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BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry

Peter T. 24 Dec 05 - 09:27 PM
Once Famous 24 Dec 05 - 09:21 PM
Donuel 24 Dec 05 - 02:04 PM
John MacKenzie 24 Dec 05 - 01:44 PM
Peace 24 Dec 05 - 12:00 PM
Once Famous 24 Dec 05 - 11:51 AM
Donuel 24 Dec 05 - 09:31 AM
alanabit 24 Dec 05 - 08:36 AM
Peter T. 24 Dec 05 - 06:52 AM
John MacKenzie 24 Dec 05 - 04:27 AM
GUEST,Marion 24 Dec 05 - 12:32 AM
gnu 23 Dec 05 - 02:48 PM
kendall 23 Dec 05 - 01:46 PM
GUEST,rarelamb 23 Dec 05 - 01:27 PM
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MMario 23 Dec 05 - 11:32 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry
From: Peter T.
Date: 24 Dec 05 - 09:27 PM

Then perhaps it is time to update the Torah, like Leviticus. Why we should be obeying specific social rules set down for a bunch of tribesmen 3000 years ago in the desert continues to be a mystery to me.

yours,

Peter T.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry
From: Once Famous
Date: 24 Dec 05 - 09:21 PM

Gok, I don't try to sound liberal because I am not. For the far-left here, being a moderate is way too far to the right for them!

Peace, I belong to a Reform congregation. My Rabbi tends to swing a bit more conservative which is OK with me. The Torah clearly states as he has read it to me that the torah is against homosexuality. Reform Jews who don't buy into this are like all other too far-left liberals who tend to make up their own rules for their own agendas.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Dec 05 - 02:04 PM

hey I never said if it forbidden in the bible or not, I could care less.



but descriptions of homsexual acts and affection...its there.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 24 Dec 05 - 01:44 PM

That's better, the sound of people trying desperately to be liberal, was deafening.
G..


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Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry
From: Peace
Date: 24 Dec 05 - 12:00 PM

"According to the Torah, homosexuality is completely forbidden, even by the Reform movement."

You are right about the "Torah", Martin--but the CCAR says you may be wrong about the Reform view.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry
From: Once Famous
Date: 24 Dec 05 - 11:51 AM

Donuel, that is complete crap. You are right you are not a bible scholar.

According to the Torah, homosexuality is completely forbidden, even by the Reform movement.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Dec 05 - 09:31 AM

Ebbie, thanks. I am not a bible scholar, or even a devout browser, I am referring to the information given me via an NPR interview with the current poet laureate. He read the passage regarding David's lamentations of his beloved boy friend. David goes on to say explicitly what they did together and how it was far better and sensuous than it was with a woman.

If the kid's name was Johnaton or not I am not sure but to recognize this passage as anything but sexual would have to be done with fingers crossed and blinders on.


.....

btw I caught another interesting and easy typo. devour / devout


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Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry
From: alanabit
Date: 24 Dec 05 - 08:36 AM

It is so obviously fair to respect the right of people to live and share with whoever they see fit. The wonder is that it ever occurred to anyone to interfere. No gay person has ever seen the need to interfere in my bedroom. They have every right to require the same courtesy from me. Good luck to them.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry
From: Peter T.
Date: 24 Dec 05 - 06:52 AM

The "in your face" part of the gay tradition is a reaction to the years, centuries of closeting. It may very well fade away as acceptance grows. On the other hand, there are a lot of Canadian exhibitionists (cold weather is another form of closeting) -- we now seem to go in for Caribbean parades and gay parades at the drop of a flashy feather. It should all be seen against the historical backdrop of a really, really boring country.

yours,

Peter T.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 24 Dec 05 - 04:27 AM

It would be equally distasteful were the protagonists heterosexual. This vogue for flaunting ones bedroom habits in public is self indulgent exhibitionism.

G


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Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry
From: GUEST,Marion
Date: 24 Dec 05 - 12:32 AM

It's important to note that that bit in Leviticus doesn't say to not be gay - what it says is that you shouldn't have sex with men. So straight men and lesbians are OK - it's straight women and gay men that are sinners.

Gnu said: What is not to understand? To tell you the truth, I don't really understand what offends you about the pride parade. Attendance is optional, and the straight people who choose to attend aren't told that they must be queer or that they shouldn't have equal freedoms. So how are anyone's rights infringed on?

Is it the public nudity that bothers you? I doubt that the handful of naked men and topless women are being shown in the newspapers and TV news. You have to go out of your way to see them in person, and I think people know what to reasonably expect if they go to a pride parade.

(Of course, shutting down Yonge and Church streets does inconvenience downtown drivers, but that's true of all parades and isn't a reason to pick on the pride parade).

Marion


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Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry
From: gnu
Date: 23 Dec 05 - 02:48 PM

GUEST, BazT said : "It annoys me that people have nothing better to do than try and tell others how they should or shouldn't run their lives. If someone stuck their face in mine to tell me who I can or can't love or marry, I'm afraid I would punch them square on the bracket until they stopped."

Preface - I wish Elton and David a wonderful union. And, Rosie O'Donnell is as good a mother as any child could be brought up by.

Now, here's the scoop. What could be more "in the face" than the largest Gay Parade on earth being PARADED through downtown Toronto and on the news and in the newspapers? It's just rude! What is not to understand? I was brought up to repect others. Perhaps some Golden Rule might apply here?

Pierre Trudeau said it was time the government got out of the bedrooms of the nation... he did not say the bedroom should be paraded down Main Street. Some polite good manners in the gay community might help.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry
From: kendall
Date: 23 Dec 05 - 01:46 PM

The part you are talking about, MG, is Liviticus. That section also says that touching the skin of a dead pig is also condemned. Why don't we do away with football?

Again, the name calling, we can do without that.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry
From: GUEST,rarelamb
Date: 23 Dec 05 - 01:27 PM

I love the old testament. That was when god was cool. Think of the story of Lott. Bunch of people want to bugger his angelic guests and so he sends out his daughters for a little bit of love :) Town burns down in a hail of godly vengence (Woot, wish I could have seen that!) and Lott's daughters get him drunk and well .....they didn't play cards :)

I mean the story has everything. Sex, angels, big explosions, sex, upright protagonist, sex.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry
From: freda underhill
Date: 23 Dec 05 - 01:25 PM

The most important things to do in the world are to get something to eat, something to drink and somebody to love you.

Brendan Behan


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Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry
From: Peace
Date: 23 Dec 05 - 01:19 PM

If I may interrupt here. It does not say that in the Bible. Many scholars have posited the possibility of a homosexual relationship--even argued the probability of such a relationship. However, the Bible itself doesn't state it in a claer manner. Whether or not it ever did (before the editing and rewrites) is beyond my knowledge. If one googles

homosexuality and the Bible

there is much argument to choose from. As is usual, some arguments better than others. The question is also alluded to in the Nag Hammadi (sp?) which I read years ago.

As to His possible marriage: there is good argument in favour of such a belief. the wedding at Cana is fairly enticing. Traditionally, the groom served wine at Jewish weddings. It was very strange for a Jewish man (especially a rabbi) to be unmarried. What all this means I do not know. I think I never shall.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry
From: freda underhill
Date: 23 Dec 05 - 01:13 PM

Love is a fire. But whether it is going to warm your heart or burn down your house, you can never tell.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry
From: Ebbie
Date: 23 Dec 05 - 12:57 PM

"In the bible David states incontravertibly that he has sex with men." donuel

Where in the Bible does it say that, Don? {I know about his beloved Jonathan, btw.} But where does it say that?

I like the pictures you come up with, and I frequently value your input. However, sometimes you make a statement that someone disputes and you never answer that. I would appreciate an answer to this one: Where in the Bible does it say that, Don?


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Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 23 Dec 05 - 11:37 AM

That's because they are married Mario! After all without marriage adultery is impossible.
G.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry
From: MMario
Date: 23 Dec 05 - 11:32 AM

hmmmm - people don't make this much stink about adulterers - and adultery is forbidden a lot more times in the bible then gay sex is.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry
From: kendall
Date: 23 Dec 05 - 11:30 AM

I'm sure glad the old testament didn't forbid having blue eyes. To condemn someone for being born gay makes about as much sense.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry
From: leftydee
Date: 23 Dec 05 - 11:17 AM

I think , if I read my history right, that Jesus probably was married. The reason being is that ALL men got married in that day. If he hadn't been married it would be quite remarkable and therefore probably mentioned by one of those who wrote the Gospels. If he was married, would it change anything? Would he be less to you?


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Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 23 Dec 05 - 04:19 AM

Ditto!


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Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry
From: Hrothgar
Date: 23 Dec 05 - 03:51 AM

Not being married does not mean that you are gay.

If it does, I have problems I didn't even know about.........


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Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Dec 05 - 11:05 PM

In the bible David states incontravertibly that he has sex with men.
The reason why this was left in the bible is probably because he was a Jew and not a "disciple".

here is visual proof that gay marriage is tearing the fabric of morality to shreds.

http://www.angelfire.com/md2/customviolins/moral2.jpg


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Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Dec 05 - 09:15 PM

Tut Tut Martin...jealousy does not become you.
The Right Man will come along, patience old bean...stiff upper and all that.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry
From: Once Famous
Date: 22 Dec 05 - 09:00 PM

Well, I'm glad these two fags can do it in England and not here. I wonder if they both have stock in a hemmoroid ointment company.

This just continues to be the deterioration of British civilization.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry
From: GUEST,Yeah?
Date: 22 Dec 05 - 07:05 PM

You may be mistaken about that. I have read a good deal of alternative literature that suggests he WAS married, to the woman depicted as Mary Magdalene in the gospels (edited after the fact books) that the church priests in Constantinople eventually decided to make the "official" version. They wanted to cast things in a way that suited their particular viewpoint and their power structure, and they wanted to reduce Mary's importance in the Christian pantheon considerably. They also wanted to reinforce the rather new notion of a celibate priesthood.

Jesus was referred to as "Rabbi" in the texts on several occasions. I don't believe you could be a rabbi in that society unless you were married...to a woman, needless to say.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry
From: GUEST,guest
Date: 22 Dec 05 - 06:40 PM

Jesus was gay. Why do you think he wasn't in a heterosexual union?


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Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry
From: Peace
Date: 22 Dec 05 - 06:21 PM

I abhor the word 'veggie'. Nothin' personal.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 22 Dec 05 - 12:48 PM

I scoffed loudly when I heard that our beloved leader Anthony Charles Lynton Blair sent his congratulations to Elton John and David Furnish on the occasion of their union.
I notice that he didn't do the same for the first male homosexual couple to do this in Belfast.
The Labour Party does not exist in Northern Ireland and to do so would have gained him no votes, so why bother.
But Elton is famous, and Tony has always tried to toady up to pop celebrities, hoping it would gain him votes, and a few sycophantic headlines.
This is all about TB preparing his place in history, and garnering votes for the Labour party!
Giok..


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Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry
From: Big Mick
Date: 22 Dec 05 - 12:19 PM

OK, lets see ...... ummmmhhh ...... We have planes taking down buildings, a President and a Prime Minister making a war based on phony intelligence, Middle class folks are getting their lunch handed to them, a crippling strike in NYC, my friends dog got her tail cut off in a door, I had a heart attack 18 months ago, I need to get busy on a CD..........

I guess I just don't have time to worry about this silly shit.

Blessings on all people that decide to live together in love.

Mick


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Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry
From: GUEST,rarelamb
Date: 22 Dec 05 - 12:15 PM

Does love exist?


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Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry
From: SunnySister
Date: 22 Dec 05 - 12:14 PM

When I want to study how long, healthy, loving relationships, I look to my friends and family for examples. It seems that two of the longest, healthest and happiest relationship that I know of happen to be two gay male couples.

When I asked a member of one the couples, they both devoted to each other for over 15 years, what he thought of San Francisco Mayor allowing gay marriages back a year or so ago, he said that that would be great because as it stands my friend would not be allowed to visit his partner if his partner was placed in an intensive care unit in the hospital. Hearing this opened my eyes.

It seems to me that this world has gotten things confused. Hate and war are the "in" things to believe and support. Love and tolerance are considered dangerous and subversive. Doesn't make sense to me and I won't hold my breath that it will make sense any time soon either.

To love and caring relationships in all of their forms,
--- SunnySister, who is a vegetarian who eats SmartDogs (veggie soy hot dogs on occasion)


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Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 22 Dec 05 - 12:11 PM

I don't see what the big deal about same sex marriage is. We heterosexuals have been having same sex marriages for years. We get married and after about two years the sex is always the same.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry
From: David C. Carter
Date: 22 Dec 05 - 12:07 PM

Just did.Thanks.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry
From: MMario
Date: 22 Dec 05 - 12:05 PM

your cookie probably crumbled - go login.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry
From: GUEST,David Carter
Date: 22 Dec 05 - 11:55 AM

So how come I'm a "Guest"so suddenly?


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Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry
From: Ebbie
Date: 22 Dec 05 - 11:54 AM

Yeah, Donuel - and have about as much success defeating it as they have in the war against terror.

Kind of cool, though: If we don't nip this in the bud, civilisation is doomed; marriage between decent people will be legislated out of existence because decent people will be embarrassed to admit they are married with the result that children will no longer know their parents... Civilisation is doomed, I tell you. Therefore: We declare war against Love.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Dec 05 - 11:24 AM

Giork.
You ever tasted roast leg of soya and mint sauce?



Soja Gigot!!!!Merde alors


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Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Dec 05 - 10:26 AM

The anti gay marriage ammendment is missing in action.
Where'd it go? Is it only good for election time distraction and then it is put back in the closet?

If they were serious they would declare a war. An honest to god shock and awe attack on gays, gay marriage, the founder of the FBI, US Senators, Pentagon staff, the Vatican, Hollywood, a few founding fathers, David in the bible and perhaps Jesus himself (if that exsponged dead sea scroll was accurate).


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Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry
From: number 6
Date: 22 Dec 05 - 08:40 AM

Gays Marry ... I think this is great!

giok ... good one .. I too wonder vegetarians dress Soya up to look like meat ... and I'm guilty of doing just that myself.

sIx


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Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry
From: Grab
Date: 22 Dec 05 - 08:28 AM

PP, I suspect that the God of these "pro-family" protesters isn't too happy about Christmas anyway, since we're celebrating some guy who went round promising peace, love and tolerance regardless of who you happen to be...


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Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry
From: *daylia*
Date: 22 Dec 05 - 08:19 AM

I'm surprised Elton didn't save his strength to run the field he plays alone.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Dec 05 - 08:03 AM

I wonder who the closet gays were in the bible stories. And why didn't they feel the warmth and love spread by jesus and stand up for their beliefs? Could it be they feared for their lives?


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Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry
From: Pied Piper
Date: 22 Dec 05 - 07:54 AM

Woe and thrice woe.

This is realy going to ruin Gods Christmas.

PP


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Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry
From: GUEST,BazT
Date: 22 Dec 05 - 05:52 AM

All the people lined up on the roadside to try and ruin these couples special day make me sick. Why can't people just mind their own business? I mean, a gay couple love each other, decide to get hitched....BIG DEAL!! It's none of my business, and it's none of your business either! So why spend all day braying "Repent!" at them? Wankers.

Sorry, had to get that off my chest. It annoys me that people have nothing better to do than try and tell others how they should or shouldn't run their lives. If someone stuck their face in mine to tell me who I can or can't love or marry, I'm afraid I would punch them square on the bracket until they stopped.

Oh, one thing that made me laugh was a guy stood with all the haters with their placards with his own placard that read "The Earth Is Flat"! Quality!


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Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry
From: Firecat
Date: 22 Dec 05 - 05:45 AM

I don't see what all the fuss is about. You can't help who you fall in love with.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 22 Dec 05 - 05:34 AM

Good for them, I say. Though the concept of "tying the knot" had me wincing at some of the imagery. But on a serious note - this is not "marriage", not in the religious sense, so let the fanatics calm down. It is simply society's recognition of a relationship.

It's not Elton that is coming out of the closet, but society itself - no longer pretending that such relationships don't exist or that they are somehow sick.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry
From: Paul Burke
Date: 22 Dec 05 - 05:29 AM

Are vegetarians allowed to get married too then?

And do they play hide the sausage?


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