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Old Guy 16 Nov 06 - 10:47 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: Halliburton owns the U.S. government
From: Old Guy
Date: 16 Nov 06 - 10:47 PM

Bobert: "Get into the real world... No, it may not be a lot of fun but it is the real world...

I play in it every day..."

I work in the real world every day.

Yes, Cheney received a deferred, fixed amount of money that was owed to him before he came into office.

Has that amount of money increased or decreased due to Iraq? If so show me where.

Concerns have been raised regarding the possible conflict of interest resulting from Cheney's deferred compensation and stock options from Halliburton. However, before entering office in 2001, Cheney bought an insurance policy that guaranteed a fixed amount of deferred payments from Halliburton each year for five years so that the payments would not depend on the company's fortunes. He is legally bound by an agreement he signed which turns over power of attorney to a trust administrator to sell the options at some future time and to give the after-tax profits to three charities. The agreement specifies that 40% will go to the University of Wyoming (in Cheney's home state), 40% will go to George Washington University's medical faculty to be used for tax-exempt charitable purposes, and 20% will go to Capital Partners for Education. The agreement states that it is "irrevocable and may not be terminated, waived or amended," preventing Cheney from taking back the options at a later date....


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Subject: RE: BS: Halliburton owns the U.S. government
From: Bobert
Date: 16 Nov 06 - 12:36 PM

What d said, t...

And as fir yer eyes being blue??? Must have been some blue food coloring in the bull's feed...

I mean, lets get real here...

You are no more right on this one as you were with yer positions during the mad-dash-to-Iraqmire and we all know how they turned out...

But, as per the pre=invasions discussions we had, don't believe me but I'm sniffin' a Congressional investigation into Helliburton in the comin' year an' all this stuff is gonna come out and when it does...

... like Iraqmire, you'll sneek outta here in the dead of night and resurface in a couple of years with a revised story...

In the words of the late, great Jackie Gleason,
"Yer a pip there, T-Bird..."

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Halliburton owns the U.S. government
From: dianavan
Date: 16 Nov 06 - 04:08 AM

Another word for remedial repairs and restoration of an oil pipeline might be said to be reconstruction of that pipeline.

Lets not split hairs.

If there had been no invasion, there would have been no need to repair the pipeline. It wasn't broken.

The Iraqi invasion has been very profitable for Halliburton and their associates.

http://www.halliburtonwatch.org/home.html


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Subject: RE: BS: Halliburton owns the U.S. government
From: Teribus
Date: 16 Nov 06 - 03:33 AM

A question for you Bobert relating to something that you came out with in your post of 14 Nov 06 - 08:08 PM:

"T, you are so full of it that I'd bet your eyes a brown (Actually they are blue Bobert)... I've been around contracts and if yyou are standing by your assertion that Helliburton's 1998 contract for services "A,B & C" also would cover services "D, E & F" for recontsruction of an occupied country that the US had invaded then you are on some serious mind aletering drugs that have render your mind incapable of comprehending nothin', absolutely nuthin', that has to do with the real world"

Please provide details of any contract that Halliburton has been awarded for reconstruction in Iraq. As far as I know they provide engineering, logistics and support services for the US Forces and they were tasked with remedial repairs to oilfield infrastructure damaged during the invasion and in the restoration of Iraq's oil production capability - No reconstruction of an occupied country as such Bobert.

Regarding the reconstruction of Iraq (Bobert's services D, E & F) funded through USAID these currently involve some 150 US companies and the work is worth around $48.7 billion for work in both Iraq and Afghanistan. For those outside the US, it is a condition of anyone accepting USAID that the money pledged MUST be spent inside the US and that US companies must be contracted to undertake the work - Halliburton isn't one of them Bobert.


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Subject: RE: BS: Halliburton owns the U.S. government
From: Bobert
Date: 14 Nov 06 - 08:08 PM

Has Dick Cheney recieved money from Helliburton as a sitting Vice President???

Yes ______

No _______

I rest my case...

No I don't...

T, you are so full of it that I'd bet your eyes a brown... I've been around contracts and if yyou are standing by your assertion that Helliburton's 1998 contract for services "A,B & C" also would cover services "D, E & F" for recontsruction of an occupied country that the US had invaded then you are on some serious mind aletering drugs that have render your mind incapable of comprehending nothin', absolutely nuthin', that has to do with the real world... Imean, thi8s is the weakest argument that you have ever made and absolutely rediculous... No, well beyond absolutely rediculous...

Wahat a crock of bull on your part!!!

No, make that a hundred crocks of bull...

No, make it a million crocks...

Are you for real, pal...

Hey, look, you ain't playin' with folks here who haven't done anything in their lives but sing folk music... I've been in the trenches with contracts and you are full of bull... You wouod be laughed out of any real life contract negotiation session...

Sorry, but you are dead wrong here.... *****Dead wrong****...

Get into the real world... No, it may not be a lot of fun but it is the real world...

I play in it every day...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Halliburton owns the U.S. government
From: Old Guy
Date: 14 Nov 06 - 06:34 PM

So what favors is Cheney getting from the University of Wyoming, George Washington University and the Capital Partners for Education?

Let's have some details here instead of a broad assumption.

I can see where he might get free medical care from GWU but he is getting it free now and he's got the geetis to pay it out of pocket anyway.


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Subject: RE: BS: Halliburton owns the U.S. government
From: Little Hawk
Date: 14 Nov 06 - 02:31 PM

When you know the right people, it's never that big a problem, Old Guy. A favor here gets a favor there. One hand washes the other. You know how it is in any big organization.


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Subject: RE: BS: Halliburton owns the U.S. government
From: Old Guy
Date: 14 Nov 06 - 01:46 PM

Bobert:

"He is legally bound by an agreement he signed which turns over power of attorney to a trust administrator to sell the options at some future time and to give the after-tax profits to three charities. The agreement specifies that 40% will go to the University of Wyoming (in Cheney's home state), 40% will go to George Washington University's medical faculty to be used for tax-exempt charitable purposes, and 20% will go to Capital Partners for Education. The agreement states that it is "irrevocable and may not be terminated, waived or amended," preventing Cheney from taking back the options at a later date"

Please explain to us how is Cheney getting his kickback money from Halliburton?


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Subject: RE: BS: Halliburton owns the U.S. government
From: Little Hawk
Date: 14 Nov 06 - 11:40 AM

Of course they're acceptable to him, Peace. He finds them convenient because it gives him ammunition with which to shoot at Bobert's last post. ;-) Such are the petty victories sought by people engaging in arguments.

Iraqis, of course, find neither set of death count numbers particularly convenient, given the fact that they are the people directly affected.


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Subject: RE: BS: Halliburton owns the U.S. government
From: Peace
Date: 14 Nov 06 - 10:18 AM

"IraqBodyCount, so far the most comprehensive and accurate, but by no means infallable, gives a high figure total of 55,000. The Iraqi Government comes up with potential but unconfirmed estimates of between 100,000 and 150,000."

Acceptable numbers to you are they?


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Subject: RE: BS: Halliburton owns the U.S. government
From: Teribus
Date: 14 Nov 06 - 03:23 AM

Bobert's post of 13 Nov 06 - 07:56 PM, wonders about a "sanitized" web site that shows that current US Vice-President Dick Cheney has nothing to do with the Halliburton Organisation. Well Bobert, that would not come as any shock to any rational human being as the current date is 14th November 2006 and Dick Cheney cut all ties with Halliburton to run for Office in some time in 1999.

"Of course, the mighty Teribus will argue that the US government, under Bill Clinton mind you, entered into some kind of open ended contract with Helliburton in '98 that forsaw Cheney's invasion orders of Iraqmire and therefore the contracts were perfectly above board???"

No arguement Bobert, no arguement at all. The fact that Halliburton were awarded a competitively bid five year Frame Agreement Contract in 1998 during the Clinton Administrations second term in office is undeniable (Year 1 of the contract ran from 1998 to 1999; Year 2 from 1999 to 2000; Year 3 from 2000 to 2001; Year 4 from 2001 to 2002 and Year 5 from 2002 to 2003), it is a simple matter of record, no arguement at all. The contract scope of work in broad terms was to provide engineering, logistical and support services to the US military on a world-wide basis - No foresight required Bobert, if during that period Bobert, any branch of the US military required any such services, anywhere in the world, it would fall upon Halliburton to provide those services. Oh, and yes Bobert the contracts were perfectly above board.

On a separate subject Bobert quotes deaths in Iraq as being 650,000.

This figure of 650,000 comes from an article in the British Medical Journal, "The Lancet", the numbers arrived at come from batch sampling and extrapolation and the survey has been totally discredited, it suits Bobert's purposes so he believes it to be true. Bobert believing it to be true does not however make it true.
IraqBodyCount, so far the most comprehensive and accurate, but by no means infallable, gives a high figure total of 55,000. The Iraqi Government comes up with potential but unconfirmed estimates of between 100,000 and 150,000.


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Subject: RE: BS: Halliburton owns the U.S. government
From: Little Hawk
Date: 14 Nov 06 - 02:52 AM

Dickering around about who is worse, the Democrats or the Republicans, and which one of them has toadied up to Haliburton and when and how is largely a waste of time. They both serve the same corporate masters. They adopt differing outward styles primarily to delude the voting public into thinking it still has a real choice and a real democracy.

It's a clever technique, mind you. It works every time. Americans are used to it, and they think it's the only way. When people in the USA can only can see 2 viable, electable choices to vote for...Tweedledee and Tweedledum...they will vote accordingly for one or the other and the farce will go on for another term of office. Look at the pathetic choices you are offered, generally speaking, for you chief executive. The faces in power will change whenever enough damage has been done to the public's interests to alienate a majority of Americans against the false face that's presently in power...in which case they will turn to the other false face for the next 4 to 8 years.

"And may the farce be with you." ;-)

This is how you can have what is technically still a "democracy" in terms of the public mechanisms and laws put in place, but is actually an undemocratic oligarchy of powerful financial interests that are completely beyond the control of the public, and not reachable through the election process. Money bought out your democracy long ago and replaced it with an outer facade.

Very clever indeed. The same has happened in many other places too, by the way, not just in the USA.


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Subject: RE: BS: Halliburton owns the U.S. government
From: Little Hawk
Date: 14 Nov 06 - 02:31 AM

They may own the US Government, but they don't own my dachshund yet!

He has an agenda all his own...


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Subject: RE: BS: Halliburton owns the U.S. government
From: Old Guy
Date: 13 Nov 06 - 10:27 PM

Bobert's drug induced humming bird trance ignores this fact:

Halliburton discovered the benefits of government patronage when its support for U.S. President Lyndon Johnson resulted in several contracts, such as constructing military bases during the Vietnam War. In 1991


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Subject: RE: BS: Halliburton owns the U.S. government
From: Bobert
Date: 13 Nov 06 - 07:56 PM

Well, given that the Cheney administration that has gotten the US into Iraqmire is the same Cheney, irregarless of the sanitizing of the current website, who once ran Helliburton and collected money annually from Hellibrton at the time that Helliburton was being awarded no-bid contracts I would have to say that it's twiddle-dee, twiddle dum on the ownership end of the deal...

Of course, the mighty Teribus will argue that the US government, under Bill Clinton mind you, entered into some kind of open ended contract with Helliburton in '98 that forsaw Cheney's invasion orders of Iraqmire and therefore the contracts were perfectly above board???

Hmmmmmmmmm??? I think the better drugs ain't comin' States way these days...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Halliburton owns the U.S. government
From: Peace
Date: 13 Nov 06 - 06:40 PM

Halliburton doesn't OWN the US government, but it certainly seems they are the tail that wags the dog.


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Subject: RE: BS: Halliburton owns the U.S. government
From: Peace
Date: 13 Nov 06 - 06:37 PM

http://www.halliburtonwatch.org/


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Subject: RE: BS: Halliburton owns the U.S. government
From: Bobert
Date: 13 Nov 06 - 06:32 PM

Just for fun, I checked out the Halliburton web site that d has provided and there is a place where you can insert a name or product and search it and, hmmmmmmm??? Seems that this site hasn't ever heard of Dick Cheney???

Like what's this all about???

But then I noticed the small print and found that the site has been revised by Diebold, Inc....

Nevermind...


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Subject: RE: BS: Halliburton owns the U.S. government
From: dianavan
Date: 13 Nov 06 - 05:49 PM

"the major part of Halliburton's stock is owned by investment companies, insurance companies and pension funds."

And here are the names of the people who control those stocks:

http://www.halliburton.com/about/board_of_dir.jsp


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Subject: RE: BS: Halliburton owns the U.S. government
From: Teribus
Date: 13 Nov 06 - 03:16 AM

Always thought that it was the other way round, Lady Bird's family were major shareholders and LBJ married into it.

But so far all research indicates that US Government does not appear to be among things owned by Halliburton, and that the major part of Halliburton's stock is owned by investment companies, insurance companies and pension funds.


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Subject: RE: BS: Halliburton owns the U.S. government
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Nov 06 - 02:05 PM

Someone recently told me that Lydon Bains Johnson, owns Hallibuton, bought in the 60". Now Lady Bird and daughter Lynda benefit. Does anyone know?


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Subject: RE: BS: Halliburton owns the U.S. government
From: Peace
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 02:18 AM

Of course, blocks of stocks and mutual funds can be owned by individuals who wish to remain 'anonymous'.


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Subject: RE: BS: Halliburton owns the U.S. government
From: Old Guy
Date: 09 Nov 06 - 11:09 PM

So only 5% of Halliburton is directly owned, 82% is owned by stock and mututal funds so that leaves 13% owned by inddividuals.

Those funds must be the major owner of the government.


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Subject: RE: BS: Halliburton owns the U.S. government
From: Peace
Date: 09 Nov 06 - 01:22 AM

Old Guy:

You asked above who owns Halliburton. Here ya go.


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Subject: RE: BS: Halliburton owns the U.S. government
From: Old Guy
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 10:28 PM

Bobert:

Have you studied up on the history of LOGCAPs yet?

...Halliburton discovered the benefits of government patronage when its support for U.S. President Lyndon Johnson resulted in several contracts, such as constructing military bases during the Vietnam War. In 1991, after the Persian Gulf War, then-Defense Secretary Cheney commissioned Brown & Root to conduct a study on the benefits of military outsourcing, paying the company an additional $5 million to update the report months later. In 1992, Brown & Root was awarded the U.S. Army's first Logistics Civil Augmentation Program contract, an omnibus contract that allows the Army to call on KBR for support in all of its field operations, including combat, peacekeeping and humanitarian assistance. LOGCAP is a "cost plus award fee" contract, meaning that KBR is paid a fee above the cost of the service ranging from two percent to five percent, depending on performance. When the Army needs a service performed, it issues a "task order," a sort of minicontract that outlines the tasks the contractor needs to perform.

When the United States joined NATO forces in the Balkans in 1995, KBR was deployed to the Balkans. KBR lost a second five-year LOGCAP contract—awarded to DynCorp in 1997— after the General Accounting Office reported in February 1997 that KBR had overrun its estimated costs in the Balkans by 32 percent (some of which was attributed to an increase in the Army's demands). Despite these findings, KBR was awarded a new contract for Balkan logistical support that ran through May 1999. In September 2000, the GAO released another report claiming the Army had not reined in contractor costs, placing the total cost of the Balkan contract at $2.2 billion...

Excerpted from http://www.publicintegrity.org/wow/bio.aspx?act=pro&ddlC=31


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Subject: RE: BS: Halliburton owns the U.S. government
From: Don Firth
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 10:06 PM

Then, Teribus, you haven't been paying attention to the news. Or you've been listening only to Fox News and people like Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Halliburton owns the U.S. government
From: Teribus
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 10:01 PM

Bobert as far as I am aware Halliburton has never been awarded a contract to rebuild any country, invaded, or otherwise.

Frame Agreement Contract covered engineering support and services required for by the US Military, it also included immediate repair of oilfield infrastructure damaged by military action or by deliberate sabotage by the enemy.


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Subject: RE: BS: Halliburton owns the U.S. government
From: Old Guy
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 09:51 PM

I have benn looking all over the net trying to find out who owns Halliburton and I can't fine anything except Mike Moore owns Halliburton stock.

Does anybody know who owns Halliburton?


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Subject: RE: BS: Halliburton owns the U.S. government
From: Bobert
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 10:06 AM

Yeah, T-Bird, what brucies says... Hope you unloaded yer Halliburton stocks before the election...

And, for the record, your argument lacks logic... No one, other than you, would believe that a contract awarded in 1998 would be used to justify a massive rebuilding of a country ivaded and occupied almost 5 years later... Call any contract lawyer and ask them... No, dangit, not yer wingnut brother-in-law who graduated in the bottom 1/4th of his correspondance law school...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Halliburton owns the U.S. government
From: Peace
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 06:24 AM

Guess not on second look. That's probably why I can't figure out how old I am.

Halliburton may own some of the US government, but if todays voting is anything to go by, they don't yet own the American people.


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Subject: RE: BS: Halliburton owns the U.S. government
From: Peace
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 06:14 AM

Depends when in 1998 the contract was signed.

1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002


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Subject: RE: BS: Halliburton owns the U.S. government
From: Teribus
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 02:34 AM

Eh, Bobert Frame Agreement Contracts are set to cover works, services and support that may be required during the period of that contract. So a contract with a duration of five years signed in 1998 would cover any work required in 2003.


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Subject: RE: BS: Halliburton owns the U.S. government
From: Old Guy
Date: 07 Nov 06 - 09:28 PM

Dick Cheney Ties

...In recent years the company has become the center of several controversies involving the 2003 Iraq War and the company's ties to U.S. Vice President Dick Cheney. Cheney retired from the company during the 2000 U.S. presidential election campaign with a severance package worth $34 million. As of 2004, he had received $398,548 in deferred compensation from Halliburton while Vice President.[4] Cheney also retains unexercised stock options at Halliburton, which have been valued at nearly $8 million.

Concerns have been raised regarding the possible conflict of interest resulting from Cheney's deferred compensation and stock options from Halliburton. However, before entering office in 2001, Cheney bought an insurance policy that guaranteed a fixed amount of deferred payments from Halliburton each year for five years so that the payments would not depend on the company's fortunes. He is legally bound by an agreement he signed which turns over power of attorney to a trust administrator to sell the options at some future time and to give the after-tax profits to three charities. The agreement specifies that 40% will go to the University of Wyoming (in Cheney's home state), 40% will go to George Washington University's medical faculty to be used for tax-exempt charitable purposes, and 20% will go to Capital Partners for Education. The agreement states that it is "irrevocable and may not be terminated, waived or amended," preventing Cheney from taking back the options at a later date....


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Subject: RE: BS: Halliburton owns the U.S. government
From: Old Guy
Date: 07 Nov 06 - 09:26 PM

Bobert plays the old "one standard for you and no standard for me" Ancient History Card.

Check around a little Bobert and tell us who reinvented government and started outsourcing things to Halliburton.


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Subject: RE: BS: Halliburton owns the U.S. government
From: Bobert
Date: 07 Nov 06 - 08:41 PM

Ancient history, Oldster...

How about emailin' ol' Al and see what he says today...

Heck, my hair was still dark in '96...


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Subject: RE: BS: Halliburton owns the U.S. government
From: Old Guy
Date: 07 Nov 06 - 08:27 PM

"Vice President Al Gore's National Performance Review mentioned Halliburton's performance in its Report on Reinventing the Department of Defense, issued in September 1996. In a section titled "Outsourcing of Logistics Allows Combat Troops to Stick to Basics," Gore's reinventing-government team favorably mentioned LOGCAP, the cost-plus-award system, and Brown & Root, which the report said provided "basic life support services-food, water, sanitation, shelter, and laundry; and the full realm of logistics services- transportation, electrical, hazardous materials collection and disposal, fuel delivery, airfield and seaport operations, and road maintenance."

Exerpted from http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1282/is_13_55/ai_104538161/pg_3


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Subject: RE: BS: Halliburton owns the U.S. government
From: Bobert
Date: 07 Nov 06 - 07:55 PM

Don't try to confuse T-Bird with more facts, brucie... He's allready well over his head and the poor boy is now arguing with himself...

But ya' kinda have to give him credit... He has no fear of takin' up arguing losin' causes... That's shows courage 'er....

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Halliburton owns the U.S. government
From: Peace
Date: 07 Nov 06 - 01:45 PM

They are corrupt bastards. Period.


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Subject: RE: BS: Halliburton owns the U.S. government
From: Bobert
Date: 07 Nov 06 - 01:37 PM

That's my point, T-bird... Like you have just said, "They are not the same thing at all."

Given that we both agree on this much then why do you think that a contract with Halliburton signed in '98 or '99 for "A, B & C" jsutified givin' Halliburton a no-bid contract to perform "D, E & F" in Iraq some 4 years after the "A, B & C" contract had gone into effect???

There's somethin' lackin' here in your logic, ol pal... Seems no matter how you argue your psoition it doesn't work... Kinda a square peg and round hole thing for ya no matter how many times ya play it out...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Halliburton owns the U.S. government
From: Teribus
Date: 07 Nov 06 - 04:56 AM

Bobert, you are trying to compare oranges to apples, you are comparing a contract for specific services for a specific time frame to a Frame Agreement Contract covering a multitude of services over a period of years. They are not the same thing at all.


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Subject: RE: BS: Halliburton owns the U.S. government
From: John on the Sunset Coast
Date: 06 Nov 06 - 10:38 PM

Gosh, if Halliburton owns the US, I should buy their stock so I can own the US too. Now when I own the US....


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Subject: RE: BS: Halliburton owns the U.S. government
From: Bobert
Date: 06 Nov 06 - 08:53 AM

No, T, I know more than I want to know about contracts and, more specificly, procuements... I worked for my brother's firm during and after the Kuwait war negotiating contracts for all kinds of tenders that the Kuwaitis put out for "bid"... And I we won our fair share... These tenders are *very* specific...

It takes a real leap of imagination that Halliburton would be contratced to perform "Service Package B" in '98 or '99 for reconstrction services for a war that wasn't even on the radar screen...

If that is your position, it is about as weak as the ones you were makin' during Bush's mad-dash-to-Iraq(mire)...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Halliburton owns the U.S. government
From: Old Guy
Date: 06 Nov 06 - 07:16 AM

Who invented LOGCAPs?

Exerpted from http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg19n3b.html :

Five months after the 1994 election, President Clinton launched an ambitious project to deliver on his campaign promise to “radically change the way government operatesâ€"to shift from top down bureaucracy to entrepreneurial government.” Vice President Gore, who was given the task of “creating a government that works better and costs less,” quickly assembled a team of career government executives and outside management consultants and embarked on the National Performance Review (NPR). By September 1993 they delivered the blueprint that was to serve as the Clinton administration's reform agenda (REGO I). The reinvention, which was meant to evolve over time, was itself reinvented in the wake of the Republican victory in the 1994 congressional elections. Chastened by the electorate, President Clinton proclaimed that he had received the voters' message “loud and clear” and proceeded to launch Phase II of reinvention (REGO II). The contrast between the two reform agendas could not be more striking and the change in course, including the reshaping of the coalition to promote REGO II, is a testament to the adaptability of the Clinton administration.
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Subject: RE: BS: Halliburton owns the U.S. government
From: Teribus
Date: 06 Nov 06 - 05:52 AM

100 up!

Bobert - 05 Nov 06 - 09:49 AM

"Come on T-zer... Do you rerally expect anyone to believe your story here??? I mean, do you really expect that a contract for "Services Package A" awarded to Halliburton in 1998 was all encompassing for "Services Package B" that would be required to meet the needs of a war and an occupation??? If so then one would have to assume that in 1998 someone in military procurments would have had to not only know that George Bush would be elected some 2 years later but decide to invade and occupy Iraq a couple years after that...

That, my friend, is a major stretch of imagination..."

You obviously know little about contracts and contracting at the level required. The Frame Agreement Contract won competitively by Halliburton in 1998 was for the Pentagon in support of US Armed Forces on a world-wide basis, i.e. it covered anything that was required/could be required so your "Services Package A" and "Services Package B" arguement does not wash. The Frame Agreement Contract lasts for a fixed period and covers all eventualities for services, where these cannot be defined or quantified specific rates are set according to circumstance.


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Subject: RE: BS: Halliburton owns the U.S. government
From: Slag
Date: 05 Nov 06 - 09:17 PM

hmmmm. Maybe that's why the economy is doing so well.


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Subject: RE: BS: Halliburton owns the U.S. government
From: Bobert
Date: 05 Nov 06 - 09:12 PM

Exactly, Donuel... This is the way it is done while it still can be done...

This kinda reminds me of Enron when they went weeks ordering folks to shread documents... This is why Bush ahs classified more document in 6 years then were classified in in total from George Washington to the end of Clinton's administration...

These crook are runnin' scared as well they should be and they are going to use the next 2 years to sandbag, classify and obstruct to kepp the American peopl;e from finding out just what a bunch a crooks they really are but the American people have allready figured it out... Yeah, evn the ones who are in denial deep down inside know it...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Halliburton owns the U.S. government
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Nov 06 - 08:21 PM

Not to worry.

Last week a secret bill (called an earmark) was sneaked into a larger bill that permanently fired the accounting officer whose job was to oversee the money going to Halliburton and other corporations in which the military outsources much of their "good work"

No more oversight/accounting = No more problems with scandalous theft.


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Subject: RE: BS: Halliburton owns the U.S. government
From: Bobert
Date: 05 Nov 06 - 09:49 AM

Danged, T, I must have been asleep at the wheel... I had forgotten that it was Clinton, and not Bush, who decided to invade Iraq and occupy it in 1998...

Not!!!

Come on T-zer... Do you rerally expect anyone to believe your story here??? I mean, do you really expect that a contract for "Services Package A" awarded to Halliburton in 1998 was all encompassing for "Services Package B" that would be required to meet the needs of a war and an occupation??? If so then one would have to assume that in 1998 someone in military procurments would have had to not only know that George Bush would be elected some 2 years later but decide to invade and occupy Iraq a couple years after that...

That, my friend, is a major stretch of imagination...

Plus, given the fact that a sitting Vice President was still recieving compensation from his former company, Halliburton, at the time when Halliburton was contracted makes this entire affair smellier than a box of of fishheads...

So, inspite of the Teribus world view, there will come a time when these no-bid contracts that were awarded to Halliburton will get a peek and if the Dems should prevail this Tuesday it could be sooner than later depending on just which of the Bush administartion scandals the Dems elect to bring out from under Bush's carpet...

But before you say "There you go again, Bobert, with yer factless predictions" keep in mind that over the past 5 years my predictions on Iraq have been purdy much on the $$$...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Halliburton owns the U.S. government
From: Teribus
Date: 05 Nov 06 - 02:28 AM

Bobert's post of 04 Nov 06 - 09:05 AM, is probably about as near as I will get to an acknowledgement from him that I have never mentioned anything about Halliburton and the purchase of trailers.

But rather than just admit his error, Ol' Bob tries to spin it. It does serve to illustrate that Bobert will "invent" facts, and attribute totally false statements to discredit those he is attempting to argue with.

On some of the red-herrings he threw up in the Bobert post referred to, I would direct "Good Ol' Selective Bobert's" attention to the years 1997 and 1998 (Minimum two years before your favourite bete-noir entered office). Invitations to Tender, on a competitive basis were sent out for a US Government (Pentagon) Frame Agreement Contract covering engineering and support engineering work and services with regard to the US Forces world-wide. The period of the Frame Agreement Contract was five years. Frame Agreement Contracts are very common and tend to be a very efficient way of getting jobs done. Halliburton won that competitive contract.

OK Bobert do the maths - five year frame agreement contract awarded on a competitive basis to Halliburton in 1998, Coalition troops enter Iraq in March 2003, against the threat by Sadam that he would do as he did before and set the oilfields ablaze, who is your contractor with regard to repair of oilfield infrastructure. 1998 + 5 = 2003, Frame Agreement Contract awarded on a competitive basis still in place, therefore contractor is Halliburton. Quite simple Bobert.


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Subject: RE: BS: Halliburton owns the U.S. government
From: Bobert
Date: 04 Nov 06 - 09:05 AM

Okay, T-zer, what is it then that you would like to ***proclaim*** that Hallinurton is the only company in the world can do and thusly should be awarded no-bid contracts???

Puttin' out oil fire???

Building clinics???

Repairing electical facilities???

Fixing bridges???

Cooking???

If I am not mistaken you were a strong defender of the no-bid contracts in the period after the invasion, weren't you???

If not, then pardon me...

Bobert


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