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BS: Galloway tears them to shreds

ard mhacha 17 May 05 - 12:35 PM
GUEST,Giok 17 May 05 - 12:41 PM
Bunnahabhain 17 May 05 - 12:56 PM
DougR 17 May 05 - 01:25 PM
Folkiedave 17 May 05 - 01:38 PM
akenaton 17 May 05 - 02:15 PM
greg stephens 17 May 05 - 02:16 PM
Ebbie 17 May 05 - 02:28 PM
greg stephens 17 May 05 - 02:34 PM
Folkiedave 17 May 05 - 02:44 PM
GUEST, Ebbie 17 May 05 - 02:49 PM
McGrath of Harlow 17 May 05 - 03:36 PM
Peace 17 May 05 - 07:24 PM
McGrath of Harlow 17 May 05 - 07:42 PM
Peace 17 May 05 - 08:48 PM
Peace 17 May 05 - 08:49 PM
GUEST, Ebbie 17 May 05 - 09:42 PM
GUEST 17 May 05 - 10:07 PM
GUEST,CarolC 17 May 05 - 10:09 PM
GUEST 17 May 05 - 10:48 PM
GUEST,brucie 17 May 05 - 10:49 PM
GUEST,Bill D 17 May 05 - 10:54 PM
GUEST,CarolC 17 May 05 - 11:28 PM
Shanghaiceltic 18 May 05 - 12:26 AM
Big Al Whittle 18 May 05 - 01:03 AM
ard mhacha 18 May 05 - 01:32 AM
GUEST,Blissfully Ignorant 18 May 05 - 01:39 AM
GUEST,Piers 18 May 05 - 03:30 AM
GUEST,Dave the Gnome in the back door! 18 May 05 - 04:25 AM
John MacKenzie 18 May 05 - 04:37 AM
Richard Bridge 18 May 05 - 04:47 AM
Nigel Parsons 18 May 05 - 04:58 AM
Folkiedave 18 May 05 - 05:10 AM
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GUEST,Robbie Wilson 18 May 05 - 06:41 AM
greg stephens 18 May 05 - 06:56 AM
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Subject: BS: Galloway tears them to shreds
From: ard mhacha
Date: 17 May 05 - 12:35 PM

George Galloway appearing before the US Senate Committee made Coleman and Levin look like two men who were sorry they ever accused him of profiting from the Saddam regime.

It was fascinating to watch Galloway tearing apart all of the "evidence" provided by the Committee, at one stage I thought Coleman had disappeared under the table as Galloway lashed into him, he seemed to be lost for words as Galloway stoutly defended his role in the food for oil programme.

Fair play to you George you came out of this a winner, great TV.


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Subject: RE: BS: Galloway tears them to shreds
From: GUEST,Giok
Date: 17 May 05 - 12:41 PM

He's a good orator right enough, even when he talks crap he makes it sound good, he's still a self seeking wanker though.
Giok


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Subject: RE: BS: Galloway tears them to shreds
From: Bunnahabhain
Date: 17 May 05 - 12:56 PM

Mr George Galloway stood before Saddam Hussein and said:

'Your Excellency, Mr President. I greet you in the name of the many thousands of people in Britain who stood against the tide and opposed the war and aggression against Iraq and continue to oppose the war by economic means which is aimed to strangle the life out of the great people of Iraq. "I greet you too, in the name of the Palestinian people…..I thought the President would appreciate to know that even today, three years after the war, I still meet families who are calling their newborn sons Saddam…Sir, I salute your courage, your strength your indefatigability. And I want you to know that we are with you until victory, until victory until Jerusalem."

The Times, 20th January, 1994

At the time, the estimated death toll for wars started by Saddam, and the repression of his own people, was just over 1 million people.

Just in case any Americans wonderered what they were dealing with in Galloway....


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Subject: RE: BS: Galloway tears them to shreds
From: DougR
Date: 17 May 05 - 01:25 PM

I watched the hearings. He puts on a good show but it's all smoke and mirrors I think. He did nothing to disprove his connection to the Oil for Food program, primarily he ranted and raved about the same things the lefties on the Mudcat rant and rave about. Perhaps some of you Mudcat admirers should bestow upon Sir George an honorary membership in the Mudcat! With Max's approval of course. :>)

DougR

By the way, this is the second thread about Sir George.


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Subject: RE: BS: Galloway tears them to shreds
From: Folkiedave
Date: 17 May 05 - 01:38 PM

Well, America said Saddam had weapons of mass destruction, Galloway said they didn't.

America said that the fall of Bagdhad was the end of the war - Galloway said it was just the beginning.

America said that the people of Iraq would greet the invasion of Iraq with open arms - Galloway said they wouldn't.

Galloway pointed out that the people who really benefitted from the oil for food programme were largely American companies. (try Bayoil). The biggest contributor to his charity was the King of Saudia Arabia and one of the Emirs, they are friends of America so they don't get much of a mention.

Americans torture and ignore human rights. (Guantanomo). Americans invaded a Commonwealth country (Grenada). Americans dropped chemical weapons on Vietnam. Americans overthrew an elected regime in Chile and handed it over to a mass murderer and who killed and tortured people.
Americans sold arms to Saddam.......etc. etc. etc. etc.

Just so George knows what he is dealing with as far as Americans are concerned. But I suspect he did.

The fact is that the Committee had no evidence and had they dared repeat the allegations outside privilege they would have lost every penny they collectively owned. George has become rich sueing and winning.

Dave


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Subject: RE: BS: Galloway tears them to shreds
From: akenaton
Date: 17 May 05 - 02:15 PM

Bunnahabhain.... I'v said this before and I'll say it again, George Galloway was speaking out against the Saddam regime while America and Britain were supporting him and providing him with weapons.

He could never hope to have any effect on the regime by calling Saddam a murderous bastard, which he obviously was.
George is nothing if not a pragmatist, and foremost in his mind was the death being caused by the sanctions regime.

Simply parroting the old tired cliche of George addressing Saddam without any illumination as to his motives is disingenuous, and in the words of our own acknowledged expert Giok, you sir are a wanker...ake


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Subject: RE: BS: Galloway tears them to shreds
From: greg stephens
Date: 17 May 05 - 02:16 PM

A remarkable performance by George Galloway, extraordinary and powerful under very probing interrogation. Would I buy a barrel of used oil from this man? You bet your life I wouldn't.


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Subject: RE: BS: Galloway tears them to shreds
From: Ebbie
Date: 17 May 05 - 02:28 PM

Would someone clarify this, please. Bunnahabhein quotes The Times in January 2004 as reporting that Galloway "stood before Saddam Hussein". What is the date of this meeting? Saddam was allegedly captured in December 2003.

If this speech was before the war, the US has said things to Saddam very similar to that. I suspect Galloway's speech was made during/after Gulf War #1.


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Subject: RE: BS: Galloway tears them to shreds
From: greg stephens
Date: 17 May 05 - 02:34 PM

Ebbie: it says January 1994 in Bunnahabhein's post, I think.


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Subject: RE: BS: Galloway tears them to shreds
From: Folkiedave
Date: 17 May 05 - 02:44 PM

Listening on the radio I assumed that all the members of the committee would be there to hear George's answers and indeed question him.

I now hear that of the members of the committee only two of them were brave enough to turn up to question George Galloway.

Nice one Senators. That's democracy - put your name to a series of serious allegations about someone and then when he flies across the Atlantic to answer them you fail to appear. I wonder of any of them had a background from the legal profession!!

Dave


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Subject: RE: BS: Galloway tears them to shreds
From: GUEST, Ebbie
Date: 17 May 05 - 02:49 PM

Greg S, you are so right! blush

(But at least my assumption was correct. *G* And the fact remains that not long before that, the US officially enthused over Saddam.)


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Subject: RE: BS: Galloway tears them to shreds
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 17 May 05 - 03:36 PM

Another example of the truth that people generally hear what they come prepared to hear.

I gather there is absolute immunity from any kind of libel suit for Senate Committees, as there is for Parliament in the UK, and that covers rerprinting allegations. The interesting thing will be whether any of the Senators care to step outside and make the same allegations, because that would not be covered by that immunity.

I rather think the answer is "No way".


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Subject: RE: BS: Galloway tears them to shreds
From: Peace
Date: 17 May 05 - 07:24 PM

News as of a few hours ago.

Gawd, I love the Scots.


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Subject: RE: BS: Galloway tears them to shreds
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 17 May 05 - 07:42 PM

Galloway takes on US oil accusers

This page has a link to "BBC NEWS:VIDEO AND AUDIO
Watch highlights from George Galloway's Senate testimony"


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Subject: RE: BS: Galloway tears them to shreds
From: Peace
Date: 17 May 05 - 08:48 PM

Thank you for the sound clip, McG of H.

I once got my ass chewed out by a Regimental Sergeant Major for about 30-45 seconds. It was the most uncomfortable feeling I have ever had. It was nothing compared to what I just heard. Why doesn't the US Senate find a hole and crawl into it? Or maybe more importantly, why doesn't the US Senate grow balls and deal with the fact that the country they represent has been lied to and subverted by a gang of liars?

Bruce Murdoch

PS Remind me never to argue with Mr Galloway.


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Subject: RE: BS: Galloway tears them to shreds
From: Peace
Date: 17 May 05 - 08:49 PM

Thanks for the thread, ard.


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Subject: RE: BS: Galloway tears them to shreds
From: GUEST, Ebbie
Date: 17 May 05 - 09:42 PM

Wonder if he made the Senators wince? (From the link)

"Mr Galloway said he had met Saddam Hussein on two occasions - the same number of times as US Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld.

"The difference is Donald Rumsfeld met him to sell him guns and maps - the better to target those guns. I met him to try to bring about an end to sanctions, suffering and war," he said.


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Subject: RE: BS: Galloway tears them to shreds
From: GUEST
Date: 17 May 05 - 10:07 PM

Galloway was superb. The first person to tell it like it is in the lion's den. A bravura performance that the Democrats should study over and over again. If they could find an American Galloway then Bush and the neo cons would be toast!


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Subject: RE: BS: Galloway tears them to shreds
From: GUEST,CarolC
Date: 17 May 05 - 10:09 PM

I listened to as much of it as I could, but those two questioners were just sooooooo slimey. I had to stop.

They remind me of the attorney who attempted to prove in court that I was a Witch, using as evidence the fact that I had once read the book, The Witches (by Roald Dahl), to my son.


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Subject: RE: BS: Galloway tears them to shreds
From: GUEST
Date: 17 May 05 - 10:48 PM

Well, that would likely have led to "James and the Giant Peach" or worse. Have to be careful with people like you.


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Subject: RE: BS: Galloway tears them to shreds
From: GUEST,brucie
Date: 17 May 05 - 10:49 PM

Dang. The 10:48 PM post was me.


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Subject: RE: BS: Galloway tears them to shreds
From: GUEST,Bill D
Date: 17 May 05 - 10:54 PM

I agree with greg stephens...Galloway defended his 'position' with vigor and aplomb and he made several telling points...and no doubt spoke the 'literal' truth....but it is NOT clear yet whether he, in fact, was a partner in a deal for Iraqi oil, and whether his company and thus, causes he supports, made money from slightly illegal dealings.

Nonetheless, he showed that many UK politicians have learned the art of speaking and debate a lot better than most of our Senators! (I do wonder how he'd have fared against Senator Byrd of W. VA., a stentorian speaker from the old school!)


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Subject: RE: BS: Galloway tears them to shreds
From: GUEST,CarolC
Date: 17 May 05 - 11:28 PM

Bill, he said that his charity had been investigated by some part of the government in the UK (all monies in and all monies out, is how he put it), and was found to be completely innocent of any wrongdoing. Maybe someone in the UK will set me straight if there is something I don't know about that that I should. But he seemed to answer the question pretty completely.


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Subject: RE: BS: Galloway tears them to shreds
From: Shanghaiceltic
Date: 18 May 05 - 12:26 AM

Here's three links to some latest reports. Georgous George is well known for his support of both Saddam and Gadaffi over the years. Can't say I like the man but it is good articulate entertainment. Good point is that it does not clear up the questions of where the money went.


Showdown

Machine Gun George

Insults fly


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Subject: RE: BS: Galloway tears them to shreds
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 18 May 05 - 01:03 AM

Really its the stuff of movies - the contrasting styles of argument - the man riding into town to clear his reputation - the apparent Greyfriars Bobby style probity which he insists he has.

Oliver North was a bit like that. Sort of Honest Olly - you can trust me. I guess some people will, whilst others....


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Subject: RE: BS: Galloway tears them to shreds
From: ard mhacha
Date: 18 May 05 - 01:32 AM

Headline of the day, "Galloway brays as he kicks US asses", the geographical hint won`t be lost on our UK and Irish folk.


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Subject: RE: BS: Galloway tears them to shreds
From: GUEST,Blissfully Ignorant
Date: 18 May 05 - 01:39 AM

The man's certainly got a pair, you gotta give him that...


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Subject: RE: BS: Galloway tears them to shreds
From: GUEST,Piers
Date: 18 May 05 - 03:30 AM

http://www.gnn.gov.uk/environment/detail.asp?ReleaseID=156759&NewsAreaID=2&NavigatedFromDepartment=True

Charity Commission Statement in response to George Galloway's evidence to US Senate Sub-Committee 17 May 05

Although we have not yet seen a transcript of Mr Galloway's evidence to the US Senate Sub-Committee today, we understand that his comments included the following:

1) The Mariam Appeal, founded by Mr Galloway, was subject to a Charity Commission investigation in which all money in and all money out of the Mariam account was looked at and no impropriety was found.

2) The Charity Commission investigation into the Mariam Appeal found no donation from any oil company.

The Charity Commission would like to restate a number of points of fact regarding its inquiry.

The Mariam Appeal was established in 1998. The Charity Commission opened an investigation into the Appeal in 2003, after we received a complaint that was presented to the Attorney General in response to a newspaper article.

By 2003, the Appeal had been closed and the books and records had been sent to Jordan in 2001 where the then Chairman of the Appeal, Mr Fawaz Zuriekat resided; the Commission was therefore unable to review them. Our inquiry therefore had to rely on details we were able to obtain from the Appeal's bank accounts.

The Appeal did not produce annual income and expenditure accounts or balance sheets.

While we were able to review income and expenditure from the bank statements of the Appeal, which we had to obtain using our legal powers direct from banks, we were not able to verify all aspects of expenditure because of the lack of proper documentation. However, we found no evidence that the funds of the Appeal were misapplied (other than the payment of some unauthorised benefits to trustees which were made in good faith).

We did not undertake a detailed review of sources of income to the Appeal because the original concern prompting our inquiry was about the use to which funds had been put. Our inquiry did not find evidence of donations direct from oil companies but noted that one of the major funders of the Appeal was Fawaz Zuriekat, an individual named on 12 May 2005 by the US Senate Sub-Committee as allegedly connected with payments in relation to allocations of oil under the Iraq Oil for Food Programme. We have no evidence to show that the income received by the Fund from Mr Zuriekat came from an improper source.

But had the recent allegations been known to us at the time of our inquiry, we would have made the information available to the appropriate UK authorities for them to decide whether the Mariam Appeal had received funds from an illegal source.

Ends.


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Subject: RE: BS: Galloway tears them to shreds
From: GUEST,Dave the Gnome in the back door!
Date: 18 May 05 - 04:25 AM

Careful, Bill D! ...and whether his company and thus, causes he supports, made money from slightly illegal dealings

Mr G put it far more forcefuly and eloquently than I ever could but, in a nutshell, he does not have and never had has a company other than a minor holding company he uses for the money earned by his writing. That one has never earned any money from anything other than his literary work. This is verifiable and undisputable. It is points like that that made the senators wince and, I guess, wish they had never listened to heresay let alone report it as fact!

I first heard George on the radio rallying against armed intervention and he knocked his protagonists into a cocked hat then. He was very clearly as much against Sadam Hussein as he was against the war and when one of the other contenders tried to label him as a lover of Sadam and his works he wiped the floor with him!

Much as I dislike politicians of all ilks at least Mr Galloway does give a straight answer with a power of conviction unseen in most of the wimps in government! He also provides an exceedingly good line in entertaining argument:-)

Cheers

Dave the Gnome


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Subject: RE: BS: Galloway tears them to shreds
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 18 May 05 - 04:37 AM

Yes he's good for a laugh, and a master of cogent vituperation, but is he representing his constituents, which is what he's being paid to do?
Giok


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Subject: RE: BS: Galloway tears them to shreds
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 18 May 05 - 04:47 AM

I don't trust anyone who dresses like Galloway - but you have to admire his ability.


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Subject: RE: BS: Galloway tears them to shreds
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 18 May 05 - 04:58 AM

Giok:
He's protecting his own reputation, which appears to have been unfairly smeared.
Unless you are T.Blair, or D.Blunkett it is very difficult to represent your constituency well with your reputation in tatters

Nigel


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Subject: RE: BS: Galloway tears them to shreds
From: Folkiedave
Date: 18 May 05 - 05:10 AM

To Giok,

What he was doing was trying to answer a libel against him done under the cloak of privilege. He couldn't sue as he has done before in the case of the Telegraph, or in the case of the Christian Science Monitor take an undisclosed sume as damages. He did it whilst Parliament was (more or less) shut.

As far as his constituents are concerned, the BBC interviewed an number of them on radio last night and they seemed delighted. But that isn't particularly scientific.

How George ranks as a constituency MP was and will be hard to work out. No matter how good MPs are in dealing with their constituents and this work is unsung, they are still generally vulnerable to national swings, so election results are nothing to go by. At the most, psephologists reckon a personal vote is worth about 500 votes.

Certainly as an MP for Kelvinside he didn't spend much time in Parliament asking questions and making speeches. But neither did many of them!!

See: http://www.theyworkforyou.com/

Best regards,

Dave


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Subject: RE: BS: Galloway tears them to shreds
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 18 May 05 - 05:11 AM

Or your country for that matter, eg P Mandelson!!
G..


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Subject: RE: BS: Galloway tears them to shreds
From: GUEST
Date: 18 May 05 - 06:12 AM

Giok, you are unbelieveble. I had to check the date of your post but sure enough May 10 , 5 days after his constituents elected him on a platform of standing up to the liars who took us to war.

It wasn't up to Galloway to make any case; he was being slandered from behind the shield of legal imunity by people who state "evidence" which supports the US goverment as fact, despite the fact that it is not backed up by any actual traces of money and that it is supposedly obtained from a prisoner under secret interogation and with no legal scrutiny whatsoever. Yet have the temerity to write off the testimony of someone who appears in person, open to challenge and having been the subject of sustained investigation for years as not credible.


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Subject: RE: BS: Galloway tears them to shreds
From: GUEST,Robbie Wilson
Date: 18 May 05 - 06:41 AM


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Subject: RE: BS: Galloway tears them to shreds
From: greg stephens
Date: 18 May 05 - 06:56 AM

The stunning thing about GG's performance was the way he was able to give the impression of being honest, eloquent and indignant about others' misdeeds, while being incredibly legalistically careful in what he did and didn't say. His very precise use of words made it totally clear to me that he was making some very carefully prepared pseudo-indignant remarks which had the effect of totally smoke-screening the actual issues he was being asked about(and he did that very successfully, judging by the admiring posts on these threads).
    I'm sure the casual listener to his statements to the committee would go away with a fixed impression that his charity's accounts had been fully investigated and found 100% pure. Yet the fact is the investigators weren't even able to get a look at the accounts, which have vanished. All they saw was some bare bank account details, which they got a court order to look at. Yet the eloquently indignant George made it sound as if the accounts had been examined and passed as perfect: a look at the transcript of precisely what he said on this subject shows just what a master he is of coolness under fire. A plausible and nauseating rogue, but with a certain charm, of course.


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Subject: RE: BS: Galloway tears them to shreds
From: GUEST,robomatic
Date: 18 May 05 - 07:14 AM

He was fun to watch, he appeared to be a competent BS artist of a kind not usually seen in Washington. The segments of his 'testimony' which were aired were of course the most photogenic, so whether or not anything real was arrived at wasn't obvious.


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Subject: RE: BS: Galloway tears them to shreds
From: greg stephens
Date: 18 May 05 - 07:23 AM

The interesting thing about these posts, and news reports generally, is the great impression GG seems to have made in the USA(among Democrats, anyway). As if he's something kind of secial. Don't you have glib, smarmy, expensive-suited politicians of your own in America? Or is the Scottish accent still worshipped as a sign of honesty?


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Subject: RE: BS: Galloway tears them to shreds
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 18 May 05 - 07:55 AM

Dear guest May 10th I was in Normandy France and unable to post as I was in my motorhome. Please state your reference point.
G...


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Subject: RE: BS: Galloway tears them to shreds
From: Alba
Date: 18 May 05 - 08:04 AM

No Greg they don't.
As to "among Democrats" well GG didn't exactly make statements that were favourable to the republican agenda!
It's hard to swallow (for some Republicans) being told the things that GG said, even in soundbyte form, as reported in the press.
In fact I was suprised myself that it got so little coverage last night by what is constantly called the "Liberal Media" here...!! no that's not true...I wasn't surprised at all.

This kind of no messing, tell it how you really see it....shooting from the lip, what I would be inclined to describe as Glasgow style delivery hasn't been around really in American Politics, (if ever?) its subtler here..kind of....I don't know quite how to describe it...and that style is from both sides not just republicans or democrats... it appears thatneither want to be quoted too much without a lot of thinking before the shoot a remark. They care that the media will be all over like a rash...kind of like not wanting to shit on your own doorstep. GG was a long way from his front door.

The Scottish approach to the English Language (I make this remark respectfully, it is an accent issue) when used with Force can indeed make some sit up and take notice....I was grateful that GG didn't slip a few F*** off's in there...now if he had addressed them in pure Glaswegian...oh dear...

Personally I thought GG made a good number of points about issues that really no one has wanted to say out loud or if they did the public didn't get to hear it.
It was a, if a tad theatrical, direct and no holds barred attack against two of the few that has accussed GG of wrongdoing.
Perhaps the others knew what would happen when you bring a Politician from another Country into your political arena and stayed away in anticipation of that.

Did GG profit from the Oil for Food programme??
I don't know...that remains to be seen.
I can say this....IF and I repeat IF he did, he may be one name on a list of many who did....
As to GG creating a smokescreen, well there is a lot of that about in Politics right now.
Let me just say the words "Newsweek magazine Article" now there's a smokescreen if I ever saw one...but a smokescreen doesn't make for good Curtains....you can see right through it.
As for George Galloway's remarks...I liked it, it had balls....but then I could be being a wee bit bias there masel...:>)
Jude


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Subject: RE: BS: Galloway tears them to shreds
From: GUEST,Liz the Squeak
Date: 18 May 05 - 08:43 AM

Well if the man can rip Jeremy 'Pitbull' Paxman to shreds, then he can certainly take on the Senate!

LTS


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Subject: RE: BS: Galloway tears them to shreds
From: GUEST,DtG bout bickie again
Date: 18 May 05 - 09:18 AM

his charity's accounts

This is one of the things I don't understand. It is NOT his charity. It is a charity he helped set up to aid an Iraqi girl with leukemia. If - and it is a big if indeed - the charity is guilty of any wrongdoing how is that connected with George? May as well blame the poor girl herself! I have said before I am no fan of any politician so I have no axe to grind against or on behalf of Mr G. but the way these things have been reported is ludicrous.

As far as I can see the bigger issue is the 'oil vouchers' accusation but even there I cannot see any wrongdoing by Galloway. If, and again the if is huge, Saddams regime did allocate anything to Galloway then what is the problem provided that George did not take them up on their 'generous offer'. The fact he did not use any such vouchers, even if they were issued, does not seem to be in dispute by anyone.

As far as I can see the only crime he is guilty of is backing the loosing side! Good luck to him and may he long continue to be a thorn in the side of the establishment:-)

Cheers

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Galloway tears them to shreds
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 18 May 05 - 09:52 AM

DtG,

the link between GG and the charity is that he was the founding chairman; we can't say that he is not connected with it.

He acquitted himself well, and gave back better than he got. Many of us, me included, had a satisfying little titter watching his testimony and especially observing the faces of some of the journalists behind him. Good for him!

But as Greg Stephens says, there is definitely a little bit of smoke there; his carefully orchestrated responses to a couple of the more stupid questions appeared to be hiding more than they were giving away. But the related questions were stupid indeed. "Would you be dismayed if your best friend had received kickbacks in using the oil-for-food programme" indeed! What kind of a question is this! Hypothetical, and aiming at little more than to make him appear sympathetic towards wrong-doers...


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Subject: RE: BS: Galloway tears them to shreds
From: GUEST,brucie
Date: 18 May 05 - 10:19 AM

Mr Galloway made the US Senate look like garbage. The US Senate needs to do some investigation, that is for sure. It would do well to begin with Halliburton and the President. But hey, uh, like, uh, well, uh, well you see, uh . . . . Fuckin' filthy shit they are.


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Subject: RE: BS: Galloway tears them to shreds
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 18 May 05 - 11:15 AM

I agree we cannot say he is not connected with it EG - I did say he helped set it up. What I do find absurd, and I was not clear enough in this point, is the implication that because he was connected he must know of any wrongdoing and be guilty by implication. Does that make everyone connected with it guilty? As I said - we may as well blame the poor lass herself. She was, after all, the whole reason for the charity being there. On top of the fact that nothing was found to prove the charity did anything wrong there does seem to be a lot of justification for him attacking the senate comittee as he did.

I am cynical enough to realise that just because there is no proof does not mean the charity is innocent but until such proof arises what right do the US senate have to state quite categoricaly that both Mr Galloway and the charity are guilty? That should remain in the realm of the tabloid press shouldn't it? Where, as Mr Galloway has proved before, he would at least have recourse to answer the defamation in an independant court of law.

As to the 'bit smokey' comment. Yes, agreed again. I am well aware of the ploys and deceipts of politicians and it does look like Mr G sailed close to the wind on more than one occasion. As we all know there IS somethimes smoke without fire. And at times that smoke drifts across from the acusers themselves.

Cheers

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Galloway tears them to shreds
From: akenaton
Date: 18 May 05 - 11:55 AM

Well said Mr Gnome


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Subject: RE: BS: Galloway tears them to shreds
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 18 May 05 - 12:04 PM

lotta stuff going on here, let's see what happens...am i the only one for whom it all has a feeling of unreality? a little bit crazy shall we say....?


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Subject: RE: BS: Galloway tears them to shreds
From: akenaton
Date: 18 May 05 - 12:20 PM

All the conservatives get a feeling of "unreality " when George hammers home the unpalatable truth.

The senators faces were a picture when it began to dawn on them what they were tackling in George Galloway MP.

The main accusation made before Galloways' appearance, was that he had benefitted personally and financially from Iraqi oil deals.

The senators did not even try to make a case for this point.

George is a formidable opponent and in the UK he's won more battles than Ghengis Khan.
I agree with Dave and Alba, I dislike all politicians, but fortune favours the brave...Ake


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Subject: RE: BS: Galloway tears them to shreds
From: RobbieWilson
Date: 18 May 05 - 12:24 PM

Politicians friends making money from dealing with Iraq,
now let me think.















Politicians receiving donations from oil traders
now let me think.




























Seems quite likely but I'm not sure Galloway is the right man for the job.


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