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Subject: RE: DylanOnTube-PBS/ScorseseDocumentary
From: Dave Sutherland
Date: 03 Jan 06 - 03:19 PM

Thr Robert Shelton book "No Direction Home" has quite a bit in about his parents Abe and Beatrice plus his brother David. A more recent publication, Howard Sounes "Down The Highway" also features plenty about his family


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Subject: RE: DylanOnTube-PBS/ScorseseDocumentary
From: John O'L
Date: 03 Jan 06 - 01:46 AM

There is a little about his parents, aunts & uncles in his autobiogrphy 'Chronicles', but not much. I think he regards his life as being
(a) The part to which the public is entitled, and
(b) The part to which it is not entitled.

Regarding his amazing output at that time, it has been suggested that he went 'down to the crossroads'...
It wouldn't surprise me if he did.


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Subject: RE: DylanOnTube-PBS/ScorseseDocumentary
From: GUEST,Bo in KY
Date: 03 Jan 06 - 01:28 AM

I got this DVD and the "scrapbook" as a Christmas present and, having missed the PBS airing a few months ago, just watched it the other night. As one who was busy being born in the timeframe of the documentary, and thus an ankle-biter in folk music, I was awed and amazed by Dylan's story. The one thing that jumped out at me, though, was sheer number of classic, brilliant songs he wrote, and styles he went through, in .... 5-6 years???!!!! He must have been a man posessed, or had a hyperactive muse, or something....

I also have to wonder how all of this poetry with allusions ("stealing"?) and musical references could have come from a man who a few years before was an isolated teen-ager in a tiny Minnesota town. It's almost like the Shakespeare thing - how could he have known so much, regardless of who he was hanging out with? How could he have anticipated musical directions years, even decades, in advance?

It was curious that beyond the first few minutes there is no mention of his family. While I don't subscribe to the "child abuse" conjecture of an earlier poster, I do think the child is father to the man. Was Dylan ever a child?? Apparently not, according to this film of his "early years". What happened to his parents - did he even contact them again after taking off for NY?? I assume that he was an only child, as there is never any mention of siblings, but does anyone know??

Just wondering ... this moving film got me thinking and got me inspired!!   

Shalom,   Bo


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Subject: RE: DylanOnTube-PBS/ScorseseDocumentary
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 05 Oct 05 - 05:54 PM

a majority of women did not work

Meaning that unless it's waged employment it's not work? By which definition an enormous chunk of the world's population over the ages, men as well as wome, have never worked.

I know that's drifting the thread, but it annoys me when I come across people using that lazy and innacurate way of talking, and the last few days I've kept on coming across people in the media doing it.


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Subject: RE: DylanOnTube-PBS/ScorseseDocumentary
From: Peter T.
Date: 05 Oct 05 - 04:55 PM

I think it is possible to be the voice of a generation without people knowing it at the time, or without unanimity -- Beethoven is the voice of the beginning of the 19th century, though there were certainly lots of Austro-Hungarians who would have disagreed if asked.

I don't think Dylan was the voice of his generation, because there were lots of other "voices" at the time -- the fascinating thing is that there were so many at one time.   Perhaps the Zeitgeist just was so full it burbled up in many people.

I think if there was a voice it was the Beatles. And that was partly a kind of accident of timing, everyone fixated on few TV channels, the death of Kennedy so recent, etc. -- if you were in America in February 1964, there was no doubt that the earth shook, and kept on shaking!! Dylan himself says that the Beatles changed everything. Then he turned around and did it to them -- which is schematically true, but the truth is that the Beatles were everything, and Dylan was an interesting phenomenon to 90% of those who had ever heard of him which was not a lot of people, the recent hype notwithstanding. "Like A Rolling Stone" did not change everything: "She Loves You" did.

yours,

Peter T.


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Subject: RE: DylanOnTube-PBS/ScorseseDocumentary
From: Don Firth
Date: 05 Oct 05 - 12:18 PM

GUEST, Rich, I agree, Odetta is fantastic!

I taped a repeat of the Dylan special. I haven't had a chance to watch it yet, but I'm pretty sure the song Odetta was singing was a chain gang song called "Take This Hammer." The first verse goes like this:
Take this hammer (WHUP!), carry it to the captain (WHUP!)
Take this hammer (WHUP!), carry it to the captain (WHUP!)
Take this hammer (WHUP!), carry it to the captain (WHUP!)
Tell 'im I'm gone (WHUP!)! Tell 'im I'm gone (WHUP!)!
There are a whole bunch of verses to this (DT gives a few verses HERE), and a lot of the verses were improvised, much like those of a sea chantey. The percussive "WHUP" or "WHOP" in the song was the grunt as the prisoner swung the hammer or pick-axe. Best Loved American Folk Songs (also published under the title Folk Song U. S. A.) by John and Alan Lomax has a song called "Rainbow 'Round My Shoulder," with essentially the same tune and a lot of the same verses—and more than likely, it's merely a variation of the same song. The first verse goes
I've got a rainbow (WHUP!) 'round my shoulder (WHUP!) [3 times]
But it ain't gonna rain (WHUP!). No, it ain't gonna rain (WHUP!).
The "rainbow" is the flash of the sun on the hammer-head or pick-axe.

I hope this helps.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: DylanOnTube-PBS/ScorseseDocumentary
From: Chris in Wheaton
Date: 05 Oct 05 - 11:17 AM

the 60's didn't really hit the mainstream until the 70's - and then got lost in self-absorbtion - like Our Hero
my take -
more interesting songs than Irving Berlin's
less talented than Gershwin
worse actor than Edd Kookie Byrnes

Chris in Wheaton


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Subject: RE: DylanOnTube-PBS/ScorseseDocumentary
From: number 6
Date: 05 Oct 05 - 10:58 AM

Yes there are other phot albums to be looked at, but there only is one sitting on the coffe table. ... the sixties will always be remebered for love-ins, happenings, Woodstock, anti-war protests ... and yes the civil rights movements will be in that photo, but always with a perception of the south.

Not everyone was a 'hippy', women did not have rights, segregation was not fully eliminated.

sIx


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Subject: RE: DylanOnTube-PBS/ScorseseDocumentary
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 05 Oct 05 - 10:33 AM

the faces aren't missing, it just depends on which photo album you are looking at.


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Subject: RE: DylanOnTube-PBS/ScorseseDocumentary
From: number 6
Date: 05 Oct 05 - 10:25 AM

I'm a very big fan of Dylan. I admire his artistry (and his singing voice) to the up most. My peers, my outlook at that time in the 60's, and somewhat still to this day reflect that liberal image. That very image that is displayed by the media these days, giving a perception of that was what the 60's were completely about. But I have to agree with Guest. I remember vividly that we were definitely in the minority (my peers and I) in our outlook on liberalism, philosophy, art and 'rejection of the then rules and mores of society'. We were the outlaws of society. We were the outlaws that Dylan was reaching to.

Dylan certainly did speak to us, but he was not speaking for a large portion of the western world population. Don't forget, a majority of women did not work and those who did were generally relegated to the 2nd class jobs. They accepted it at that time. Let's face it, Dylan's voice couldn't match the smoothness and romance of Jonny Mathis. It wasn't until the 70's that they began to see the light, and the source of this light was certainly not the songs of Dylan.

He was not heard by the Afro Americans. Don't think all segregation was specific to the American south (another false perception of the media), there was (and still is) a large population 'caged' (thank you Randy Newman for that expression) in the ghettos of every major city in the U.S. These people in the 60's were venting their anger and frustration in violent riots in Detroit, Newark, and L.A. Let's face it, they were not and could not relate to some white middleclass kid with a hillbilly voice.

Dylan's songs did not reach the majority of the male population from the Midwest, and the industrial centres who were putting their lives on the line for their country. For a war they thought was just. Dylan was a hippy, he represented everything that was not God, country and the values of hard blue collar work

It is these people I have mentioned above whose faces are missing form that old photo of the sixties.

sIx


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Subject: RE: DylanOnTube-PBS/ScorseseDocumentary
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 05 Oct 05 - 09:17 AM

I would not generalize about women so much guest.

I don't think it is unusual that people gravitate toward music from someone of their own gender. I would say I know more women who were Joni Mitchell fans then my male friends. I think we tend to follow music that speaks to us personally, and often it is hard to relate to the feelings being expressed by an artist of the opposite sex.   That doesn't mean we don't learn and experience their music, it just isn't something that we cling to.

Back in the 60's I was in middle school. We had an art teacher that would allow the students to bring in albums while we worked on our projects.   There was one girl in our class who would always bring in Bob Dylan albums. It was not a case of teen idols like those that were bringing in Beatle and Rolling Stones albums.   At that age, I was just a sponge - usually listening to whatever was on the radio or being offered by Ed Sullivan.   I do remember being struck by the words and Dylan's delivery.    Sure his voice was rough, but I don't think the power would have been there if a vocalist like Perry Como or the like tried to sing the song.   

No one is being forced to like Dylan.   I do find it interesting that MOST of the Dylan detractors in this thread tend to show up as an anonymous guest. That speaks volumes.


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Subject: RE: DylanOnTube-PBS/ScorseseDocumentary
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Oct 05 - 08:47 AM

Yes, many faces are missing from "The Sixties Generation" snapshots, to be sure. Minorities and women especially. I can't think of that many women who, over the years, felt that Dylan spoke to them about much of anything. I think the so-called "Dylan phenomenon" is the construct of a white middle class male mind, and nothing more. And before you all come storming in to tell me you know just TONS of women who absolutely LOVE Dylan: there are always plenty of female appeasers to go along with the boys. Those sorts of women tend to always "love" whatever their significant male of the moment (be it a respected and beloved friend, boyfriend, father, brother, husband, etc) loves.

Not that Dylan doesn't have female fans. He does, and I've even known a few. But Dylan devotees these days seem to be mostly middle age and older men. Or at least that's what a friend of mine told me after attending a recent Dylan concert. Said he thought maybe he'd stumbled into a heavy metal gig for elders by mistake. ;-)


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Subject: RE: DylanOnTube-PBS/ScorseseDocumentary
From: Little Hawk
Date: 05 Oct 05 - 12:45 AM

Odetta was marvelous.

Peter, why would you not like Dylan's voice in '75, with the Rolling Thunder Revue? He was in great form. Or on "Blood On The Tracks"? Or on "Street Legal"? Or on "Infidels"?

I know his voice is different after '66, but it certainly wasn't lacking in either strength or range until about the early to mid-90's. It was almost gone in the last concert I saw.


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Subject: RE: DylanOnTube-PBS/ScorseseDocumentary
From: GUEST,Rich
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 11:45 PM

I don't think I'd ever paid much attention to Odetta, but hearing her clip in part one of the documentary just blew my mind. Does anyone know what song that was she was singing? The one where she was making these wonderful percussive sounds while she sang? I must find this.


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Subject: RE: DylanOnTube-PBS/ScorseseDocumentary
From: number 6
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 10:38 PM

Sorry .... Guest 9:59 is me.

Of course Bob didn't speak for everyone or 'his generation' ...many years later after 'that' period in the 60's history gives a rather one sided perception at that 'generation' of 'that period'. Many faces are missing from that snapshot many years later.

sIx


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Subject: RE: DylanOnTube-PBS/ScorseseDocumentary
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 10:36 PM

... but obviously you listened to them Peter T if you came to that conclusion.


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Subject: RE: DylanOnTube-PBS/ScorseseDocumentary
From: Peter T.
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 10:32 PM

I hate Dylan's voice since 1966, and it has gotten progressively whinier and miserable. I have to tune out his voice and listen to it as if it were someone else singing.   The last two albums were excruciating to listen to.    Amazing what you will go through in the expectation that there is a pearl in all these oyster shells (or a pony under, etc....)



yours,

Peter T.


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Subject: RE: DylanOnTube-PBS/ScorseseDocumentary
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 10:29 PM

Of course he didn't speak for everyone. Neither do guests.


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Subject: RE: DylanOnTube-PBS/ScorseseDocumentary
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 09:59 PM

"White liberal males from middle class families, who loved Dylan, found ways to stay out of Vietnam though, didn't they? He did speak for them, I'm sure.

But did Dylan speak for an entire generation?

No way."

I have to agree with you on that Guest!

sIx


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Subject: RE: DylanOnTube-PBS/ScorseseDocumentary
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 09:15 PM

I couldn't STAND Dylan's voice between 1963 and 1969 (when I was listening to virtually all the other well known folksingers with great enjoyment). Then I converted to absolutely LOVING his voice in '69, and have remained that way ever since. I had actually never given the man a chance until that year. If you point blank refuse to listen to something at all, how are you going to find out if it's any good or not?

(by way of explanation: I simply did not listen to commercial radio as a kid, except by accident. If I had heard Dylan on some radio, I probably would not even have known it was him. I listened to records that I or my parents had bought. Lots of them. We bought no Dylan albums.

After '69, and my discovery of what Bob had to say, I bought every friggin' thing he had ever recorded, and have continued doing so to this day. What Bob says gets my attention.


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Subject: RE: DylanOnTube-PBS/ScorseseDocumentary
From: robomatic
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 09:23 AM

LOL had dinner with a child of the 60's last night (He's a bit older'n me). I brought up the Dylan 'mystique'. My friend is as with-it as anyone else, but he is also an experienced chorister and he could never stand Dylan's voice, which I find not at all hard to understand.

We also talked about a phenomenon which one of you folks may have a name for: Listening to music much later and developing a like or dislike for it very different from your earlier feeling. I grew up not listening to pop music, then enduring a trip across the United States by car where for some reason there were no classical radio stations until I hit Chicago (and I didn't hit Chicago). Two weeks later I was listening to pop for life. My friend used to listen to a particular Marshall Tucker album before every ski trip. Recently he heard it for the first time in years and had a profound negative reaction.


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Subject: RE: DylanOnTube-PBS/ScorseseDocumentary
From: DonMeixner
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 07:39 PM

NAh! I'm just enjoying a Sikh sense of humor.

Don


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Subject: RE: DylanOnTube-PBS/ScorseseDocumentary
From: Little Hawk
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 07:00 PM

Yeah, that's what I noticed too, robomatic. Ironical, isn't it?


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Subject: RE: DylanOnTube-PBS/ScorseseDocumentary
From: robomatic
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 06:53 PM

Guest with no name I'm guessin' you watched that documentary through a monocle...so's you wouldn't see more'n you can understand.

You are saying pretty much about Dylan what he said about himself, only YOU have a hangup about it.


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Subject: RE: DylanOnTube-PBS/ScorseseDocumentary
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 09:44 AM

Do people who run rodeos have some religious objection to riders wearing turbans then, Don?


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Subject: RE: DylanOnTube-PBS/ScorseseDocumentary
From: Elmer Fudd
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 01:22 AM

I like to speak for myself. I like to listen to others, Dylan included.

Elmer


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Subject: RE: DylanOnTube-PBS/ScorseseDocumentary
From: Little Hawk
Date: 02 Oct 05 - 11:30 PM

And get this: NOBODY speaks for a "whole generation". Nobody.

After all, you'd have to have everyone agree for that to happen, wouldn't you?


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Subject: RE: DylanOnTube-PBS/ScorseseDocumentary
From: Little Hawk
Date: 02 Oct 05 - 11:25 PM

I thank God he didn't speak for you. You have no name, and probably nothing much else worth remarking on either.


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Subject: RE: DylanOnTube-PBS/ScorseseDocumentary
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Oct 05 - 10:24 PM

Why the race and class issue matters? Because white boy liberals don't speak for "an entire generation". Nor did Bob Dylan. Sure he influenced a few black musicians. But that ain't the same as saying he wrote an anti-war anthem that kept them out of the draft or out of Vietnam, now is it?

White liberal males from middle class families, who loved Dylan, found ways to stay out of Vietnam though, didn't they? He did speak for them, I'm sure.

But did Dylan speak for an entire generation?

No way.

Thank god.


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Subject: RE: DylanOnTube-PBS/ScorseseDocumentary
From: Owlkat
Date: 02 Oct 05 - 10:05 PM

Meow y'all,
I was just channel flicking and watched it for a while. What I saw was an attempt to present an moving portrait of an apolitical, amoral, and pathalogically self-involved and very clever wordsmith, and his successful attempt to remake himself into a cultural icon and musical mystic, and profit. Oops. Freudian slip. He did nothing special in adopting/borrowing every popular style on his journey to stardom. So did hundreds of thousands of other urban folkies. Big deal.
I loved the part where he was working as a carnie. Boy, does that speak volumes.
He is a very sharp and opportunistic entrepeneur, who spotted music and cultural trends in their infancies, and surfed their leading edges to wealth, influence, and semi-godlike admiration. His anti-war songs were tailored to fit the sentiments of the day, but, all talk and no action is like a good intention. He never went to jail for protesting the war in Viet Nam, or walking in civil rights marches, or making any kind of significant gesture to really show his solidarity with the songs he was singing, and as far as Corporate America is concerned, I remember his songs being used for bank commercials.
So here's to Robert Zimmerman; con-man, and self-proclaimed guru. It's no wonder the documentary had little substance. So did its subject.
And I so totally mean it.
Cheers,
Owl


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Subject: RE: DylanOnTube-PBS/ScorseseDocumentary
From: Elmer Fudd
Date: 02 Oct 05 - 09:27 PM

No black Dylan fans????? What about Jimi Hendrix doing "All Along the Watchtower?" Richie Havens also sang Dylan songs and knew him in the Village.

Elmer


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Subject: RE: DylanOnTube-PBS/ScorseseDocumentary
From: Bobert
Date: 02 Oct 05 - 09:22 PM

Well, this past Saturday was the first time in six months that I've been able to make it up to Archie Edwards Barber Shop in NE Wsahington, DC, where more of the blues players are black than white...

But, hey, guy (okay, white) played "Maggie's Farm" and then I played "She Belongs to Me" an veryone seemed to diggin' the songs... Black, white, don't matter none... Everyone was playin'.... Sometimes foklks will walk out front if they don't like the songs but no one was walkin' out...

Now, I know that don't prove nuthin' an' maybe Dylan ain't been presented properly to the black community... If so, that's real sad 'cause Dylan plays a lotta blues...

As fir the other commentatries 'bout Dylan's influences and all... Hey, he is and was a friggin' folk singer... If we ain't caharged to look around at what's going down and report back in song, then who the heck is?????

Any criticism of Dylan because he was influenced by__________ (fill in the blank, is a lot of crap...

We are all influenced....

He did more than be influenced.... He reported what he saw... That's what make him a very, very special ( okay, maybe lucky) but special person...

MO....

Bobert


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Subject: RE: DylanOnTube-PBS/ScorseseDocumentary
From: DonMeixner
Date: 02 Oct 05 - 09:10 PM

Little Hawk,

Actually to be rodeo rider anywhere I think the Sikhs would have to wear the wrong kind of hat. It would be a religious issue.

Don (ducks low to escape serious notice) Meixner


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Subject: RE: DylanOnTube-PBS/ScorseseDocumentary
From: Little Hawk
Date: 02 Oct 05 - 08:30 PM

I have almost never met a black Dylan fan either. So? What difference does that make? Dylan was certainly a fan of a whole lot of black musicians, and some quite notable black musicians were his friends and have covered his songs. You can see some of them in concert films, like the big Dylan anniversary show. Dylan gets along great with black musicians, it seems.

Does the fact that folk music was being marketed to a predominantly white audience back then invalidate it in your eyes? Why? What difference does it make? There were some styles of music that were marketed to an almost entirely black audience at that time. So? What difference would that make either?

The ethnicity of his audience is no argument against the quality or significance of his work.

You don't find too many black hockey players either. So what? It doesn't fucking matter! (and there ARE a few of them here and there)

It's a cultural thing. How many Sikhs do you find who are rodeo riders in Oklahoma? Does it matter. No. It doesn't.


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Subject: RE: DylanOnTube-PBS/ScorseseDocumentary
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Oct 05 - 07:59 PM

Actually, I didn't say it was just a class thing, did I? If I did, my bad. It was a class and race thing.

In my mixed race high school, I didn't know a single black Dylan fan. And we actually had a fair amount of inter-racial dating going on in Westchester County back then.

Smokey Robinson and the Miracles OTOH...


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Subject: RE: DylanOnTube-PBS/ScorseseDocumentary
From: akenaton
Date: 02 Oct 05 - 03:21 PM

Making a lot of assumptions there Robo....


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Subject: RE: DylanOnTube-PBS/ScorseseDocumentary
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 02 Oct 05 - 03:20 PM

Robomatic evidently has an awful lpot of information about GUEST with no name. Some kind of psychic reading I suppose...


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Subject: RE: DylanOnTube-PBS/ScorseseDocumentary
From: robomatic
Date: 02 Oct 05 - 01:56 PM

GUEST with no name - 01 Oct 05 - 08:54 AM
I think the name of the critical analysis you espouse was "Dialectical Materialism" which called forth a dialect so obscure, full of its own definitions that it obfuscated rather than enlightened. Whether or not your argument holds water that BD was popular among certain classes does not call forth why you are so interested in this thread. By not identifying yourself you are more of a lightweight troll than a contributor.

It is just such trendy (or in this case defunct) analyses that bedevilled BD and made him such a hard press interview. I enjoyed the scenes where he was obviously trying not to be pigeon-holed by the press, including avoiding saying he was trying to avoid being pigeon holed, because THAT would have been a pigeon hole.

Guest, you would have fitted right in with the press of the time, even if you felt really cool that you were fronting the "Daily Worker".

So you obviously hold it against BD that he did not then nor does he now espouse those particular false ideals of class warfare that you embrace.

As for being involved in a recent commercial with some good lookin' women, it's his own affair and doesn't call into question anything in the Scorsese documentary.


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Subject: RE: DylanOnTube-PBS/ScorseseDocumentary
From: Don Firth
Date: 02 Oct 05 - 01:06 PM

This thread is starting to resemble a dissection table. . . .

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: DylanOnTube-PBS/ScorseseDocumentary
From: Little Hawk
Date: 02 Oct 05 - 12:31 PM

and "the naked truth is still taboo whenever it can be seen"


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Subject: RE: DylanOnTube-PBS/ScorseseDocumentary
From: GUEST,Sophisticated Beggar
Date: 02 Oct 05 - 12:24 PM

Still a man hears what he wants to hear

And disregards the rest

Lie lie lie ....,


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Subject: RE: DylanOnTube-PBS/ScorseseDocumentary
From: Little Hawk
Date: 02 Oct 05 - 11:27 AM

If you love people, you can see a lot of good in them. If you don't, then not.


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Subject: RE: DylanOnTube-PBS/ScorseseDocumentary
From: GUEST, Sophisticated Beggar
Date: 02 Oct 05 - 09:31 AM

He does it. You talk about it, and for as long as you do he spends the cash. What more of a reason does a man need, before you call him a man?


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Subject: RE: DylanOnTube-PBS/ScorseseDocumentary
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Oct 05 - 09:23 AM

That would have been interesting as an electric version.


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Subject: RE: DylanOnTube-PBS/ScorseseDocumentary
From: Peter T.
Date: 02 Oct 05 - 07:29 AM

Of course the big omission in the documentary was the act just before Dylan went electric.   I believe it was cousin Emmy doing her famous "Turkey in the Straw" beaten out on her cheeks. Makes you think.

yours,

Peter T.


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Subject: RE: DylanOnTube-PBS/ScorseseDocumentary
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 02 Oct 05 - 01:18 AM

What do you mean you don't understand? I'm not sure why he needs to explain it either.


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Subject: RE: DylanOnTube-PBS/ScorseseDocumentary
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Oct 05 - 11:54 PM

I am sorry, nameless one, but I can shed no light on that either... ;-) None whatsoever. Bob can do what he likes, I will still like his songs.


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Subject: RE: DylanOnTube-PBS/ScorseseDocumentary
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Oct 05 - 11:40 PM

I'm a man, and I'm asking why. Why do such a rubbish piece of commercial tripe with a bunch of undie bimbos?


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Subject: RE: DylanOnTube-PBS/ScorseseDocumentary
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 01 Oct 05 - 11:36 PM

It is very easy to figure out why he did that commercial. They asked him, they paid him, and they let him work with gorgeous women.   If he said no, THEN we would be asking why!


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Subject: RE: DylanOnTube-PBS/ScorseseDocumentary
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Oct 05 - 11:14 PM

And still, we are no closer to knowing why he made those rubbish lingerie commercials that made him look like a sleezy creepy stalker perve.


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