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Once Famous 30 Nov 05 - 09:25 PM
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Subject: Limeliters vs. Kingston Trio
From: Once Famous
Date: 30 Nov 05 - 09:25 PM

I have heard that there is some kind of rift between these two folk groups. It seems two former Limeliters are now in the Kingston Trio and that one Trio member was fired and replaced with someone who quit the Limeliters to go to the Kingston Trio.

Anyhone have any details?


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Subject: RE: Limeliters vs. Kingston Trio
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Nov 05 - 09:28 PM

Researching an article for National Enquirer?


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Subject: RE: Limeliters vs. Kingston Trio
From: Rapparee
Date: 30 Nov 05 - 09:31 PM

Haven't heard a word. Sorry.

(I was in Chicago over the Tgiving days. Forget the turkey, eat the hot dogs! Yeah!)


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Subject: RE: Limeliters vs. Kingston Trio
From: Once Famous
Date: 30 Nov 05 - 09:31 PM

Yeah, it will be run after the naked pictures of your mother.


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Subject: RE: Limeliters vs. Kingston Trio
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 30 Nov 05 - 09:31 PM

You....Mr. Martin....are an Id-jet!!!!

PLEASE!!! provide sources....person/publication, date/time/year, location, even a "he said, she said, they said" with time stamp.

Sincerely,
Gargoyle


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Subject: RE: Limeliters vs. Kingston Trio
From: Once Famous
Date: 30 Nov 05 - 09:33 PM

It's Mr. Gibson to you Gargle breath. I'm looking for the same info you are because inquiring minds want to know.


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Subject: RE: Limeliters vs. Kingston Trio
From: Cluin
Date: 30 Nov 05 - 09:34 PM

Shades of that whole Poco/Eagles thing.


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Subject: RE: Limeliters vs. Kingston Trio
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Nov 05 - 10:43 PM

Mr. Martineee, I believe Mr. Gargoyleee is challenging you on the original source of your spurulous statement. In other words, he presented a "challenge" to put-up, or shut-up. Libel cases can cross international borders. You may have less than the coat on your back but even it can be removed to let you shiver in the cold December of your "Winter of Discontent" if you cannot respond to the demands of authentication for your sources. You are not a journalist, and you state that "you have heard"....but both groups involved have outstanding , star-status, reputations. Dance, prance, around but someone, with legal backing, is ready to "call-your-bluff."


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Subject: RE: Limeliters vs. Kingston Trio
From: frogprince
Date: 30 Nov 05 - 11:13 PM

The "Kingston Trio" hasn't really been the Kingston Trio for nearly 40 years anyhow. I have no idea if anything is left of the Limelighters except a hand-me-down name, either.


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Subject: RE: Limeliters vs. Kingston Trio
From: DonMeixner
Date: 30 Nov 05 - 11:39 PM

Just go to The Limeliters and Kingston Trio's respective sites. Everything is laid out for you there. The current KT has no original members. George Grove is the closest with the other two members both being former Limeliters but not original members. The Limeliters still has Alex Hasilev, a founder, and two others whom I do not know.

If there ever was a rift it is now mended I'd say.

Don


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Subject: RE: Limeliters vs. Kingston Trio
From: theballadeer
Date: 01 Dec 05 - 08:49 AM

No...there is a rift...with the current version. It comes up on the Kingston Crossroads message board. And it is pretty much as stated above. 2-replacement Limeliters left the group. But firt to join Glen Yarbourgh's (sp) folk reunion. Then Bob Shane (last original Kingston Trio (KT) in the group) got very sick and Bill Zorn former replacement Limeliter (and replacement KT from the 70's) joined or rejoined KT. Then Bob Haworth KT replacement from the late 80's and again in late 90's is unceremoniously fired and his replacement is the other replacement Limeliter Rick Dougherty. Alex Hasilev (as stated) is only surving and active member of either group.


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Subject: RE: Limeliters vs. Kingston Trio
From: jimmyt
Date: 01 Dec 05 - 08:45 PM

I saw them in Concord NH a few months ago with Groves and Hayworth but it would not suprise me if they had some additional changes. Not too cohesive at that morph. The Shaw Brothers opened for them and in my opinion they were much better than the KT 3 at that time


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Subject: RE: Limeliters vs. Kingston Trio
From: Once Famous
Date: 01 Dec 05 - 11:43 PM

Shove it, Guest. You lose.

Thank you, Don and TheBalladeer. I figured there was some truth to what I "heard"


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Subject: RE: Limeliters vs. Kingston Trio
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 02 Dec 05 - 04:51 AM

Will Mitch and Mickey kiss in the last frame?

can't wait!


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Subject: RE: Limeliters vs. Kingston Trio
From: jimmyt
Date: 02 Dec 05 - 09:05 AM

Why all the anomosity? This thread was asking a legitimate thread about folk music and to many people it is their only contact to folk music. I know many of you elitists here don't consider it folk music but that seems to be a debate that will never end. I won't go back through how many of you actually came to the folk music via groups like Kingston Trio, Limeliters, Brothers Four and Peter, Paul and Mary. Sure it is commercial but if you were to survey America about what comes to mind when you say folk music, I bet these names would come up in a much larger percentage than some of the more "purist" ones.

To me, music is music. You either like it or you don't. If you don't like it one option is to keep quiet about it. Another option is to politely disagree. The third, which seems to be what gets taken here in mudcat a lot is to yell from the treetops "THIS CRAP IS NOT FOLK MUSIC"   Which seems about as socially acceptable as someone at a cocktail party standing up on a chair and saying"HEY EVERYONE THIS   SALSA IS NOT AUTHENTIC! IT HAS EXTRA INGREDIENTS THAT ARE NOT IN REAL SALSA!" At the same time most people are enjoying the salsa, or not but keepng their mouth shut about it.

I just went to the Getaway in MAryland. I had a ball there. Ded some of the music suit my personal tastes?   No. There were slots of genres that I loved, some that I enjoyed for the historical perspective, some I clearly didn't quite get. But I had the sense to keep it to myself. For an evening performance I joined a couple of other Mudcatters, Allan C and Janie to perform an old Kingston Trio number. WHen it was announced I heard the naysayers moaning in the audience. Then I heard 200 people join in on the choruses. I know I am rambling here but, damn, why don't we all open our eyes a bit? We may be surprised at what happens with an open mind.


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Subject: RE: Limeliters vs. Kingston Trio
From: GUEST,Martin gibson
Date: 02 Dec 05 - 12:18 PM

A great response JimmyT!

The naysayer/elitists have always been the worst thing about the whole folk music scene. The moaning and groaning is laughable. They just don't get it the folk music for MOST is not about politics, navel gazing, changing the world, or anything other then rearing back your head and having a good time singing.

to them, If I had a hammer, I'd hammer some sense into them.


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Subject: RE: Limeliters vs. Kingston Trio
From: wordfella
Date: 02 Dec 05 - 01:17 PM

I've been gone a while. I see Martin's back.


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Subject: RE: Limeliters vs. Kingston Trio
From: GUEST,Val
Date: 02 Dec 05 - 01:17 PM

I'm remembering the chorus of a song, that I THINK may have been done by the Limelighters, which seems appropriate. A cursory search of DT didn't yield the result, but that's probably because I'm not searching right.

Anyway, it seems apropos...the ballad was of a 4-man folk group with disparate political views. Chorus was something like:

The guy on the left was...on the Right
and the guy in the middle was... on the Left
and the guy on the left was... in the middle
and the guy in the rear... (this line changed from chorus to chorus - such things as "was a Methodist" or "burned his driver's license")

Anybody know this song, & who it's by?


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Subject: RE: Limeliters vs. Kingston Trio
From: wordfella
Date: 02 Dec 05 - 01:27 PM

Johnny Cash recorded that when his label was positioning him as a relevant folkie. '67 or so.

Not sure about the 'Liters.


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Subject: RE: Limeliters vs. Kingston Trio
From: pdq
Date: 02 Dec 05 - 01:29 PM

Believe it or not, this was done by Johnny Cash.


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Subject: RE: Limeliters vs. Kingston Trio
From: GUEST,Val
Date: 02 Dec 05 - 02:30 PM

Johnny Cash... yeah, maybe that voice could fit with what I remember hearing. I'm old enough to be developing a fair case of CRS disorder, and I only heard the song a few times, so the memory is a bit fuzzy.

Didn't have it on a recording in my own collection & never bothered to learn it. Anybody know a title or the rest of the lyrics?


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Subject: Lyr Add: THE ONE ON THE RIGHT IS ON THE LEFT
From: wordfella
Date: 02 Dec 05 - 02:53 PM

Here ya go:
http://www.cowboylyrics.com/lyrics/cash-johnny/the-one-on-the-right-is-on-the-left-2223.html

Artist/Band: Cash Johnny
Lyrics for Song:
The One On The Right Is On The Left
Lyrics for Album: The Essential Johnny Cash

There once was a musical troupe
A pickin' singin' folk group
They sang the mountain ballads
And the folk songs of our land

They were long on musical ability
Folks thought they would go far
But political incompatibility led to their downfall

Well, the one on the right was on the left
And the one in the middle was on the right
And the one on the left was in the middle
And the guy in the rear was a Methodist

This musical aggregation toured the entire nation
Singing the traditional ballads
And the folk songs of our land
They performed with great virtuosity
And soon they were the rage
But political animosity prevailed upon the stage

Well, the one on the right was on the left
And the one in the middle was on the right
And the one on the left was in the middle
And the guy in the rear burned his driver's license

Well the curtain had ascended
A hush fell on the crowd
As thousands there were gathered to hear The folk songs of our land
But they took their politics seriously
And that night at the concert hall
As the audience watched deliriously
They had a free-for-all

Well, the one on the right was on the bottom
And the one in the middle was on the top
And the one on the left got a broken arm
And the guy in the rear, said, "Oh dear"

Now this should be a lesson if you plan to start a folk group
Don't go mixin' politics with the folk songs of our land
Just work on harmony and diction
Play your banjo well
And if you have political convictions keep them to yourself

Now, the one on the left works in a bank
And the one in the middle drives a truck
The one on the right's an all-night deejay
And the guy in the rear got drafted
    written by "Cowboy" Jack Clement

    Lyrics posted from the cited link.
    -Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Limeliters vs. Kingston Trio
From: pdq
Date: 02 Dec 05 - 03:11 PM

Sorry for cross-posting.

The song was written by "Cowboy" Jack Clement, a fine mandolin player as well as songwriter, singer, producer. Also recording engineer at Sun Studios during early Cash, Elvis, Orbison (et al) period.

It was on Cash's "Everybody Loves A Nut" from 1966. The song is supposed to have been inspired by the legendary fights between Bud and Travis.


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Subject: RE: Limeliters vs. Kingston Trio
From: GUEST,Val
Date: 02 Dec 05 - 04:10 PM

That's it! Thanks.


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Subject: RE: Limeliters vs. Kingston Trio
From: GUEST,Martin gibson
Date: 02 Dec 05 - 04:50 PM

Nice to see "Cowboy" Jack Clement mentioned. He is one of my all-time favorite classic country music songwriters.

I perform at least 3 songs that I know he wrote.


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Subject: RE: Limeliters vs. Kingston Trio
From: Stephen L. Rich
Date: 02 Dec 05 - 06:11 PM

Limeliters vs. Kingston Trio
Live coverage on ESPN2!


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Subject: RE: Limeliters vs. Kingston Trio
From: jimmyt
Date: 02 Dec 05 - 06:58 PM

no matter how "smarmy" and commercial these two groups are, along with the Brothers Four and The New Christy Minstrals and many many others of this type, I still love to hear them. They had energy and harmony and lots of other things that I enjoy listening to. Perhaps they don't have the social commentary of Seeger or Guthrie, but I still enjoy them much like I like reading classics of AMerican or English Literature but still enjoy reading a John Grisham occasionally. I also enjoy being a part of an audience that is having fun and the Kingston Trio audience is having a ball.


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Subject: RE: Limeliters vs. Kingston Trio
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 02 Dec 05 - 11:39 PM

What a peculiar thread of un-verified MUSH.

Sincerely,
Gargoyle

Joe ... as the harvest is completed ... and the DT fades into the permanent archives of "what-ever-land" and the threads in sieve of sifting sands sorts for songs of significance....

Please permit your threads of MG to fade into an abscurity only recorded, and with rare examples of his nasty-precene within the mirror snap-shot - on the LOC archieve.

Sincerely.
Gargoyle


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Subject: RE: Limeliters vs. Kingston Trio
From: Once Famous
Date: 03 Dec 05 - 12:49 PM

Joe,

Gargoyle, I am really so glad that I make you so uncomfortable. Obviously, it's just so easy to do.

Joe, I ask that you ignore this moron's nonsense. It's not his forum, either.


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Subject: RE: Limeliters vs. Kingston Trio
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 03 Dec 05 - 01:16 PM

Would you kids play nice or take it outside in the schoolyard. Jeesh.

I had heard that Haworth left the group, but I did not hear that he was "fired". Bob's website says that he left the group to work on his solo career. OF course we can read into it what we wish, and I have no knowledge of the gossip.   Curious though.


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Subject: RE: Limeliters vs. Kingston Trio
From: theballadeer
Date: 03 Dec 05 - 01:44 PM

Read it in Bob's own words...

Nick


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Subject: RE: Limeliters vs. Kingston Trio
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Dec 05 - 01:59 PM

New Crusty Nostrils! I'm anti not proboscis.


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Subject: RE: Limeliters vs. Kingston Trio
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 03 Dec 05 - 02:18 PM

when does this fight take place, is anybody taking bets?


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Subject: RE: Limeliters vs. Kingston Trio
From: Joe Offer
Date: 03 Dec 05 - 04:15 PM

For the record, here's what Bobby Haworth said on his message board on October 12, 2005:
    Ross, it's great to hear from you! I hope we keep in touch as time goes on.

    What happened, you ask? Well, as you guessed, when Shane left the whole group dynamic changed. I've know Bill Zorn since his New Christy Minstrel days back in the 1960's - thought we had a good friendship. But several months before Bob's heart incident George and I had gone to Bill (he and Rick Dougherty had just left The Limeliters and were working on putting the show with Glenn Yarbrough together) and asked if he might someday consider taking Shane's place if he decided to retire. His response was that he was so loyal to Rick that he couldn't contemplate leaving him high and dry - so could we make it The Kingston Quartet? Well, we didn't think that would work, although I find it interesting that some folks have subsequently suggested that as a viable option. Anyway, my take on this situation is that Bill's loyalty to Rick and his enamorment with Rick's vocal abilities led him to work on Shane over time to get me ousted and put Rick in my place. There's no disputing the fact that Rick has a beautiful voice, but things were going fine as they were and the saddest thing about the whole matter was the way it was handled. I was given very little notice on this and probably would not have found out as early as I did had it not been for my walking in on a conversation that George and Bob were having on July 4th. As I entered the room I detected that talk suddenly switched gears and I had my suspicions that something was up. Why couldn't they have just come out and told me that they wanted to make a change? It was all arranged behind my back and then I guess they planned to spring it on me after our last gig in July. It really put our financial situation in a tailspin as it was, but had I not known about it until nearly a month later we would have really been in trouble. As it was, Meri managed to do some fiscal two-steps that at least bought us some time to get back on our feet. So, sadly, I don't have many nice thoughts about a couple of the key players in this.

    But - we're on to better things. On the upside, I can now walk on stage and sing whatever the hell music I want to. I can now do my own material, play any brand of guitar and do the show the way I want to do it. As wonderful as it was to be a member of such a seminal group, there were some restrictions that made it, in the end, just a gig. Now I have the freedom to be creative in my own way. Also, our work for Parkinson's has proven to be an endeavor that we can be proud of. Through our fund-raising efforts we hope to drive research toward a cure in the next few years. Our many friends who have Parkinson's are progressing through the disease and it's a sad thing to see. We want to do anything we can to make them well.


I have to say that to my mind, the Limeliters and the Kingston Trio no longer exist, and they can't be put back together. I saw the Kingston Trio two or three times in the late 1980's and early 1990's, when Bob Shane was still around - but it still didn't seem like the Kingston Trio to me. The Limeliters survived the loss of Glenn Yarbrough and still did quite well with their music - but I think the loss of Lou Gottlieb finished them off. I think Alex Hasilev is a wonderful performer, but I don't think he can continue the Limeliters on his own, without Gottlieb.


I've received complaints about the combative posts from Gargoyle, Martin Gibson, and others in this thread. There's good information here, so I don't want to shut down the thread. Boys, please behave. Show us that you can actually carry on a logical discussion, and we'll all be impressed - and grateful. Name-calling doesn't add to the discussion.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Limeliters vs. Kingston Trio
From: Once Famous
Date: 04 Dec 05 - 12:31 PM

Well, Joe.

Take a look at who started the combativeness. I started this thread looking for some legititmate varification, and then you have Gargoyle jumping in and making quite a fool of himself doing so.

When I responded to this ignorance, he comes back for more which he kind of deserves. So don't look at me. He wanted proof and the Balladeer and yourself helped give it to him and I thank you for it. I would like to keep this thread alive as I have a defenate interest in these groups and folk music from the "scare" era much more than I do of what the so-called purists with beards and bellys think it is.

As far as combative posts go, this whole web forum is completely full of them and this thread certainly should not be singled out by the whiners. Don't like what I or someone else wrote or expressed, why don't you just ignore it? Grow up.
    Well, as I so often told my kids: I don't care who started it - I just want it to stop! Maybe that's not justice; but it's my job to keep the peace, not to referee. So, I stop the combat, without passing judgment. Just be civil, and don't call people names. That's all.
    As for me, I'm not taking sides with nobody.
    -Joe Offer, 5 December-


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Subject: RE: Limeliters vs. Kingston Trio
From: Big Mick
Date: 04 Dec 05 - 12:47 PM

A couple of qualifiers here. First, I have quarrelled with Martin Gibson many times when I thought he was crass, or just being nasty. Second, I have quarrelled with Gargoyle many times when I thought he was being crass or nasty. This makes me an equal opportunity quarreller with those being crass or nasty.

Martin didn't do a thing wrong here. Folks, it shows a lack of depth when you don't recognize change. Martin started a thread about two of the quintessiental 'NAMES' in our world. He simply asked a question. The combativeness was not started by him. And when someone else started, he reacted in a rather subdued way when compared to his earlier postings. There is no need for Joe, or any of us, to admonish him to behave. He is, and has been as of late, unless attacked.

Don't mistake me here. A return to the old ways will lead me to do what I have been doing right along. But failure to recognize change is just as bad.

Mick


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Subject: RE: Limeliters vs. Kingston Trio
From: Once Famous
Date: 04 Dec 05 - 01:12 PM

Mick, Thank you. It seems more and more are seeing it your way. The double standard of Mudcat is showing through clearer and clearer and the culprits are becoming more and more visible.

Now Joe needs to stop bending over for his favorites and pals.


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Subject: RE: Limeliters vs. Kingston Trio
From: jimmyt
Date: 04 Dec 05 - 01:17 PM

hear! hear! I agree with Mick completely. Martin can't seem to get a break, and certainly anyone who offers a thread related to these "Commercial" folk groups seems to be setting himself up for the wrath of the purists.


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Subject: RE: Limeliters vs. Kingston Trio
From: Once Famous
Date: 04 Dec 05 - 01:25 PM

Thanks to you too, jimmyT.

The so-called purists are pseudo-eliteists out of touch with much.

I have hung in there tough because of the double stanbdard.


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Subject: RE: Limeliters vs. Kingston Trio
From: pdq
Date: 04 Dec 05 - 04:00 PM

I never fail to read posts by Gargoyle, Claymore, Clinton Hammond AND Martin Gibson. They are The Four Horsemen of Mudcat and stand out as iconoclasts in a sea whiney sameness.


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Subject: RE: Limeliters vs. Kingston Trio
From: Once Famous
Date: 04 Dec 05 - 07:41 PM

That's OK with me.


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Subject: RE: Limeliters vs. Kingston Trio
From: JennyO
Date: 04 Dec 05 - 08:47 PM

Well at least it ain't dull around here! As Mick and JimmyT and others have said, MG hasn't done anything wrong this time. A few minds need to open up a bit, although I suspect there's no hope for anonymous GUESTS.

As for gargle, who loves to be nasty, if he had read what Martin was asking a bit more carefully, he would have realised that he was ASKING for more information. It's very worthy to want to have facts, but he was missing the point.

Anyway, I'm glad somebody did come up with some information. These groups are a fond part of my teenagehood, so I'm interested.

Now on with the music.......

Jenny


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Subject: RE: Limeliters vs. Kingston Trio
From: Bobert
Date: 04 Dec 05 - 09:45 PM

Ahhh, firget both these groups...

As fir as I'm concerned the Poza Seco Singers outplayed the twe o' them combined and only had two 'er three albums...

Yeah, let the L-Liters and K-Trio fight it out fir 2nd place...

That's MO...

Bobert

p.s. But I still liked John Stewarts stuff... Much better than his ol' band's stuff...


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Subject: RE: Limeliters vs. Kingston Trio
From: Once Famous
Date: 04 Dec 05 - 10:23 PM

bobert, the Pozo Seco Singers only claim to fame was Don Williams, who not a bad singer, was about as exciting as watching jello set.


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Subject: RE: Limeliters vs. Kingston Trio
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 04 Dec 05 - 10:51 PM

Wasn't Taylor Pie with the Pozo Seco Singers?   I've enjoyed some of her recordings.

I know of another woman who sang with a later incarnation of the Pozo Seco Singers - Amy Carol Webb.   She is a talented songwriter and performer who lives in Florida. Check her out if you have a chance.

The Limeliters released a great CD back in 2000 (a recent recording when you stop to think about their long history).   I felt it was one of their strongest recordings ever and it showed they are more than a simple nostalgia act.   Check out their version of Stan Roger's "White Squall". Wow!

A lot has been said about whether these groups should keep the name, especially since none of the original Kingston Trio are performing with the trio these days. Well,when a person has been with a group for nearly 30 years like George Grove has, then perhaps they do have a write to continue carrying the name.


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Subject: RE: Limeliters vs. Kingston Trio
From: pdq
Date: 04 Dec 05 - 10:52 PM

The Country Gentlemen were contemporaries of both groups, having started one year before the Kingston Trio and three years before the Limeliters. They played the same college circuit at times and had a large following. The Gents musicianship kicked butt on all similar folk groups and their harmony singing was unequalled. So was their choice of material. They are closer in style to the Folk-pop groups than to Bluegrass where they are usually placed.

Pozo Seco Singers were electric Folk-rock. Like We Five and others, they are well past what can realistically be called Folk.


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Subject: RE: Limeliters vs. Kingston Trio
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 04 Dec 05 - 10:55 PM

Bob Shane openly admits that the Kingston Trio were never "folk-singers".   He said all along that they were entertainers. Sure, they played folk songs, but they weren't trying to archivists, they were having fun with the music - the original intention of the songs when they were first written.

I agree, the County Gentleman were superior musicians, but you are comparing apples and bicycles. (an orange colored bicycle at that!)


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Subject: RE: Limeliters vs. Kingston Trio
From: Once Famous
Date: 04 Dec 05 - 11:41 PM

Ron, true George Grove has been with the Trio about 30 years or so, but he is still a hired hand, who has managed to hang on to a pretty good job. He is a fine musician and talent, but really gets out there and still imitates the "art" or recordings done before him when the Trio was a viable recording act.


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Subject: RE: Limeliters vs. Kingston Trio
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 04 Dec 05 - 11:48 PM

That is a good point.   Unlike groups like the Limeliters, the Kingston Trio have done very little "legit" recording in recent years. Mostly live concert type recordings that repackage their hits.

I did get to emcee the Kingston Trio about 2 years ago when they played at a local theater. Shane was still with the group at the time. Grove and Haworth added several new songs, and it wasn't a bad show.


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Subject: RE: Limeliters vs. Kingston Trio
From: Once Famous
Date: 04 Dec 05 - 11:57 PM

Maybe, they will add some Limeliters songs now!

To me, the Trio has become nothing more than a sanctioned tribute band now that Bob Shane has retired. The Kingston Trio is marketed as a brand name, like Coca-Cola or Band-Aids. It is an image and a reportoire and an act. I loved the original 2 incarnations and learned a lot from the great Nick Reynolds about singing harmony from those Capitol records.


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