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BS: Spying, Secrecy, and Presidential Power

Peace 24 May 06 - 10:11 AM
JohnInKansas 24 May 06 - 01:17 AM
catspaw49 24 May 06 - 01:06 AM
harpmolly 24 May 06 - 12:54 AM
catspaw49 24 May 06 - 12:13 AM
Ebbie 23 May 06 - 10:49 PM
harpmolly 23 May 06 - 10:27 PM
Bobert 23 May 06 - 09:21 PM
Ebbie 23 May 06 - 06:00 PM
Peace 23 May 06 - 05:53 PM
Amos 23 May 06 - 03:25 PM
Peace 23 May 06 - 03:21 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: Spying, Secrecy, and Presidential Power
From: Peace
Date: 24 May 06 - 10:11 AM

It's time folks began to see that all's not right in the US Gover'ment.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spying, Secrecy, and Presidential Power
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 24 May 06 - 01:17 AM

An easy listen(?) - not on a dial-up connection; but after I left it alone for an hour and came back and re-played it, an excellent program.

Most of what was said was old news to a few of us, although even that gained some additional perspective.

The one rather chilling tidbit tossed out, that I had NOT known about, was that judges on the "Security Court" are appointed by the Chief Justice of the US Supreme Court - who acts alone in this. I had looked for information on how the court was set up; but got only that the judges were appointed "by the Supreme Court" and for rotating and fairly short assignments. [note to self: verification?]

Guess whose new CJSC is sitting now.

So in 6 months or a year, when/(if?) the administration is forced to cease ignoring the court, the judges on the court will all have been appointed by the (alleged) criminal(s).(?)

Hitler could have taken lessons, instead of t'other way around.

John


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Subject: RE: BS: Spying, Secrecy, and Presidential Power
From: catspaw49
Date: 24 May 06 - 01:06 AM

No, that was the exact response I wanted! Thank you!!!

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Spying, Secrecy, and Presidential Power
From: harpmolly
Date: 24 May 06 - 12:54 AM

ROFL!!!!

Sorry, Spaw, I know it really wasn't supposed to be funny. But I've gotta laugh at something.

M


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Subject: RE: BS: Spying, Secrecy, and Presidential Power
From: catspaw49
Date: 24 May 06 - 12:13 AM

I didn't think I could learn anything about sex from the Bush folks but I was wrong. I have learned that oral sex is bad and sodomy is good. Clinton was impeached for getting his hat blown while George has butt-fucked an entire country and is still going along fat, dumb, and happy. Based on that, I predict a dramatic rise in both the price and sales of Vaseline, another petroleum product.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Spying, Secrecy, and Presidential Power
From: Ebbie
Date: 23 May 06 - 10:49 PM

For some reason Bobert's post made me remember something an official from the justice system told us in a business management course. He said that the one trait criminal minds share is that they think that they are smarter than the rest of us, and that, ironically, they tend not to be smart at all.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spying, Secrecy, and Presidential Power
From: harpmolly
Date: 23 May 06 - 10:27 PM

A friend of mine recently pointed out that all this monitoring and wiretapping is probably fairly useless as far as nabbing terrorists is concerned. You can pick up a prepaid cellphone at any corner store these days, and purchase minutes as you go with cash--totally off the grid. What a comforting thought.

The house of cards is getting shakier and shakier...

I'll definitely have to watch the program. Thanks, Don.

Molly (fellow Seattleite!)


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Subject: RE: BS: Spying, Secrecy, and Presidential Power
From: Bobert
Date: 23 May 06 - 09:21 PM

Well, well, well...

Yeah, the Founding Fathers are clawin' at their coffin lids tryin' to get out and scream, "This ain't what we had in mind!!!"

Hey, I could have understood if Bush and his cronies had come before the American people and made a case for what they wanted to do but they didn't... They just thought they could get away with it... Just like everything else theat they think they can get away with...

Well, with the exception of the brownshirts in America who represent maybe 3 of 10 Americans the other 7 in 10 Americans have figgured out the Bush pea-unner-the-shell autocratic game...

Now it's a matter of getting these 7 of 10 folks to not fall fir all the BS hook-line-'n-sinker crap about flag burning and the Dems wantin' your sons and daughters to marry queers and the Dems want to kill yer babies crap that these creeps use over and over to get their base to the polls....

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Spying, Secrecy, and Presidential Power
From: Ebbie
Date: 23 May 06 - 06:00 PM

Not only is it informative but it's also an easy listen. I LOVE the fact that people are actively trying to turn us around.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spying, Secrecy, and Presidential Power
From: Peace
Date: 23 May 06 - 05:53 PM

This subject/topic was broached on the 'cat a few months back I think. Not that it shouldn't be addressed again.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spying, Secrecy, and Presidential Power
From: Amos
Date: 23 May 06 - 03:25 PM

I would urge you to individually and personally listen and understand the presentations in the link Don Firth presents above.

www.seattlechannel.org/videos/video.asp?ID=5070620

It makes the security issues and the FISA violations more tangible, clear and stark.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: Spying, Secrecy, and Presidential Power
From: Peace
Date: 23 May 06 - 03:21 PM

"The Los Angeles Times reported in December that AT&T provided the NSA with a "direct hookup" into a company database, code-named Daytona, that has been recording the telephone numbers and duration of every call placed on the AT&T network since 2001. The Electronic Frontier Foundation, which has sued AT&T over that and other alleged violations of privacy law, said the call database spans 312 terabytes, a quantity that would fill more than 400,000 computer compact discs."

from

here.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spying, Secrecy, and Presidential Power
From: catspaw49
Date: 23 May 06 - 03:04 PM

LOL....The perfect line Mick....My thoughts exactly. Thanks Don.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Spying, Secrecy, and Presidential Power
From: Big Mick
Date: 23 May 06 - 02:59 PM

I can't wait to see how this goes.

Mick


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Subject: BS: Spying, Secrecy, and Presidential Power
From: Don Firth
Date: 23 May 06 - 02:53 PM

The city of Seattle provides a channel called (strangely enough) "The Seattle Channel," where many local events of significance are broadcast over cable television.   I just discovered that they are archived and available on the internet.

This a discussion that took place in Seattle's Town Hall on May 4th, 2006. The blurb reads
ACLU presents: Spying, Secrecy, and Presidential Power   5/4/2006
Revelations about warrantless spying on Americans by the National Security Agency have sparked a nationwide controversy and sharp questions from lawmakers across the spectrum. John W. Dean, former Legal Counsel to President Nixon, and Lisa Graves, ACLU Senior Counsel for Legislative Strategy discuss the NSA spying program and what it means for civil liberties and our constitutional government.
It begins with brief commentaries by Lisa Graves and John Dean, followed by a discussion moderated by Ross Reynolds of KUOW-FM, one of the local Seattle NPR affiliates, and questions from the audience. It runs almost exactly an hour and a half, and I believe it requires RealPlayer to watch.

It is well worth the time of any truly patriotic American to watch this. For those of the conservative bent who would dismiss this because it is presented by the American Civil Liberties Union, at the conclusion of the presentation, John Dean says of the ACLU, "This is one of the few conservative organizations in America. They believe in the Constitution."

Click HERE

Don Firth


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