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BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???

GUEST,heric 16 May 06 - 03:25 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: GUEST,heric
Date: 16 May 06 - 03:25 PM

Leopold says Rove's mouthpieces are liars.

href="http://www.opednews.com/articles/genera_rob_kall_060515_jason_leopold_update.htm">"opednews.com"


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: GUEST,G
Date: 16 May 06 - 02:46 PM

Not getting nervous, I am very confident - keeping in mind I am not totally satisfied with the way everything is being conducted. Your comment is simply wishful thinking on your part.

Any further information on the source "not being a ....Blog" and how are you doing with corrections that need to be made in the Dictionaries?


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: heric
Date: 16 May 06 - 12:59 AM

(When I posted that I wasn't even thinking about Repub v. Democrat. I was only thinking about new media v. corporate media. Truthout obviously has a following, and yet they gave that Leopold guy a loaded pen and set him loose, entirely unsupervised.)


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: Teribus
Date: 16 May 06 - 12:57 AM

Now according to the Truthout source the indictment was served on Rove and he was supposedly given 24 hours to put his affairs in order last Saturday, which means if what Truthout reported was correct Rove would have been arrested on Monday.

The mnsbc link that GUEST,heric supplied and quoted in part, in the post of 15 May 06 - 06:02 PM, goes on to state:

"Strange then that a relaxed-looking Rove – not indicted, not out on bail, and wearing a business suit, not orange prison garb -- was in person at the right-wing think tank, American Enterprise Institute Monday morning."

From the WSJ Online (3 hours ago):

"But there is no evidence the Bush adviser was indicted last week. His lawyer says it is plain wrong. Mr. Fitzgerald hasn't commented, and he is expected in coming weeks to make a decision about whether to charge Mr. Rove for perjury or related wrongdoing in the matter."

Very true observations from the same article:

"Politics, and the arguments it stirs, lends itself to the Internet. Bloggers have the latitude to issue one-sided analysis that makes leaps to connect the dots in ways that more-guarded news organizations couldn't."

"...bloggers can focus on one story like the leak probe, scrutinizing each new tidbit -- whether innuendo or fact -- and speculating about how it fits in with information already known."

"Mainstream news organizations say bloggers can say something is going to happen every day for months and then claim to be ahead of the pack when it does -- or forget about it when it doesn't."


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: CarolC
Date: 15 May 06 - 09:47 PM

I notice the article mentions the word "Democrat" a couple of times, but I don't know why they or you, G, are assuming the people in attendance at that dinner were Democrats. There were probably quite a few Republicans there as well and even people with no party affiliation. That just looks like an attempt to smear Democrats on the part of MSNBC.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: Ebbie
Date: 15 May 06 - 09:43 PM

http://www.truthout.com/index.htm

Read that and decide for yourself.

G, you gettin' nervous? Your heroes falling into the drek? Fear not. They love it there.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: GUEST,G
Date: 15 May 06 - 09:20 PM

Another announcement - the Earth IS flat!

The Dems will cheer at anything, hoping that it is true, as they have no plan of their own.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: Charley Noble
Date: 15 May 06 - 08:11 PM

Karl's indictment day will come.

Cheney's scribbles on the New York Times Op Ed story by Wilson were show this evening on CNN. The scribbles were not particularly obscene, as I've been hoping, but did imply that Wilson's wife may have been responsible for sending him out on a "junket" to Niger. Still looks like a smoking gun to me. It's not clear at this point who turned over the original New York Times with the scribbles, whether it was Cheney's office staff or Libby or some other angel.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: GUEST,heric
Date: 15 May 06 - 06:02 PM

and more than that:

"At a Michigan Trial Lawyers' Association dinner Saturday night in Dearborn, Mich., the group's vice president Robert Raitt announced — according to the Detroit Free Press — that President Bush's longtime strategist had just been indicted. The announcement reportedly prompted a standing ovation by the crowd of 700, which included Sen. Hillary Clinton."
msnbc


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: GUEST,heric
Date: 15 May 06 - 06:00 PM


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: GUEST,G
Date: 15 May 06 - 03:06 PM

Ebbie, if Truthout is not a Blog, then what is it?

And you should also get the various Dictionaries corrected.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: GUEST,heric
Date: 15 May 06 - 01:46 PM

Bloggers on the right are going for blood. Leaving that alone, take a look at what Howard Kurtz wrote about Jason Leopold in the Washington Post in 2005(yes, March, 2005).


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: CarolC
Date: 15 May 06 - 01:00 PM

Apparently, Chris Matthews has also been making some predictions about this as well, although he has been a bit less definite in his predictions than Truthout. It's possible that Fitzgerald is trying to squeeze more out of Rove, and this is a part of that effort.

Time will tell, I guess.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: Ebbie
Date: 15 May 06 - 01:00 PM

" Within the last week, Karl Rove told President Bush and Chief of Staff Joshua Bolten, as well as a few other high level administration officials, that he will be indicted in the CIA leak case and will immediately resign his White House job when the special counsel publicly announces the charges against him, according to sources.

" Details of Rove's discussions with the president and Bolten have spread through the corridors of the White House where low-level staffers and senior officials were trying to determine how the indictment would impact an administration that has been mired in a number of high-profile political scandals for nearly a year, said a half-dozen White House aides and two senior officials who work at the Republican National Committee.

"Speaking on condition of anonymity, sources confirmed Rove's indictment is imminent. These individuals requested anonymity saying they were not authorized to speak publicly about Rove's situation. A spokesman in the White House press office said they would not comment on "wildly speculative rumors."

" Rove's attorney, Robert Luskin, did not return a call for comment Friday."

I agree- if it isn't true there will be some red faces


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: Amos
Date: 15 May 06 - 09:59 AM

SOmebody's going to be very pissed at their "high level sources" if this turns out to have been a mistake, a joke, or an intentional deception.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: heric
Date: 15 May 06 - 12:05 AM

Not even Donuel's going with the story. Truthout's going to get some jokes about its name, looks like.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: heric
Date: 15 May 06 - 12:00 AM

sorry, that's from http://www.qando.net/details.aspx?Entry=3870


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: heric
Date: 14 May 06 - 11:57 PM

most peculiar.
Here is what Carl Rove's attorney told a reporter for the National Review:

Q: Did Patrick Fitzgerald come to Patton Boggs for 15 hours Friday?
A: No.
Q: Did he come to Patton Boggs for any period of time Friday?
A: No.
Q: Did he meet anywhere else with Karl Rove's representatives?
Q: No.
Q: Did he communicate in any way with Karl Rove's representatives?
A: No.
Q: Did he inform Rove or Rove's representatives that Rove had been indicted?
A: No.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: CarolC
Date: 14 May 06 - 11:37 PM

Dam'n, don't you think by now the NYT and Post would have done something?

No, I don't. They only publish what they consider to be in their interests to publish. The fact of their not publishing something is in no way an indication that it didn't happen or isn't true. They don't cover important stuff all the time.

I guess we'll know, eventually, whether or not this story is true or false. But if it's true, I'm going to enjoy it when you come back here to admit you were wrong. You will do that, right?


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: Amos
Date: 14 May 06 - 11:37 PM

Excerpt from Ebbies "scoop" link above:

"Saturday 13 May 2006

    Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald spent more than half a day Friday at the offices of Patton Boggs, the law firm representing Karl Rove.

    During the course of that meeting, Fitzgerald served attorneys for former Deputy White House Chief of Staff Karl Rove with an indictment charging the embattled White House official with perjury and lying to investigators related to his role in the CIA leak case, and instructed one of the attorneys to tell Rove that he has 24 business hours to get his affairs in order, high level sources with direct knowledge of the meeting said Saturday morning.

    Robert Luskin, Rove's attorney, did not return a call for comment. Sources said Fitzgerald was in Washington, DC, Friday and met with Luskin for about 15 hours to go over the charges against Rove, which include perjury and lying to investigators about how and when Rove discovered that Valerie Plame Wilson was a covert CIA operative and whether he shared that information with reporters, sources with direct knowledge of the meeting said.

    It was still unknown Saturday whether Fitzgerald charged Rove with a more serious obstruction of justice charge. Sources close to the case said Friday that it appeared very likely that an obstruction charge against Rove would be included with charges of perjury and lying to investigators...."


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: Bobert
Date: 14 May 06 - 11:11 PM

Oh, geeze....

I haven't heard that the big fat lair is going to be indicted but, hey, he is a big fat liar...


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: Ebbie
Date: 14 May 06 - 09:58 PM

First of all, G, Truthout is NOT a Blog.

It may or may not be true- anyone want to bet?


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: GUEST,G
Date: 14 May 06 - 06:32 PM

Good Grief!!!!!!!!

First of all, the NY Times and the Post have more WH insiders than Ebbie's source has total personnel.

Plus, notice I left the 't' out the word Pulitzer' - 't' standing for "truth" in this situation.

Dam'n, don't you think by now the NYT and Post would have done something? No one ever said that Blogs have to print the truth.
And, they rarely do - it is all about entertainment.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: CarolC
Date: 14 May 06 - 02:08 PM

Ebbie, both you and Truthout deserve a Pulizer for scooping both the NY Times AND the Washington Post.

It's not so difficult to do, really (regardless of whether or not this one proves to be true).


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: GUEST,G
Date: 14 May 06 - 12:53 PM

Ebbie, both you and Truthout deserve a Pulizer for scooping both the NY Times AND the Washington Post.

Blogs ARE better, eh? Well, at least consistent.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: Charley Noble
Date: 14 May 06 - 10:07 AM

The reports in my home paper today indicate that the prosecutor has filed a copy of Wilson's op-ed piece with Cheney's hand-written comments on it, circles and obscene doddles. Do we have a "smoking gun?"

It seems likely to me that Mr. Libby turned the newspaper article over to the prosecutor as part of his defence that he was only "following orders." But you'll probably read about that tomorrow.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: dianavan
Date: 13 May 06 - 11:42 PM

Karl Rove will probably be indicted but Bush will pardon him.

Seems that Cheney may in a little hot water himself. Investigators are still looking at his contempt for Wilson and the possibility that it was Cheney that outed Valerie Plame.

We all know, of course, that they will be pardoned.

They will never do jail time because they have to teach their proteges how to engage in dirty tricks. For every name that goes under, a new name emerges.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: CarolC
Date: 13 May 06 - 10:50 PM

Is this really true?

Somebody pinch me... I think I'm dreaming.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: Charley Noble
Date: 13 May 06 - 09:59 PM

I am so shocked!

But I'll get over it if he's sentenced for 20 years or so of hard labor, in some Eastern European country without central heating.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: Ebbie
Date: 13 May 06 - 09:49 PM

Hmmmm. Interesting development with unknown consequence. Since Rove has been moved back into the political arm of the administration in preparation for the upcoming elections this fall, it is hard to believe that dubya wouldn't have a plan ready to go for a day like this. However, W has not yet shown any signs of seeing beyond the tip of his nose so who knows?

Karl Rove Indicted

    "During the course of that meeting, Fitzgerald served attorneys for former Deputy White House Chief of Staff Karl Rove with an indictment charging the embattled White House official with perjury and lying to investigators related to his role in the CIA leak case, and instructed one of the attorneys to tell Rove that he has 24 hours to get his affairs in order, high level sources with direct knowledge of the meeting said Saturday morning.
    "Robert Luskin, Rove's attorney, did not return a call for comment. Sources said Fitzgerald was in Washington, DC, Friday and met with Luskin for about 15 hours to go over the charges against Rove, which include perjury and lying to investigators about how and when Rove discovered that Valerie Plame Wilson was a covert CIA operative and whether he shared that information with reporters, sources with direct knowledge of the meeting said.

    "It was still unknown Saturday whether Fitzgerald charged Rove with a more serious obstruction of justice charge. Sources close to the case said Friday that it appeared very likely that an obstruction charge against Rove would be included with charges of perjury and lying to investigators."



Whither Now


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Apr 06 - 07:43 AM

The above post by Raggytash is the most truthful one of this thread.

July 20th, 05 "Bush is gone"?????????????


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: Raggytash
Date: 27 Apr 06 - 05:53 AM

don't know 300


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: number 6
Date: 26 Apr 06 - 11:22 PM

Yes he is a great big fat liar ... and there is nothing you can do about it. :)

sIx


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: Bobert
Date: 26 Apr 06 - 11:20 PM

Hmmmmmm???

A 5th time to testify to the Grand Jury???

The noose is tightenin'....


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: GUEST,petr
Date: 16 Nov 05 - 03:26 PM

oh, if only lies left semen stains.

the Bush Administrations lies are coming around to bite them in the ass.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: CarolC
Date: 16 Nov 05 - 03:13 PM

Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: beardedbruce
Date: 16 Nov 05 - 02:06 PM

"Has anyone bothered to isolate the facts around this slander? Or are we just beating drums and dancing around the campfire here?"


a quote, from Amos


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Nov 05 - 12:07 PM

Desdemona, is this a recent news flash? I had not heard of the treason charge.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: Desdemona
Date: 16 Nov 05 - 11:48 AM

I dunno if this was mentioned anywhere above, but my favourite nickname for Mr Rove is "Tubby McTreason"!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: GUEST,A
Date: 16 Nov 05 - 08:11 AM

I am not questioning if the "story is verifiable", particulary since I have not seen it yet so don't get so defensive.
I might, however, be skeptical with regard to it being factual.

The three papers you mention do have a great deal of influence when it comes to "liberal" thinking people. Personally, I read both sides and try to draw a somewhat fair conclusion. You might attempt to do the same thing sometime.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: Bobert
Date: 16 Nov 05 - 07:40 AM

I ain't talkin' their editorial pages, you knothead. I'm talking their news departments. And I think you'll find that if you throw in the LA Times, which you also probably think is liberal what you have is the 3 newspapers that have a great deal of influence over the the other newspapers accross the country in setting the bar as to how and what national and international news gets reported....

So not to fear, A, this story is all highly verifiable... Maybe you should be going back to my actual case and start doing a little homework of yer own...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: GUEST,A
Date: 16 Nov 05 - 06:58 AM

No change from here.

By the way, the NY Times and the Washington Post are not middle of the road - your previous post with regard to your sources explained a lot about you. TV? you have denigrate it a lot and yet you stil regard it as one of your three sources for information.

Even more enlightenment.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: Bobert
Date: 15 Nov 05 - 09:21 PM

Yeah, my graanie tolt me the same thing... That's why I been ignorin' yer ignorant idiot self lately but guess what??? When I ask these folks the same questions I asked you they will clearly see that I have put together one danged difficult siutation for the Bush administartion to fihgt its way out of...

That's why you went AWOL... Ain't got one danged thing in the friggin' world about me other than I yer butt chackmated and so now I get this crap that you don't wnata debatean idiot???? Haha...

We'll see who is the "idiot"...

You better start doing yer research... I have done mine and have over 100 pages of stuff I've printed up on Katrina... And guess what??? Not one is froma leftie blog... Not one... All is purdy much public information and can be found thru Google...

The probkle with you, GUEST A, isi that either you are falt lazy 'er you can't find some right winged blog that has been financed by some right winged rich guy to defend your posotions...

Like I said, I have the done the hard work and I'm gonna loay it out either tomorrow night or Thusday night and then it wil "Time top Rumble"... Maybe you oughtta spend some time trying to find some right winged blog to defend you 'cause when I bring my stuff, yer gonna need help 'er yer going under...

No brag, just fact...

You know the basics so better spend a little less time grandsatnding and little more time doing what I have done: hit the books, pal...

Like I said, no brag, just fact...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: GUEST,A
Date: 15 Nov 05 - 08:47 PM

Bobert just can't get it.

Bobert, you don't want the truth, you can't understand the truth!

I did not go AWOL - I simply realized what my Grandmother once told me - Never argue with an idiot, someone may walk by and not be able to tell the difference.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: Bobert
Date: 15 Nov 05 - 08:18 PM

Ahhhh, fir the record, I have never been to move.on or any other leftie site... I get my stuff from the W=Post, the NY-Times and the TV... Yeah, I'll Google now and then but what you get from me is what I have gleaned from those source... Just gotta stay purdy much off the front pages... There's were the goodies are hidden...

And, not to worry, T, I done up a bunch of homework on Katrina and I think it's gonn have you scratchin' yer head an' shuffelin' fir a rebuttal... Lookin' forward to it...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: GUEST,Old Guy
Date: 15 Nov 05 - 07:30 AM

I will be refreshing to see what the Ol Wes Ginny slide rule says about the corruption in NO. The Government there is a total clusterfuck and the hurricane literally blew them away.

I will cut and paste pertinant text from other sites as I see fit and I invite others to do the same. If he URL is there one can go to the site and determine if it is an evil corporate site or a truthful Moveon.org or George Soros supported site. Scott ritter is one of Boberts truth tellers so Al jazzera is not off limits in the quest for the truth.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: Teribus
Date: 14 Nov 05 - 09:56 AM

Bobert - 13 Nov 05 - 09:53 PM

"Tell ya what, Old Guy, I'll be satrtin' anew Katrina threa in a couple days .... So be prepared to do yer own homework... I have..."

Well that would be a welcome departure from Bobert's Standard Operating Procedure - I wouldn't hold your breath OG, after the summation of all Boberts research, West-Ginny Slide Rule calcs and what he's heard as bein' the Word on the Street, has been blasted to bits by the more rational and reasoning minds on this forum, he will revert to type and commence on personal attack and incomprehensible ranting.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: Bobert
Date: 13 Nov 05 - 09:53 PM

Tell ya what, Old Guy, I'll be satrtin' anew Katrina threa in a couple days and I think you will be surprised about a lot of stuff that ain;t been reported...

It's too much fir this evenin' and I'll be outta town fir the next cvouple day so look fir it maybe Wedneday night...

On another thread I challnged GUEST A with a little of it and GUEST A went GUEST A-WOL... Couldn't come up with no answers but you can bet this one is gonna lead right to Bush's feet...

Bear wid me, Old Guy... And no cut'n run rebuttals.... So be prepared to do yer own homework... I have...

Okay???

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: GUEST,Old Guy
Date: 13 Nov 05 - 01:04 AM

I ain't defending Bush but he did not create the intelligence mess we have. He inherited it.

He did not want a department of Homeland Security but the Dems wanted it so he gave in. Then the dems wanted FEMA to be in DHS. Bush did not want the but he gave in to the Dems again.

Now every shortcoming is his fault like he created it. Damned if he does and damned if he don't.

The only thing I see he did wrong with FEMA is appoint a totally imcompetent asshole to run it.

If you watch a certain National Geographic Channel documentary on Katrina, they reveal that Nagin, Blanco and Bush met on his plane in N.O. on Friday of the great disaster week. Bush asked the Gov if she wanted the Feds to take over the National Guard. She said no or not yet or something to the effect that the fed could not take it over.

"Normally, the Guard is under the control of the state governor, but the Feds can take over�if the governor asks them to. Nagin suggested that Lt. Gen. Russel Honore, the Pentagon's on-scene commander, be put in charge. According to Senator Vitter, Bush turned to Governor Blanco and said, "Well, what do you think of that, Governor?" Blanco told Bush, "I'd rather talk to you about that privately." To which Nagin responded, "Well, why don't you do that now?"
The meeting broke up. Bush and Blanco disappeared to talk. More than a week later, there was still no agreement. Blanco didn't want to give up her authority, and Bush didn't press."


Now where is Bush's screw up in that affair? Maybe he should have knocked her in the head or arrested her for stupidity and taken over right then.

Also I know from people that live on NO that the entire local government down there is corrupt. You have to make payoffs to open and operate any kind of business there. I heard a tale of one couple that wanted to open a Curves there and refused to make the payoffs. They lost their ass cause they never were able to open.

Now I hear that the levees that broke did not go as deep as specified. It is suspected that the contractor was allowed make payoffs and shortcut the specs.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: pdq
Date: 12 Nov 05 - 10:57 PM

Great post, guest.

Please take a name and stick around for a while. Mudcat needs more people with common sense.

BTW, I did a compete restoration of an 1888 Victorian, although it was quite small as such buildings go. I helped dig the foundation footing, helped dig a basement, stripped the roof (12 layers in one place!), etc. Every piece of molding had to be re-created with special blades, cut to match pieces of the original molding.

So congratulations on your accomplishment. However, one is enough. Maybe a "frame-off restoration" of a can. Hope so.


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