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BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???

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Subject: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: Bobert
Date: 11 Jul 05 - 09:20 PM

Well, well, well...

After months and months of Karl Rove and his attorney workin' on getting the story straight according to today's Washington Post article entitled "Rove Told Reporter About Plame Buit Didn't Name Her, Attorney Says", ahhhhh, Karl Rove told Matthew Cooper of Time magazine about Plame but' Didn't name her??????

Hmmmmmmm?

Like how does one actually go about talkin' with someone without namin' them???

If this is the best that Karl "Fat Assed Liar" Rove and his attorney, Robert Luskin can come up with after months of plannin' Rove's defense then I'm real disappopinted in how my tax dollars are being spent...

If I'm gonna be lied to, I DEMAND MORE BELIEVABLE LIES, gol dangit....

I mean, hey, this batch of croopks have always been able to come up with top shelf lies and no this????

Very disappointin', indeed....

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: beardedbruce
Date: 11 Jul 05 - 09:28 PM

The e-mails surrendered by Time Inc., which are largely between Cooper and his editors, show that one of Cooper's sources was White House deputy chief of staff Karl Rove, according to two lawyers who asked not to be identified because they are representing witnesses sympathetic to the White House. Cooper and a Time spokeswoman declined to comment. But in an interview with NEWSWEEK, Rove's lawyer, Robert Luskin, confirmed that Rove had been interviewed by Cooper for the article. It is unclear, however, what passed between Cooper and Rove.

The controversy began three days before the Time piece appeared, when columnist Robert Novak, writing about Wilson's trip, reported that Wilson had been sent at the suggestion of his wife, who was identified by name as a CIA operative. The leak to Novak, apparently intended to discredit Wilson's mission, caused a furor when it turned out that Plame was an undercover agent. It is a crime to knowingly reveal the identity of an undercover CIA official. A special prosecutor was appointed and began subpoenaing reporters to find the source of the leak.

Novak appears to have made some kind of arrangement with the special prosecutor, and other journalists who reported on the Plame story have talked to prosecutors with the permission of their sources. Cooper agreed to discuss his contact with Lewis (Scooter) Libby, Vice President Dick Cheney's top aide, after Libby gave him permission to do so. But Cooper drew the line when special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald asked about other sources.

Initially, Fitzgerald's focus was on Novak's sourcing, since Novak was the first to out Plame. But according to Luskin, Rove's lawyer, Rove spoke to Cooper three or four days before Novak's column appeared. Luskin told NEWSWEEK that Rove "never knowingly disclosed classified information" and that "he did not tell any reporter that Valerie Plame worked for the CIA." Luskin declined, however, to discuss any other details. He did say that Rove himself had testified before the grand jury "two or three times" and signed a waiver authorizing reporters to testify about their conversations with him. "He has answered every question that has been put to him about his conversations with Cooper and anybody else," Luskin said. But one of the two lawyers representing a witness sympathetic to the White House told NEWSWEEK that there was growing "concern" in the White House that the prosecutor is interested in Rove. Fitzgerald declined to comment.




IF Rove is accused of a crime, he should be prosecuted. If he is guilty, he should be punished. He should be held to the same standards that anyone else would be: And if he is found innocent, Bobert should get off his back.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: michaelr
Date: 11 Jul 05 - 09:32 PM

Rove only had to say "Joe Wilson's wife" -- that's not namingher, now is it?

But to the question that titles this thread I retort, scathingly:
IS THE POPE CATHOLIC?

Cheers,
Michael


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: michaelr
Date: 11 Jul 05 - 09:36 PM

BTW, I'm no fan of Judith Miller's -- quite the opposite -- but it's obvious that she's been set up to take the fall (SHE never wrote about the story) while Novak, whose head is the one that should roll, appears to be getting off the hook.

A sordid business.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: Bobert
Date: 11 Jul 05 - 10:24 PM

Me neither, michaelr... Judith Miller, during the run up to war in Iraq, made it known that one Scott Ritter, former arms inspector in Iraq and voacl opponent of attackin Iraq, would be treated like he was carryin' uranium in his pockets...

She did as much in gettin' the US into this quagmire in Iraq as Bush becuase it was her falg waving that set the tone for the rest of the nespapers accross America which look to the NY Times and Wsahington Post, which also rolled over, fir their direction...

And, yeah, sayin' that Joe Wilson's wife was a CIA operative ain't exactly like sayin' Val Plame was a CIA agent but, either way, hey, Rove fingered her... And he's not denyin' identifying her as Joe Wilson's wife... Don't take a rocket surgeon to figgure this one out....

But this ain't about who gets convicted.... Think O.J. and Michale Jackson here... Might be Karl Rove's name added to that list... Important people don't get convicted and if so, an appeals court *fixes* everyhting...

Rove "the Crokk of all crooks" will walk... Just like O.J. walked...

Problem with Rove walkin' is that rather than spend his days playin' golf like O.J., he'll be runnin' the country.....

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: Alba
Date: 11 Jul 05 - 10:28 PM

I thought it was a trick question Bobert..:>)

Just drop the "is" and the "???" from the Thread title and there you have it.
Snarl Rove, a Big Fat Liar.

Jude


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: Charley Noble
Date: 11 Jul 05 - 10:47 PM

Bobert-

I really think you're being too hard on Karl Rove. Wouldn't it be sufficient that he simplely hang from a branch, dangled in the breeze for a couple of weeks, with maybe a crow or two riding shotgun on his shoulder plucking out his eyes? Hell's probably full to the brim now or frozen over, and I doubt that any advance reservations have really been made or acknowledged. I doubt if they accept credit cards anyway.

Have a nice day!

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: Bobert
Date: 11 Jul 05 - 10:48 PM

LOL, Jude.... I love the "Snarl"... I hadn't read it anywhere else... Is that *yer* original? If so, brilliant!!!....

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: Bobert
Date: 11 Jul 05 - 10:53 PM

Yer right, Charlie!!!!

(oh the frieght...)

Heck, maybe Hell is full... Hmmmmmm.... Need a backup plan....

Danged....

Ahhhhh, I'm workin' on it, dangit...

Sho nuff am so get loff my case... I din't roll Val Plame unnerthe bus... I'm doin' the best I can... Ain't like I gotta a lot of markers to call in in Hell... Me and Satan ain't been on good terms of late... But I'z workin' on it...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: harpgirl
Date: 11 Jul 05 - 11:09 PM

what would anyone expect from a bunch of sociopaths?


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 11 Jul 05 - 11:37 PM

...and the bottom line ladies and gentlemen is that we Americans can bitch and complain about this administration and it's policies and it's members but the responsibility for success or failure of this country to live up to it's ideals falls on the shoulders of the
electorate; who, time and time again, year in and year out - fail to come to the plate. We ignore reality, buy into pseudo-patriotic bullshit slogans, DO NOT do our political homework, tear into issues of no substance that are designed to be misleading - and end up electing another set of assholes that are just as bad as the ones we are getting rid of. We do this at the local, the state and the national level - every stinking year, while we sit on our bar stools,
down another pint and shout about how great this American country is.
I am a veteran and I'm sick and tired of calling this shit that we have here a democracy - it is not a democracy any more, rather, it is a corporatocracy - government run for, by and about big business and those connected to it. Hey, next round's on me, and while we're drinkin' you can sit and tell me why this Iraq invasion is so important for securing America's freedom; oh, and you can also tell me why (if that is so) you are not in military uniform - patriot.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: Amos
Date: 12 Jul 05 - 09:28 AM

To some on the left, Rove is the epitome of all they despise about the administration. He is Bush's brain, pulling the strings from behind the scenes, injecting politics into every conceivable decision. Rove further infuriated his critics a couple of weeks ago when he seemed to use the 9/11 tragedy to score political points, saying Republicans wanted to wage war and liberals wanted to offer the terrorists therapy.

Add the fact that this controversy is about the runup to the Iraq war and an apparent White House effort to discredit a prominent Bush critic, Joe Wilson, and you have an incendiary mixture. (It was Wilson, Valerie Plame's husband, who once declared that "fun to see Karl Rove frog-marched out of the White House in handcuffs.") And this dovetails nicely with the conviction that the press did a lousy job on WMD before the war and has been too soft on Karl & Co. ever since.

There are two issues here, it seems to me. Legally, what Rove said to Matt Cooper on "double super secret background" (according to this Mike Isikoff piece) may or may not have violated the law against identifying intelligence agents. There are questions about whether Rove knew that Plame was undercover, whether he was "knowingly" outing her, and so forth.

But politically, this is a bombshell. Rove, who has insisted he did not leak Plame's name, had something to do with this effort, even if he didn't "name" her. ( The defense: It all depends on the meaning of the word "leak?") He was attempting to undercut Wilson when he told Cooper that wifey had helped set up Wilson's fact-finding trip to Niger (where Wilson didn't find the facts the administration wanted on Saddam seeking uranium) and that the uranium business could still be true (it wasn't). And didn't the White House promise to fire anyone involved in the leak?

What does Rove do now? Give a couple of interviews and explain his role? Or remain in the background while his lawyer issues carefully parsed statements?

The newspapers all jump on the White House in stonewall mode, beginning with the New York Times :

"Nearly two years after stating that any administration official found to have been involved in leaking the name of an undercover C.I.A. officer would be fired, and assuring that Karl Rove and other senior aides to President Bush had nothing to do with the disclosure, the White House refused on Monday to answer any questions about new evidence of Mr. Rove's role in the matter.

"With the White House silent, Democrats rushed in, demanding that the administration provide a full account of any involvement by Mr. Rove, one of the president's closest advisers, turning up the political heat in the case and leaving some Republicans worried about the possible effects on Mr. Bush's second-term agenda. Senator Harry Reid of Nevada, the Democratic leader, cited Mr. Bush's statements about firing anyone involved in the leak and said, 'I trust they will follow through on this pledge.'. . . .

"In two contentious news briefings, the White House press secretary, Scott McClellan, would not directly address any of a barrage of questions about Mr. Rove's involvement."

"Reporters at Monday's question-and-answer session at the White House peppered spokesman Scott McClellan with 41 questions in 35 minutes," says USA Today .

Chicago Tribune : "Sensing vulnerability on the part of a formidable political adversary, Democrats on Monday urged hearings into the conduct of presidential adviser Karl Rove and demanded his security clearance be revoked as the White House grew close-mouthed about allegations that Rove played a role in revealing a CIA employee's identity."

WP columnist Dana Milbank captures the tone:


"'This is ridiculous!'

"'You're in a bad spot here, Scott.'

"'Have you consulted a personal attorney?'

"The 32-minute pummeling was perhaps the worst McClellan received since he got the job two years ago. His eyes were red and tired. He wiggled his foot nervously behind the lectern and robotically refused to answer no fewer than 35 questions about Rove and the outing of the CIA's Valerie Plame. Twenty-two times McClellan repeated that an 'ongoing' investigation prevented him from explaining the gap between his past statements and the facts."

The Wall Street Journal notes: "In an email message to supporters, Mr. Bush's defeated 2004 election rival, Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts, wrote: 'It's perfectly clear that Rove -- the person at the center of the slash-and-burn, smear-and-divide tactics that have come to characterize the Bush administration -- has to go.'"

Here are some of the anti-Rove posts:

Slate's Tim Noah : "Inside the Bush administration, lying to reporters doesn't even come close to being a firing offense, so neither Rove nor Scott McClellan, who first called the accusation that Rove exposed Plame "totally ridiculous" and then flat-out said "it is simply not true," need fear for his job on that score. But Rove blew the cover of an undercover CIA official. If Dubya doesn't fire the man he nicknamed "Turd Blossom" for this offense, he's an even bigger hack than I think."

Blanton's and Ashton's

"Way to go Karl. Only in a Bush administration could you still be working at the White House instead of scrubbing toilets in prison. . . .

"Rove is attempting to wiggle away from criminal charges based on a literal interpretation of the law and a lot of weaselly little garbage. For instance, he is making sure to let everyone know he didn't 'name' Valerie Plame. No, he didn't. He just referred to Ambassador Joe Wilson's wife. So he didn't 'name' her, he merely identified her, but not by name, so be careful you don't say that he 'named' her. Dear Karl, do you actually feel good about yourself when you have to rely on that kind of maneuvering to look innocent?"


(Just an excerpt from the heat being aimed, with all justification, at Rove's ugly little head).

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: GUEST,maire-aine
Date: 12 Jul 05 - 12:30 PM

I had a chance to watch "Bush's Brain" over the weekend. It's available on DVD now. How appropriate! KR has finally over-stepped, and hopefully he'll face the consequences.

M


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Jul 05 - 12:43 PM

Intimidating people to lie for you or simply coerce them to tell the lies you want them to tell is Rove's specialty.

Working for a family with long standing CIA ties makes this a rather easy job. What ever dirt you want, you can get.
Threatening the well being of a wife or girlfriend is one of the first things even the FBI will do to extort co operation. Its standard operating procedure.

That Rove is caught in a web by a law first proposed By W's father is the height of irony. That he will get off by saying "I didn't know" is very Reaganesque.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Jul 05 - 12:50 PM

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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: Alba
Date: 12 Jul 05 - 01:45 PM

Bobert ma Dear, Ive been calling Rove, Snarl since I watched the film the marie-aine mentioned "Bush's Brain"...what a piece of work this guy is...iky..yuk

LOL

Love to You and P Vine
Jude


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: dianavan
Date: 12 Jul 05 - 03:33 PM

Bush will protect Karl Rove because he is the 'brains' behind this administration. I don't think this is the first time he has been caught in a dirty tricks scandal.

Guardian Unlimited:

"Last year, however, Rove's taste for personal politics entangled him in an extraordinary spy scandal. He is reported to have made calls to Washington journalists last July identifying a CIA undercover agent, Valerie Plame, who was married to Joseph Wilson, a former ambassador who had called into question the administration's claims about Iraq's alleged nuclear programme. Rove allegedly told the journalists that Plame was "fair game" because her husband had gone public with his criticism."

Karl Rove thinks its O.K. to endanger the life of the wife because you don't like the husband. WHAT KIND OF PERSON THINKS LIKE THAT?


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: Charley Noble
Date: 12 Jul 05 - 04:40 PM

"Karl Rove thinks its O.K. to endanger the life of the wife because you don't like the husband. WHAT KIND OF PERSON THINKS LIKE THAT?"

A very dangerous one to have as an enemy.

Rove will probably resign soon, to help take the heat off Bush and to ensure his future employment at some conservastive thunk tank.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: jpk
Date: 12 Jul 05 - 04:47 PM

most anyone could have told you she worked for the farm[cia]before any of this secret info was leaked;ain't it fun telling secrets to people that should be aware of the[sic]secret,before there told(i'm telling mommy,go ahead i told her yesterday.)   makin dang mountains outa mole hills again


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: Metchosin
Date: 12 Jul 05 - 04:56 PM

Oh....you knew she worked for the CIA before this was leaked? Well I guess that would be reasonable. In other words, any person with half a brain, knows that any American who has a job or posting outside of the US is a CIA spy. Seems feasible to me.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: CarolC
Date: 12 Jul 05 - 05:00 PM

If most everybody knew it already, jpk, then what was the point of "leaking" the information? If he leaked it, he must have known it would do some damage, otherwise there would be no incentive to leak.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: Alba
Date: 12 Jul 05 - 05:09 PM

I didn't know she worked for the CIA?? Why was I not told before this leak!


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: Frankham
Date: 12 Jul 05 - 09:26 PM

Karl Rove is worse than a liar. He has a criminal mind. He deliberately outed Valerie Plame to push his power and to punish Wilson for blowing the whistle on Bush's African Uranium scam . Rove is the Republican "Godfather".

Bush will not fire Rove though. Rove has the goods on Bush (like J. Edgar on his "friends") and if Rove decides he can open the Pandora's Box on Bush's former bouts with alcohol and narcotics, and affairs. Bush's frat boy past will be opened up and Rove will cut the strings of his puppet. Bush will make Clinton look like a choirboy.

Frank


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: Bobert
Date: 12 Jul 05 - 09:34 PM

Ahhhhh, jpk, are you on drugs 'er what???? Like maybe you'd like to come out with some eveidence to back up yer pathetic Bush/Rove apologistic statement...

Yeah, where's the beef....

I mean if you got the goods there are a lot of media folks who want to talk with you.... Like TONIGHT!!!

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: GUEST,Songster Bob
Date: 12 Jul 05 - 11:17 PM

One point about Rove's treason is that, by exposing that Wilson's wife was a CIA operative, her front organization was also exposed, endangering anyone who may have visited it (it was a company, I forget what kind of service -- oil or foreign investments or some such). So any visitor, legit or spying for us, would be supposed by his/her neighborhood baddies, to be a spy, and bingo, another kidnapping or back-alley mugging. When you deal with these mid-Eaast folks, you are in dangerous areas just because you deal with Americans, so if that American is outed as a CIA front, you are in deep doo-doo.

Another point, in a lighter vein. When Triumph, the Insult Dog, was introduced to Karl Rove, he said, "You're the one they call 'Bush's Brain?' I expected someone smaller!"

Bob


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: Charley Noble
Date: 13 Jul 05 - 08:27 AM

It's a "witch hunt" according to the National Republican Party chairman. Of course he does not clarify which witch is which, or even concede that a crime may have been committed.

I wonder what would happen if someone throw a bucket of water over Mr. Rove. Would he disappear in a puff of smoke, leaving behind only his brown hushpuppies?

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: GUEST,Uncle DaveO
Date: 13 Jul 05 - 10:28 AM

"Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???"

I know that! Doesn't everybody know that?

Dave Oesterreich


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: saulgoldie
Date: 13 Jul 05 - 01:21 PM

Well, apparently he was telling the truth about Plame. As for the rest of his utterings...


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: Don Firth
Date: 13 Jul 05 - 02:08 PM

In Renaissance Italy, assassination was a fairly standard political tool. A dagger in the back in a dark hallway, a few drops of poison in the wine, and a political problem is solved. With Karl Rove, the aim is the same, but instead of endangering himself by committing or ordering actual murder, he uses character assassination to accomplish his ends. A word here, a rumor there. . . .

The spirit of Niccolò Machiavelli lurks in the hallways of Washington, D. C.   And Karl Rove is the reincarnation of Cesare Borgia.

But Borgia's Renaissance incarnation was better looking.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: GUEST,Uncle DaveO
Date: 13 Jul 05 - 04:55 PM

Questioned about Rove in connection with the Plame thing, Bush says, "I have great faith and confidence in Karl Rove."

Of course! Rove did just what Bush wanted, just like he always does his dirtywork, so why wouldn't he have faith and confidence in him?

Dave Oesterreich


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: jpk
Date: 13 Jul 05 - 05:02 PM

you know not what you say;if you would sit back and watch,you would see that both sides play the same games at different times,depending on who is supposidly in power.while those really pulling the strings sit back and laugh[just ask those like marc rich and his 'gang of thugs'(while clutching his clinton pardon)face it,they are all lacking in ethics,morels,and any other redeaming quilties [may be an exception somewhere]
other than it not being a secret,most state dept employies are in the pocket of the farm.works the same for a lot of for.embasses in the us as well[there spies,not ours]nothing new,just newer clothes.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: GUEST,The Phantom of the Uproar
Date: 13 Jul 05 - 06:02 PM

I'm new here, jpk, but I figure you've got to be either a Republican or a cynic.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: CarolC
Date: 13 Jul 05 - 06:05 PM

I bet he's a libertarian.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: Bobert
Date: 13 Jul 05 - 06:15 PM

Well, well, well...

Looks like the the Bushites have come up with a new and improved strategy... Blame the Dems fir being trouble-makers??? And keep the blame coming loud and often until Bush nominates a Supreme Court justice which will take the heat off Rove...

The only good thing to come out of all the various and sundry scandlas in the Bush administration is that the Repubs have had to quit barkin' the "personal responisibily" mantra since they are completely unwilling to take responsibily fir their own crimes and misdemeanors...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: Amos
Date: 13 Jul 05 - 07:18 PM

YEah, but that's always been true and they haven't stopped yapping since they first smelled blood...I mean power...have they?

Buncha dog-biscuit-brained meatheads.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: GUEST,petr
Date: 13 Jul 05 - 08:12 PM

the "Turdblossom" bush's nickname for KR is beginning to stink
and its about time..

of course he didnt ever say the name he said it was Wilsons wife.
He was of course talking about Mrs Wilson, Dennis the Menaces neighbour
p


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: GUEST,Peter Woodruff
Date: 13 Jul 05 - 08:55 PM

There is no doubt.

Peter


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: Bill D
Date: 13 Jul 05 - 09:20 PM

I hope you can see this Tom Toles cartoon (Washington Post site)

if not, try this a Yahoo site for same one


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: Bobert
Date: 13 Jul 05 - 09:36 PM

I saw it, Bill... What a hoot this is becomin'... I predicted right here in Mudville almost 2 years ago that Rove had done this but never in my wildest imagination would I ever have thought that the Bushites wouldn't be able to handle the scandal.... They've been so good at keeping the rest of the crap unner the rug...

But, hey, even the Republican owned media had to admit tonight on MSNBC, who fired Phil Donohue fir not toein' the line in the Bush un up to war in Iraq, that Bush ain't too popular with the American people... One of the questions related to the truth factor and now more Americans don't belive Bush than do... This does not bode well fir either the Bushites or America as he tries to dismantle as much of the New Deal that he can while he can....

But I'm gonna go on record of predictin' another 9-11 event in just over a year becuase the Repubs will be in desperate need for one and if they are goina stand any chance of holding the White House, after this dismal 8 years of theivery and lies, they can't do it without another 9/11... Keep in mind that the week before 9/11 Bush had the lowest approval rating of any president since such polls have been taken....

So that's my prediction... Sad... but I'm sticken by it...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: Bill D
Date: 13 Jul 05 - 09:45 PM

I'd really hate it if you were right, Bobert. I don't care for Bush at all, but I don't want to believe that his group would plan, incite or condone any 9/11 type event for any reason. There are plenty of reasons to say "that's enough" at the next elections...and if all these indications about Rove prove true, that will be one more nail in the conservative coffin.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: dianavan
Date: 13 Jul 05 - 09:45 PM

Turdblossom - One who makes sure that your shit smells sweet.

Without Rove, Bush is in big trouble. He won't have anyone to cover his crap.

Because it involves journalism, lets hope the media keeps this story alive.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: Bobert
Date: 13 Jul 05 - 09:51 PM

Nah, I ain't hopin' fir another 9/11, Bill, but given the Bushite's casual dismissal of the wranings of the Clinton adminstration, plus their lack of intellegent policies followin' 9?11, America is ripe fir the picken'... And the bad guys like Bush becuase whereas he isn't too good at unitin' the American people, he's purdy danged good at unitin' the bad guys....

They love him!!!

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: CarolC
Date: 13 Jul 05 - 09:52 PM

Even if he gets fired, that doesn't mean that he won't still be pulling W's strings. He can still do the job... he just won't be getting paid for it out of any of the budgets that are not secret.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: Alba
Date: 13 Jul 05 - 10:01 PM

Oh no Carol say that ain't true:>)
I wanted to be able to say that "The Presidents Brain is missing" once Snarl has gone....!

Even if he's given the Boot you can be sure GWB will keep this nasty piece of work close. GWB needs Snarl Rove a lot more then Snarl Rove needs him.
Jude


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: GUEST,Rovegate
Date: 14 Jul 05 - 06:50 AM

Truth or Consequences:

"ROVEGATE -- July 10, 2005 --Newsweek magazine is reporting on the contents of a July 11, 2003 email between reporter Matt Cooper and Time Washington bureau chief Michael Duffy that was handed over, along with other email and notes, to special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald. Although the email shows that Rove talked to Cooper about Ambassador Joe Wilson's wife, there is no mention of how columnist Robert Novak obtained the information on Brewster Jennings & Associates, the carve out brass plate firm that was used by Valerie Plame and her colleagues and which was rolled up as a result of the leak. Rove and his lawyer are trying to limit the spin to Rove "not knowing" Plame's name, let alone that she was a covert CIA agent. Yet Plame's association with a non-official cover (NOC), by default, means that she was covert, pure and simple. Brewster Jennings reportedly "suffered greatly" as a result of the disclosure, according to a knowledgeable source. Another source reported that at least one Brewster Jennings NOC operating in a hostile intelligence environment was executed by counter-intelligence agents as a result of the White House disclosure. Other B&JA assets were forced to abandon their ongoing operations to identify networks involved in weapons of mass destruction proliferation. The CIA has been working on a damage assessment report on the Plame/B&JA disclosures. If no indictments of White House officials result from the Fitzgerald investigation, look for parts of that highly classified report to be leaked and then look for more imprisonments of journalists who refuse to divulge the source(s) of those leaks. Word from intelligence sources is that the damage assessment report is "devastating." "

by Flint on Wed Jul 13th, 2005

Read more HERE


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: Wolfgang
Date: 14 Jul 05 - 12:01 PM

He'll has to go.

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: Amos
Date: 14 Jul 05 - 12:04 PM

source reported that at least one Brewster Jennings NOC operating in a hostile intelligence environment was executed by counter-intelligence agents as a result of the White House disclosure. Other B&JA assets were forced to abandon their ongoing operations to identify networks involved in weapons of mass destruction proliferation. The CIA has been working on a damage assessment report on the Plame/B&JA disclosures. If no indictments of White House officials result from the Fitzgerald investigation, look for parts of that highly classified report to be leaked and then look for more imprisonments of journalists who refuse to divulge the source(s) of those leaks. Word from intelligence sources is that the damage assessment report is "devastating." "


This makes it murder, not the first by far, but a lot clearer than the generalized responsibility for promoting war, as Rove has done from the beginning. He has been a war-monger ever since he first launched his precious but stupid candidate.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: GUEST,petr
Date: 14 Jul 05 - 08:23 PM

of course the big lie is not whether Rove outed the CIA agent to discredit Wilson, but the big lie of wmds that the country went to war.
The WHite HOuse is desperately trying to turn the issue to something else- ie. the reporters being upset since one of their own is in jail.
Or hoping that the public will find it all too complicated and talk about Tom Cruise instead.

Its good to see some backbone by the journalists now.
Bet there will be a supreme court nominee soon to take the media spotlight off this issue.

(I think its quite possible there may be some terrorist event in the US
- it is impossible to protect everyone everywhere -
My wife and I were at the fiddle TUnes festival in Port Townsend Washignton - and had no news all last week , so we didnt know about the London Bombing until were on the ferry across puget sound sunday, it was strange to see a coast guard gunboat accompany the ferry all the way)
however a terror strike in the US would not necessarily gain support for Bush's cause - it might in fact backfire, since clearly the strategy is not working. The fact that the British bombers were British born, indicates that Iraq has increased recruitment for Al Qaeda.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: CarolC
Date: 14 Jul 05 - 11:38 PM

Remember when W first got elected and his supporters were waxing rhapsodic about how "now we're going to have some grownups in the
White House"?



hmmmm....


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: Sorcha
Date: 15 Jul 05 - 10:16 AM

How can you tell if a politican is lying?



The lips are moving.....


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