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GUEST,Desdemona 28 Feb 06 - 08:27 PM
Bee-dubya-ell 28 Feb 06 - 08:49 PM
Cluin 28 Feb 06 - 09:00 PM
katlaughing 28 Feb 06 - 10:15 PM
Cluin 28 Feb 06 - 11:45 PM
open mike 01 Mar 06 - 12:56 AM
GUEST 01 Mar 06 - 03:40 AM
Allan C. 01 Mar 06 - 06:51 AM
Desdemona 01 Mar 06 - 02:47 PM
open mike 02 Mar 06 - 12:22 AM
GUEST,Margaret 23 Jul 14 - 01:52 AM
GUEST,Grishka 23 Jul 14 - 05:22 AM
Musket 23 Jul 14 - 05:33 AM
Ed T 23 Jul 14 - 06:37 AM
Musket 23 Jul 14 - 08:09 AM
GUEST 23 Jul 14 - 04:11 PM
GUEST 24 Jul 14 - 04:34 AM
GUEST,Grishka 24 Jul 14 - 05:30 AM
Q (Frank Staplin) 24 Jul 14 - 12:29 PM
Ed T 24 Jul 14 - 12:48 PM
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Subject: BS: Hotter than Dutch love
From: GUEST,Desdemona
Date: 28 Feb 06 - 08:27 PM

A friend of mine used this expression in conversation recently, saying that his mother (from Texas) used it of especially hot summer weather. Is anyone here familiar with this expression, and if so, with its provenance?

~D


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Subject: RE: BS: Hotter than Dutch love
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 28 Feb 06 - 08:49 PM

I've heard "hotter than a Dutch oven" before, but not Dutch love. Maybe someone forgot to replace their hearing-aid batteries.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hotter than Dutch love
From: Cluin
Date: 28 Feb 06 - 09:00 PM

Hotter than a dutch oven, yes.
Hotter than Dutch love, no.


Hotter than Dutch lovin'.... perhaps the missing link?


As the banks further shrink your savings with sawvice chawges...


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Subject: RE: BS: Hotter than Dutch love
From: katlaughing
Date: 28 Feb 06 - 10:15 PM

found this posted in answer to a similar question on another website:

DUTCH LOVE, HOTTER THAN - adj. phr. Also "hot as Dutch love." North. Usually of weather; very warm; also fig. of intimate relationships, passionate. From "Dictionary of American Regional English," Volume II by Frederic G. Cassidy and Joan Houston Hall (1991, Belknap Press of Harvard University Press, Cambridge, Mass., and London, England).


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Subject: RE: BS: Hotter than Dutch love
From: Cluin
Date: 28 Feb 06 - 11:45 PM

Somebody else out there f__ked it up as well?


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Subject: RE: BS: Hotter than Dutch love
From: open mike
Date: 01 Mar 06 - 12:56 AM

Speaking of Cutch Ovens...see here:
http://www.idos.com/

http://www.dutchovencookware.com/

i have several cookbooks from this guy--C.W. (ceedub)
http://www.ceedubs.com/
there are awesome photos of towering stacks of
Cutch Ovens (D.O.'s) with large ones full of
main dish on teh bottom and small ones with
dessert or something on top..and hot coals
between each one....i have baked (cooked?)
chocolate cakes and everything in D.O.'s
yes they are hot!


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Subject: RE: BS: Hotter than Dutch love
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Mar 06 - 03:40 AM

If a Dutch treat is where everyone pays their own bill, is Dutch love an orgy of onanism?


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Subject: RE: BS: Hotter than Dutch love
From: Allan C.
Date: 01 Mar 06 - 06:51 AM

One website claims the whole expression is: hotter than Dutch love in a hay mow. Now, I sure do know that there are few things hotter than a hay mow can get, so whatever they might mean by Dutch love has got to be pretty damn hot!


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Subject: RE: BS: Hotter than Dutch love
From: Desdemona
Date: 01 Mar 06 - 02:47 PM

Yes, it's definitely "love" and not "oven"; my friend had put the same question to his mother (who used the expression), and she was emphatic about it. However, she had no idea where it came from, having apparently got it from older people *she* had known. I suppose that the addition of the hay mow helps clarify things a BIT...sort of like the predicate "at high tide" makes sense of "happy as a clam"!

Here's another favourite of mine, learnt from an Irish friend (of which I do know 2 putative origins): "there'll be wigs on the green", meaning that there's going to be a heap of trouble.

Innit great? Gosh, I love language!

~D


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Subject: RE: BS: Hotter than Dutch love
From: open mike
Date: 02 Mar 06 - 12:22 AM

maybe that is like "heads will roll"
which is usually heard soon after
"let them eat cake"


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Subject: RE: BS: Hotter than Dutch love
From: GUEST,Margaret
Date: 23 Jul 14 - 01:52 AM

June 30, 1883
The Independent Record from Helena, Montana · Page 3
"The weather is hotter than Dutch love in harvest, although he snow has not yet..."

July 25, 1891
The Daily Democrat from Huntington, Indiana · Page 2
"City politics are hotter than Dutch love in harvest time."

June 22, 1886
Orrville Crescent from Orrville, Ohio . Page 2

"This[California town] is one of the big towns out west, but it isn't half as large as Apple Creek, has ten or a dozen saloons, and the weather here is hotter than dutch love in harvest."


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Subject: RE: BS: Hotter than Dutch love
From: GUEST,Grishka
Date: 23 Jul 14 - 05:22 AM

Nice thread. Never heard the saying before, obviously property of the USA. It could stem from immigrants either from the Netherlands or from neighbouring countries where such a cliché was rampant.

My guess at the explanation: in a wealthy Puritan country, illegitimate love was strongly suppressed. Also, Holland (proper) is very flat with no forest, so that couples cannot hide easily. Love heats up until hay harvest, when the large hay stacks at last provide good hiding spots.

Hot Dutch ovens (for earthenware) were found further south, where there was still some forest left to provide the oven wood.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hotter than Dutch love
From: Musket
Date: 23 Jul 14 - 05:33 AM

Where I come from, a dutch oven is the art of covering the bedclothes over your partner's head after dropping a fart.

Whoever said romance was dead?


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Subject: RE: BS: Hotter than Dutch love
From: Ed T
Date: 23 Jul 14 - 06:37 AM

Those liking Dutch Ovens could have anosmia?




Smell and love 


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Subject: RE: BS: Hotter than Dutch love
From: Musket
Date: 23 Jul 14 - 08:09 AM

I'm not sure the recipient is supposed to enjoy it...


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Subject: RE: BS: Hotter than Dutch love
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Jul 14 - 04:11 PM

The word "Dutch" doesn't necessarily refer to Holland or the low countries.

In the US, and possibly elsewhere, "Dutch" is often found as a folk processing of "Deutsch", or German.

Which "Dutch" this saying refers to is up for grabs.

Dave Oesterreich


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Subject: RE: BS: Hotter than Dutch love
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Jul 14 - 04:34 AM

Dutch + Deutsch = Double Dutch?


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Subject: RE: BS: Hotter than Dutch love
From: GUEST,Grishka
Date: 24 Jul 14 - 05:30 AM

Dave O., any grab from you? Dutch Oven = Porsche?

(BTW: neither folk process nor folk etymology. The word "Dutch" in various spelling variants used to refer to the whole family of languages; original meaning: "of common people, as opposed to Latin". In "Gulliver's Travels", we find the distinction of "High Dutch, or German" vs. "Low Dutch".)


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Subject: RE: BS: Hotter than Dutch love
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 24 Jul 14 - 12:29 PM

Most Americans think of "Pennsylvania Dutch," as a reference to German-speaking Germans.
On the other hand "going Dutch," "Dutch treat," refers to the (supposedly) niggardly Netherlanders.

Dutch Love is an old expression in the U. S., (see Margaret, above)
but I haven't found the origin.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hotter than Dutch love
From: Ed T
Date: 24 Jul 14 - 12:48 PM

Dutch cough=Dutch oven.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hotter than Dutch love
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 24 Jul 14 - 12:58 PM

Why "Dutch cap", BTW?


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Subject: RE: BS: Hotter than Dutch love
From: Ed T
Date: 24 Jul 14 - 01:09 PM

Possible source of Dutch Cap term (Wiki):

""American birth control activist Margaret Sanger fled to Europe in 1914 to escape prosecution under the Comstock laws, which prohibited sending contraceptive devices, or information about contraception, through the mail. Sanger learned about the diaphragm in the Netherlands and introduced the product to the United States when she returned in 1916. Sanger and her second husband, Noah Slee, illegally imported large quantities of the devices from Germany and the Netherlands. In 1925, Slee provided funding to Sanger's friend Herbert Simonds, who used the funds to found the first diaphragm manufacturing company in the U.S., the Holland-Rantos Company.""


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Subject: RE: BS: Hotter than Dutch love
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 24 Jul 14 - 02:10 PM

Thank you, Ed. I should have thought of wiki.

My late first wife Valerie was at one time a sub-editor on women's magazines 'Housewife' & 'Flair'. She claimed that she was once just in time, at the proof stage, to alter a headline that read "Knit yourself this little Dutch cap".

Hmmmm...

~M~


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