adjective
- big•ot•ed•ly adverb "

If the shoe fits....

Your blame of the Bush administration for all the evils of the world demonstrate your bigotry.
To which, Amos responds:
Subject: RE: BS: Popular views of the Bush Administration
From: Amos - PM
Date: 19 Mar 07 - 01:23 PM

Bruce:

This is a bit like saying that accusing a killer of killing is bigoted. [Exactly, Amos--DF] The instantiations of the over-secretive, repressive, and destructive policies imposed on the nation by the current executive suite are legion. Their lies are legion; their economic blunders, legal evasions, and poor decisions are legion. Wherefore would it be bigotry to say so? Even in one instance missing some mitigating detail?

A
There is quite a bit more there, but it would seem that you like to accuse people of "bigotry" quite a bit. Do you even know what the word means? After all, I did post a dictionary definition of the word on that thread. But you seem to think it means "anyone who disagrees with what I believe." I guess that includes the Merriam-Webster dictionary too. So let's let other people decide, okay?

I'd suggest that you leave the epithets alone and stick to the discussion itself.

Now, back to the subject of this thread—

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: beardedbruce
Date: 21 Mar 07 - 03:03 PM

"There is quite a bit more there, "

Pity you did not bother with MY reply to Amos:

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Subject: RE: BS: Popular views of the Bush Administration
From: beardedbruce - PM
Date: 19 Mar 07 - 01:47 PM

Amos,

Because, AS I HAVE POINTED OUT, with supporting info, in THIS case the Bush administration TRIED to do exactly what Don suggested that they should have ( with the implication they did not) and was rebuffed by the UN in its ( the Bush administration's) efforts.


Hardly a case of "Even in one instance missing some mitigating detail?"

I have no problem with his, or your comments on other topics, regardless of whether I agree with your conclusions, but in THIS he is out of line, and beyond reasonable debate.
****************************************************************

"When I objected to being called a "bigot" by you—with no foundation at all—you responded thus:"

I stated the basis of my opinion- YOUR intolerance of the Bush administration, and irrational blaming of them FOR DOING WHAT YOU WANTED THEM TO DO!


"After all, I did post a dictionary definition of the word on that thread."

FACT- *I* was the one to post the definition of bigot, and later, bigotry-


. . a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices;

I have presented what I consider your intolerance- If you have any facts other than you do not like being held to account for demonstrating bigotry here, please present them.

Did you say that

"And obviously it didn't please the Bush administration to do anything about the Darfur genocide. Could it be because the Chinese already have control over the Darfur oil fields and Bush doesn't feel ready to get into a brouhaha with the Chinese at this point? If we went in with strictly humanitarian reasons as our goal, along with a coalition of other concerned nations (a coalition that would be a lot easier to put together than the "coalition" that joined us in invading Iraq, and would have received world-wide approval rather than condemnation) that wouldn't be an issue."

Did you say that

"By the way, BB, if the Bush administration is so all-fired concerned about human rights, why aren't we in Darfur? Now there we could do a lot of good by stopping the slaughter.

But I hear diddly squat from both Bush and the Bush apologists about that."

Did you present any evidence that my quote

"Date: 24 Feb 05 - 04:10 AM


From Sunday's Washington Post:

"the admnistration will continue to press other countries to press the United Nations to press Sudan's government. The uncertainty of this strataegy was immediately apparent after Mr Powell spoke. Brushing aside the evidence, France and Germany declined to call the killings genocide. ... China, the leading foreign investor in Sudan's burgeoning oil fields, said it might veto a tough Security Council resolution." "

Was NOT a true representation of what the Bush Administration tried to do?

Is THAT NOT an attempt to put together the coallition that YOU claim
"would be a lot easier to put together than the "coalition" that joined us in invading Iraq, and would have received world-wide approval rather than condemnation)" ?

WAS that attempt blocked by France, Germany, and China, nations that also blocked the attempt to have a UNR to force Iraq to comply with the previous UNRs?


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Dickey
Date: 21 Mar 07 - 05:08 PM

Amos:

"I thought you had made it pretty plain that you wanted to promote the war in Iraq."

No. I am just pointing out the fallacies in the arguments against it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Don Firth
Date: 21 Mar 07 - 07:00 PM

BB, the Bush administration didn't pay a helluva lot of attention the the U. N. when they invaded Iraq. You are conveniently forgetting that in your eagerness to attack me. If they were going to do something the U. N. hadn't sanctioned anyway, they could have saved the lives of a lot of innocent people in Darfur instead of "collaterally damaging" tens if not hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians that they, presumably, were trying to save from Saddam's tyranny.

Now if you want to try to jump me on the basis of tactics, and try to claim that we would have killed as many Sudanese as we have killed Iraqis, then have at it. I've got lots of data and I'm all ready for you.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Don Firth
Date: 21 Mar 07 - 08:06 PM

I can't imagine any reason that a clone might delete my post, but it was there on the "Popular views of the Bush Administration" thread yesterday. I had cut-and-pasted the definition of "bigotry" from the Merriam-Webster on-line dictionary and then proceeded to parse it for beardedbruce's enlightenment and edification.

The definition read in part ". . . a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance."

Okay, let's do it again. I stated first that I don't hate anyone, but I am intolerant of greed, lies, and corruption on the part of anyone, particularly elected officials. Greed, lies, and corruption are not a matter of race or ethnicity (which are not matters of choice), they are matters of character and integrity, which are matters of choice. Hating or being intolerant of people because of their genes or the background into which they were born is bigotry. Adopting a philosophy or political viewpoint, along with certain principles of individual or group behavior and joining a group of like-minded people is a matter of choice.

Since when has intolerance of dishonesty, lying, and fraud constituted "bigotry?"

Since, for some unfathomable reason, my post disappeared, I ask that question again.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Amos
Date: 22 Mar 07 - 09:40 AM

It's okay, Don. I am bigoted against liars, frauds, manipulators, and other members of the genus Weasel sapiens just like you are. Given that we share the smae prejudices and are both bigots of the same sort, let's start a whole collection of weasel jokes. Didjas hear the one about the weasel who was half-Italian? He made himself an offer he couldn't understand. When he took himself up on the deal, he double-crossed himself and ran off with the money. Haahhahha.

LEt's celebrate our bigotry against assholes, frauds, crims, perjurers, self-serving double-dealers, nutballs and whack jobs and corruption engineers, wherever they may be found.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Bill D
Date: 22 Mar 07 - 11:58 AM

I had not been keeping up with this thread, but started to read it this morning and saw MY name tossed in as a trustworthy judge of arguments. Geeeze....it's about time! *grin*
Well, Bruce, I have to say that I DO find you guilty of using various forms of the "straw man" fallacy on a number of occasions. As Don Firth's little list notes, the 'straw man' is often composed of little truths, arranged...restated...and emphasized differently to characterize someone's points in a bad light.....and I have tried to point out where you have done this on several occasions.

I simply do not have time to go collect examples right now and dissect them word by word and show how your occasional use of several types of "informal fallicies" make conducting these discussions harder. "Straw Man" is just the most common. It is VERY easy to assemble several 'sorta' true facts and come up with a conclusion that is not supported by them. It can be a very subtle and hard to clarify point...which is why people fall into it easily.

   (The first time I remember trying to show the problem was regarding Teresa Kerry's use of language on TV...yes, Democrats DO also spout off sometimes...


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Bill D
Date: 22 Mar 07 - 12:11 PM

**note**...I do realize that showing the use of fallacious arguments does not 'prove' one is wrong in about some conclusions, but only that they have not been properly supported....and since, bb, one of the things you are often trying to do, is to show that someone else's arguments are bad, this is a major issue to be explored.

More next week, maybe........


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: beardedbruce
Date: 23 Mar 07 - 08:16 AM

BillD,

"Well, Bruce, I have to say that I DO find you guilty of using various forms of the "straw man" fallacy on a number of occasions."

This is true, and I admit having done so. But in this case, could you look at the arguments presented, and inform me if this is one of those times. Perhaps I just don't see what Don is seeing.

If the consensus* is that I am wrong, I will of course apologise- But IMO I have not in this case acted as I have been accused of acting.


*of those judging on the logic, and not the viewpoint


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: beardedbruce
Date: 23 Mar 07 - 09:09 AM

Don,

You have missed my point, or are deliberatly using a strawman argument, as you accused me of.

I NEVER STATED that
"... intolerance of dishonesty, lying, and fraud constituted "bigotry?""

I stated that your hypocracy in BLAMING the Bush administration for doing nothing WHEN IN FACT THEY DID WHAT YOU SAID THEY SHOULD HAVE DONE was bigotry, demonstrating YOUR intolerance and unwillingness to even look at the facts before pronouncing Bush to be wrong.

Feel free to be intolerant of of dishonesty, lying, and fraud, but try to avoid it in your own statements as well.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: beardedbruce
Date: 23 Mar 07 - 01:43 PM

BTW, Don, when quoting for evidence be aware that people might just bring in the entire post...

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Subject: RE: BS: Popular views of the Bush Administration
From: beardedbruce - PM
Date: 19 Mar 07 - 01:07 PM

Don,

"Main Entry: big·ot
Pronunciation: 'bi-g&t
Function: noun
Etymology: French, hypocrite, bigot
: a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance
- big·ot·ed /-g&-t&d/ adjective
- big·ot·ed·ly adverb "

If the shoe fits....

Your blame of the Bush administration for all the evils of the world demonstrate your bigotry.
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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Don Firth
Date: 23 Mar 07 - 01:47 PM

BB, I am not going to bother to respond to your constant attempts to divert the discussion from the subject by attacking me, other than to say the following:   Let others read what I have posted, then, if they chose to, read your editorial comments about what you claim I have said, and make up their own minds. Fair enough?

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: beardedbruce
Date: 23 Mar 07 - 01:53 PM

Fair enough. I am willing to let the facts speak for themselves.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Don Firth
Date: 23 Mar 07 - 02:52 PM

"You have a right to your own opinions—but not your own facts."
                                     —the late Senator Patrick Moynihan

Words to live by. But the important thing is knowing which is which.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: beardedbruce
Date: 23 Mar 07 - 02:54 PM

Absolute, 100% agreement, Don.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Ebbie
Date: 23 Mar 07 - 02:57 PM

Y'all are on the same page, even if not necessarily in the same book. :)


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Riginslinger
Date: 23 Mar 07 - 10:04 PM

Ann Coulter doesn't have any bottom to scrape.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 24 Mar 07 - 08:32 AM

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070311/ap_on_en_tv/ap_on_tv_ann_coulter_2


A reasonable article on AC...


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Ron Davies
Date: 24 Mar 07 - 10:47 AM

Fans of Ann--

Sorry I haven't had a chance to get to Mudcat for a while--lots of rehearsals--doing thte Poulenc Stabat Mater, among other pieces, this Sunday. You'll have to accept my apology that responding to your arguments is somehow not the most burning issue in my life.






Thomas, Ron O and any other giant intellects who see parallels between Ann's attack on the widows and what Al says---

Please be so good as to cite just one remark by Al which is on a par with Ann's treatment of the widows--which you may have forgetten, is the genesis of this thread.

In vicious attacks on vulnerable individuals Ann beats Al handily.

It's fine for her to attack Bill Clinton--just as Al attacks Bush. It's not fine for her to attack widows--especially in the way she did.


This is the diffference I speak of.   If you have evidence against it, I'd like to hear it.

If you cannot find any such citations by Al, that will confirm that, as I've said, you are being sloppy thinkers--indeed, amazingly like the fuzzy-headed stereotype constantly being lampooned in the WSJ.

Thomas-- I don't think you're stupid--just lazy--and you have duped yourself into thinking that you can imitate Ann yourself--saying things you don't believe just for the reaction. The difference here however, is that some of us feel a poster should say what he or she believes--or be prepared to be called on it. And we don't care about our "ratings".

I'm curious to know whether you still think Ann would be "a great match for me---in real life". And if so, why this does not mean you "identify with her".

Awaiting your next brilliant posting.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Mar 07 - 11:56 AM

She's just a father Flanigan in a new wrapper.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Thomas the Rhymer
Date: 24 Mar 07 - 01:54 PM

The liberal demagogue is back... and he's treating us to his religious roots. Love and godspeed to your faith and religious life, Ron Davies.

Your steadfast determination to insult me and put me down are pheneomenal to witness, and your motives are transparent. You fight dirty, and use passive agressive techniques to appear the winner in what are obvious to most people as ad-hominem B.S.

I think you are *quite* a creep... like the inside joke is on anyone who isn't you... Funny... but when Ann does this, you go pat yourself on the back, never realizing how similar you and she are.

Ann Coulter... reaches a lot of people. It behooves us to figure out why... ESPECIALLY when and if we don't understand (the nice way to say 'hate' in this context) her rants or her propinquity to neo-con sensibilities...

Lot's of the time, I don't agree with her... mostly because she isn't much of a peace maker. She's more of a rable rouser... speaking in an esoteric tounge to an adoring crowd of 'like minded thinkers'.That's O.K. with me, because she's 'sharp as a tack', and she's got convictions that amount to more than 'sexual preference' and 'the normalization of sleaze'. Don't you get it? She's making the jokes...

... and Ron... ...you're the punchline.

I was once like you... and if you smoke next to a ex-smoker... you're probably gonna get an earfull...;^)
ttr


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Ron Davies
Date: 24 Mar 07 - 02:42 PM

More like Father Coughlin.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Ron Davies
Date: 24 Mar 07 - 02:51 PM

That's right, Thomas. I quote your own words to you. That's not fair, I admit. It's not reasonable that somebody should have to actually defend what he writes.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Ron Davies
Date: 24 Mar 07 - 02:52 PM

Pobre cito.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Amergin
Date: 24 Mar 07 - 03:03 PM

She looks like the the end result of a sex change operation.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Thomas the Rhymer
Date: 24 Mar 07 - 04:14 PM

Pobrecito? Oh Dio Mio!!! Desiderate parlare me della legittimità? Fantastico!
ttr


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Ron Davies
Date: 24 Mar 07 - 04:16 PM

No, Thomas, it's not Italian. Try again. I'm surprised you haven't heard it before. Poor boy.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Ron Davies
Date: 24 Mar 07 - 04:25 PM

Sorry about my typos. I should proofread better--especially if I expect others to do so. Mea culpa (No, Thomas, this does not mean you can assume I'm Catholic, just literate.)


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Amos
Date: 24 Mar 07 - 08:20 PM

The difference between Al Gore and Ann Coulter is that Al Gore is constrained by a sense of decency and decorum in his comportment; while Ms Coulter does not believes such things make any difference.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Ron Davies
Date: 25 Mar 07 - 08:12 PM

The question is whether Al Franken has said anything comparable to Ann Coulter--as far as vicious attacks on the vulnerable--as in the case of her attacks on the widows. I'm still waiting patiently for Coulter apologists--or anybody who alleges "they're both guilty" to provide even one remark which can be seen as evidence that he has done so.

So far, the silence is deafening.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Amos
Date: 25 Mar 07 - 08:37 PM

I am pretty sure that is not gonna happen, Ron. They are different classes of human.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Ron Davies
Date: 25 Mar 07 - 09:06 PM

I would tend to agree with you, Amos. Then the question becomes why her apologists on Mudcat never seem to think before they hit "send". I suppose we'll never learn that either.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Thomas the Rhymer
Date: 25 Mar 07 - 11:08 PM

Ouch! Please don't ask me to think, Ron...

Good point, though... Ann's comment about the 9/11 widows was well over the line, and showed us what 'bad humor' is all about. I guess it was part of the 'with us or against us' mentality that prevailed in the administration at the time. Seems the 'hawks' didn't appreciate all the clamoring about that a full investigation into 9/11 promised... in that it would be very distracting to a nation at war. From what I've read, The Jesrsey Gals were essentially the force behind the creation of the 9/11 commission...

My beef is with 'infotainment' in general. It just doesn't make good sense to get one's 'point of view' from entertainers... they are still just sound bytes.
ttr


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: GUEST,Bardan
Date: 26 Mar 07 - 10:20 PM

I'd say it's nigh on impossible to get an objective view on the TV. Ann Coulter is just at the really bad end of the spectrum. I'd be interested to hear opinions on English language Al Jazeera. I only saw it a few times before I moved and I can't get it over here. Seemed good to me though. On a par with the BBC quality wise and less obsessed with English Domestic news which isn't all that interesting if you're not living there. Just an opinion mind.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Ron Davies
Date: 28 Mar 07 - 09:10 PM

Haven't had a chance to get to this for a while. Interested to note, that, as Amos and I predicted, for some reason nobody--including our more rabid Bushites-- has managed to come up with a remark by Al Franken which compares--in viciousness and in the target--with the attack by dear Ann Coulter on the widows.

So much for "they're both guilty".

QED


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