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Richard Bridge 16 Mar 06 - 05:25 PM
Peace 16 Mar 06 - 05:29 PM
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Sorcha 16 Mar 06 - 05:55 PM
number 6 16 Mar 06 - 06:00 PM
katlaughing 16 Mar 06 - 06:03 PM
Andy Jackson 16 Mar 06 - 06:12 PM
Azizi 16 Mar 06 - 06:13 PM
The Fooles Troupe 16 Mar 06 - 06:16 PM
Peace 16 Mar 06 - 06:19 PM
CarolC 16 Mar 06 - 06:20 PM
Peace 16 Mar 06 - 06:29 PM
Don(Wyziwyg)T 16 Mar 06 - 06:32 PM
number 6 16 Mar 06 - 06:49 PM
The Fooles Troupe 16 Mar 06 - 07:10 PM
Ebbie 16 Mar 06 - 07:10 PM
Azizi 16 Mar 06 - 07:12 PM
John MacKenzie 16 Mar 06 - 07:14 PM
Alba 16 Mar 06 - 08:26 PM
CarolC 16 Mar 06 - 08:34 PM
Alba 16 Mar 06 - 08:40 PM
Peace 16 Mar 06 - 08:44 PM
GUEST,dianavan 16 Mar 06 - 09:07 PM
Peace 16 Mar 06 - 09:09 PM
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Subject: BS: Why no new Iraq thread?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 16 Mar 06 - 05:25 PM

Biggest strike in Iraq since the start of "shock and awe". Why no new thread about what the idiot is up to now?


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Subject: RE: BS: Why no new Iraq thread?
From: Peace
Date: 16 Mar 06 - 05:29 PM

No news on it here yet, RB. Not on the 'net, anyway.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why no new Iraq thread?
From: Peace
Date: 16 Mar 06 - 05:31 PM

"Biggest US air strike since invasion

Associated Press
BAGHDAD, March 16. — US forces today launched what was termed the largest air assault since the US-led invasion, targeting insurgent strongholds north of the capital, the US military said. US ground troops and the Iraqi army participated.
"More than 1,500 Iraqi and Coalition troops, over 200 tactical vehicles, and more than 50 aircraft participated in the operation," the military statement said of the attack designed to "clear a suspected insurgent operating area north-east of Samarra," 95 km north of Baghdad."

from

here.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why no new Iraq thread?
From: Sorcha
Date: 16 Mar 06 - 05:55 PM

Because I don't do political threads????


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Subject: RE: BS: Why no new Iraq thread?
From: number 6
Date: 16 Mar 06 - 06:00 PM

Operation Swarmer .... devised to distract attention from Bush, big military public relations maneaver ... unfortuantely the troops are the pawns.

Anyway ... what a way to bring democracy to Iraq, keep bombing the hell out of them.

sIx


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Subject: RE: BS: Why no new Iraq thread?
From: katlaughing
Date: 16 Mar 06 - 06:03 PM

I have a terrible and sick feeling about this. I shall do all the work I know for Peace and an end to his insanity.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why no new Iraq thread?
From: Andy Jackson
Date: 16 Mar 06 - 06:12 PM

I'm with sorcha on this one!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Why no new Iraq thread?
From: Azizi
Date: 16 Mar 06 - 06:13 PM

I agree. Bombing a country to smithereens is an insane way to bring peace & democracy to that country.

What happened to "do unto others as you would have them do unto you"?


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Subject: RE: BS: Why no new Iraq thread?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 16 Mar 06 - 06:16 PM

What comes after shock, awe...

'Aw Gee!'??

Anyway all the trouble-making hypothetical pontificators are over in the Iran threads now - Even Bush wants us to be 'moving on' you know...


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Subject: RE: BS: Why no new Iraq thread?
From: Peace
Date: 16 Mar 06 - 06:19 PM

Better link here, I hope.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why no new Iraq thread?
From: CarolC
Date: 16 Mar 06 - 06:20 PM

I guess I'm not surprised. Bush's approval numbers needed a bit of a boost.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why no new Iraq thread?
From: Peace
Date: 16 Mar 06 - 06:29 PM

It will be interesting to see poll results in a few days. And what Congress has to say. Wonder if it was a 'worthwhile' military mission or a trial balloon to see what Americans think?


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Subject: RE: BS: Why no new Iraq thread?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 16 Mar 06 - 06:32 PM

What happened to "do unto others as you would have them do unto you"?


It vanished as soon as George troubleyou had destroyed their capability to do unto him Azizi.

When God gave him teeth, he ruined a perfectly good arsehole.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why no new Iraq thread?
From: number 6
Date: 16 Mar 06 - 06:49 PM

I reiterate .. unfortunately the troops and the citizens of Iraq are the pawns.

sIx


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Subject: RE: BS: Why no new Iraq thread?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 16 Mar 06 - 07:10 PM

Funny. I seem to remember the last 'bomb the crap out of them' publicity stunt is still continuing to have negative feedback. as evidenced in the stepped up insurgency still going on.

"When will they ever learn?"


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Subject: RE: BS: Why no new Iraq thread?
From: Ebbie
Date: 16 Mar 06 - 07:10 PM

He's probably looking forward to saying 'Mission Accomplished'. Again.

You know, I'm not all that keen any more on the kind of representative government that we have in the USA. We need a non-violent way of changing our government faster than every four years.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why no new Iraq thread?
From: Azizi
Date: 16 Mar 06 - 07:12 PM

See this quote from the dailykos dairy-"Bombs Away -- edited}
by Maryscott OConnor {Thu Mar 16, 2006} :

"See no evil, feel no evil.
One of the biggest reasons people in this country don't identify with the suffering of people in other countries - esp. countries and peoples we happen to be bombing - is that they (U.S. citizens) are kept hermetically sealed from our military's actions. Our corporate media self-censors, so no one ever sees the bloody, disatrous, and unspeakable results of our bombs. The inevitable result is that body counts and "casualties" are nothing more than a number in most peoples' minds.

by Oaktown Girl on Thu Mar 16, 2006 "

-snip-

That dairy contains graphic photographs of injuried Iraqis as well as more than 400 comments.

To read it, click HERE


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Subject: RE: BS: Why no new Iraq thread?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 16 Mar 06 - 07:14 PM

You need a fairer more open and honest way of running the elections too.
You also want to put a cap on political expenditure on election campaigns, so that it's not the best funded who get elected, but the best qualified.
As for Iraq well, I'm all Iraqed out.
Giok


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Subject: RE: BS: Why no new Iraq thread?
From: Alba
Date: 16 Mar 06 - 08:26 PM

"As for Iraq well, I'm all Iraqed out" That's my worry Giok. That people are becoming Iraq'd out.
They are done worrying altogther about Afghanistan and already refocusing on Iran.
I read last week that 85% of the Troops in Iraq still think that Saddam Insane was involved in the 9/11 attacks!

The White House issued their National Security Strategy today. Not what I would call a good read!
Definetly not for the faint hearted. It is a total rejection of the criticism and doubts rasied by many and filled with the arrogance that we have come to expect from this White House.
"Stay the F'n course" is the WARcry and "pre-emptive" is another on top of the Bushspeak list.

Who next is my question...as I said back when Bush got back in, a lot can happen in 4 years. A lot has happened and it's not good, not good at all and there are still 2 years of those 4 left. Worrying, frightening to think just how much more damage can be done under the torn and meaningless banner which reads Defending America

The "strike' today was an propaganda move.
A spit directly into the face of 62% of Americans that think this President's attitude and actions in Iraq (and in many other areas of this Administration's Foreign Policy) are simply wrong!

I believe no matter what Americans or any other World Citizens think is of a little importance to this Administration as they are not in the Business of working for the good of the American People or for the good of any other People around the World. They are simply in Business.

So to all those people who stepped up to the Diebold machine and choose George this one is for you. How do you feel about George now? If possible and without the usual blahblah, can any of you give some meaningful HOPE and assurance that all will be well here and that every Human Being that has willingly given or lost their Life due to the actions and policies of this Administration did not die for a lie! I, for one, would sure appreciate reading a post like that right now. I really would.

I don't usually get into these political threads but I have to say that, F*** me, I am so angry tonight and I am tired of being treated like a moron by morons who think that somehow I and many others cannot see through this crap.
How dumb do these arrogant bastards in this administration think people are!!
Yeah George "Mission Accomplished", Mission Impossible more like!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Why no new Iraq thread?
From: CarolC
Date: 16 Mar 06 - 08:34 PM

I reiterate .. unfortunately the troops and the citizens of Iraq are the pawns.

Yes, this is true.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why no new Iraq thread?
From: Alba
Date: 16 Mar 06 - 08:40 PM

"I reiterate .. unfortunately the troops and the citizens of Iraq are the pawns."


As are the citizens of America it would seem.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why no new Iraq thread?
From: Peace
Date: 16 Mar 06 - 08:44 PM

War it is.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why no new Iraq thread?
From: GUEST,dianavan
Date: 16 Mar 06 - 09:07 PM

30,000 civilian deaths since the invasion of Iraq. Why?

How many insurgents have they actually killed?

The latest assault seems to have resulted in the capture of one man suspected of supporting Al qaeda.

The cost of this?

Four to eleven civilians depending on who's telling the story and plenty of U.S. tax dollars. Seems a pretty high price for one captured 'enemy'. Why do they have to bomb indiscriminately? Seems to me that police action would have done the job without so much destruction.

What is the point of such an air strike?

I think May 1st would be a good day to just stop contributing to this war machine. People should walk off the job and protest in the streets. Refuse to go back to work until the war is over. Hit them in the pocket book and help your neighbors in need.

I think a little personal sacrifice from U.S. citizens and their allies might be in order.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why no new Iraq thread?
From: Peace
Date: 16 Mar 06 - 09:09 PM

Is there any chance that Congress can pull in the reins?


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Subject: RE: BS: Why no new Iraq thread?
From: Peace
Date: 16 Mar 06 - 09:28 PM

'"More than 1,500 Iraqi and Coalition troops, over 200 tactical vehicles, and more than 50 aircraft participated in the operation," the US military said in a statement about the attack designed to "clear a suspected insurgent operating area northeast of Samarra," 95 km north of Baghdad.

The military said the operation was expected to continue over several days against insurgent targets in Salahuddin province, where Samarra is a key city.'

from

here.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why no new Iraq thread?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 16 Mar 06 - 10:43 PM

What's interesting is that it may distract all right--but distracting from Bush's 34% approval rating is not its only appeal to him. It will also distract from something much more important--polls are after all just snapshots--the next will be different-- and can be heavily influenced by wording.

Far more important than the current "Aw gee" campaign (tip of the hat to Robin) -- or whatever W calls it-- is the fact that hardly any progress is being made towards a "unity government" in Iraq--and that's what Bush has hung his presidency on. No matter how many "insurgents" are killed, it won't help Bush unless a stable Iraq government results--and soon--before the sorely tried patience of the US public is gone.

But the Kurds have never wanted to be part of Iraq--ever since the "birth" of Iraq, a jerry-built structure put together in 1921--not, as some think, a civilization thousands of years old. Churchill brought the Kurds (unwillingly) into Iraq, at the request of the imported leader (from Arabia!)--to try to balance the Shiite majority. The Babylonians, Assyrians, etc. have nothing to do with modern Iraq except as tourist draws and possible sources of propaganda (a la Mussolini and the Romans). Both the Kurds and the Shiites would be happy to control their own sections of Iraq--and the oil that goes with them. The Kurds are already doing deals with international oil companies--and not consulting the "Iraq government". Their de facto independence would be helped even more with a census and referendum in Kirkuk--which is in the constitution.

That would leave the Sunnis in central Iraq (but also Baghdad with its boiling cauldron of rivalries) out of luck--very little oil in central Iraq.

I understand the constitution also states that while income from current oil deposits is to be divided on a per capita basis among all Iraqis, new deposits will be the property of the province where found. Again, bad luck for the Sunnis--the Sunni minority, who ruled the majority for several decades.

As a result, even after an acceptable leader is found --(the parliamentary session today lasted 40 minutes, then adjourned until further notice)--either the constitution must be changed drastically or the insurgency will likely have a bottomless pool of recruits.

It will be a long road to stability in Iraq--if they ever get there--a breakup is at least as likely.

This attack is just a smokescreen for the continuing impasse.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why no new Iraq thread?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 17 Mar 06 - 01:11 AM

"What is the point of such an air strike?"

Uses up the munitions, which have to be replaced. The weapons manufacturers are laughing all the way to the Rivera.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why no new Iraq thread?
From: Teribus
Date: 17 Mar 06 - 02:39 AM

It's a funny thing but I have just been watching this being reported by CNN's Nic Robertson(Senior International Correspondent) live from the area.

His report stated that unlike previous cordon and search operations this one was targeting specific sites, six isolated farms to date. The operation was instigated and planned by Iraqi forces with US forces providing support. 48 people had been arrrested, of which 17 have been released, the remaining 31 have been detained. At these farms caches of weapons, detonators, timing devices, explosives and high powered cordless telephones have been seized. He also very clearly stated that these swoop and search operations had met NO resistance and that as of a few minutes ago there had been NO casualties.

Right now that as a report of what is happening is all well and good. I have no reason to believe that Nic Robertson is lying, he is after all CNN's senior man on the spot and his job is to report what he sees. Now what about the presentation of the report.

Nic Robertson's audio report was presented as a sort of voice-over to video coverage of what appeared to be the initial stages of the assault on Falluja. For almost the entire length of the report any viewer was confronted with nightime footage of what was a fairly intensive fire fight in a location that was clearly a built up urban area. Now why was this done? remember the voice you are listening to is telling you NO resistance, NO casualties, that specific isolated farms were being targeted. I'd certainly like to ask CNN what they were playing at, and can clearly see why those posting to this thread above believe that people are getting the crap bombed out of them - According to Nic Robertson, that is simply not happening.

Almost immediately after this report as a follow on Nic was back on air, with coverage showing troops being flown into the area, the bulk of the aircraft were shown as being transport helicopters, Chinooks and Black Hawks. He reported seeing Chinook helicopters on the ground right next to the targeted farms, now that you most certainly do not do if you are under fire, and it tends to support the content of his earlier broadcast.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why no new Iraq thread?
From: Azizi
Date: 17 Mar 06 - 05:23 AM

It takes a lot of chuzpah to use the four words "all well and good" to describe anything going on with the Iraq "war"


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Subject: RE: BS: Why no new Iraq thread?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 17 Mar 06 - 09:39 AM

Teribus,

There are those here who do not feel that the people who blew up the Dome are proper targets for arrest.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why no new Iraq thread?
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 17 Mar 06 - 09:42 AM

So it turns out that "the biggest air strike since 'Shock and Awe'" consists of using about 50 helicopters to ferry ground troops in. The 'copters themselves haven't fired a shot and the guys on the ground haven't been doing much either.

So who decided to bill this thing as "the biggest air strike since 'Shock and Awe'"? And why? Is the entire world supposed to stand in awe of the U.S. Air Force's ability to provide air taxi service?


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Subject: RE: BS: Why no new Iraq thread?
From: Alba
Date: 17 Mar 06 - 10:37 AM

That would seem to be the Propaganda Bee-dubya-ell
That's what gets to me personally. That there is an assumption that the US is full of numb nuts ready to wave the flag and change their minds about the US policies in Iraq based on anything now which alludes to Bush being rough and tough and mighty and staying the course...but Operation Swarmer!! Please.
Although if I think about it, I suppose 50 Copters in the air may possibly look like a swarm of insects..! So at least there was a teeny tiny bit of imagination used in the naming of this..'sting'

Hype...total and utter Hype.

Shock and Awe....hardly that, thank goodness.
Mock and Withdraw... more like.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why no new Iraq thread?
From: Kaleea
Date: 17 Mar 06 - 02:48 PM

All this time has gone by, billions & billions of $$, countless lives lost--but only once did I hear anything about Music in Iraq. That was on "Sunday Morning" the CBS show. It was a piece about what remained of the orchestra in Baghdad. I have never seen or heard any reports of the peoples of Iraq and their traditional Music(s). I suppose the average USA tv viewer would not pay much attention? Nevertheless, wouldn't it be something to have Traditional Musicians from round the world making Music with Iraqui Musicians-& put it on tv & radio worldwide? Since the usual diplomacy hasn't worked yet, how about International Music Diplomats?


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Subject: RE: BS: Why no new Iraq thread?
From: GUEST,Martin Gibson
Date: 17 Mar 06 - 03:26 PM

We should have done this 2 years ago instead of pussyfooting around.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why no new Iraq thread?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 17 Mar 06 - 05:07 PM

If there's really "no resistance" that would rather suggest that the US has targetted the wrong farms, ones where there in fact are no enemy fighters. It wouldn't be the first time. Only a couple of days ago the was an "incident" described here where 11 civilians were killed, five of them children, one six months old, were killed in an airstrike.

If this time they have actually identified the right target, "no resistance" would very likely imply that word of the attack was leaked in advance by friends of the insurgents in the Iraq military.

Foreign armies just cannot win this kind of conflict - you'd think they'd know by now.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why no new Iraq thread?
From: katlaughing
Date: 17 Mar 06 - 08:34 PM

How Operation Swarmer fizzled


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Subject: RE: BS: Why no new Iraq thread?
From: CarolC
Date: 17 Mar 06 - 10:46 PM

It looks like this was the real reason for the "air strike"...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060317/ts_nm/iraq_dc

Bush needs US voters to believe the troops will be coming home soon.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why no new Iraq thread?
From: Alba
Date: 17 Mar 06 - 11:10 PM

Taken from Kat's Link:

"Before loading up into the helicopters for a return trip to Baghdad, Iraqi and American soldiers and some reporters helped themselves to the woman's freshly baked bread, tearing bits off and chewing it as they wandered among the cows. For most of them, it was the only thing worthwhile they'd found all day."

It would appear that Bush missed a photo op which would have allowed him to get his 'Flight suit' on again and descend into the hub of a dangerous Iraqi Insurgent strong hold and address the assembled (flown in special) Troops on the Ground and reporters ( also flown in special) and to be heard by all assembled to utter yet more immortal words straight from the mouth of the Commander in Chief (of the Operation formally known as 'Iraqi freedom')....."Kitchen! I'm famished!"

"Don't believe the hype - its a sequel"...a line from the lyrics of "Don't believe the Hype" by (the aptly named in this case named) 'Public Enemy'


....and it seems that the Bush administration now know that sequels rarely get the same response as the original Movie. In this case '4 Long years II '..is a flop at the American and International Box Offices.

I give it a Thumbs down.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why no new Iraq thread?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 17 Mar 06 - 11:15 PM

Best comment I saw on SBS - we get the PBS News Hours on replay here - was a a man in a military uniform
"Consider it a live fire training exercise for the new Iraqui Troops"....


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Subject: RE: BS: Why no new Iraq thread?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 17 Mar 06 - 11:20 PM

Idea for a political cartoon

"Burying the hatchet in Iraq"

A circle of politicians each holding onto a hatchet buried in the back of the guy in front...


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Subject: RE: BS: Why no new Iraq thread?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 17 Mar 06 - 11:22 PM

Come to think of it, it's not all that special, it could apply to the Labour Party in Australia too...


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Subject: RE: BS: Why no new Iraq thread?
From: katlaughing
Date: 17 Mar 06 - 11:32 PM

Good take, Jude!


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Subject: RE: BS: Why no new Iraq thread?
From: Teribus
Date: 18 Mar 06 - 06:42 AM

From Kat's link that the TIME Online had Headlined as "How Operation Swarmer Fizzled" the reader can extract the following:

- The operation was the largest air assault since 2003.

- The article explains that the media, like most on this forum judging from the earlier posts to this thread do not know the difference in terminology between "Air Strike" and "Air Assault"

- The results of the operation "netted 48 suspected insurgents, 17 of which had already been cleared and released" - Now that is one way of putting it, another is to say that the operation netted 48, of which 31 have been detained - that is roughly 65% of those found in the six farms targetted.

- The article implies that as there were no shots fired, no resistance and no casualties that the operation was a flop. Even MGOH seems to be of that opinion. Here are a couple of Kevinesque quotes:

"If there's really "no resistance" that would rather suggest that the US has targetted the wrong farms, ones where there in fact are no enemy fighters"

"If this time they have actually identified the right target, "no resistance" would very likely imply that word of the attack was leaked in advance by friends of the insurgents in the Iraq military."

In both cases Kevin it indicates the complete and utter opposite of that which you contend.

In actual fact the operation seems to have been highly successful exactly for reasons that there were - No casualties - No resistance - Nobody hurt - 31 suspected terrorists detained - The operation was mounted at the instigation of the Iraqi Security Forces acting on information received from the Iraqi civilians living in the area - The "wrong farms" were not targeted, the forces conducting the operation found weapons, explosives timing devices, detonators, none of which can now harm innocent Iraqi citizens - According to the article, the airlift (1500 personnel) doubled the population of the remote area, 300 personal weapons seized means that one in five were armed, of the 1500 people living in the area we can roughly estimate that 500 would be children, 500 would be women and 500 would be men (I know these are very rough assumptions but I take it that you get the drift of where this is leading). 300 personal weapons is one hell of a percentage of what could be described as "likely" terrorist material in an area so sparsely populated.

Sorry TIME Online, I do not believe for one minute that Operation Swarmer Fizzled, resounding success more like, now like CNN, why don't you, TIME Online, just report it as such?

I sincerely hope the Journalists enjoyed their freshly baked bread, I also hope that they paid for it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why no new Iraq thread?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 18 Mar 06 - 07:09 AM

Well, you can be happier now, Teribus, on tonight's news I heard that one US army personnel was killed - now surely an even better resounding success - definitely proved that there was combat of some sort. Definitely a 'live fire exercise' then.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why no new Iraq thread?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 18 Mar 06 - 07:21 AM

"one in five were armed"

You sure they didn't take a left turn at Albuquerque and end up in Texas instead?


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Subject: RE: BS: Why no new Iraq thread?
From: Alba
Date: 18 Mar 06 - 07:28 AM

One that believes the "Hype" I see.

"resounding success more like"

"- No casualties - No resistance - Nobody hurt "...Really, well that's a relief because that is not what I have heard/read and it would seem that these three terms can mean diffrent things depending on where your perspective is coming from.

It would seem that I need to re-read the link and the many other sources I have been reading over the last few days. Some of the number crunching I see above me is frankly amazing!
"The largest Air ASSAULT since 2003.."
mmmm.
So when it suits the purposes of Propaganda it is perfectly acceptable to allude to the events in the air over Iraq in 2003 but it is unacceptable for the press, or anyone else for that matter, to point out that this particular Fiasco was, thankfully, absolutely nothing like the events of 2003, absolutely nothing like them.

Unlike the administration's Fiscal Advisors, it's supporters seem to make better use of a calculator however. I see some great number crunching.

"I sincerely hope the Journalists enjoyed their freshly baked bread, I also hope that they paid for it."

Actually I hope that the Commanders of 'Operation Delusional' paid the Woman for her Bread, after all those were the people who asked Reporters to join them on the 'Daytrip', in fact I hope the reporters got paid for their time and enjoyed what seems to be to all intents and purposes a very bland 'packed Lunch' not even the mention of a soft Drink, Bottle of Spring water or fresh fruit in the Time article.

The Woman baking the bread however I am sure offered little resistance when approached for some of her baking. I know if I was confronted by 1500 armed personnel that emerged from 50 helicopters in my back field I would give them the damn bread I was making for nothing personally, make no mistake about it.

31 Insurgents. No doubt a massive blow has been struck at the heart of the Insurgents core...!

Ah hype...it smells as sweet as baking bread when it reaches the ears of the desperately seeking justification.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why no new Iraq thread?
From: Alba
Date: 18 Mar 06 - 07:53 AM

"Ah hype...it smells as sweet as baking bread when it reaches the *ears* of the desperately seeking justification"
That should have read *Noses* shouldn't it!
Not to worry, no actual Ears or Noses were harmed in the writing of my sentence.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why no new Iraq thread?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 18 Mar 06 - 10:40 AM

As I said earlier, it's all a-- very expensive--sideshow. The real action (or inaction, now) is in the parliament. Will there--ever--be a stable "unity" government? And even more important, will the constitution be changed to more suit the Sunnis? That's the only way to defuse the insurgency. Promises of such amendments are the main reason Sunni leaders were willing to support the December elections. Now leaders of the other factions are balking at any substantive changes.

The Sunnis are not blind--they know that the constitution as it stands provides for a path to semi-autonomy for any region--including control over oil. If that happens, the Sunnis are the big losers. If Sunnis come to the conclusion that the changes they seek are out of the question, the insurgency will benefit---bigtime.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why no new Iraq thread?
From: van lingle
Date: 18 Mar 06 - 11:12 AM

Yep, Bush had to do something to stop the bleeding (in the polls) and having a bunch of Iraqi soldiers running around in the sand next to US Army soldiers flashed across the evening news and then bringing on a General who recently declared Iraq as near to a civil war as it had ever been redeem himself by praising the Iraqi military invovlment is a pretty small band aid. I can hear Claude Rains saying "Roundup the usual suspects!" vl


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Subject: RE: BS: Why no new Iraq thread?
From: Arne
Date: 18 Mar 06 - 10:46 PM

Teribus:

His report stated that unlike previous cordon and search operations this one was targeting specific sites,...

OIC. Up to now we'd been bombing indiscriminately (according to you). My, that gives me the warm fuzzies. What does it do to you, Teribus? Make your putter flutter?

Cheers,


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