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BS: Happy Canadian Thanksgiving!

*daylia* 08 Oct 06 - 08:32 AM
*daylia* 08 Oct 06 - 08:39 AM
Steve Latimer 08 Oct 06 - 09:29 AM
Q (Frank Staplin) 08 Oct 06 - 01:17 PM
Metchosin 08 Oct 06 - 05:05 PM
Mooh 09 Oct 06 - 04:23 PM
Beer 09 Oct 06 - 08:04 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 09 Oct 06 - 09:24 PM
Mooh 10 Oct 06 - 07:55 AM
Q (Frank Staplin) 10 Oct 06 - 05:48 PM
gnu 11 Oct 06 - 04:29 AM
Raptor 11 Oct 06 - 09:53 AM
Mooh 12 Oct 06 - 09:10 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Happy Canadian Thanksgiving!
From: *daylia*
Date: 08 Oct 06 - 08:32 AM

You're right, Mooh -- wild turkeys were re-introduced here (mid-Ontario) in the early 90's. I'll never forget that first close encounter, jogging on the skidoo trails through the reforestation areas -- she'd suddenly run out from the thick underbrush and cut in about 10 feet ahead of me on the trail. Kept pace with me for a good half mile -   'bout scared the livin's right outta me at first too. I'd never seen a feathered creature so large and so close to home -- figured it must be an ostrich. Or maybe an emu .... 8-)

Today, gaggles prides (flip, what are they called ....) flocks (I hope) of wild turkeys are a common sight here -- conglomerating in the fields and forests and even the city parks in Barrie, holding up traffic as they cross the roads in single file etc etc. Strange-looking birds, but they do command respect!

The wild turkeys have an interesting relationship with the other wildlife around here too. Jogging on those same snowmobile trails early in the morning one winter's day, I'd taken a sidetrack through the forest trying to find out why the crows were cawing up such a godawful ruckus. Found them -- a whole flock of 'em perched in the trees, screeching and croaking away ... and sure enough, right in front of them was a whole herd roost sheesh flock of wild turkeys, also roosting in the trees on the other side of the path. Puzzled, I stood there trying to figure out what it was about the turkeys that excited the crows so much, when all of a sudden a WOLF -- no kidding, an honest-to-god-timber-wolf (they were also hunted to extinction around here till reintroduced in recent times) -- ran by, at the edge of a farmer's field just beside where those turkeys were roosting. WOW! I'd never seen a wolf in the wild before ....

So, what was going on there, d'ya think?   Were the crows warning the turkeys that the wolf was nearby? Or were they giving the wolf strategic information ie "Your brekkie awaits, right up here in the trees ... and we're on stand-by to clean up your scraps!"   Hmmmmm .....

Anyway, thanks for listening to my turkey stories, and have a wonderful Thanksgiving one and all!

daylia


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Subject: RE: BS: Happy Canadian Thanksgiving!
From: *daylia*
Date: 08 Oct 06 - 08:39 AM

Y'know, I just noticed that I was the one who started this thread -- and that I told the story about the turkeys before too. Or, part of it anyway -- so sorry bout the repetition. Didn't read the whole thread before I posted, just the last couple posts ... it's early in the day ....


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Subject: RE: BS: Happy Canadian Thanksgiving!
From: Steve Latimer
Date: 08 Oct 06 - 09:29 AM

Happy Thanksgiving fellow Canucks. Our family is not that big on turkey, we are having Steak & Lobster today.


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Subject: RE: BS: Happy Canadian Thanksgiving!
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 08 Oct 06 - 01:17 PM

Turkeys in British Columbia are not native. They have been introduced since 1970 (not listed in Godfrey, Birds of Canada, 1970, National Museums of Canada) if present. Probably introduced in the 1990's at the same time they were re-introduced to Ontario. Thanks, Daylia, I need a more up-to-date Canadian bird book.

In adjoining Washington, turkey permits were issued to 277 hunters in 2005.
Re-introduction of wild turkeys to suitable habitat has led to their presence in every state (including Oahu in Hawai'i) except Alaska.

I should also note that the Merriam turkey of the southwest is a subspecies, not a distinct species separate from M. gallipavo.


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Subject: RE: BS: Happy Canadian Thanksgiving!
From: Metchosin
Date: 08 Oct 06 - 05:05 PM

Thanks Q, I knew that the wild turkeys introduced on the coast here in the early 1950's didn't survive, but I assumed that the ones I saw in the interior on Canadian side of the BC/Idaho border near Creston were native. I didn't realize Idaho had introduced them and that birds don't recognized borders.


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Subject: RE: BS: Happy Canadian Thanksgiving!
From: Mooh
Date: 09 Oct 06 - 04:23 PM

Encountered a steaming pile of bear shit on the gravel road near our family place this morning around 4. Lots of road kill raccoons, red fox, skunks, and one deer on the way home along highway 21, but no wild turkeys.

Thanksgiving dinner was very good, and all my family was there. God, I love pumpkin!

Peace, Mooh.


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Subject: RE: BS: Happy Canadian Thanksgiving!
From: Beer
Date: 09 Oct 06 - 08:04 PM

Thank you to all you Non-Canadian's for wishing us well.


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Subject: RE: BS: Happy Canadian Thanksgiving!
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 09 Oct 06 - 09:24 PM

You might try this one, Mooh.

Q's PUMPKIN PIE

796 ml fancy pumpkin
(1lb. 13 oz tin)*
1 cup demerara sugar
1 cup white sugar
2 tablespoons fancy molasses
1/2 teaspoon pure vanilla
1/4 teaspoon powdered cloves
3 teaspoons cinnamon
1 1/2 teaspoons ginger
1/2 teaspoon allspice
1 teaspoon salt
4 large eggs, slightly beaten
2 cups scalded milk (2% OK)

Mix in order given and bake** in pastry shells. Makes two pies.
Fifteen minutes at 425 degrees F.
1 hour at 325 degrees F.

When served, top with generous amount of whipped cream.
For two pies- 1/2 pint whipping cream, 1 tablespoon powdered sugar, 1 teaspoon brandy, or, pure vanilla extract. Chill ingredients and utensils thoroughly before beating.

*E. D. Smith pure pumpkin is always uniform in quality. It is made with Dickinson pumpkin which has a good flavor.
**We are at 3500 feet.


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Subject: RE: BS: Happy Canadian Thanksgiving!
From: Mooh
Date: 10 Oct 06 - 07:55 AM

Q...Thanks very much! I'll print it out immediately! We'll probably substitute our own or local fresh pumpkin.

Peace, Mooh.


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Subject: RE: BS: Happy Canadian Thanksgiving!
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 10 Oct 06 - 05:48 PM

We used fresh pumpkin when we were in Illinois, and had a source of Dickinson pumpkins, which are the best for pies, etc.
This is a small, oblong pumpkin, seldom over 20 pounds, that looks more like a squash.
Here in western Canada, people look for the large, orange-skinned fruits which are suitable for jack-o-lanterns but lack the rich flavor of the Dickinsons. We make do with the canned Dickinson, put up by E. D. Smith, and Libby (brands like Stokley not found or uncommon in stores here).


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Subject: RE: BS: Happy Canadian Thanksgiving!
From: gnu
Date: 11 Oct 06 - 04:29 AM

Daylia.... crows (ravens?) will kick up an awful racket at the first sign of a predetor and will not stop until it leaves their nesting/roosting area. Turkeys, on the other hand, from what I have learned, will remain silent when given a single warning call from the lead hen. Either way, these birds ain't stupid.

Anyone able to confirm the above regarding turkeys? I have seen this behaviour in Ruffed Grouse but we have no wild turkeys in these here parts, yet.


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Subject: RE: BS: Happy Canadian Thanksgiving!
From: Raptor
Date: 11 Oct 06 - 09:53 AM

I Bar B Q ed my Turkey and it was delish!
We expected it to be dried out but it was perfect.
Friday when I brought the bird home from the butcher there was 14 Wild Turkeys in my driveway and I had to get out of my van and chase them out of the way to park.

Raptor


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Subject: RE: BS: Happy Canadian Thanksgiving!
From: Mooh
Date: 12 Oct 06 - 09:10 AM

gnu...Can't confirm directly, but I've only once seen a turkey look real pissed and that was when I tossed a stone or stick off the road into the bush and it rushed out, practically pushing me into my truck. Most other times they don't give you any indication they're around, and I've almost stepped on one a few times. If they historically shared the woodlands with large cats and/or wolves, they gotta be smarter than some world leaders.

Peace, Mooh.


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