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Why are Martin Guitars so expensive?

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Subject: RE: Why are Martin Guitars so expensive?
From: GUEST,herringbone jones
Date: 24 Jan 12 - 05:55 AM

Gee, I can't believe I read the whole thread.
I really do need adult supervision, methinks . . . .

I have a Martin, and I like it a lot.
It's pretty beat up and not too pretty, but you could say that about me too and that's alright . . . I don't care, I live in a swamp . . . . . and try to live by the gospel according to Pogo . . . . .

I also got some similar dreadnoughts a lot newer and not as icky as the old D-28, among them is the Takamine Jasmine . . . a hundred dollar guitar brand new and I like them a lot too . . . . seriously.
Nobody asks why THEY are so expensive . . . . . and I think we can agree that a hundred bucks ain't chickenfeed. The Jasmine may not be handmade, but what's the big deal with that anyway?
Show me a guitar somebody built with their feet, and then you'll REALLY have something . . . .

I like my Gibsons, my Nationals, my old Guild 12 and my Henway** etc. ad nauseam . . . . . . . . I have several other guitars as well (seventy-some stringed instruments), but I do like my old D-28 the best I guess for an acoustic. My ugly old '64 Strat is nice too, but not as good as the Martin for fiddle tunes, ragtime, open tunings and such and it isn't much good without electricity on a mountaintop. . . but I digress . . .

Which reminds me, does anyone know if a dreadnought is a Rastafarian with a normal regular haircut? Just wondering . . .

My ratty old Martin may be old, (1935 ~ SN: 60915) but it sounds real good, boy howdy, and is not near worn out, but again the Jasmines ain't bad and cost a lot less.
I only got a couple of Martins these days, but I got four of the Jasmines (no waiting).
So . . . .
Can ANYONE read between the lines here?

I may (I dread) nought be as dumb as I look.

I have heard it said about sex and pizza:
"It's all good, but some's better".

So lighten up sez I, you snobsters (ya know who ya are) . . . or, you could grow up to be a mule (so sayeth Der Bingle, 1944).

Namaste

herringbone jones
KIng of the Smurf Guitar
Law West of the Pecos


(P.S. I can see y'all is pretty smart . . . . could somebody tell me what diddy wah diddy means?)

**(what's a Henway?)


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Subject: RE: Why are Martin Guitars so expensive?
From: Bobert
Date: 06 Oct 11 - 10:35 PM

It's a crap shoot...

I own a 1966 D-18 that I bought new...

I also own a 60's S. Yaria parlor that I bought for $40 in a pawn shop...

One I gave to my great niece...

The other I perform with...

Guess ya'll know where this is going...

I gave away the D-18 and perform with the S. Yaria...

Hey, I loved my Martin until it wasn't the right guitar for me... Great guitars... Just had to do what was right for me...

B~


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Subject: RE: Why are Martin Guitars so expensive?
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Oct 11 - 09:32 PM

I've been around a long time (71yrs.) I'm retired.I've been a studio owner, Record label owner and agency owner. I've owned a lot of guitars. I have'nt seen a real answer to the question of "why martin guitars are so expensive? One thing that always made martin stand out in the feild when I was doing some radio, and television in the 60's and 70's was the tonal quality. There was absoloutely no mistaking the martin sound, it stood alone. Gibson also had a sound
of it's own. I heard nothing that came close. I owned both. Each had distinguishing tones, I'm talking acoustics of which I'm very familiar with. Martin built on this reputation but did slip on build quality in the 70's to 80's. Yet you might pick up one that is up to tonal quality in those years. An example I still have a 1970 D-35 12 string with poor quality build. The neck collapsed on it. Why did I keep it? Any musician who came into my studio and picked it up said " what a great sounding guitar." I hope this helps answer the question. They built a reputation in my musical area on the distinguishing tone.


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Subject: RE: Why are Martin Guitars so expensive?
From: Brian May
Date: 24 Oct 10 - 06:17 AM

As an owner of 3 Martins, a 000-28, a D-28 and a D12-28 and VERY happy with them, I note that generally the most disparaging comments come from people who don't have them.

Not always the case, but more often than not.

I waited 40 odd years before I bought my first, and at 60, I think I now know what 'floats my boat'.

They are individual 'characters' and an absolute delight to play.

I didn't pay list price for any of them (the 12 string was flawless and second hand) and in terms of satisfaction for price - wonderful.

Why did I spend so much overall? Because I'm worth it (as the advert goes).

The best test perhaps, is to play a few makes with a blind fold on - then analyse the results.


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Subject: RE: Why are Martin Guitars so expensive?
From: GUEST,Achromat
Date: 24 Oct 10 - 04:04 AM

Bought a brand new HD-28 Oct. 2010. Intonation was off but soon realized that the guitar was built in 2008 and had a set of strings on it that were 2 years old! Mind you it sounded fantastic. Changed the strings and the intonation problems disappeared. The high E and G ring out a bit but I'll take care of that after I've had it for awhile as they seem to be working themselves out the more I play it.

I went through a lot of Martins before I settled on this one so the fact that they are hand made and not mass produced on a CnC machine makes them expensive and worth it.


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Subject: RE: Why are Martin Guitars so expensive?
From: Sandy Mc Lean
Date: 29 Jun 10 - 07:06 PM

Some time ago I toured the Martin plant in Nazareth. At the end of the tour each guest was given a genuine Martin soundhole. If they are giving their holes away it just has to increase the cost to the buyer! If anyone out there has a Martin with a soundhole missing I could supply one for a small cost and of course shipping and handling charges. :-}


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Subject: RE: Why are Martin Guitars so expensive?
From: GUEST,TJ in San Diego
Date: 29 Jun 10 - 02:14 PM

When I again saw the title of this thread, I was reminded of my years in the premium wine business. Particularly in France; in Bordeaux, more specifically, some labels command high prices because of a historic record of quality. Others because of scarcity - and a recognizable and well-marketed name. Some, on the other hand, trade on long-lost attributes from a prior ownership and management.

How many instrument makers are still in the hands of original owners? How many, once highly regarded, have disappeared? Martin has had its downs, but has a single family legacy of ownership and a very good track record of quality overall - and it is one of the oldest and best known producers of string instruments anywhere.
In the end, people will always be willing to pay a bit more for what they perceive is a higher level of quality.

In the end, it's a love affair. As we all know, they don't always make sense to others. They don't have to.


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Subject: RE: Why are Martin Guitars so expensive?
From: GUEST,JC
Date: 29 Jun 10 - 01:50 PM

I bought my D-35 from Mr. Music in 1980 and it's tone just keeps getting better and better as the years add up. I can put it away in that original form shaped case I got with the guitar and come back in 6 months and pick it up and it is still in tune. Even with the strings being a little dead, it still resonates good quality sound. It's got good action and I love just picking and grining.

Owned and tried several other brands and yes, I admit hats off to those people at Taylor. They've come up with some good quality guitars as well. Got good action as well but they still lack that deeeeep rick base sound that a Martin rings out.

I paid just a little over $1700 for the D-35 and case in 1980 and yeah I know paid a little over the top at that time, but it's part of me now after all of these years and I would never give it up.

What can I tell ya, but I really like my old Martin regardless what I see and read from others. I have never had to test out it's lifetime warranty cause it just does get damaged.

Thank you Mr. Martin.


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Subject: RE: Why are Martin Guitars so expensive?
From: guitaaress
Date: 23 Nov 09 - 06:42 AM

I own three Martins. D35 HD28 and M38. My local store stocks Talylors and I've played every model over the years. Fine consistant instruments. The only Guitars I've ever played that are either equal to or better than any of my Martins are Santa Cruz and Collings. A friend has a 1948 D18 that sings and a D28 from the same year that is simply beautiful beyond words. Of all the Taylors I've played and I've played loads, not one has made my pulse race the way it does when I again pick up a Martin.
That is why Martins are the price they are. Sheer quality and tone at a consistant level. There are poor Martins but so few and far between it's not worth mentioning. Taylor = Toyota does everything it should. Martin = Bently it's the benchmark that everyone aspires too.


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Subject: RE: Why are Martin Guitars so expensive?
From: GUEST,Martin D 76-E to sell
Date: 22 Nov 09 - 10:40 PM

Sorry, meant to say a Martin. Apparently these were made for employees of Martin. If interested, I can put you in touch with him.


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Subject: RE: Why are Martin Guitars so expensive?
From: GUEST,Have a Martin D 76-E to sell
Date: 22 Nov 09 - 10:33 PM

My sister's partner has a D 76-e to sell. I do not have all the info but could get photos and provenance. He says it's in very good condition and would like around $2500.
Anyone interested?


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Subject: RE: Why are Martin Guitars so expensive?
From: Bert
Date: 29 Aug 09 - 08:31 PM

It's known as 'Peter's Placebo'. You remember, from the book 'The Peter Principle'

Explained by Peter as 'An ounce of image is worth a pound of performance'


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Subject: RE: Why are Martin Guitars so expensive?
From: GUEST,CN
Date: 28 Aug 09 - 09:40 PM

Bigjoe's quite right. Over the years Martin have made some fantastic instruments but for sheer consistency these days you simply can't beat Collings guitars. Expensive, certainly, but stunning.


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Subject: RE: Why are Martin Guitars so expensive?
From: GUEST,Bigjoe from Jersey
Date: 28 Aug 09 - 09:17 PM

Lordy I used to be such a fan of Martin. But now I have two high end Martins with neck warps and other more minor finish flaws, and action rising faster than the Mississippi. I'm broken hearted, gonna drown my sorrows in a nice Collings I think (Bob Collings, not Tom).


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Subject: RE: Why are Martin Guitars so expensive?
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Aug 09 - 06:40 AM

hi

I agree with your point about what other people hear.
I used to p[lay a Martin D-18 and thought it had a great sound.

Unfortunately it got badly damaged in a road accident and I had to replace it quickly.

I couldn't afford a comparable Martin at the time and so after much looking and testing I bought a Yamaha FG-360.

I didn't think it compared with my Martin but I got used to it.

Because I had changed instruments I asked around at various gigs and not one person said that they could detect or notice any difference in sound quality.

I could but I experiment with different strings and I have to say that the mixture of Yamaha with Martin strings does make a big different to my own ears.

So it satisfies me and the others clearly can't tell any difference so why pay the extra money ???

One other point about the differences in some of the opinions about the quality of Martins' sound.

I have found that certain players sound better on different guitars...and buying a Martin is not going to make the buyer sound any more like his particular "idol".

I once bought a Guild when I was going through my John Denver phase...didn't work !!! lol

I now thrash away on my Yamaha and it satisfies me and as the people out there don't appear to be able to tell....so I'm a happy bunny.

happy playing

John


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Subject: RE: Why are Martin Guitars so expensive?
From: Kosmo
Date: 14 Aug 09 - 09:27 PM

This answer comes late but it may be because they are made by blind nuns ... no?


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Subject: RE: Why are Martin Guitars so expensive?
From: GUEST,twangbar king
Date: 14 Aug 09 - 06:24 PM

Some Martins are great, but the new ones are not worthy of the heralded reputation. Taylor's have gone WAY downhill fast. I will stack my Larivee up against all of them. Want a decent inexpensive acoustic made in canada, solid wood, try out a seagull by Godin. Maybe the best acoustic (nothing fancy) made today for the money.


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Subject: RE: Why are Martin Guitars so expensive?
From: Amos
Date: 08 Mar 09 - 03:33 PM

See the new thread of this date on "Eric Claptons Guitar"--all is revealed.


A


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Subject: RE: Why are Martin Guitars so expensive?
From: GUEST,Tony
Date: 08 Mar 09 - 02:51 PM

The guitar gets sweeter with age I could not put a price tag on my 1971 D35.


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Subject: RE: Why are Martin Guitars so expensive?
From: Cretzon
Date: 06 Feb 09 - 06:27 PM

I bought an Epiphone 12 string guitar in 1970 and it cost around 60 quid, which represented about 5 weeks pay as a young journalist. I've still got the guitar, and today it plays as well as it ever did and sounds finer. Not everybody's an Epiphone fan, but I never thought I'd find another guitar I preferred.

Two years ago I bought a Martin D12; had it set up by a luthier, and now I wouldn't part with it. It's usually the most striking sounding guitar in the room; at 62 I seriously doubt I'll be around to hear what it sounds like in 40 years.

Cost? 535 quid - including import duty, postage and VAT. And it came in faultless condition with a Martin case. Don't overlook the cheaper range Martins.


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Subject: RE: Why are Martin Guitars so expensive?
From: Mark Clark
Date: 06 Feb 09 - 05:48 PM

My trusty old 1970 D-41 is in the hospital for some restorative surgery. Actually it's in to try to undo the damage the last guy (Randy Wood) did who was supposed to restore it but wrecked it instead. So I haven't had it to perform with for nearly two years.

I originally thought I'd have it back much sooner but I needed a performing axe in the meantime so I picked up a Blueridge BR-260. It's a herringbone dreadnought with Brazilian back and sides modeled after the pre-war Martins. It is a very nice sounding guitar. It probably sounds as good as any new Martin D-28 or any model below that. I've performed with it and recorded with it and people would often come up after a show just to find out what make it was.

But two or three months ago I was in a local shop and the owner said he just got one in that I needed to see. I picked it up and started playing through some things and it was as if the heavens had opened and the angles were singing. I had never heard any guitar (and I get around) that could hold a candle to my 1970 D-41 but here it was. A 2004 Martin HD-28CW. Not the Brazilian one, just the standard HD-28CW. What an amazing guitar. A rich and loud but wonderfully focused sound perfect for driving a working bluegrass band (which is what I do). It handles sensitive crosspicked passages with the same clarity as a balls-out fiddle tune and the bass runs cut right through without needing to overpower the other instruments. It is now mine and the other members of the band are very pleased too.

A student of mine owns an HD-28CW but I never thought it sounded better than my Blueridge. But this one... Oh, my.

Martin is capable of making really wonderful guitars and every once in a while... they do.

      - Mark


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Subject: RE: Why are Martin Guitars so expensive?
From: Amos
Date: 06 Feb 09 - 02:06 PM

I wouldn't surrnder my Martin for twice what I apid for it.

But partly that is because of its accumulated seasoning in the forty-odd years it has made music.

That siad I would be open to a Taylor if I met one I loved and had the dough to buy it.

Martin prices their product high (a) because they can, having the brand cachet and (b)because they have developed a very high quality product line.


A


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Subject: RE: Why are Martin Guitars so expensive?
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Feb 09 - 01:42 PM

Given the weakness of the US Dollar and the current oversupply of Martin guitars, they appear to be in the process of becoming much less expensive!

Don't count on it. They are making some nice lower priced instruments, but the upper models are still selling at high prices


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Subject: RE: Why are Martin Guitars so expensive?
From: Murray MacLeod
Date: 08 Dec 08 - 03:34 PM

Subject: RE: Why are Martin Guitars so expensive?
From: Lanfranc - PM
Date: 05 Jan 08 - 06:25 PM

Given the weakness of the US Dollar and the current oversupply of Martin guitars, they appear to be in the process of becoming much less expensive!



what a difference a day year makes ...


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Subject: RE: Why are Martin Guitars so expensive?
From: Terry McDonald
Date: 08 Dec 08 - 11:56 AM

I'll bet the £4,000 guitar will increase in value whilst a car soon becomes worthless.


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Subject: RE: Why are Martin Guitars so expensive?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 08 Dec 08 - 11:55 AM

But the guitar won't make a hole in the Ozone Layer! :-) :-)


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Subject: RE: Why are Martin Guitars so expensive?
From: goatfell
Date: 08 Dec 08 - 11:47 AM

I know a guy who payed £4,000 for a guitar, god you can buy a second hand car for that and still get change


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Subject: RE: Why are Martin Guitars so expensive?
From: GUEST,Mr Big palms-short fingers
Date: 08 Dec 08 - 11:44 AM

Irrespective of price, I just wish more acoustics would be marketed with thinner/narrower electric guitar dimension necks.


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Subject: RE: Why are Martin Guitars so expensive?
From: GUEST,TJ in San Diego
Date: 08 Dec 08 - 11:21 AM

My first D-28 was purchased in 1967 for around $350, which included a hard-shell case. The sound was wonderful and the straight-grain Brazilian rosewood was gorgeous, but the neck needed some adjusting. It was stolen in 1978 and I never found anything with that particular sound until I came into possession of a Taylor dreadnaught about three years ago. Because of an index finger injury to my left hand suffered a few years back, I don't play it as much as my classical guitar (bar chords can be problematic), but I love it when I do. Now, if I could just get it back from my son, who is using it for all the acoustic work his band does.


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Subject: RE: Why are Martin Guitars so expensive?
From: Stringsinger
Date: 07 Dec 08 - 01:08 PM

Guitars have their own personalities. Some players can make some makes
sound right for their style of playing. Their style may not work on all
brands. Each Martin has it's own personality and reason for being built.
Yamaha had a testing program in California where they attempted to
compare their brand with the Martin in an A.B. testing. The Yamaha had
a different tonal texture which would be desirable on certain musical styles.
The Martin on others.

The reason Martin is expensive is because they were there first. Over the
years they built quality instruments. I would never trade mine for any
other.

For example, when Josh White had his original Gibson guitar stolen, he
switched to the Martin 0021 which he played in later years. I played one
that he had owned at the time in possession of Bess Hawes and fell in love
with that instrument. I subsequently bought one and have stayed with it
for a long time. It sounds good with a Rare Earth going through a Sunrise pre-
amp and mixed with a standing mic.

Every player gets something different out of each instrument. To compare
good guitars against one another makes no sense. It comes down to
the player's style and personality.

Frank


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Subject: RE: Why are Martin Guitars so expensive?
From: GUEST,Stringsinger
Date: 07 Dec 08 - 12:55 PM

I have had the Martin 0021 that I play for years. It has a beautiful balance and
the intonation corrected by John Carruthers.

The instrument is only as good as the player. You can have all kinds of
preferences but the bottom line is that a good player can make any guitar
sound good.

Frank


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Subject: RE: Why are Martin Guitars so expensive?
From: Lowden Jameswright
Date: 07 Dec 08 - 12:16 PM

I wish I had your ear Goatfell - would have saved me a lot of money!


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Subject: RE: Why are Martin Guitars so expensive?
From: goatfell
Date: 07 Dec 08 - 11:45 AM

to me a guitar at £100 sounds exactly the same as one at £4,000

and the same with guitar strings, a set the cost you £7 sounds exactly the same as ones at £12

so I can't see what is difference about Guitars and strings, becasue as I say one Guitar sounds exactly the same as another.


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Subject: RE: Why are Martin Guitars so expensive?
From: GUEST,Ed
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 07:39 PM

I just stumbled upon this site and had fun reading much of this thread. It almost felt like guys arguing over whether blondes, brunettes or redheads were hotter. They can all be hot.

I used to have an old D28 (Brazilian rosewood) which I had to trade for a good Gibson ES 340 and Fender Pro Reverb...damn I wish I still had either of them. When I got a D 18 in 1972, everyone said...it's nice, but they don't make 'em like they used to. After a few years, it sounded like they used to make 'em. Last summer, I drove to Nazareth and they reglued all the struts, reset the neck, reglued the bridge and refretted it. They only charged me for the frets. It came out sounding new...but after a week or so, it sounded old again. It's a great guitar, but it's still recovering from the new glue. I plan to keep it. It's very sweet and well balanced.

However, to keep it from further wear and abuse, I just bought a DCX1E. It has a very very nice sound...full bass like rosewood, clear treble and sweet tone. My friend just got a 7 year old DCX1E and wow...sounds like an old Martin. I wasn't sure how they would age...but apparently, the top is what matters most.

Every piece of wood is unique. Every guitar top is unique. I've played some beautiful Taylors, Gibsons, Guilds and some luthier made guitars. They were all beautiful. Personally, I really like the feel and sound of my Martins, but I did have to take the action down...I play a lot of blues...not bluegrass. All the Martins I've seen improve greatly with playing and age, but some of the newer ones sound outstanding right out of the box. I just played a Tawny Satinwood my dealer just got in. I want to get a solid rosewood model, but the ones he has aren't as nice sounding to my ear as the X and plywood Martins. Over the years, I've played a bunch of Martins and they all sounded nice and consistent, but the older ones were best. I would just as soon have a Dillon or a Schulte but they are both retired and the ones they made are coveted and costly. (I do have a great Schulte Les Paul Custom and some of my friends have Dillons.)

Martin has turned out so many great guitars that they have a well deserved reputation. And their higher end ones have snob appeal. I don't care about pearl inlay and cosmetics as much as the feel and sound I like. Taylors seem a little more fragile here in this climate...I live a little over an hour from the Martin factory. I'd love to have a nice Taylor for my collection, but for my taste, Martins suit me a little more. But...my sister has an old mahogany top Guild that sounds far far better than it should...it's as nice as a Martin or a Taylor and some far better guitarists than I agree on that point.

Badmouthing a Taylor won't make your Martin better and vice versa.
Enjoy what you like.


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Subject: RE: Why are Martin Guitars so expensive?
From: GUEST
Date: 17 May 08 - 08:01 AM

because they, along with Gibson, have built the biggest myth ever made.


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Subject: RE: Why are Martin Guitars so expensive?
From: GUEST,mikey
Date: 17 May 08 - 07:26 AM

because they, along with gibson, have built the best instruments ever made


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Subject: RE: Why are Martin Guitars so expensive?
From: glueman
Date: 10 May 08 - 12:38 PM

My guitar is a £30 Chinese dreadnought and I rather like the way it sounds. It has the fattest strings known to man and you can't play it for more than half an hour without sustaining an industrial injury. For those thirty minutes it makes a great noise, neither sweet nor beautiful but kinda phat and bluesy and weird. All the guitars mentioned would be a million times 'better' but none will make the sound that thing does.


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Subject: RE: Why are Martin Guitars so expensive?
From: van lingle
Date: 10 May 08 - 11:12 AM

I try (with varying degrees of sucess) not to pay too much attention the name on the headstock but I did play a new Martin Norman Blake 000-28 model a few years back in Salt Lake City and found it to be both an awesome fingerpicker and flatpicker and that after playing a bunch of fine vintage instruments at Intermountain Banjo.


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Subject: RE: Why are Martin Guitars so expensive?
From: Tim Leaning
Date: 09 May 08 - 09:31 PM

My Mrs Bought me a Martin Guitar end of 2007.
I am as pleased as punch with it and think it to be lovely to look at and to hear.
I would never have spent so much money on a guitar for me 'cos I dont think I will ever play well enough to make the most of wahat it can do.
Also I am not usualy a "Equipment snob" but I have to admit I am proud of me little guitar whenever I take it out and get a real player to have a go.
I thionk they are expensive 'cos they are good.
Same as taylor,Lowdon,etc.
Be happy and play proud


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Subject: RE: Why are Martin Guitars so expensive?
From: GUEST,The Mole Catcher's unplugged Apprentice
Date: 09 May 08 - 03:52 PM

You want quality, you pay for quality, you want cheap. you get cheap. Martins are not cheap.

Charlotte R


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Subject: RE: Why are Martin Guitars so expensive?
From: GUEST,James in Brooklyn, NY
Date: 09 May 08 - 03:28 PM

I own a Martin 000-28 Norman Blake and it is the best sounding Martin, (or any other acoustic guitar) I have EVERY played, let alone owned, IMHO.

Let's not forget a big issue regarding price- it's made in America. Not Chine, Korea or Canada. Also, as others have stated, it is the quality of the Tonewoods that are used and the man/woman hours for all the hand carving. And yes it is a bit about the "Martin" name but people, why does Martin have a name for Guitars? Because they build bloody fantastic ones, that's why.

Guitars, like a lot of things in life, are personal. What floats your boat may sink my boat to the bottom and vice versa. I have played over 20 Taylor Guitars and I would not pay $300 for ones they sell for 4 Grand! I put Taylor's on my lap and within seconds it is always-NO WAY! I am not right nor am I wrong. It just comes down to- what grooves you...........


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Subject: RE: Why are Martin Guitars so expensive?
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 06 Jan 08 - 11:26 PM

Just to clear a few things up, Martin mills many parts (necks) on CNCs and then assembles and finishes the guitars by hand. I think many mfgs do this, and they will tell you when asked. No biggie, you get more exacting tolerances that way, it's still hand assembled.

So why are some $900. and others over $3000.? It has to do with the grades of woods used and the amount of time spent hand-shaving braces for that "perfect" tone. Many more man-hours on a D-35 than a D-1. Then there's inlays! The inlay on a D-45 takes a bit more than an afternoon to complete!

My 2 cents on tone: The sturdiest and heaviest guitars seem to have that "reference sound" that fills a room with sweetness and clarity.
The fatter the neck, the better the sustain, period. (sorry taylor!)This about tone, NOT ease of play. Also, don't be a putz and put light strings on a jumbo or dreadnought! They are designed to have a certain tension on them for optimum tone and projection-use at least 13-56!
I have noticed that cheaper guitars, for whatever reason, cannot handle this tension. feh. Don't waste your money.
I play locally and regionally, and I have accepted that I can't find a GREAT-sounding acoustic for less than $2300.-$3000. here's what I use:
-(1) Gibson SJ200: Kapow! Fat neck, Big and loud! REFERENCE TONE!
-(2) Gibson J-185EC: fat, fat necks (think L-5 archtop), Great big frets, REFERENCE TONE!
-(1) Martin HD28: a tonal standard, had to try several out though, great capo guitar, REFERENCE TONE!
-(1)Guild F512 12 string: THE 12 string-REFERENCE TONE!
-(1)Lowden S25J-Nylon "jazz" neck, sturdy, smooth play, REFERENCE TONE!
These all sound great mic'ed with condensers from cheapo russian-made to expensive german-made(Neumann)ones; Any Shure or Akg, etc. dynamic mic is fine too. My point is that they sound good anywhere, anytime, under any conditions. They never, ever fail me and they ALWAYS sound great.

Back to Martin: I don't like the cheap ones and many of the new D-18 thru D-35s don't enthrall me, historic, vintage, whatever. Find a late model HD28-35, D41-42-45, but SHOP AROUND and be patient, you'll find one you like.

So, save your bucks, get a GREAT-sounding guitar whatever make. Shop around. The lifetime of pleasure outlasts the sting of the (well-worth-it)price tag. And DON'T buy a Taylor!(LOL)
goodnite, irene!


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Subject: RE: Why are Martin Guitars so expensive?
From: Stewart
Date: 06 Jan 08 - 05:04 PM

Expensive?

Heck, I only paid $99.95 for my Martin D-18,
new, in 1956!
And when the (slot-through) bridge flew off
(CRACK!!)
a month ago, I called Martin in Pennsylvania.
A real person answered the phone (amazing!).
After I explained my problem she connected me
directly with a service rep.
Because Martins (at least back then)
were guaranteed for life, I asked if they would
repair it under warranty.
He asked me if I had my warranty papers, and I replied,
"no, that was over 50 years ago."
After I gave him the serial number and mentioned
that I had had some warranty repair about 25 years ago,
after I had written Martin explaining I was the original owner,
he said, "no problem, just contact a certified Martin repair person
in the Seattle area and we will pay for the repair."
Done!
Best investment I ever made,
and NO, I'm not going to sell it
for any amount of money.

Cheers, S. in Seattle


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Subject: RE: Why are Martin Guitars so expensive?
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 06 Jan 08 - 04:25 PM

Why is the pope a catholic?


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Subject: RE: Why are Martin Guitars so expensive?
From: Lanfranc
Date: 05 Jan 08 - 06:25 PM

Given the weakness of the US Dollar and the current oversupply of Martin guitars, they appear to be in the process of becoming much less expensive!

On UK eBay there is currently a 1997 D-41 in near new condition going for less than GBP1000 (current RRP GBP2700) and this is about the only auctioned Martin (as opposed to "Buy it Now") that has any bids at all at the moment.

Does anyone else remember the song "Keep that wheel a'turning", where the hero "turned out more than his boss could sell"?

I rather fear that Chris Martin has saturated the market and we have reached the point where everyone who ever wanted a Martin has now got one (or, in my case, four!)!!!

Alan


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Subject: RE: Why are Martin Guitars so expensive?
From: GUEST,belerecords
Date: 19 Nov 07 - 03:27 PM

Now I'm old and a little better off than I used to be I have bought both a Martin 00018gt and a taylor GS cedar top. They are like 2 great singers with very different voices both unique in their own ways. They were both bought in separate blind playing sessions in a great shop where the assistant passed me instruments without me really being able to notice the precise details of what they were until I'd played them for at least a good 15 minutes when I stopped to have a look. It took a lot more playing before making final decisions but I don't regret either purchase. In fact buying the Martin (the first one) is one of the best decisions of my musical life - it revolutionised my playing and gave me a confidence I'd never had before. The Martin is an ultra reliable workhorse that will do anything gig after gig after gig. The Taylor came 4 years later and is a bit more of a Diva. The Taylor GS does not sound like a Taylor - it has a massive bottom end and played with a 5 string capo is amazing! I will never ever part with either, both worth every penny and I wish I'd mortaged my life 20 years earlier to buy them.


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Subject: RE: Why are Martin Guitars so expensive?
From: GUEST,Guest: Ed
Date: 19 Nov 07 - 07:20 AM

They are expensive because somebody pays the asking price. Personally I don't care for Martin's and I've owned several. They are great, given the right strings, for those that like it loud and in your face. However, that's not my thing. I like kinder and sweeter tones. After 65 years of playing I've settled on a Gibson J-185. Not too big. Not too little. Round shoulders and narrow waist makes for great snuggling and ease in wrapping around her. If you play long hours regularly that makes all the difference in the world. Martins were all right for quickies.


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Subject: RE: Why are Martin Guitars so expensive?
From: GUEST,GUEST frodopogo
Date: 12 Jun 07 - 09:46 PM

I don't currently have a steel string acoustic.
When I had one, the best I had was a lawsuit Takamine.
Like people have mentioned about Martins, it took some
playing before it started to open up.
One day I played way too long for what I was used to (weekend warrior)
and injured the index finger. Now I max out at about a half hour
on a steel string acoustic... and so it's not worth having one.
I try them now and again in shops.
I make do for my own playing with a nylon string...
but I'm very sensitive to acoustic guitar tone,
especially as a member of the audience, or hearing others
play them in shops.

I can totally agree with the comments about the differences
in sound- to me, Taylors have a clarity and a bell like quality,
but lack warmth.
Martins sound much warmer and richer to me, but almost
too warm and rich- they lack clarity.
They also tire my bad finger out the quickest.
The acoustic whose tone I have enjoyed the most listening to
was actually a fairly old (20 year old?) Alvarez Yairi.
The sound was rich, and yet every note was clear and distinct.
However, I understand how some people preferring the sound
of Martins, Gibsons or Taylors is a matter of taste.
They are definitely not the same. And it's also a matter
of function- what genre, solo or ensemble, etc.

I also play electric guitar, since it is easier on my injured
finger. I tend to like Stratocasters, and there I am well
aware of this "iconic" aspect, which is a factor with Fender's
electrics, just as it is with Martin acoustics, and virtually
all Gibsons. Some have mentioned this. There is just something
about a Martin or Gibson acoustic (if of the classic designs)
that just "looks right" for certain genres of music. (those
that have a history stretching back to the 20's,30's,40's,and 50's)
This iconic quality is a big factor, especially in the resale market.
Many good guitars that don't have that iconic quality
lose a lot of value if you bought them new and try to resell them.
Some of that resale value is partly because you have ignorant
people who wouldn't know a good guitar from a bad one buying
Martins, Gibsons, and Fender electrics, just because their dad
or granddad had one. But if resale value is a factor,
then it might be worth it to look for a good Martin or Gibson.
I would say a new guitar's price is more reflective of the cost of the
labor and materials it took to build it,
where a used guitars price is based on its reputation...
and some of that is perhaps deserved, and some
has this irrational iconic quality.

Martin is the only American company whose quality stank in the '70s.
So did Fender and Harley-Davidson- the companies barely survived because of their trashed reputations. And all the American carmakers
were making absolute junk in the '70s... what was it about those times? Surprisingly, Fender's and Harleys are still American icons.

Anyway, this thread was an interesting read- lots of good points
mixed in with irrational iconic statements that remind me
of Ford-Chevy debates when I was a kid.


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Subject: RE: Why are Martin Guitars so expensive?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 12 Jun 07 - 02:11 AM

I hope you enjoy your Martin, Marco - best wishes. Whatever you do - now that you've paid for it, don't make the mistake I did. Persist with it. Get a good luthier to look at it straightaway, and sort out any minor problems that he can see with a good set up.

My Martin D35 would never stay in tune for long - I realise now that it was probably the holes in the bridge which were too tight, or the nut that was cut wrongly. Something really trivial that could easily be sorted out. In my naivety, I thought if I paid a lot for a guitar it would be perfect from the word go.


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