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BS: KatrinaGate

Bobert 30 Aug 12 - 09:10 AM
Sawzaw 30 Aug 12 - 09:03 AM
Bobert 30 Aug 12 - 08:29 AM
Bobert 05 Oct 10 - 10:12 PM
Sawzaw 05 Oct 10 - 09:31 PM
GUEST,Ebbie, housesitting 04 Oct 10 - 10:29 AM
Bobert 03 Oct 10 - 08:06 PM
Sawzaw 03 Oct 10 - 11:58 AM
Sawzaw 02 Oct 10 - 05:58 PM
Sawzaw 02 Oct 10 - 05:54 PM
Sawzaw 02 Oct 10 - 05:51 PM
Sawzaw 02 Oct 10 - 05:15 PM
Sawzaw 02 Oct 10 - 12:35 PM
GUEST,Ebbie, housesitting 02 Oct 10 - 11:22 AM
Sawzaw 02 Oct 10 - 11:14 AM
Bobert 01 Oct 10 - 01:48 PM
Sawzaw 01 Oct 10 - 11:59 AM
Greg F. 08 Jun 10 - 06:40 PM
Bobert 08 Jun 10 - 03:02 PM
Ebbie 08 Jun 10 - 02:54 PM
Greg F. 08 Jun 10 - 02:24 PM
pdq 08 Jun 10 - 02:00 PM
mousethief 08 Jun 10 - 01:40 PM
Ebbie 08 Jun 10 - 01:21 PM
Bobert 08 Jun 10 - 12:37 PM
Ebbie 08 Jun 10 - 11:54 AM
Sawzaw 08 Jun 10 - 09:55 AM
Bobert 11 Apr 10 - 07:58 AM
Sawzaw 11 Apr 10 - 12:44 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Bobert
Date: 30 Aug 12 - 09:10 AM

Yo, Saws... The levees did fail... Get you facts correct... Read real news rather than right winged mythology...

The systems that have been designed and built since Katrina worked as designed... But don't believe me, the New York Times, the Washington Post, NBC, ABC, or CBS...

Yes, some levees were breached... Problem here is that Congress hasn't approved enough money to make New Orleans 100% safe...

Now here's a suggestion... Take that tin-foil hat off and try checking out the non-right-wing-sites for your news... In other words, get your head out of Loonie-Nation's ass and take a breath of fresh air...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Sawzaw
Date: 30 Aug 12 - 09:03 AM

Why did the levees fail? Obama is in charge now, had $787 Billion to spend Carte Blanc but turtle tunnels are more important than levees.

Not even a hurricane but it top's Obama's levees.

Yer doin' a heckuva job there Barry

Slidel:

Due to increasing levels in the bayous, the pumping stations are unable to pump the water out as quickly as it is rising.


Isaac's storm surge tops La. Levee

Some residents in southeast Louisiana had to evacuate after water rushed into their homes.

Tropical Storm Isaac, downgraded from a hurricane about 19 hours after making landfall, drove water over a levee in a lightly populated part of Plaquemines Parish, flattened sugar cane 50 miles west in Terrebonne Parish, forced evacuation of a neighborhood in St. John the Baptist Parish and knocked out power to more than 700,000 households and businesses statewide.

Read more: http://www.ksbw.com/weather/Isaac-s-storm-surge-tops-La-Levee/-/5745260/16415398/-/15mvlwu/-/index.html#ixzz252AiF100


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Bobert
Date: 30 Aug 12 - 08:29 AM

Katrina: 14 inches of rain, 1833 deaths
Isaac: 24 inches of rain, no deaths reported yet

Army Corps of Engineers levees hold as designed... Pumps work as designed...

Now, when Congress approve more $$$ then the next phase of improving the levees can begin...

As for administartions???

Bush: D-
Obama: A

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Bobert
Date: 05 Oct 10 - 10:12 PM

Sorry, Sawz... But when I retired from social work, primarially assigned "clients" from Eastern State Hospital (i.e., the nut house) in Petersburg, Va, I decided that some folks with mental problems can be fun to be around... But then again, those with obsessive dysfunctions, were obsessin' on someone/something other than me...

Get my drift, Sawz???

I mean, yer hangin' yer dirty laundry out for all to see here???

I mean, I understand mental illness and there's a difference between mental illness and "personality disorder"... But it's kinda a fine line at time and me thinks you got one foot in and the other out...

My advice to you would be to step back from the ledge, find a wholesome hobby and try to take yer mind off me...

Worth a try...

Serious business...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Sawzaw
Date: 05 Oct 10 - 09:31 PM

Once again Bobert the self confessed stink bomber that ridicules the Mudcat board, "shreads" another argument by referring his response to someone else.

Actually if he would read for a change. He would see it was a question.

And if he was as good as he claims to be, he would be able to answer it.

Anyway this belongs in the All Hail Obama thread, otherwise known as Popular views of Obama which has gone dead.


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: GUEST,Ebbie, housesitting
Date: 04 Oct 10 - 10:29 AM

Off topic, sure. You didn't know that?

But I would like to insert an observation.

Sawsaw:

Day 1, slept
Day 2, slept
Day 3, slept
Day 4, slept
Day 5, slept
Day 6, slept
ad infinitum

You get the picture. How dare you say you cared, when you slept every single night.


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Bobert
Date: 03 Oct 10 - 08:06 PM

Earth to Sawz... Betty Ford is awaitin' yer call...


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Sawzaw
Date: 03 Oct 10 - 11:58 AM

The previous four posts are off topic. Please erase them Joe.

I was wrong in posting them.


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Sawzaw
Date: 02 Oct 10 - 05:58 PM

DAY 38 – May 27 Obama welcomes the Duke Blue Devils
Obama, Clinton hang with the U.S. World Cup team
Obama hosts party for Jewish Americans
Obama family heads off for a weekend vacation
DAY 39 – MAY 28 Obamas back in Chicago for weekend vacation
Obama interrupts vaca for some PR
DAY 40 – MAY 29 Obama leaving U Chicago after some basketball…
The Obamas heading out for an evening of barbecue
DAY 41 – MAY 30 After a night of barbecue and beers, let's hit the gym!
Day 42 – May 31 Obama skips Arlington; gets rained out for Illinois speech…
DAY 43 – June 1 Meets with President of Peru
DAY 44 – June 2 Sings and dances with Paul McCartney
DAY 45 – June 3 Hosts reception for India delegation
DAY 46 – June 4 Hosts MLS Champs, Salt Lake
Flies to Louisiana; spends 4 hours; time for lunch
DAY 47 – June 5 Spends day relaxing; no events scheduled
DAY 48 – June 6 Attends Kelly Clarkson concert Ford Theatre
Biden hosts BBQ for liberal media; squirt gun fights too
DAY 49 – June 7 Gives speech to sleepy Michigan HS
DAY 50 – June 8 Hosts barbecue picnic for members of Congress
DAY 53 – June 11 Date night — Broadway play
DAY 54 – June 12 Compares oil spill to 9/11 — heads to youth soccer match
DAY 55 – June 13 Obama goes golfing! Once again.
DAY 56 – June 14 Flies to Mississippi, enjoys snow cone!
DAY 57 – June 15 Heads over to FL for walk on beach with Charlie Crist!
DAY 58 – June 16 Obama meets with BP CEO for 20 minutes
DAY 59 – June 17 Meets with advisers to start lawsuit against Arizona!
DAY 60 – June 18 Beers and baseball!
DAY 61 – June 19 Obama spends 6 hours golfing again!
DAY 62 – June 20 Relaxes all day; Emanuel bashes Hayward's sailing!
DAY 63 – June 21 Hosts a South Lawn barbecue!
DAY 64 – June 22 Hosts Gay, Lesbian & Transgender Bash!
DAY 66 – June 24 Travels to Virginia burger joint for yuks and photo-ops!
DAY 67 – June 25 Yukking it up at G-20


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Sawzaw
Date: 02 Oct 10 - 05:54 PM

DAY 14 – May 3 Obama hosts the Navy football team
DAY 15 – May 4 Obama private lunch with Nobel laureate Elie Wiesel
DAY 16 – May 5 Obama hosts Cinco De Mayo party at White House
DAY 17 – May 6 Just chillin'. Summers gives updates on economy
DAY 18 – May 7 Wizbangs give Rose Garden speech on 'economy'
DAY 19 – May 8 Obama hits links at Ft Belvoir
Dining out at ritzy DC restaurant — Komi!
DAY 20 – May 9 Obama gives commencement speech at Hampton U.
DAY 21 – May 10 Hey, during a crisis, let's pick a SCJ!
DAY 22 – May 11 Private (golf?) lunch with Joe Biden
DAY 23 – May 12 Obama hosts private reception for President Karzai
DAY 24 – May 13 Obama flies to Buffalo for Duff's hot wings
DAY 25 – May 14 Obama finally makes speech on oil spill in Rose Garden
DAY 26 – May 15 Enough of the oil spill stuff… Obama off to golf!
DAY 27 – May 16 Obama golfs (again!) at Fort Belvoir
DAY 28 – May 17 Obama hosts UConn women's basketball
DAY 29 – May 18 Obama tours plant in 'Ohio' (um, oil spill's in LA!)
DAY 30 – May 19 Obama hosts glitzy state dinner for Calderon
Dancing the night away!
DAY 31 – May 20 Obama meets with Bono for some reason
DAY 32 – May 21 Obama chills with the Pittsburgh Steelers…
DAY 33 – May 22 Obama goes golfing again at Andrews Air Force base
DAY 34 – May 23 Obama discusses basketball with Marv Albert
DAY 35 – May 24 Obama hosts Asian American celebration
DAY 36 – May 25 Obama flies to San Fran to party with Getty Oil family And raise millions for Barbara Boxer
DAY 37 – May 26 Obama spends day 2 in CA — with fellow economic wiz

James Carville: "Man, you got to get down here and take control of this, put somebody in charge of this thing and get this moving. We're about to die down here."

"I think they actually believe that BP has some kind of a good motivation here," he said. "They're naive! BP is trying to save money, save everything they can... They won't tell us anything, and oddly enough, the government seems to be going along with it! Somebody has got to, like shake them and say, 'These people don't wish you well! They're going to take you down!'"

Carville also accused the White House of going along with what he called the "let BP handle it" strategy.

"I'm as good a Democrat as most people, and I think this administration has done some good things. They are risking everything by this 'go along with BP' strategy they have that seems like, lackadaisical on this, and Doug is right, they seem like they're inconvenienced by this, this is some giant thing getting in their way and somehow or another, if you let BP handle it, it'll all go away. It's not going away. It's growing out there. It is a disaster of the first magnitude, and they've got to go to Plan B."

Likewise, Chris Matthews argued during a "Tonight Show" appearance that the President was "acting a little like a Vatican Observer."

"The President scares me," he said. "When is he actually going to do something? And I worry; I know he doesn't want to take ownership of it. I know politics. He said the minute he says, 'I'm in charge,' he takes the blame, but somebody has to. It's in our interest."


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Sawzaw
Date: 02 Oct 10 - 05:51 PM

Day 1 – April 20 Explosion in Gulf
Obama returns from L.A. – fundraising for Barb Boxer

DAY 2 – April 21 Obama attends reception for G-20 Labor Ministers

DAY 3 – April 22 Obama hosts Rose Garden reception to honor Earth Day
Obama flies to NYC to push Wall St bill

DAY 4 – April 23 Hey, let's go on vacation to Asheville, North Carolina!
Lunch at Twelve Bones for ribs and mac & cheese
No worries! How about a mountain hike?
Obama squeezes in a round of golf!

DAY 5 – April 24 Let's go golfing again — at Grove Park Inn GC
A nice gourmet dinner at the Biltmore!

DAY 6 – April 25 A scrumptious brunch at Grove Park Resort

DAY 7 – April 26 Obama hosts NY Yankees for White House event

DAY 8 – April 27 Obama visits Iowa for rhubarb pie at Jerry's Diner

DAY 9 – April 28 Obama flies to Missouri for lunch at Peggy Sue's Diner

DAY 10 – April 29 Obama attends DNC fundraiser at swank DC residence

DAY 11 – April 30 Obama flies to MD to view Secret Service binoculars

DAY 12 – May 1 Obama joins Leno for comedy routine at WHCD

DAY 13 – May 2 Obama visits Lousiana

WEEEHAAAA!


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Sawzaw
Date: 02 Oct 10 - 05:15 PM

Obama pumps out his chest and says:

"he will take steps to ensure that the federal government will never again allow such catastrophic failures in emergency planning and response to occur."

But then:

Rolling Stone Politics:

On May 27th, more than a month into the worst environmental disaster in U.S. history, Barack Obama strode to the podium in the East Room of the White House. For weeks, the administration had been insisting that BP alone was to blame for the catastrophic oil spill in the Gulf -- and the ongoing failure to stop the massive leak. "They have the technical expertise to plug the hole," White House spokesman Robert Gibbs had said only six days earlier. "It is their responsibility." The president, Gibbs added, lacked the authority to play anything more than a supervisory role -- a curious line of argument from an administration that has reserved the right to assassinate American citizens abroad and has nationalized much of the auto industry. "If BP is not accomplishing the task, can you just federalize it?" a reporter asked. "No," Gibbs replied.

Why didn't Mr on vacation Obama follow theThe National Oil and Hazardous Substances Pollution Contingency Plan

The National Oil and Hazardous Substances Pollution Contingency Plan, more commonly called the National Contingency Plan or NCP, is the federal government's blueprint for responding to both oil spills and hazardous substance releases. The National Contingency Plan is the result of our country's efforts to develop a national response capability and promote overall coordination among the hierarchy of responders and contingency plans.


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Sawzaw
Date: 02 Oct 10 - 12:35 PM

"I haven't heard you express error"

If I find posts where I admit I was wrong will you admit you were wrong?

Bobert posts things that are wrong and he will not face up to the facts.

I have never called him a liar, just wrong.

Now there is a real pleasant fellow.

Can you tell us what would have happened "Had the terrorists hit New Orleans with a bomb that blew up the the Lake Pocigtraine dam" and what that proves?


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: GUEST,Ebbie, housesitting
Date: 02 Oct 10 - 11:22 AM

That is why the irrational person will NEVER, EVER admit they are wrong under ANY circumstances." Saws

I don't agree with you about Bobert but in general I think you may be right- I haven't heard you express error. Frankly, I think your obsession with Bobert is unhealthy - for you - and unpleasant - for us.


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Sawzaw
Date: 02 Oct 10 - 11:14 AM

I think it is trolls and self admitted stink bombers that need help. They are obsessed with their self.

You want the attention. You ask for people to prove you are wrong and you get it. Problem is you don't like to lose so you get all huffy puffy and attack the person instead of the facts presented.


"What motivates the irrational mind to protect their beliefs in the face of any and all evidence?
The "Ego" which always seeks to grow ever larger.
And, in fact, that is exactly what it does.
That is why the irrational person will NEVER, EVER admit they are wrong under ANY circumstances."


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Bobert
Date: 01 Oct 10 - 01:48 PM

Fuck off, Sawz... No one here, including me, has any interest in yer little obseesion with me... See yer shrink...

Now if you have some rebuttal to the arguments I put forth here in this thread, fine, but just showin' yer ass to the Mudville community is getting (yawn) rather boring...

You need mental help...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Sawzaw
Date: 01 Oct 10 - 11:59 AM

Bobert: If you have a couple weeks you could read the entire "Katrinagate" thread which I started in response to a hand picked issue from the Mudville right and after 800 posts I don't I shreaded every argument they made...

Here's how Bobert "shreads" arguments, He weasels out by calling his asinine, unprovable "facts" jokes and then puffs out his chest and thumps on it while bragging about his accuracy.



Bobert: "Had the terrorists hit New Orleans with a bomb that blew up the the Lake Pocigtraine dam,"

Guest: Still looking for Bobert's Lake Pontchartrain dam.

Still wondering how a 25 year job could have been completed in time to save NO even if it was started the day GWB took office.
..

Bobert: Danged, GUEST, ain't you figured out nuthin' about me yet??? I do throw out a little comic relief now and then just to ligthen stuff up... Everyone who has been paying attention know fully well that there's no dam.... I mean, we were all bimbarded with overhaeds of the area...

You need to lighten up and stick with the real stuff and leave my obvious *finnin'* alone..


It is not *finnin'* it is a stink bomb like he brags about. He trolls and then sits back and laughs when people respond. Great fun eh Bobert?

Bobert: "Then I sneak out to Mudcat when them's is asleep and light stink bombs here in the Catbox... I know I shouldn't do it but "


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Greg F.
Date: 08 Jun 10 - 06:40 PM

The people who bitch about Obama not doing enough about the oil spill are the same people who bitch the federal government is too big...

Damn right, Mouse!

These people gotta remember that Government Is The PROBLEM - NOT the Solution!


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Bobert
Date: 08 Jun 10 - 03:02 PM

Me thinks what we have is more revisionists thinking... I remember back during the first few months after it was apparent that there were no WMDs in Iraq that these same people were rewriting the reasons for the invasion as if everyone else on the planet hadn't been paying attention... I mean, that's exactly what is going on here... Could Obama done a better job with PR... Well, yeah... But one major difference between Obama's style abd Bush's is that Obama is more into the nuts and boths of governing, somethin which Bush never quite understood and less about pumping out his chest bargging about stupid stuff of which Bush was a master...

Break time is up...

Back to farmer Boberdz...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Ebbie
Date: 08 Jun 10 - 02:54 PM

In what way, pdq, does that information invalidate any of that timeline?


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Greg F.
Date: 08 Jun 10 - 02:24 PM

I assume, PeeDee, you'd prefer Glenn or Rush for absolutely bias-free information.


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: pdq
Date: 08 Jun 10 - 02:00 PM

...the site that Ebs just linked to is:

"Media Matters for America (MMFA), a 'Web-based, not-for-profit progressive research and information center dedicated to comprehensively monitoring, analyzing, and correcting conservative misinformation in the U.S. media,' was founded by David Brock in mid-April 2004.

Along with former MoveOn consultant Tom Matzzie and John Podesta's Center for American Progress, it is behind Progressive Media, a liberal messaging campaign launched in 2008 and expanded in 2009 to become a 'war room' for promoting the foreign and domestic policies of Barack Obama."


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: mousethief
Date: 08 Jun 10 - 01:40 PM

The people who bitch about Obama not doing enough about the oil spill are the same people who bitch the federal government is too big and takes too many things on itself that should be done by the states. Which is it? Go away and get your priorities straightened out, then come back and admit which you were wrong on.


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Ebbie
Date: 08 Jun 10 - 01:21 PM

I didn't find the article Bobert refers to but here is one that also clearly delineates Obama's actions since he learned of the Gulf spill.

Timeline Contradicts "Obama's Katrina"


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Bobert
Date: 08 Jun 10 - 12:37 PM

There was an excellent piece in yesterday's Post on this subject written by Eugene Robinson... He went down the time line of just what the Obama Administration has done in terms of a federal response to the oil spill and it is purdy incredible... Maybe Eb can find it and do a link to it...

But Eugene's observation is that inspite of all that the feds have done since the spill the Obama administration hasn't done enough to blow it's own horn... Yeah, I'm not too sure why Obama is unwilling to get out there and do the PR but it is becoming a problem for his administration... I mean, it's great to respond forcefully to situations but if ya' ain't out there selling, like George Bush was so good at, then the perception is that you aren'ty doing anything, which in this case is contrary to the facts...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Ebbie
Date: 08 Jun 10 - 11:54 AM

Here is a pertinent fact: "Six weeks after the spill began, 69% rate the federal response negatively, compared with 62% who did so two weeks after the August 2005 hurricane."

Note that this Gulf mess poll was taken SIX weeks after the spill; the Katrina poll was taken TWO weeks after the storm.

Might it be that at two weeks people figured that things would get rapidly better in the region? Didn't happen.


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Sawzaw
Date: 08 Jun 10 - 09:55 AM

Washington Post / ABC Poll: Federal response to Gulf spill rated lower than Katrina efforts

Jun 07, 2010

More Americans are critical of how the U.S. government has handled the Gulf oil spill than were of the federal response to Hurricane Katrina, according to a new ABC News/Washington Post poll.

Six weeks after the spill began, 69% rate the federal response negatively, compared with 62% who did so two weeks after the August 2005 hurricane.

Nearly two-thirds, or 64%, support the pursuit of criminal charges against British Petroleum and other companies involved in the USA' worst oil spill. Four-fifths, or 81%, rate BP's response negatively.

The poll of 1,004 U.S. adults was conducted Thursday through Sunday, mostly before BP announced that a containment cap on the well is collecting a substantial portion of the leaking oil. Still, nearly three-fourths, or 73% percent, see "unnecessary risks taken by BP and its drilling partners as a significant factor in the spill.

The same share also call the Deepwater Horizon spill a major environmental disaster, up from 55% in a Pew Research Center poll a month ago. This view is held almost equally by Republicans as by Democrats.

Yet, the poll, which has a 3.5 percentage point error margin, finds Democrats less critical of the federal response; about 56% rate it negatively, compared with 81% for Republicans.

President Obama said Monday that capturing the leaking oil will take months and cleaning up the environmental and economic damage will take even longer, reports USA TODAY colleague David Jackson.

"What is clear is that the economic impact of this disaster is going to be substantial, and it is going to be ongoing," Obama said after a Cabinet meeting at the White House. He called on BP to be "quick and responsive" to damage claims from residents and business people.


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Bobert
Date: 11 Apr 10 - 07:58 AM

No, Sawz... Start another thread on Dixiecrats if you want to talk about them... This thread is about Bush's failings after 9/11 to govern in a way that made our country safer...

But we can do Dixiecrats... Might of fact, seeing as you have this very distroted view of the history of political parties, a little review for you wouldn't hurt you at all...

Now back to Katrina...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Sawzaw
Date: 11 Apr 10 - 12:44 AM

In other words, Bobert knows squat about Dixiecrats


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Bobert
Date: 10 Apr 10 - 10:39 PM

Sawz, Sawz, Sawz...

Man, that was some heavy stuff there... I mean, yer attacks on me are really getting very entertaining...

But for the record, the Bush administration (after 9/11) put together the "National Response Plan" to provide emergency assistence to any community that would be so overtaken by a disaster (think 9/11 here, Sawz...) that it's resources were not sufficient for that community to weather the disaster...

Katrina proved that Bush's plan (think reasons for going into Iraq here) was nothing more than a figment of Bush's own imagination...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Sawzaw
Date: 10 Apr 10 - 12:01 AM

As usual Bobert does not want to venture any information. Firstly because he has none and secondly because he likes to attack others rather that do any work presenting facts except for Bobert "facts".

He'll spend hours typing all kinds of excuses to avoid producing information that would only take a few minutes and then says he does not have the time to give an answer.

Another avoidance is to send people out on a mission to find facts for him cause he is to lazy to write down what he claims to know.

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Perfessor Bobert. Are you going to give your lecture on Dixiecrats 101 today?

What? Go to the library? Hummm Looks like you are pretty worthless as a source of information. Unless it is a political attack.

"I've got a file that's a half inch thick and countin'.... Well over a 100 pages of stuff, all related to Katrina..."


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Bobert
Date: 07 Apr 10 - 10:38 PM

Then start a thread on Dixiecrats, Sawz... This thread is about the botched job the Bush administration did after 9/11 on creating a structure to deal with national emergenicies, including Bush's National Reponse Plan which turned out to be nuthin' more than BS created by folks who were his appointeees... Totally bogus...

But now that you seem interested in the Dixiecrats, I would invite you to go to the library and use a computer that isn't corrupted with givin' you right wing BS web-sites and blogs and do a little research... I'll be more than happy to jump in when time permits...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Sawzaw
Date: 07 Apr 10 - 12:50 PM

Bobert:

I want to discuss this matter, plain and simple.

I keep reading about how these Dixiecrats are proof of something. I want to know the details to see if the facts about the Dixiecrats support the conclusion about what they did. This is critical thinking. It is questioning. You say I should question things. I am trying.

I promise not to make any personal attacks or use rhetoric, just simple facts.

Diverting the discussion of facts by telling someone they need to do something is a diversionary tactic.

The way you arrive at the truth is by determining what is a fact and what is not a fact.

Does that cause a problem for you?


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Bobert
Date: 04 Apr 10 - 07:41 AM

So your last post is yer "Exhibit A" on how to have a "sane, cordial discussion", Slawz... What, are you brain dead??? You just don't get concepts at all, do you... You have no interest in a discussion whats-so-ever... All you want to do is play the Fact-checker-from-Hell... The problem with this is that you will take a post that has many valid, sane, cordial points and go thru it with a fine tooth comb looking for anything that you might find somewhere in cyberworld to refute it and then throw in long cut and posts about an insignificant detail that really had very little bearing on the "sane, cordial discussion" that you say you want and make that insignificant detail the new meaning of the thread???

That is what you do over and over and over here.... You are the ultimate thread highjacker... Bet yer no fun at a party 'cause yer the guy who buts into other discussions and changes the subject... Know anyone like that, Slawz??? Go check out the mirror 'cause that is you to a tee...

Throw in you obsession with me and, yeah, you are a pest... Not someone who wnats to have a sane, cordial discussion at all... Just a pest... Like a carpenter bee buzzin' around yer face when you finally get under the car to swap out a starter motor and there it is... buzz, buzz, buzz...

And, BTW, when someone does take the time to actaully engage you in some "critical thinking" as I did on the 1-in-5-children claim you are incapable of making that effort and just refuse... I mean, it's one think to be ignorant but quite another to want to stay ignorant when someone makes an argument thatmight lead you to question some of the sources that you pick in yer little fact-checker-from-Hell game... And yes... It is a game for you... One, BTW, that is growing tiresome to play... Me thinks you should just copy what I have writtren here and show it to yer shrink and maybe you can make some progress toward being able to hold a "sane, cordial discussion" 'cause right now??? You are completely incapable...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Sawzaw
Date: 04 Apr 10 - 01:54 AM

Bobert, I googled up dixiecrats and it said there were 35 of them but nothing else.

You talked about everything and how you are so much smarter you are so you don't need to answer questions or support your facts but it would have been easier to answer the question I asked. The "go here and do this excuse"

I remember we had a deal once where you were going to find the source of the "gold plated M16 rifle" given to Saddam Hussein by Rumsfeld.

You were going to apologize if you couldn't find it. I was going to apologize if you did find it.

Did you find it?

Ordinary people admit their mistakes instead of stating their life experiences as some sort of reason that they are not really mistakes at all just minor details.

What is the medical term for that?


UNDERSTANDING THE IRRATIONAL MIND


A LONG DEFINITION

Irrationals are those who, when presented with evidence that contradicts their belief, will employ all means possible to reject the evidence, and as a last resort will simply deny it.
Rationals, on the other hand, when confronted with evidence that contradicts their belief, will weigh the evidence, and IF the new evidence is superior to that upon which their belief is based, will replace the old belief with the new.

IRRATIONAL V. RATIONAL

What motivates the irrational mind to protect their beliefs in the face of any and all evidence?
The "Ego" which always seeks to grow ever larger.
And, in fact, that is exactly what it does.
That is why the irrational person will NEVER, EVER admit they are wrong under ANY circumstances.

theskepticarena.com/archives/archive007.doc


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Bobert
Date: 03 Apr 10 - 06:33 PM

When the questions border on harassment for thhe sake of highjacking threads, yeah... You ain't gonna get too many folks who want to argue over how many angels can dance on the end of a pin...

As for stinkbombs??? Yeah, that was like 6 or 7 years ago when I came in here once in awhile... Seven year in cyberworld is like generations but you still are consumed with a flipant comment that was made tounge in cheek a long, long, time ago... But you hang on to it as if is the combination to the locks of Fort Knox... Ya' see, Slawz, that in most psycologist's book is obessessive compulsive disorder material... Seriously... I was a social worker in "adult services", meaning that I delt with a lotta of very nutty people... (PM Janie... She'll tell you what kind of folks I delt with... Same that she deals with now)... Anyway, I learned quite a bit about mental illness and, no offense, but yer obsession with me is right there at the doorstep, Slawz...

As for bullying, Teribus??? It can't be done... Everyone who has had dealing with the man will tell you that... Hey, T and I had alot of very heated discussions about the wisdom of going into Iraq... As it turned out, I was right and he wasn't but hey??? The point I was making about T-Bird is one that you are in denial over and that is your desire to destract "sane, cordial discussion" with meanlingless details... Okay, they may mean something to you but taken in the greater context of the thread, that are meaningless... Hey, it's not as if we all do a little drifting from time to time... But you have "drifted too far from the shore" (folk song)...

What else??? Oh yeah... Moonshine... It's some good stuff and maybe if you tried a little you'd loosen up, Baby... I mean, I mighta found myself living and working for several years with primarially black people but I grew up in Virginia with white people, many of whom today are the reddeest of rednecks... I understand rednecks... I also understand mountain people (hillbillies) and moutain people like their shine and when you around folks you do learn to take in a little of the culture... I like shine and I like "mergal huntin'" and I like growin' me a few pot plants in the mountain which I live on... I like tobe back in the mountain... Something kinda spiritual... Kinda like a good shot of moonshine... But I don't reckon you'd understand that, Slawz... Too bad fir you... I mean, I like my hillbilly friends and I like a shot of shine, too... Ain't no hillbilly-wantabee-here... This is who I am... Yeah, I've had to do a little educatin' on some of my friends but hillbillies has got good hearts... Rednecks... Not so good... very angry people... Mountain people ain't... Very mellow... Some good pickers, too..

The Dixiecrats??? There were a shitload of them... All ya gotta do is Google up Dixiecrat and you'll get the entire history... They mostly dead now but their descendents are now the backbone of the "Southern Stategy", i.e. Repubs... Lundon Johnson was right about the Civil Rights Act killing off the Democratic Party in the South... Yup, sho nuff right...

That about it...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Sawzaw
Date: 03 Apr 10 - 04:41 PM

Well Bobert, a discussion involves answering questions which you avoid at all costs.

You have a whole list of excuses like:

"it does not matter"
"the real question is"
"that is just a detail"
"go and do this and this and you will find out the answer"

Reality consists of details. When you start skipping the details, you start losing reality. Accuracy requires details. Lack of details results in sloppiness and fuzzy logic.

When someone else misses things that you classify as a detail for yourself, you call them a liar.

Do you notice I never call anybody a liar? To me that is the equvalent of "I have lost all respect for what you say"

How can you respect anybody that will not admit when they are wrong? I have no problem admitting when I am wrong. I human, not an elitist who always knows best and never wrong on anything.

How can you respect anybody that contradicts themselves and tries to gloss over it?

When I point out to you where you have contradicted yourself you get mad. I would mant to know if I contradicted myself.

How can you respect anybody that is constantly claiming someone hates somebody else and wants to kill them, then claim someone else is projecting.

How can you respect somebody that berates someone else for breaking the law and brags when they themselves break the law.

I remember we had a deal once where you were going to find the source of the "gold plated M16 rifle" given to Saddam Hussein by Rumsfeld.

You were going to apologize if you couldn't find it. I was going to apologize if you did find it.

Did you find it?

Personally I think you come here and throw stinkbombs, like you admitted, and than have a lot of fun with the controversy you stir up.

You started a whole thread to bully Teribus about the war in Iraq then you accuse him of hijacking threads.

I am beginning to wonder about the moonshine. I don't believe you are stupid enough to drink moonshine and talk about it. I wonder if that is just another cute game.

Now if you want to have a discussion, who were these Dixiecrats?

I have looked and I can't get a handle on how many there were and what they did but it seems to be an important point and needs some more details.


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Bobert
Date: 03 Apr 10 - 07:37 AM

See, Slawz... Here's the problem I have with you... You have a reality problem... How many times do I have to say to you that I don't "hate" anyone before it sets in??? I hate the sins but not the sinner... We've had this discussion before but what you do is try to get away with making this "Bobert hates you because_________" assertion because, I donno??? What, if I don't call you on it it becomes, ahhhhh, factual???

As for "sane, cordial discussion"??? Try it sometime... You don't wnat todiscuss squat... What you want to do is go thru someone else's post and try to find some insignificant detail and turn the discussion into a discussion of that insignifican detail... This is what Teribus did during the entire debate in the lead up to the invasion of Iarq..l. He tried his best to derail any and every thread that was a "sane, cordial discussion" by trying to highjack the threads into his little narrow minded, tuinnel vision viwepoint...

Of course you don't see that is what you do, Slaws, but that is exactly what you do...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Sawzaw
Date: 03 Apr 10 - 12:46 AM

Yeah, here is just what Bobert has been waiting for so he can launch another hate filled attack. A man with a chip on his shoulder the size of a Sequoia tree because his grand and glorious days of ridin' da bus are over. It's over but he just won't let it go. He still wants to perpetuate racism so he can be the big expert in the field. The racial elitist.

Lie Lie Lie, hate hate hate. A serious OCD.

Bobert hates any body he disagrees with him but I don't hate Bobert. I just disagree with his policies.

Now that Bobert has vented his pent up, has been, hostility, let's get back to a sane and cordial discussion.

"every white-supremecist "Dixiecrat" switch parties."

Who were they?


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Bobert
Date: 02 Apr 10 - 06:15 PM

You just can't get enough lieing in, can you Slawz... Me seriously thinks that in addition to yer OCD personality disorder that pathological liar runs a close second...

As for your Republican Party of the 1860s, you have some seroius gaps in your understyanding of the historical roles of the parties, as well, and I'd suggest a refresher course at yer local community college just for starters...

You also don't even have a grasp of more recent history which is unexpianable...

Maybe you'd like to tell the good folks why black people don't seem to have much need for the Republican Party of ***today***???

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 02 Apr 10 - 02:12 PM

I think Poppgator has a point. One Party today consistently repudiates the racists. The other does not.


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: PoppaGator
Date: 02 Apr 10 - 02:05 PM

No one is going to argue against the Party of Lincoln, or even that of Eisenhower. But a whole lot of us, not just here in Mudcat land, see something else entirely in the current crop of Republican politicians and pundits.

It's also a fairly well-known historical fact that for over a century between the civil war and the civil rights movement, the Democratic Party maintained a stranglehold on the (voting) South by providing a home for its segregationist white majority.

Things started to change pretty quickly with the advent of Nixon's "Southern Strategy," which saw virtually every white-supremecist "Dixiecrat" switch parties.

While it is obvious incorrect, and an oversimplification, to maintain that every Republican is a racist and a bigot, it's not far from the truth to observe that any and every racist and bigot who is moved to join one or the other political party is most likely going to be heartily welcomed by the GOP.


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Sawzaw
Date: 02 Apr 10 - 01:56 AM

The Pelican Institute's Steve Beatty reports that the federal government just filed a new $548,000 lien against ACORN for unpaid payroll taxes. This comes at the same time as Louisiana Attorney General Buddy Caldwell investigates the group for unpaid state payroll taxes.

According to Beatty, his adds to the existing tax debt of more than $1 million.

Read more

Republicans passed the civil rights bills of

Civil Rights Act of 1866, extending the rights of emancipated slaves
Civil Rights Act of 1871, also known as the Ku Klux Klan Act
Civil Rights Act of 1875, prohibiting discrimination in "public accommodations"; found unconstitutional in 1883
Civil Rights Act of 1957, establishing the Civil Rights Commission
Civil Rights Act of 1960, establishing federal inspection of local voter registration polls
Civil Rights Act of 1964, prohibiting discrimination based on race, color, religion, sex, and national origin by federal and state governments as well as some public places

While racists like Byrd fillibustered them.

More evidence of Bobert's racism and bigotry.


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Bobert
Date: 01 Apr 10 - 07:34 PM

Bug off, Squalkz.. My bigotry and racism??? Hey, I ain't the one defending the racist and bigots... You are... The Republican Party itself is a bigoted and racist party... That's why very few blacks folks want any part of it... You party fought agasinst civil right...

Hatred??? Yeah, add I hate hypocrits and liars to the list...

Yer right, P-gator... The rich only pay as much tax as they want... I know of an accountant who asks his clients "How much do you wnat to pay this year, Ralph???" Then he makes the tex return work out that way thru loans and other trickery... I used him one year... Played it straight up... Coulda payed less... Didn't matter... It's what I owed... Just needed him to help straighten out some difficukt stuff... But I didn't take the *dodge* after he expalined it to me... Just didn't seem right even if it was legal...

BTW, P-gator... Do you know that op-ed guy I asked you about at the N.O. T-Pic???

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: PoppaGator
Date: 01 Apr 10 - 05:43 PM

Hah! Crawfish and Californicated Zydeco? Yes indeed!

I have no doubt that some ACORN employees, moved by a much more sympathetic bullshit story than the one we were originally been given to believe, may indeed have advised a young man purportedly trying to "save" a young girl from exploitation to stretch the law a bit to achieve his "praiseworthy" goal.

It's certainly not unknown for folks of ALL economic classes to "work the system" to their best advantage.

When poor folks who genuinely deserve (x) amount of food stamps can find a way to get (1.2 x) dollars worth, it IS technically illegal, but so what?.

Some of their loudest critics, of course, hire high-priced accoutnants every April to make sure that when they genuinely owe (y) dollars in taxes, they only pay (1/10 y), or less, or nothing. Of course, hardly anyone ever condemns them for that (not even me, usually).


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Sawzaw
Date: 01 Apr 10 - 09:59 AM

My understanding is that they waked in during normal business hours. Do you call that "breaking into"? Was anything broken?

I do think they went over the line though.

I'll Bet we are on the same page on this.

Acorn did some good work. Paying taxes wasn't one of them. Always telling people to tell the truth wasn't one of them.

I keep saying over and over to no avail to the all bad all good crowd:

People have to be able to recognize the good in anybody as well as the bad.

I mean, Damn, even rattlesnakes have some uses.

But there again. Bobert has managed to bring his bogotry, racism and hatred into the discussion.


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Bobert
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 05:23 PM

Yeah, p-gator...When the FBI pulls off one of these it's called a sting... When private citizens pull one of these things off it is called vigilante... You know, the same thing they called the mobs who got together to lynch black men during the Jim Crow days...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: PoppaGator
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 03:37 PM

Thanks for the shout-out, Sawz. But before anyone gets the idea that you and I are completely "on the same page," let me hasten to defend my friends at ACORN.

That bullshit trumped-up "documentary" video was a complete sham. That punk college-boy filmmaker brought his girlfriend into those offices with a story that she used to be a prostitiute, and that he was making it his personal mission to save her from her pimp(s), or whatever. Now, when confronted with this story, some of the ACORN workers may have given advice that stretched the law a little bit here and there, while of course most of them (not included in the final cut, of course) kept things strictly legal. But the falsehood that the ACORN folks were responding to a couple intent upon setting up a whorehouse operation ~ that was ALL fabricated in the editing room.

This has all been verified and, for what it's worth, published. Of course, retractions never get nearly the widespread publicity as the original lies that need to be retracted. And meanwhile, the Faux-News propaganda machine has been so successful in turning "ACORN" into a dirty word that no one, including a whole passel of chickenshit Democrats who should know better, would come to their defense.

Since then, young Mr. Hotshot Rightwing Filmmaker has been busted breaking into Senator Landrieu's office with some new chicanery in mind. The latest news is that he's getting off with a plea bargain, so the whole story will never come out in court.


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Sawzaw
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 11:41 AM

"You think I only became an activist after ACORN was closed down? "

No I don't.

"But I don't for a minute believe that urban legend bullshit about 5,000 individuals all victimized by the same kind of headshot."

Bravo Poppagator. Let's see if some others can break their code of silence.


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Sawzaw
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 11:35 AM

The accusatory language was yours Bobert.

Bobert runs like "pigs from a gun".

He makes all kinds of ad hominem attacks on people that won't answer his straight up questions but weasels out when it is his turn.


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