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Lyr Req: Little Johnny England

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Missouri Pam 15 Jan 99 - 06:36 PM
Robin 17 Jan 99 - 06:58 PM
Missouri Pam 21 Jan 99 - 02:57 AM
GUEST,chrispetz 14 Jun 04 - 04:09 PM
Compton 14 Jun 04 - 07:22 PM
Snuffy 14 Jun 04 - 07:39 PM
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Tinker 15 Jun 04 - 08:19 PM
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Les in Chorlton 23 Jan 11 - 01:17 PM
GUEST,Its Pennycake. 23 Jan 11 - 02:10 PM
GUEST 09 Jan 12 - 11:12 PM
GUEST,Guest ::::: Chris Thomas 01 Jun 19 - 09:44 AM
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GUEST,LynnH 07 Jun 19 - 04:01 AM
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Subject: Looking for: Little Johnny England
From: Missouri Pam
Date: 15 Jan 99 - 06:36 PM

It's an old camp song we're getting ready to record, but there's one word in dispute, having been learned by rote for many years. The refrain:
    Little Johnny England, he went a-wanderin',
    He went a-wanderin' all day long.
    He went a-wanderin', tossing up his pennigan,
    He went a-wanderin' all day long.
No one seems to know what "pennigan" is, or even if that's the correct word. The concensus is that it must be a cap or small pouch.

If anyone can solve this mystery or point me to a definitive resource, you have my profound thanks.


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Subject: RE: Looking for Little Johnny England
From: Robin
Date: 17 Jan 99 - 06:58 PM

I keep looking to see if my hunch is right but no definate solutions. According to Webster a penni[g] is a small or copper coin and a gan is an enclosed place or maybe that's where the pen comes in. I believe it must be a coin purse but I've been wrong before and I am unfamiliar to the song and new to the web. love the sight.Good luck on your search.


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Subject: RE: Looking for
From: Missouri Pam
Date: 21 Jan 99 - 02:57 AM

Thanks, Robin - I saw "penni" in my dictionary, too, but I didn't think to check "gan" by itself. It makes perfect sense, whether or not the word is authentic.

I appreciate your research and reply.


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Subject: RE: Looking for "Little Johnny England"
From: GUEST,chrispetz
Date: 14 Jun 04 - 04:09 PM

Hi there
I'm searching with some urgency for the words and music for Little Johnny England to put into a school play we are producing in mid July.
I see from the notes that you might be able to help?
regards
Chris


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Subject: RE: Looking for "Little Johnny England"
From: Compton
Date: 14 Jun 04 - 07:22 PM

It's sung on "Grandson of Morris On"...Ashley Hutchings, et al.Maybe someone can get it from there!


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Subject: RE: Looking for "Little Johnny England"
From: Snuffy
Date: 14 Jun 04 - 07:39 PM

How about Pannikin - " a small metal (usu. tinned iron) drinking vessel; also the contents of this" Shorter Oxford Dictionary.


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Subject: RE: Looking for 'Little Johnny England'
From: gnomad
Date: 15 Jun 04 - 03:44 PM

As a child I heard this sung by one person as pannikin, and by another as penny cake.

As penny bread cakes were available at the time the latter concept made better sense to me, but nobody would tell me WHY he would want to toss anything, in fact I would still like to know.


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Subject: Lyr Add: LITTLE JOHNNY ENGLAND
From: Tinker
Date: 15 Jun 04 - 08:19 PM

LITTLE JOHNNY ENGLAND

Little Johnny England he went a wandering
He went a wandering all day long
He went a wandering with his little penniken
He went a wandering all day long.

You are the butchers. You are the bakers.
You are the candlestick makers.
You're the linen weavers. You're the linen drapers.
You are the brokers. You're all the broker's men.

Little Johnny England he went a wandering
He went a wandering all day long
He went a wandering with his little penniken
He went a wandering all day long.

We are the butchers. We are the bakers.
We are the candlestick makers.
We're the linen weavers. We're the linen drapers.
We are the brokers. We're all the broker's men.

Learnt this in 1968 at Camp Bonnie Brae in East Otis Massachusetts. We were told that a penniken was a type of cane.   It was often mangled into pelican. The song leader would divide the group into parts during the first verse and each section would wave their arms as their name was sung. Everyone joined in as the brokers men.

tinker


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Subject: RE: Looking for 'Little Johnny England'
From: GUEST,jtagnes@yahoo.com
Date: 15 Jun 04 - 08:32 PM

From my girl scout days: Little Johnny was a beggar. He held out his pannikin, a small cup, asking people to drop in coins.
Thanks for giving me a fun song to sing this evening.


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Subject: RE: Looking for 'Little Johnny England'
From: GUEST,ChrisPetz@aol.com
Date: 17 Jun 04 - 11:11 AM

Thanks Tinker, Compton and the others.
You've saved my bacon.
Chris


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Little Johnny England
From: GUEST,idebbi
Date: 20 Apr 08 - 10:59 PM

i believe the correct word is 'pannikin' which i believe is a small metal dish....


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Little Johnny England
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Jan 11 - 08:58 PM

a pannikin is another word for a hobo bindle- the stuff in a bandanna tied to the end of a stick. Im 100% positive thats what a pannikin is


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Little Johnny England
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 23 Jan 11 - 01:17 PM

FiddlerNick | 15 September 2008 | 2 likes, 0 dislikes
The tune for LJE came from a song used in a traditional game played in the playground of Moulton primary school. In the 1970's it was adopted for a rather destructive sort of dance. Count the number of broken sticks replaced during this performance. Recorded Bromyard Festival 08

Recorded by Little Johnny England

L in C#


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Little Johnny England
From: GUEST,Its Pennycake.
Date: 23 Jan 11 - 02:10 PM

Its 'pennycake in' the version we recorded. Don't know what ashleys source was.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Little Johnny England
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Jan 12 - 11:12 PM

what a cool site! my mom taught us pennikin in tne 1970's


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Little Johnny England
From: GUEST,Guest ::::: Chris Thomas
Date: 01 Jun 19 - 09:44 AM

I've known this little campfire Song a long time and I know it well!

He went A-Wandering tossing up a >>>>>>>>>PENNYCAKE<<<<<<<<<
Which simply refers to our Johnny walking and flipping a coin into the air. PENNYCAKE was a knickname for the coin itself


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Little Johnny England
From: GUEST,LynnH
Date: 01 Jun 19 - 02:14 PM

Since there's no other way it'll get into circulation, here's a version I made up based on a pub sign in Chepstow:

OLd Johnny England aka The Five Alls:

1. Old Johnny England he went a'wandering,
   All alone where the four winds call
   He went a'wandering, tossing up a penny cake
   He went a'wandering all day long
CHORUS: Old Johnny England he went a'wandering
       He went a'wandering all day long.
       He went a'wandering, tossing up a penny cake
       He went a'wandering all day long

2. Private Tommy Atkins was the first one he met with
   Musket on his shoulder on the sentry-go.
   "I'll fight for all, no matter if they're rich or poor"
   "Well you're a friend," says Johnny,"and a good man to know."

3. Outside a church he met the Reverend Clergyman
   Blessing his flock as they took their leave.
   "I pray for all and not just on a sunday:"
   Says Johnny,"You're a good man, in that I do believe."

4. In an office in the city he met with Billy Lawyer
   Studying a brief on a poor man's claim.
   "I believe in justice and so I will plead for all."
   "You're a friend," says Johnny,"that's worthy of the name."

5. And the next one they met with was none but the king himself
   Weighed down with worry and creased with care.
   "I rule all and must try to do it fairly."
   "Come with us," says Johnny,"and our troubles we can share."

6. And when they were together they went to an alehouse
   Their friendship to seal in the proper style.
   "Now Johnny," they said, "tell us what you do?"
   "I must pay for all," Johnny wryly smiled.

If anybody wants to sing this....GREAT!! Credit, if and where necessary, to Lynn H.Wise - I'd be grateful!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Little Johnny England
From: GUEST,LynnH
Date: 07 Jun 19 - 04:01 AM

Oh dear, I really must sort out my song archives! The version posted above -1.June '19- is the 1977 Mk.I version. The 'official' Mk.II version (1978) has a different first verse:

Old Johhny England he went a'wandering
All alone where the four winds call.
Looking for friends to travel along with him
With arts and skills they would use for all.
CHORUS:

The idea came from the pub sign of The Five Alls Inn in Chepstow.

Tune & chorus: Traditional. Verses: Lynn H. Wise 1978


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Little Johnny England
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Apr 20 - 11:02 AM

Wow! I had no idea how many different ways there were to mondegreen that predicate noun! My own mondegreen was "He went a wandering with his little pentagon". Knew that couldn't be right so went looking for the answer and wound up here.


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