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catspaw49 02 Feb 99 - 03:55 PM
Alice 02 Feb 99 - 04:09 PM
Art Thieme 02 Feb 99 - 08:36 PM
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catspaw49 02 Feb 99 - 09:08 PM
Alice 03 Feb 99 - 10:43 AM
Bill in Alabama 03 Feb 99 - 11:00 AM
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Barbara 03 Feb 99 - 08:32 PM
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Tim Jaques tjaques@netcom.ca 07 Feb 99 - 07:34 PM
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Subject: Groundhog.Day.Songs
From: Alice
Date: 02 Feb 99 - 12:23 PM

Yes, the USA commemorates this weird 'holiday' called groundhog day. Now there is a webpage devoted to Ground Hog Day Songs. alice


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Subject: RE: Groundhog.Day.Songs
From: AllisonA(Animaterra)
Date: 02 Feb 99 - 12:48 PM

Gee, and all this time I've had to be happy with
Whet up your knife and whistle up your dog
Whet up your knife and whistle up your dog
We're going to the mountain to catch a ground hog,
Grond hog!
I know there are other verses but the book is at school which is once again closed due to freezing rain! Allison


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Subject: RE: Groundhog.Day.Songs
From: catspaw49
Date: 02 Feb 99 - 03:55 PM

I recall a few more from somewhere........

Groundhogs are a friend of mine
Groundhogs are a friend of mine
I eat groundhog most the time
Groundhog.

There goes Alice with a snicker and a grin
There goes Alice with a snicker and a grin
Groundhog grease all down her chin
Groundhog.

If she don't quit eatin' she might explode
If she don't quit eatin' she might explode
Eatin' them groundhogs off the road
Groundhog.

Had a weird friend that every time he passed a dead groundhog where rigor had set in and it had 4 legs sticking straight out, had to fight off the urge to pull over and set it upright.

catspaw


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Subject: RE: Groundhog.Day.Songs
From: Alice
Date: 02 Feb 99 - 04:09 PM

yes, it's a weird day, allright


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Subject: RE: Groundhog.Day.Songs
From: Art Thieme
Date: 02 Feb 99 - 08:36 PM

Here I come with a Snickers and a grin,

Here I come with a Snickers and a grin,

I just love Snickers more than sin,

Groundhog!

Didn't see my shadow or so they say,
Didn't see my shadow or so they say,
Guess this must be Goundhogs Day,
Groundhog!

Snickers juice runnin' down my face,
Snickers juice runnin' down my face,
Peanuts and chocolate coming out o' my nose.
(Note new rhyme scheme again.)Groundhog!

Love my goundhog skinned then fried,
Like my groundhog skinned then fried,
We pluck and eat those beady eyes.
Groundhog.

Little piece o' groundhog sittin' on the shelf,
Little piece o' groundhog sittin' on the shelf,
If I eat another bite I think I'm gonna ralph!
Groundhog!!

Gonna sing this verse, won't sing no more,
Gonna sing this verse, won't sing no more,
Sure did like that condom thread!
(same rhyme scheme as verse 3)
Groundhog!

Art


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Subject: RE: Groundhog.Day.Songs
From: catspaw49
Date: 02 Feb 99 - 09:02 PM

Yes Folks...Get it TODAY!!! For a high fat,high cholesterol,yet stringy and chewy,heart stoppin' (literally) taste temptation...Scrape yourself up a little groundhog...America's Other Yellow Meat!!!

Can't do groundhog??? Then try this Pa. Dutch and East Ohio favorite, known as Krepples, Pig Lips, or Scrapple. Break out that leg artery 'cause you're gonna' need it!!!


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Subject: RE: Groundhog.Day.Songs
From: catspaw49
Date: 02 Feb 99 - 09:08 PM

Well that was interesting but let's try this site instead.


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Subject: RE: Groundhog.Day.Songs
From: Alice
Date: 03 Feb 99 - 10:43 AM

catspaw, my mom (part Pennsylvania Dutch) loved scrapple, but she made it more like polenta with bits of leftover pork roast; chill, slice, fry, add maple syrup.... there is no way the kids would have eaten it with any other 'parts' in it. (Or DID she? moms can be sneaky.)


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Subject: RE: Groundhog.Day.Songs
From: Bill in Alabama
Date: 03 Feb 99 - 11:00 AM

In my part of the southern Appalachians, folks who butchered their own hogs prepared something which we called sousemeat, or souse. In my area, it was made primarily from the hog's head (minus the brain, which was removed and scrambled with eggs)boiled interminably until it was a mush, then mixed with cornmeal, allowed to congeal, then cut into blocks and fried in a skillet. It sounds as it might be similar to scrapple, except that we used only the head of the hog. There are still small local stores which sell souse. It ain't bad, if you haven't seen it made. My dad particular liked a souse sandwich.


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Subject: RE: Groundhog.Day.Songs
From: catspaw49
Date: 03 Feb 99 - 11:08 AM

Hi Alice...We buy a lot of ours from a butcher who won for his recipe at state fair a while back, but he won't say exactly what's in his!!! Truthfully, I never cared, I just liked the stuff and I thought the pig lips thing was just a joke when I was a kid...now I wonder!?!?!?

And Moms (&Dads) can be sneaky can't they? Just ask my kids! What really cracked me up was that Scrapple had a web site. There's a few things I'm scared to look for now.

catspaw


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Subject: RE: Groundhog.Day.Songs
From: Jerry Friedman
Date: 03 Feb 99 - 05:06 PM

Here's a little song about four wet pigs...


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Subject: RE: Groundhog.Day.Songs
From: rick fielding
Date: 03 Feb 99 - 05:17 PM

Bill in Alabama! I thought that some of my Glaswegian born wife's Scottish recipies were enough to turn T Rex into a vegetarian, but holy cow! "Groundhog brains and scrambled eggs!! I think I'll give dinner a miss tonight!


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Subject: RE: Groundhog.Day.Songs
From: Roger in Baltimore
Date: 03 Feb 99 - 05:40 PM

I have a few more culinary points for you Mudcatters who are loath to make fun of another's cuisine.

I do love scrapple fried and the smothered with cool apple butter. A side of scrambled eggs and there you have a real breakfast.

But if you toss your cookies at the idea of scrapple, there is a better treat awaitin'. I go to the local church breakfasts here a couple of times a year. I go because they serve hominy and "puddin'." And we ain't talking Bill Cosby here. Carroll County has a strong German heritage just under the surface. Hominy is corn that has been soaked in lye until it swells. Then the outer "shell" of the kernal is discarded leaving a little white glob (looking a little like damp popcorn). The puddin' is made from the same meat used in scrapple. But it is scrapple without the corn meal. It is cuisine to eat, not to view.

There is an old saying, there are two things best viewed as an end product and not the process. It is better not to see sausage being made or laws enacted.

Finally, to get back in the spirit of the thread. My ex-wife once served "Groundhog" at one of our singing circles. If you should choose to do the same, be sure to get the little musk glands out from the "armpits" or it will be inedible. Of course some of our friends still found it inedible. By the way, it does not taste "just like chicken." And by the way, that story has little to do with why she's my ex-wife.

Roger in Baltimore


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Subject: RE: Groundhog.Day.Songs
From: catspaw49
Date: 03 Feb 99 - 06:29 PM

Funny thing just occurred to me while reading Roger's post. All of our kids and our foster kids, something like 30+, would eat scrapple and most liked it. I can never get anybody else to eat hominy besides me...not even my wife. And of the two, hominy is far more benign. Wonder if Hominy has a web site?

catspaw


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Subject: RE: Groundhog.Day.Songs
From: catspaw49
Date: 03 Feb 99 - 06:47 PM

Actually I found about 2000 mentions of hominy on the web and a lot of great recipes. But if they're still doing it, this would be the place to meet for a treat.

catspaw


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Subject: RE: Groundhog.Day.Songs
From: Barbara
Date: 03 Feb 99 - 08:32 PM

Fod.


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Subject: RE: Groundhog.Day.Songs
From: Art Thieme
Date: 04 Feb 99 - 01:28 AM

Yep, we're all different, but I never was any good at singin' hominy.


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Subject: RE: Groundhog.Day.Songs
From: catspaw49
Date: 04 Feb 99 - 06:17 AM

Art.......But I'll bet you had a real scrapple with it before you gave up.

catspaw


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Subject: RE: Groundhog.Day.Songs
From: Bill in Alabama
Date: 04 Feb 99 - 07:42 AM

Hey--Rick Fielding--

In my scrapple entry above I wasn't talking about groundhogs, but about regular hogs. We raised three hogs every year, butchered them ourselves, and put up our own pork for the winter. Scrapple, like moonshine can be quite good if you know the maker and his process.

I have eaten groundhog, but it's nothing to rave about.


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Subject: RE: Groundhog.Day.Songs
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 04 Feb 99 - 12:12 PM

Bill...I suspect Alabama cuisine is similar to Kentucky cuisine,at least country style. Hardest part of the preparation is searchin for buckshot in the entree. Or gettin enough cornbread stuffin in to push the tread marks out.


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Subject: RE: Groundhog.Day.Songs
From: rick fielding
Date: 04 Feb 99 - 01:47 PM

Jeez, Alabama Bill, is my face red! See I just thought that "hog" was slang for groundhog. Of course now that I think about it, what would you then call real hogs? So now a couple of questions from an agrarianally challenged Canadian: Is there a difference between pigs and hogs? And might anyone know where I could sample ground hog north of the American border. I've decided that if I'm going to sing the damn song, I'd better eat (selected bits of) the damned hog.

As to scrapple, it's such a happy little word (like apple) it doesn't SEEM dangerous at all, especially the way Alice describes it! Same with "Kishka!"...or even "pemican". See, if someone cooked up a mess of "cow's eyeball puddin'", but called it something like "Twinkle", I'd probably dig in.


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Subject: RE: Groundhog.Day.Songs
From: MMario
Date: 04 Feb 99 - 02:06 PM

gee- who would have ever thought I'd actually use some of my college courses.... lessee if I can remember the definitions....

piglet - a young pig shoat - see piglet gilt - a female pig until it gives birth sow - mature female pig that has given birth boar - mature male pig barrow - a castrated male pig pig - generic term for all the above hog - generic term for mature members of the above

amazing the trivia one picks up during the course of an education!

groundhog - also known as woodchuck - I've seen them along the road north of the border so most likely you could just find a farmer or hunter friend if you really want to try it.


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Subject: RE: Groundhog.Day.Songs
From: catspaw49
Date: 04 Feb 99 - 02:11 PM

Speaking personally Rick, as some one who has eaten a few,...take a pass on the groundhog. I've known some folks who liked it, but read my original description above...never again. So if you and I are ever lost in the woods with no food, but a ready supply of groundhogs, my advice would be not to go to sleep.

Frankly, your imploding friend Pedro would taste similar...stringy and chewy, just add oil.

catspaw


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Subject: RE: Groundhog.Day.Songs
From: rick fielding
Date: 04 Feb 99 - 04:11 PM

Mmario, thanks for the pork-info. So woodchucks are groundhogs eh? I think I'll take Catspaw's advice though. Does anyone remember Phil Ochs' "Ballad of Alfred Packer"? If anyone feels this thread is getting into questionable (let alone revolting) areas, just ignore me and I'll go away.


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Subject: RE: Groundhog.Day.Songs
From: Anne Lee
Date: 04 Feb 99 - 10:27 PM

Hey! How about beef tongue and beef brains? My mom used to mixed beef brains with scrambled eggs. Not my favorite, but beef tongue is delicious...especially as a sandwich the next day for school. I wonder if I ever told my school mates? Hmmm.

Catspaw49--- You are too funny.

Art--- Love that dry wit.

Rick---What imploding Pedro? I keep reading about it but haven't the hoggiest idea. Story, story! I want a story!

Anne Lee


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Subject: RE: Groundhog.Day.Songs
From: catspaw49
Date: 04 Feb 99 - 10:50 PM

Anne Lee...start putting a PS on all your posts demanding that Rick start a thread titled "Short Time Instrument Disasters" or something like that. Please note that he IS IN PERIL as I have threatened him at groundhog point. The only trouble there is that the "blunt" end of a groundhog ain't something I want to hold none too long. So put it on every thread you post too til it happens! (So's I can "chuck" this end of the 'chuck, so to speak)

catspaw


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Subject: RE: Groundhog.Day.Songs
From: catspaw49
Date: 05 Feb 99 - 09:45 AM

Rick, go ahead and do your Packer thing, but first start the new thread. This thread is a culinary delight, but I'm starting to get ill holding this groundhogs trigger...and if it goes off, ain't no tellin' what'll happen!!!

catspaw


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Subject: RE: Groundhog.Day.Songs
From: rick fielding
Date: 05 Feb 99 - 11:40 AM

No! No! No! If canibalism in folk music is gonna be a thread it ain't gonna be started by me. I'd rather eat groundhog brains!


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Subject: RE: Groundhog.Day.Songs
From: Felipa
Date: 05 Feb 99 - 12:03 PM

we'll have to start a separate Mudcat site for vegetarians. GROUNDHOG DAY isn't about eating the critters!
And the origins aren't strictly American - Imbolc, St Brigid's Day, Candlemas are all at the beginning of Feb and all connected with the returning of spring.
I did a search for Candlemass and fouond out it's a Swedish heavy metal band. "St. Brigid's Day" was a more successful query.


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Subject: RE: Groundhog.Day.Songs
From: Anne Lee
Date: 07 Feb 99 - 01:44 PM

Pedro, Pedro, Pedro, Pedro, Pedro Come on Rick....Thread, thread, thread....

"Short Time Instruemnt Diasters"

PS How's that catspaw49?

Rick, Rick, Rick...


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Subject: RE: Groundhog.Day.Songs
From: Tim Jaques tjaques@netcom.ca
Date: 07 Feb 99 - 07:34 PM

Speaking of groundhogs and Groundhog Day, Wiarton Willie is dead. They just had funeral for him, and had him laid out in a casket and everything. Someone should compose a dirge on poor Willie's passing.


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Subject: RE: Groundhog.Day.Songs
From: rich r
Date: 07 Feb 99 - 09:30 PM

It seems most of the confusion in this thread has been the distinction between groundhog and ground hog. While both of them can be et, only one of them was really made for eatin'. The woodchuck (Marmota monax) has also been dubbed the whistle pig. In the mountains of western North America similar animals are called marmots or rockchucks. There are the yellow bellied marmot (M. flaviventris) and the hoary marmot (M. caligata). At one time it was illegal to kill woodchucks in the state of Pennsylvania. The logic went as follows, groundhogs dig burrows, rabbits used the burrows for winter shelter and thus more survived to serve as targets for young and old gunslingers. The state thought that the more rabbits the more satisfied hunters and the more license fees to the state. Out here on the prairies, "gophers" (i.e. ground squrrels and prairie dogs) are the preferred victims of the happy shootists. In a bit of trivia, Russian marmot fur was sold as Brazilian mink, but its wearing value is only 20% that of otter. Work that into your next coffeebreak discussion.

What was odd about Wiarton Willie is I saw him on TV laid out in a small coffin. Since he lived in a hole, they must have dug him out of his hole to put him in a box and then dug a hole in which to put him and the box.

Since there was certain snowcover in that part of Ontario, I wonder if Wiarton Willie let out a white squall just before he expired.

rich r


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Subject: RE: Groundhog.Day.Songs
From: Felipa
Date: 08 Feb 99 - 07:33 AM

Then the song about "Here comes Sal with a snigger and a grin" must be about a woodchuck, because there's a line in it "Gonna twist this whistle pig out of its hole, Oh Groundhog"


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Subject: RE: Groundhog.Day.Songs
From: Bill in Alabama
Date: 08 Feb 99 - 07:58 AM

Felipa-- The song IS about a woodchuck; it is also about a groundhog. They are the same critter, called by different names by folks in different parts of the country. Like a ground squirrel and a chipmunk.


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Subject: RE: Groundhog.Day.Songs
From: GUEST,Cuilionn
Date: 22 Jan 04 - 10:46 AM

Ahhhh, the joys of folklore research:

An old thread about Goddess/Saint Bride/Brigit reveals that she may have, "invented whistling." Now I read that the groundhog may be known to some as a "whistle pig."

St. Brigit's Feast Day: Jan. 29th
Imbolc (Celtic festival assoc. w/ Goddess Brigit): Feb. 1st or 2nd
Groundhog/WhistlePig's Day: Feb. 2

Coincidence? I think not!

Yirs fer insular academic eddification,
--Cuilionn


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Subject: RE: Groundhog.Day.Songs
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 22 Jan 04 - 06:00 PM

Groundhog = Minced pork.

Robin


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