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BS: Galloway tears them to shreds

dianavan 22 May 05 - 11:42 PM
GUEST 22 May 05 - 08:14 PM
McGrath of Harlow 22 May 05 - 07:32 PM
dianavan 22 May 05 - 07:06 PM
George Papavgeris 22 May 05 - 05:41 PM
dianavan 22 May 05 - 05:03 PM
Peace 22 May 05 - 04:27 PM
dianavan 22 May 05 - 04:23 PM
Nigel Parsons 22 May 05 - 04:21 PM
Peace 22 May 05 - 04:07 PM
RobbieWilson 22 May 05 - 03:39 PM
Peace 22 May 05 - 03:24 PM
McGrath of Harlow 22 May 05 - 03:24 PM
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ard mhacha 21 May 05 - 04:18 PM
Peace 21 May 05 - 01:57 PM
dianavan 21 May 05 - 01:34 PM
GUEST,McGrath of Harlow 21 May 05 - 07:22 AM
ard mhacha 21 May 05 - 05:36 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Galloway tears them to shreds
From: dianavan
Date: 22 May 05 - 11:42 PM

I finally got to hear the famous orator and I must say he stands up well under pressure, which begs the questions: Why has the senate taken on the task of investigating the Oil For Food program? Could it be to cover up their own underhanded dealings? Does the U.S. senate have any right to investigate citizens of other countries? Did the U.N. or Iraq ask them to do this on their behalf? I know they think they are the cops of the world but do they think they are the judges of the world, too? ...and that schmarmy Democrat had the nerve to say that Galloway was not credible.

Why does anyone think that the Oil For Food program wouldn't be corruptable? When the U.S. was informed of the Texan, Bayoil scam, why didn't they do something at that time? If it had been 'nipped in the bud', others may not have been so quick to jump on the bandwagon. Food distribution is always a matter of greasing the palms of many.

I really don't understand the focus on the Oil For Food program. What is the point? The program was about ending sanctions and feeding Iraqis wasn't it? Are Iraqis being fed now? The answer is that the rate of starvation has increased. I ask again - what is the point of this inquiry?

If Halliburton and Bayoil are called to testify, I might believe it is something more than a witch hunt. Until then, it looks like a re-run of the McCarthy hearings.

Give 'em hell, Galloway! They deserve it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Galloway tears them to shreds
From: GUEST
Date: 22 May 05 - 08:14 PM

Here is a link to what the Times calls the "Transcript of Statement made by George Galloway".
Text is a bit odd looking, at least on my PC, but it's all there.
The Link


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Subject: RE: BS: Galloway tears them to shreds
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 22 May 05 - 07:32 PM

Did you try the BBC link I gave? Here it is again.

(The page has two video links, one for the whol;e of Galloway's appearance, the other just edited highlights. (But not edited New York Times style to remove the bits that struck home most effectively.)


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Subject: RE: BS: Galloway tears them to shreds
From: dianavan
Date: 22 May 05 - 07:06 PM

Thanks, I think that is the problem.

Now I just have to figure out how to solve it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Galloway tears them to shreds
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 22 May 05 - 05:41 PM

I had no problem accessing it dianavan, including GG's evidence. It's a 3-hour streaming video, perhaps the buffer settings on your machine are not sufficient.


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Subject: RE: BS: Galloway tears them to shreds
From: dianavan
Date: 22 May 05 - 05:03 PM

O.K. whats going on?

I can't open the link the link to the video provided by Robbie Wilson.

I can't open the link to the video through any other web page.

I managed to start the video but then there appeared to be a problem just before George was beginning to speak. A screen appeared telling me there was a problem that could not be fixed.

Is this coincidental? Is there something wrong with my computer?


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Subject: RE: BS: Galloway tears them to shreds
From: Peace
Date: 22 May 05 - 04:27 PM

However, the transcript of the hearing is PART of the record. So, sooner or later it will have to appear in writing I would think.


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Subject: RE: BS: Galloway tears them to shreds
From: dianavan
Date: 22 May 05 - 04:23 PM

It says that Mr. Galloway did not submit a statement. Maybe that means it was up to him to make sure it was on record. Perhaps he was supposed to that in advance of the hearing. Maybe he didn't want to give them any warning. Fair play.


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Subject: RE: BS: Galloway tears them to shreds
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 22 May 05 - 04:21 PM

Mindblasted:

Yes, there may have been some level of electoral fraud during the elections. But who is calling for an enquiry, with evidence to give as well? George Galloway

If he was involved in electoral fraud this time he's got a damn sight more cheek than I would give him credit for

Nigel


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Subject: RE: BS: Galloway tears them to shreds
From: Peace
Date: 22 May 05 - 04:07 PM

http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:BxB5aEhYCdAJ:hsgac.senate.gov/index.cfm%3FFuseaction%3DHearings.Detail%26HearingID%3D232+us+s


Yes. I keep wondering if his oral statement will eventually be transcribed and 'put on the record', and if when it is how many changes will have taken place--little editing here, little change there.


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Subject: RE: BS: Galloway tears them to shreds
From: RobbieWilson
Date: 22 May 05 - 03:39 PM

committee home page

I found the senate committee site and what it says is that Galloway did not make a statement, however there is a link to the testimony so far and it includes Galloway's. hearings video

I haven't had time to read all of this but I did read the Berkowitz testimony and the scale of US oil companies' subversion of the embargo and the US Govt/ Military connivance with this is just astounding

Berkowitz


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Subject: RE: BS: Galloway tears them to shreds
From: Peace
Date: 22 May 05 - 03:24 PM

I will get you one, Robbie. It's on another thread. BRB.


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Subject: RE: BS: Galloway tears them to shreds
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 22 May 05 - 03:24 PM

Fair's fair though - it wasn't just the Senate that tried to keep the lid on it - I gather papers including the New York Times cut out the hairy stuff, such as the comment about how Rumsfeld had met Saddam as often as Galloway, but for rather more nefarious reasons. And that is apparently what is counted as "the liberal media" in the USA, and denounced as too left wing!

Anyway, here is an interesting piece by a journalist from Scotland who acompanied his mate Galloway on his trip to confront his Senate accusers - a good example of what we used to call "participant journalism" - "When the Respect party leader took on the Senate, one man was by his side to experience the showdown first-hand" Great reading too.


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Subject: RE: BS: Galloway tears them to shreds
From: RobbieWilson
Date: 22 May 05 - 02:53 PM

I read above about the senate committe removing GG testimony from it's web site but I don't see a link to that site. Can anyone post one here.

I am interested to know whether they pursued the issues in folkieDaves post earlier.


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Subject: RE: BS: Galloway tears them to shreds
From: ard mhacha
Date: 21 May 05 - 04:18 PM

Fair play to you Brucie, keep on slugging.


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Subject: RE: BS: Galloway tears them to shreds
From: Peace
Date: 21 May 05 - 01:57 PM

"Brucie, you know I only post the truth, my name is not Coleman, Blair, Bush,etc,etc. It was on vnunet.com."

I know that, ard. The expression I used is one that here means "I believe you but I can't believe it." Never doubted you for a sec. I actually started another thread based on your info and posted seven times in a row as I found more stuff to add.


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Subject: RE: BS: Galloway tears them to shreds
From: dianavan
Date: 21 May 05 - 01:34 PM

George Galloway, "Have a look at the real Oil-for-Food scandal. Have a look at the 14 months you were in charge of Baghdad, the first 14 months when $8.8 billion of Iraq's wealth went missing on your watch. Have a look at Halliburton and other American corporations that stole not only Iraq's money, but the money of the American taxpayer."

I wonder when we will see Halliburton brought before the Senate for questioning?

BTW - Whenever MG logs off, mindblaster logs on. Do not respond! He hates being ignored.


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Subject: RE: BS: Galloway tears them to shreds
From: GUEST,McGrath of Harlow
Date: 21 May 05 - 07:22 AM

I suppose since the commmittee had already published their "report" without bothering to contact George Galloway, and only two members turned up to see him, they might argue that technically it wasn't a quorate session, and therefore the report of it didn't merit inclusion in the offical record. Regardless of which I suspect that this particular session will be the only one people will ever remember or quote.
...............

Here is what the Financial Times website had to report on press reaction in the UK:

Gallows humour

George Galloway, the maverick independent British MP, has turned from villain to hero overnight in his home country's riotous press after his savaging of US senators.

"Gorgeous" George was once pilloried for his combination of champagne lifestyle and hard-left political views, and his association with Saddam Hussein.

But the Brits love an underdog, and his savaging of lawmakers who accused him of profiting from the UN's oil-for-food programme has catapulted him up the popularity charts.

"George Spanks Yanks" shrieked the Daily Record, the popular paper of choice in Galloway's native Scotland. The Daily Mirror compared him to a Daniel who went into the den and ended up mauling the lion.

Even the staunchly rightwing Daily Telegraph, which had to pay him libel damages after accusing him of treason, glowed about his fighting performance.

Rupert Murdoch's Sun said the senators "failed to land a single blow" and its New York sister paper, the Post, proclaimed: "Brit fries senators in oil".


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Subject: RE: BS: Galloway tears them to shreds
From: ard mhacha
Date: 21 May 05 - 05:36 AM

Brucie, you know I only post the truth, my name is not Coleman, Blair, Bush,etc,etc. It was on vnunet.com.


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Subject: RE: BS: Galloway tears them to shreds
From: Peace
Date: 20 May 05 - 08:14 PM

Anyone ever had Scotch mints?


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Subject: RE: BS: Galloway tears them to shreds
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 20 May 05 - 07:54 PM

mindbluster...


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Subject: RE: BS: Galloway tears them to shreds
From: Alba
Date: 20 May 05 - 07:46 PM

LOL Brucie...

Ill need to wake myself up one morning at 3.00am and tape myself...:>)
Jude


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Subject: RE: BS: Galloway tears them to shreds
From: Peace
Date: 20 May 05 - 07:23 PM

However, I did hear that if ya wake a Scotsman up at 3:00 AM he talks just like a Canadian.


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Subject: RE: BS: Galloway tears them to shreds
From: mindblaster
Date: 20 May 05 - 07:22 PM

Speak ENGLISH you queer scotch cunt!


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Subject: RE: BS: Galloway tears them to shreds
From: GUEST
Date: 20 May 05 - 07:19 PM

while you aren't a bigoted or anything...geez a break pal!
Away ye go an huv yer heid examined ya haufwit..mindblaster my arse..
mindlessblaster is mair like it.

I was never a Jock at School they dinnae call good athelics that in Scotland and we didnae huv american fitba iether...we huv real fitba (playing without the body armor) ..but aye ye kin take the Scot out o Scotland but ye cannae take Scotland oot the Scot...again..bite me


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Subject: RE: BS: Galloway tears them to shreds
From: mindblaster
Date: 20 May 05 - 06:54 PM

I didn't say it. It was in the national press yesterday!

It seems this website is becoming infected witk know-it-all jock/scotch crossdressing tight fisted porridge quaffers!

Evil race of bastards.


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Subject: RE: BS: Galloway tears them to shreds
From: Peace
Date: 20 May 05 - 06:52 PM

Galloway Senate testimony PDF goes AWOL
Evidence 'missing' from Committee website

Iain Thomson, vnunet.com 20 May 2005
ADVERTISEMENT
The website for the Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Government Affairs has removed testimony from UK MP George Galloway from its website.

All other witness testimonies for the hearings on the Oil for Food scandal are available on the Committee's website in PDF form. But Galloway's testimony is the only document not on the site.

"I have met Saddam Hussein exactly the same number of times as Donald Rumsfeld met him," Galloway told the Committee.

"The difference is that Donald Rumsfeld met him to sell him guns and to give him maps the better to target those guns."

Press representatives for the Committee had no comment.


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Subject: RE: BS: Galloway tears them to shreds
From: Peace
Date: 20 May 05 - 06:26 PM

Ard, are you shittin' me?


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Subject: RE: BS: Galloway tears them to shreds
From: Folkiedave
Date: 20 May 05 - 04:13 PM

It may be that lots of George's supporters voted twice and it may be that they didn't.

One thing is for certain - if you can't prove it - or know someone who can - then you shouldn't say it.

And once again I wouldn't libel or slander George - he has become reasonably well off by sueing people who do.

Any comment on this one mindblaster?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/05/16/AR2005051601369.html


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Subject: RE: BS: Galloway tears them to shreds
From: ard mhacha
Date: 20 May 05 - 03:43 PM

The website for the Senate Committee has removed George Galloway`s testimony from it`s Site.
All of the other tetimonies on the Oil for Food programme are there, Galloway`s is the only testimony not on the Site.


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Subject: RE: BS: Galloway tears them to shreds
From: Peace
Date: 20 May 05 - 01:49 PM

"Apparantly there were lots of his supporters who voted twice."

Well, I should hope SO! They don't have Dieblod there, yet.


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Subject: RE: BS: Galloway tears them to shreds
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 20 May 05 - 09:43 AM

The issue here Mindblaster is not whether GG is a crook or not. Let the one without sin cast the first stone etc etc. Perhaps he is (a crook), and perhaps he isn't. And if he is, he may one day get his comeuppance or he may not, the same as hundreds of other crooks in the political world.

What we are celebrating here however is his balls in calling out the US Government for the crooks THEY are.

Whether one is a Scot, or a "not a jock" like you, whether one voted for this party or that, we can still all rejoice at the courage of the little guy shouting that the Emperor is naked.

Unless of course you think that the Emperor is not naked. But if so, THAT's what you should be saying, rather than calling GG a crook; the latter is immaterial, it has no relevance, it's diversionary tactics.


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Subject: RE: BS: Galloway tears them to shreds
From: GUEST
Date: 20 May 05 - 09:21 AM

"in your arrogant scotch way"
I don't think drinking Whisky played any part in John's post.

" in your arrogant SCOTTISH way" is the correct slaganolgy I think?

If your going to slag a whole nation at least be literate enough to know what to say when you do...

As for arrogance.."The man is a crook history will prove me right"

Aye off ye go...ya eegit and get yer heid examined.

signed...... One of the many Scots on this Forum... so bite me


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Subject: RE: BS: Galloway tears them to shreds
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 20 May 05 - 07:23 AM

Mindblaster..   Is that an name or an oxymoron?
G..


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Subject: RE: BS: Galloway tears them to shreds
From: mindblaster
Date: 20 May 05 - 05:26 AM

I am certainly not a jock! You obviously are, as you seem to presume, in your arrogant scotch way, that your view is the right one and inflict it on the rest of the world, The man is a crook history will prove me right.


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Subject: RE: BS: Galloway tears them to shreds
From: RobbieWilson
Date: 20 May 05 - 05:21 AM

Still at least there is no chance of anyone pulling the wool over your eyes, eh mindblaster, the blinkers would get in the way. Keep yoooooour eye on the ball; the crime here is an illegal invasion of a country against the will of the United Nations, leading to the death of over 100,000 people. The coniving is the constant spread of lies and misinformation and the exertion of extreme political pressure to make members of parliament toe the line and vote for war against the clearly expressed wishes of their constituents and the wool pulling is carried out by those who told us we were going to war for our own protection; because Saddam had nuclear weapons he could launch in 45 minutes, because he was behind the 9/11 bombings. The same people who tell us that opponents of the war are in the pocket of Saddam and when this is proved a lie in court go behind the imunity of the senate and bring out the same lies again.

As for your other intended insults; I don't suppose Galloway minds being labelled clever or Scottish, presumably you are neither of these yourself.


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Subject: RE: BS: Galloway tears them to shreds
From: mindblaster
Date: 20 May 05 - 04:57 AM

The man is a clever conniving egotistical, scotch criminal, pulling the wool over all your eyes. There is now an inquiry into his election as MP. Apparantly there were lots of his supporters who voted twice.


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Subject: RE: BS: Galloway tears them to shreds
From: dianavan
Date: 20 May 05 - 12:11 AM

Americans should be embarrassed! It took a Scotto call a spade a spade! The Democrats just sit around picking their noses while Galloway walks in and gives them an earful. Good on him, I say. What American has that kind of backbone? I sure haven't seen any evidence of that.

I especially liked, 'The biggest sanctions busters were American companies "with the connivance" of the US Government, he argued. \'

And the U.S. has the audacity to point fingers at Kofi Annan and Galloway! Before they go accusing others on the basis of heresay, they should start investigating their own! There's plenty of proof of that.

Give em shit, Galloway!


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Subject: RE: BS: Galloway tears them to shreds
From: Peace
Date: 19 May 05 - 09:52 PM

I think Galloway made those members of the Senate subcommittee look like sleazy bottom feeders. They don't have the balls to go after the big boys, so they take names off a list. Reminds me of Jack Lemmon making circles on Fifth Avenue (NY) saying, "I have your names. I have all your names."

Is the Senate so emasculated that they fear the Executive and are afraid to call him to account?

"No balls at all
No balls at all,
A fourteen inch penis and
NO BALLS AT ALL."

Question: are Americans embarrassed?


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Subject: RE: BS: Galloway tears them to shreds
From: Folkiedave
Date: 19 May 05 - 05:26 PM

I reckon if I had been wrongly accused as he was - not once with forged documents or twice with forged documents or three times with the same documents that had already been proved forgeries (at least the Daily Telegraph admitted they were not true documents) then I would have been a damned sight angrier than George appeared to be.

Personally I wished I could have put on a performance like that - sincere or otherwise - but I know I couldn't have.

Best regards,

Dave


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Subject: RE: BS: Galloway tears them to shreds
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 19 May 05 - 08:47 AM

My point wasn't about whether he was particularly sincere in his anger, but that he demonstrated how it is possible to do anger without spluttering and shouting and so forth.

I suppose that might be a reflection of his not actually being angry at all, under it all. But often enough people who are putting on an act about being angry feel the necessity to put on the spluttering and shouting as part of the act. Sometimes even more so than people who are sincere.

I imagine George Galloway was no more and no less sincere in his anger than most other politicians dealing with issues of life and death.

"Sincerity is the key. If you can do sincerity, you've got it made". George Burns.


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Subject: RE: BS: Galloway tears them to shreds
From: Pied Piper
Date: 19 May 05 - 08:47 AM

Nice to see the Weasel-worded Mchiavellian hypocrits of the US government being shown as the evil bastards they are.

"Save the world shoot a Neo-con"

PP


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Subject: RE: BS: Galloway tears them to shreds
From: akenaton
Date: 19 May 05 - 08:34 AM

Cynical??    Moi!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Galloway tears them to shreds
From: greg stephens
Date: 19 May 05 - 07:40 AM

McGrath: you were impressed with the way George Galloway was angry without losing his rag. Well, I think you're being gullible there;though it might equally well be that I'm being cynical. But I dont believe he was angry at all, I felt the whole thing was a calculated and slick performance by a very clever manipulator. He was using pseudo-agression and skilful arguing to divert attention from what he wanted to conceal. Impressive, certainly, and it obviously worked with a lot of commentators.


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Subject: RE: BS: Galloway tears them to shreds
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 19 May 05 - 06:54 AM

Poor Phoebe
G


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Subject: RE: BS: Galloway tears them to shreds
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 19 May 05 - 06:06 AM

I had the great fortune to be the artist liason when Saffron Walden festival had Roy and Tony as guests. Mr Benn (or Sir Anthony Wedgewood Benn as some of us remember him) is a most interesting and thoughtful person, he was the epitome of good manners and a true Gentleman. He's also the best socialist I know.

The man knows more about British history and politics than most people and could tell most folks a thing or two. He was the main mover in getting a plaque put up in a broom cupboard in the Houses of Parliament to the memory of Suffragette Emily Davies - she spent the night of the 1891 (or 1901?) census there, just so she could put 'Houses of Parliament' on the Census return under 'address' and be the first woman in Parliament! She later went on to win fame (or notoriety) by throwing herself under the King's horse and dying of her injuries, all for the cause of Women's Suffrage.

LTS




And he's the only politician who has ever kissed my baby.


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Subject: RE: BS: Galloway tears them to shreds
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 19 May 05 - 05:43 AM

Not Tony Benn please not the boring Benn!!

I rather doubt if many people who have seen the Roy Bailey/Tony Benn double act will agree with that.
...................

I suspect that the quality about Galloway's performance that really struck home was the way that he was able to be forceful and angry without at any time losing his rag. If he'd cursed and sworn it would have completely undermined the effect. I can think of a few people, some around the Mudcat, who might learn a lesson from that.


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Subject: RE: BS: Galloway tears them to shreds
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 19 May 05 - 04:45 AM

It's been on Radio4, and I nearly stood on the dog in the rush for the 'OFF' switch.
Giok ¦¬]


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Subject: RE: BS: Galloway tears them to shreds
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 19 May 05 - 04:42 AM

they did a very nice on cassette version of his Benn's diaries - the years of power - sounds like a great christmas present for Giok


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Subject: RE: BS: Galloway tears them to shreds
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 19 May 05 - 04:33 AM

Not Tony Benn please not the boring Benn!!
G..


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